Steve Wozniak: How Steve Jobs would react if he could see Apple today

the co-founder of Apple is here at go to Copenhagen mr. Wozniak it's a pleasure to have you here you just met with a big group from the Danish tech scene what was your impression well I was actually I actually knew that they were basically largely from programmers and that the like so I was just trying to make my answers in ways that would fit the audience look like the audience was attentive and appreciating and and and again what's your advice for for the Danish sex scene what's what what do you think is key to getting a good you know tech environment here and a good tech startup scene here mmm I think it all starts in elementary school when you're very young because by the time you're about 20 years old your personality is settling in for life are you going to be an inventor a creative person going after new things or are you just going to be trying to look for jobs and ask questions where's the money how can I have a position that controls things you know it's it's that sort of thing and you want to see more creativity so you really want people growing up with this idea of I don't know you're not trained and the answers are all in books the answers are all your own and what you find out explore and innovate and find new ways you are watching technology obviously you know you saw a trend back when you found it Apple when you when you look at technology now what do you think is the most important thing that's that's happening in the world right now the world of technology who a lot of what you used to own as a product you cannot own anymore for example you have a phone and there might be a hundred thousand people that roat's bits of the code that make it work no one person can analyze one product and understand what it is when I was young almost everything you bought even a car you could kind of know every component in it and how it worked and why it worked and what it did also um that was you know so in the old days you own things but now we're going to a subscription market almost everybody who starts a company wants to be a unicorn and the only way to be a unicorn isn't to sell product it's to entrap you and have you subscribing and a regular customer and build up a database and really kind of entrap you into their ways habits don't go away and I think that's a large part of the tech scene today it's it's not so much oh can I do something totally new that's never been done only what value does it have how can I you know make money off of it and at what technology that you see right now it does have has or will have the biggest impact on the world we we live in well a lot of technology I can't predict some of these things because they're so new the ones that would have the biggest impact you're always uncertain of or every single person would know it we'd all read the same books in the same articles quantum computing is one of those variables it could be huge or it could be you know meaningless for really things that matter and make a difference artificial intelligence is just the application of computers today it should not be called intelligence it isn't it isn't going to get there it isn't even close we haven't even thought about making it as smart as the brain of an ant we've never thought about building a computer that would say what should i do today you see that's the difference with the inter the intuition of a human brain that we really haven't gotten close to as far as what I do see evolving and being important I think more and more robotics and I'm hoping they get more personal right now we have personal assistants that you can talk to and ask questions and that's brain stuff but there's a lot of things around your house that you know Roomba is a good example of a device it actually does some work in the house for you I'd like a Roomba that sits washing my car every night in the garage or in the driveway just washes it all night long one centimeter at a time very slowly steps but it gets it done by the morning all on its own I'd like things that maybe wash my dishes I can just shove them into one one Bowl and it can sit there a little robot that picks them up and doesn't damage them think about a child think about yourself how you learned to hold things and not damage them you went through a whole learning experience as a human being and we haven't talked about robots doing that taking the step in artificial intelligence someday way off in the future maybe we'll actually start approaching it as a learning the same way with long time frames the same way humans learn to do everything like walk and balance even it doesn't come doesn't come as quickly as we want to even the humanoid robots to this day are very slow does it sounds like you don't believe a I will impact the world as much as other people may think I'm not sure what everyone thinks but I think they prefer go to the intelligence side that it's actually doing thinking like a human brain and nothing is shown to be even close to that and the like self-driving cars the situations that come up just emerging lame and the dumbest human being in the world can maybe see something up in advance and a chart adapting to it and none of this artificial intelligence is is close to that and really gonna be able to solve the ones that are unknown I know a few that I've seen but then I keep seeing more and more my wife and I Drive a lot and sure 99% of our drive is free and nothing happening in artificial intelligence works self-driving works fine I'm not gonna call it artificial intelligence it's not intelligence it's just the extreme end of what computers can do so where if you were to found a company today what would that company do Wow I think it would be building Internet of Things small little devices new ones that don't exist yet I try to think yeah I think you're very strange idea is something I could have for myself that doesn't exist that I couldn't buy and the reason is is I always avoided doing what other people were doing I was very shy and I didn't want to compete head-on and then we're both coming out of the same engineering books and you're gonna do the same as me and if you got more money and more big company you're gonna be not I want to go off and do very unusual things even if they don't have any money value to people or to come to starting a company but they're just fun to do I would still want to be doing that and writing programs that solve little games and puzzles in life abble has become a massive company one of the biggest in the world a lot of people are investing in it a lot of people here in Denmark as well interact with their products invest in Apple what do you think of Apple when you look at it today what do you think of the position Apple is in today well Apple is good and flexible we were flexible in our earliest days we started out with a game machine and discovered sort of early on with a spreadsheet program these small computers can do things the big mainframes can't that's where the big money is in the market and we diverted off into a lot more of the business type stuff and eventually over time we saw that the mouse based computer that sees the world in two dimensions the screen in two dimensions and a lot of humanist features call a screen a desktop something familiar to humans have a little icon that looks like a paintbrush and it paints that was a step that we saw and we took all these steps were like they involved a lot of different user interface methods you know the mouse and then the touchscreens on the iPhone and all that and and so we've always been adapting to where we see the future heading right now we've gotten into a lot of financial stuff it all started with touch ID using your fingerprint instead of having to type passwords for a phone and sure enough every other major phone manufacturer in the world followed apples lead but apples leave them let it have the first phone that you could actually use to tap and pay for things that's called Apple pay Google phones could do that before but you had to buy one of two Google phones in the world I did because I experiment a lot self experimentations what my life's about and you had then you had to turn the phone on type the unlock code of the phone then you had to run an app fine and run app and run at Google Wallet or whatever it was called them and then you had to type in the PIN number for a credit card and then you could tap and pay wait a minute what's wrong with that scenario a credit cards faster Apple came up with one you don't even turn your phone on you hold it over the the the retail device and put your finger on to identify yourself and you're done you know it's like those kind of thinking's how do we make life very easy and simple for things that people do every day all the time and make people feel happy with what they've got so do you feel confident that Apple can stay ahead of its competitors I think apples going into new markets now and especially Apple pay and the Apple credit card and that would an incredible thing for his company is huge as Apple come with a credit card that really has decent features okay it's not the extreme you know highest cashback in the world but it works so nicely and and I think I think that Apple is seeing a lot of its services taking over Apple TV I've only um had time I've been I've been very busy I've only had time to watch one show so far the the morning show and I really like it that's good and I don't have to i watch stranger things on netflix i don't watch too many of these new ones I don't watch television so that's why I don't see too much but I'm very happy that Apple's on the right track to what people want Steve fair another tech companies say that the most important thing in staying staying ahead is getting the right people for instance engineer instant engineers how do companies tech companies and others attract the right talent what would make you join a company to today what what would the company need to attract talent like yourself yeah if I like the company for its products or how they were already a part of my life I would want to be in on that company if I already appreciate the company and I don't know where it comes from so I can't give you a direct formula companies approach like let's say University students and say would you come work for us next year and we have all these perks and perks and perks and perks and perks I I think that's that's effective and it works but it's not the way I would go about something and and I had a good friend from Mexico and I actually believe in Ron if he was in a country that couldn't appreciate his brain and didn't have the university resources for computer stuff this was decades ago and I actually pay for his education London came to the United States and right away Microsoft started offering him you know million dollars in a home and all this stuff and he he said no that why did they were they offering so much money there's something wrong when that's how it's being done and just went to work for some little startup that was working on the the first avatars back when the internet was slow and dial-up and and online services he did something that was like for the goody man you might have working for other major operations like Yahoo and and Facebook but I like the the integrity integrity is a big thing you know I'm gonna work for somebody who's doing something really new that's gonna benefit society not who's paying me the most and Steve Wozniak you you mentioned to your former partner Steve Jobs a bunch of times today you mentioned your lifelong your friendship with him until his passing I know it's a big question but if he was around today just for one day and he saw what Apple is now what do you think how would you think he would react I think have his own has something done by someone else he preferred do it himself but it would be better for the world and he would and he would be it would he be glad to see what Apple has become today Asst as you see it I believe he would I think he'd have maybe regrets that it didn't go in to some other things as well and was even bigger and if he were only there and been able to witness it but I think he'd be extremely happy I think he really if you Tim Cook talking about a story of the day that he met Steve Jobs and he said this is the company I have to work for it because of the way Steve Jobs thought and worked and and he carries that along with him where everywhere he goes why is Apple the best company I remember talking about values in life and religious values with Steve when we were very very young and wise Apple the one company that doesn't care about your gender and you know or if you're you're gay or trans or anything why is it the one company just doesn't pay attention to those things it's um absolutely right from the very top down you know and I'm glad and I think that's going to have a big influence on the rest of the world in the end you

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Length: 11min 50sec (710 seconds)

Published: Thu Nov 21 2019

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10:20 is where he answers the question in the title