TELL PROPUBLICA, TRUMP'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY BRAGGED ABOUT GETTING HIM FIRED WITH REPORTEDLY TELLING TRUMP, THIS GUY IS GOING TO GET YOU. THE FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK JOINS ME NOW. AN INTERESTING STUDY IN CONTRAST OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS. WHAT STRIKES YOU ABOUT THE REACTION? >> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE BIDEN FAMILY AND HOW JOE BIDEN IN PARTICULAR THINKS ABOUT HIS JOB AND NOT JUST HIS JOB, BUT HIS FAMILY. UPON A CONVICTION OR BEFORE THE CONVICTION, THE ARREST AND INDICTMENT OF HIS SON, GIVEN WHAT HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN THROUGH, YOU WOULD THINK EVERY FATHERLY INSTINCT WOULD'VE BEEN TO PROTECT HIM. IF YOU ARE A FATHER, AND I KNOW YOU ARE, YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN MORE THAN YOU LOVE YOURSELF. YOU TRY TO PROTECT THEM FROM HARM AND YOU TRY TO PROTECT THEM FROM BAD CONSEQUENCES. THE BIDEN FAMILY HAS SUFFERED LOTS OF BAD THINGS AS A FAMILY AND YET THERE ARE SOME THINGS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT WHEN YOU ARE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND BASICALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW AND THE RULE OF LAW MATTERS. HERE IS AN OCCASION AS YOU WERE PLAYING OUT IN THE INTRO, WHERE JOE BIDEN HAD ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY. LITERAL AUTHORITY. HE HAD NO AUTHORITY OVER ROBIN BRAGG AND DID NOT DIRECT THE PROSECUTION OF DONALD TRUMP. IT IS HIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. HE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT PEOPLE NOT TO PROSECUTE HIS SON. HE COULD HAVE FIRED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. HE COULD HAVE DIRECTED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL NOT BE APPOINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. HE COULD HAVE PARDONED HIS SON PREEMPTIVELY. ALL OF THAT CONDUCT, GIVEN THAT IT IS HIS SON, IT KIND OF MAKES YOU PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT TON -- ABOUT HOW UNBELIEVABLE THAT IS. IN A MILLION YEARS, IF THE SHOE WERE ON THE OTHER FOOT AND DONALD TRUMP WAS FACING HIS SON BEING PROSECUTED, BY ME IF I HAD BEEN HELD OVER. A BIDEN HOLDOVER PROSECUTOR, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS WITH THAT HAVE HAPPENED. SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP, ARE TRYING TO CAST THIS AS SOME CLEVER PROGRAM BY WHICH THIS ACTUALLY PROVES THEY >> YES. I WILL SAY IT IS OUTLANDISH IMAGINING DON JUNIOR GETTING IN TROUBLE WITH GUNS AND DRUGS, BUT STEPHEN MILLER SAID THIS. THE GUN CHARGES ARE A MISDIRECTION AND AN EASY OPT TO SELL TO A QUIET MEDIA THAT IS ALSO WILLING TO BE DUPED. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING JOE BIDEN AND ONLY JOE BIDEN. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT, THE CORRUPT DEEP SYSTEM IS DEEPER THAN YOU REALIZED. >> IF EVERY POSSIBLE OUTCOME, EVERY POSSIBLE PERMUTATION IS ARGUABLY A POINT IN YOUR FAVOR, MAYBE YOUR POSITION IS TERRIBLE. I USED A DIFFERENT WORD THAN TERRIBLE. >> HONESTLY I DON'T EVEN THINK HE WAS REQUIRED TO KEEP DAVID WEISS ON IN DELAWARE. HONESTLY, WHEN I SAY BEND OVER BACKWARDS, THAT IS BENDING OVER -- IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO REPLACE HIM. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD NOT BE REASONABLE TO SAY WINK WINK, NAGY NUDGE. BUT IF YOU SAY DO YOUR THING. >> BY THE WAY SOME OTHER FEATURES ARE IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT AND YOU MENTIONED SOME IN THE INTRO. THE JURY VERDICT CAME OUT. THEY DID NOT DOX THE JURY OR ATTACK THE JUDGE. HE DID NOT SAY THIS IS A WITCH HUNT. HE SAID WHAT PEOPLE SAY. WHAT I USED TO SAY WHEN I WAS U.S. ATTORNEY FOR 7 1/2 YEARS. >> YOU WIN SOME AND YOU LOSE SOME. >> WE SAY WE RESPECT THE VERDICT OF THE JURY. COMPLETELY OPPOSITE TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID. >> IT WAS STRIKING. AFTER THAT TRUMP VERDICT, I REMEMBER JUDGE KAPLAN IN THE FEDERAL CIVIL TRIAL WITH E. JEAN CARROLL TOLD THE JURORS, LOOK, YOU CAN TALK TO THE PRESS IF YOU WANT. I WOULD ADVISE YOU NOT TO. IN ALVIN BRAGG'S CASE THEY DID NOT AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE REASON. THEY WOULD EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO HARASSMENT AND POSSIBLE THREATS AND VIOLENCE. HERE YOU HAD THE JURORS TALKING TO US, WHICH, GREAT, AM A REPORTER. I LIKE IT, BUT WHAT A CONTRAST. >> IT IS A VERY STARK CONTRAST AND I THINK IT GOES TO SHOW THAT WHEN JOE BIDEN AND HIS SUPPORTERS TALK ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW AND NOBODY BEING ABOVE THE LAW, THEY MEAN IT. YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH JOE BIDEN'S POLICIES AND TALK ABOUT THE BORDER AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN MY BAILIWICK, BUT ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE RULE OF LAW IS TO BE ENFORCED AND NO FAVOR GIVEN TO ANYONE, INCLUDING THE SON OF A SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE REPUBLICANS ARE FULL OF IT ON TRUMP SIDE AND BIDEN IS NOT. >> HE HAS WALKED THE WALK. MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU IS ABOUT INDEPENDENCE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. WE HAVE A POST MIX IN ORDER. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT NIXON AND THE RECKONING AT A LEVEL OF REGULATION, NORMS, AND THAT SCHUETZ WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CAN'T JUST BE A TOOL IN THE HANDS OF THE EXECUTIVE TO PURSUE VENDETTA TO PROSECUTE AND PUNISH ENEMIES TO PROTECT FRIENDS. THE TRUMP VISION IS EXACTLY THAT AND IN FACT, EXPLICITLY THAT. THEY REALLY THINK WE ARE GOING TO COME IN AND IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE DAY ONE, GO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION ON THAT PERSON, PROSECUTE THEM. >> WHAT THEY HAVE ACCUSED EVERYONE ELSE OF DOING. THERE IS A GREAT IRONY. ONE OF THE CASES PENDING AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, THE MAR-A-LAGO DOCUMENTS CASE IN FEDERAL COURT IN FLORIDA, DONALD TRUMP STEAM HAS MADE A NUMBER OF MOTIONS TO DISMISS THE INDICTMENT. ONE OF THOSE IS VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JOE BIDEN OR ANYONE ELSE DIRECTED THE INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION AND INDICTMENT. BY SAYING THE THINGS THEY ARE SAYING NOW THAT YOU ARE POINTING OUT, DONALD TRUMP IS IRONICALLY LAYING OUT THE FOUNDATION FOR A VINDICTIVE PROSECUTION MOTION TO DISMISS ON BEHALF OF ALL THE CURRENT PEOPLE DONALD TRUMP WILL BE GOING AFTER. HE IS ANNOUNCING HIS PLANS BEFORE ELECTION.
