Antique Marine Engine, You Wont Believe What Was Wrong

[Music] [Laughter] she's run smooth hey guys and how's it going I already did one video on this engine it's a 1910 roughly marine two-stroke roughly two horsepower there's a name on it right there and on the last video kinda went through trying to figure out how things operate on it got it running but didn't get it running great it would run we got fired up with a drill took a while to get it going and even with that it would only Rev real high you couldn't get it to idle down I did some homework on it and some of the people have to also make comments on that video a little bit better educated on it and hopefully in this one we can zero in more on its issues and get to run like it should because I have a project I would like to use it for if I can get it to calm down and do it's supposed to do so let me understand and we'll get into it alright so on this side we have a grease cap you can open this thing up and I got an education from online and from comments how stuff works I'm used to playing with engines that are 50 years old not a 110 and the way they operate is this side doesn't have seals down on the crank down here there's no seals that are in here it just uses grease to peel that off and if that is not sealed off it's going to throw the air fuel mix off allowing air to seep in so it's got a grease cap on this side and as you run the cap in it pressurizes from crushing down on it it pushes the grease into the crank so that side although has grease in is hooked up I don't see grease kind of losing its way out of there so I think that side is kind of dry and then this side is missing altogether it's just a port for it it's just a hole and there's no grease cap here at all so you could actually see the inside of the crank right there but there's no seal so this has been sucking air and blowing you know both it's probably drawing through and pushing out depending on what part of the stroke is and kind of screwing up the bottom end of the engine so we need to rectify that part of this before we go anywhere when on ebay and first I Ord that grease cap and it's just a picture and it says how many ounces it is it doesn't say like you know this thing is so many inches across I bought that one if you compare it to that one that's a no-no so I tried again and I think it was like two ounces or something I got this one this one is a little on the larger side of things but we could probably use either one but we're probably gonna go with this I actually have two of these so for worried about symmetry in the future we do have two and there's nothing saying I can't find another one of those brass ones but the brass ones seemed like they were like 50 bucks apiece and the steel ones here I think the both of these were like 18 bucks delivered all right we need to come up with some plumbing to make this go somewhere and be operational I have a feeling maybe somebody took the carburetor apart took that off of there and to spin the carb off it might have been in the way I'm not sure that but let's get to coming up some plumbing and move forward I grabbed this toolbox from home is loaded with different plumbing supply so we're gonna need something to thread in here and throw it down into that block I don't know if we're gonna be able to that might be too sharp of a turn I think we need some dimension and that might be good angle with that and we still need something maybe like that you see if that combination will be work force and I think that puts us in the realm of where we need to be mmm-hmm trying to eyeball the one next to it for the right angle you would think it would be like straight on but it's not Erica's okay roughly something like that and it looks like it's kind of out of harm's way huh hope we can get that elbow in there let me grab her some pliers we run that in it doesn't go in too far maybe we should run this one in make sure we don't just hit the crank looks like I don't work huh and they're supposed to use some like really heavy kind of grease I have what do I got blue I think blue is marine well pack it with that I made charge casing the correct stuff later on but for now I think we'll use that it should be enough to to make a seal filled up now let me go crank that stuff down and we'll start start packing her hey I got pyro flex and blue I guess is the name yeah a terrible amount nothing that candidate should be enough hopefully to get done what we needed to do I'm sure there's somebody who's filled this once before looking at me and wanting to comment so badly that I'm doing your own listen you'll bake a cake for the first time you know she'll probably load the cap up force it down get a good goober I wind up something else you've got a figure back then you have much of an option but I do think it's a specific grease if it's made for it we're gonna work with what we have because it's what we have get that air pocket fold all right let's see so you can get that started first and then I'm gonna go change gloves go change gloves reset key to get this booze out of down there how about uh gloves at all let me know you start seeing something we may have to might not be enough to get it tight when how far it is before you run out of threads you know it might just bottoming out on the threads were my I have a feeling we just filled up the tubing hit again I am threaded the whole thing and it's oozing out oh yeah regain my composure yeah I think I just pushed its way down and went to the point where it bottomed out on the threads we didn't get it fully load it up and get there this time will be good though hope so good being alone I can see why the advent of seals kind of came along to get rid of that there's a big air bubble down below ham I fill up I'll probably take all this apart at some point and threaten uh put thread tape on it the Carver's really loose too let's see pretty tight my luck I'm filling up the bottom of the engine right now none of its coming out here it's all going into the it's tight we're not down on the thread so I would say maybe have packed itself pretty decent let's give it a spin if it'll work its way out yeah I say we leave that side alone I was able to see all the way down to the crank - so I'm not worried that it was blocked by some old grease so now we got to do the same at this side you see and this stuff is me it's pliable yeah we'll get that right stuff - when it becomes its final big gloves huh when it becomes the final assembly I try to get all the correct bits and pieces and the what I want to use it for may not use all the extremities I'd like to try to stay with the car if you'll take I'm probably not going to use yeah that kind of thing working on me pump it's everywhere eat that one to crank down she's not cross threading it amen push you can feel that one kind of broke through a wall kind of feeling into crank you can feel a difference in the the drag that's on it we think you would see it losing out though you said though I probably filled up whole bottom with her in case I think I could see someone this side give her a long we'll call part of that we'll call that part of it good for now what you want to do now we need spark we already got kind of squared away the last time and I guess the throttle the way the throttle works is it's it's more of a it's a mixer more than a carburetor and when we took this apart I'll link the link part one to this room anybody wants to see the carbon everything apart we already did that in the first one but down below there's like a spring Oh diaphragm it's a it's metal it's brass but this more you open this the more air it allows to come in will you close it less air you allowed to come in this right here looks like a butterfly on the inside like a regular car it's got a butterfly but apparently that's the choke I'm not quite sure how choking off the air and the fuel at the same time chokes the engine but again it's all kind of new to me so we're gonna agree with it for now so this is yeah that's idle its revving higher revving higher the way it's supposed to work and on the first time around yep I'm the first time around you can advance and [ __ ] to spark by this lever right here and you can kill spark I think by lifting up on it yeah one way or another kill spark and you get advance and [ __ ] it and neutral people are commenting that you had it running you moved the timing and you killed it I was moving the time to try get the the RPMs down I was revving - hi I was trying to get it under control that's why I was back in and off I wasn't trying to I don't know what what people think I was trying to do but that's I was trying to do I was trying to get it to you know get down to a control idle but again with the intake leaks it is what it is all right let me go figure we're going to do next and we'll do that next i routed to the other side of the bench I do what Han revisits Park I had 12 volts going to it last time and we got the buzz coil the fire which is this the piece of tape on the flywheel right there is the trigger so that's when I know it should have sparking it should buzz and it's kind of all over the place what voltage is supposed to be anywhere from six volts the 24 volts is what I've seen not quite sure what model a Model T she wants first T right so there are the coils off of I think a t one of those on top of this transformer know if you can see is the transformer on the right-hand side here that this could do 12 more 6 volts let's try hooking it up to 6 volts and see if it'll still function right 6 volts there that's the hot side and this would have been the ground side and we are gonna go make that 6 volts also turn the power on let's get it off the mark we'll see what it does yeah alright pull the plug on that and we're gonna go look and make sure the spark looks good on the plug - but you hear - the buzz coil working yeah see if that worked for us you're talking on that hold it for me right yeah you see like that it's kind of it's iffy I know there's a way that to knit you're supposed to be able to tweak the little adjusting nut on top of the back yep it's sparking but it's not a continuous spark I'm gonna get zapped hmm I went clockwise it kind of crap several fast that was clockwise let's go counterclockwise a little not a great spark and go clockwise again it dippy what it does is gives it a spark but not a consistent spark like so sparks but the whole time you hearing it making noise it goes out it's only it's only the initial shot that may even be enough but it's nothing to write home about worst case we go back to the 12 volts we know it's working fairly decent like that also it might be the fact that the transformer maybe just doesn't have enough to to maintain the power it needs that's you're still the spark plug out so that we can spin it see how that work last time I made up a socket to go on the end of the flywheel you're supposed to be able to grab this while I won't spin it and get it to go that wasn't happening last time I want to tighten a couple bolts up I got to strap down to the bench - what clamps but she did a good job in making it dance around the bench last time these things run really rich fuel rich oil fuel mix and it's like 10:00 to 1:00 why don't we call that one I would say that's a good ten just pull the float ball I'll clean it again and see how well we make out which firing it up and see if we made any kind of improvement you know I'm gonna spill it know how bad it could not spill it for that's the tickler okay I guess kind of primes it and I think you can I think it was set up so that you would prime this also you would pop this cap off and drip a little bit fueling because you can see all the how many times this thing's been wrenched on and wrenched off as my guess what it was for not positive of that though good set up Stephen get her to fire all right so we're gonna go clockwise and I think we want timing after top dead center so if it's spinning this way we want to make sure it fires after that so it doesn't kick backwards so we're gonna give it a little bit of that direction try on some power keep you still buzzed what we do see if we can break our wrists let's go check yeah I should be fairly close to idle it is piston fuel out too so we have nothing I think that sparks too weak let's go back to 12 volts see if that will do it for us keep your fingers out yeah as soon as I went through it kicked sure no we're gonna call that choke off I think it is see if we could figure out where it's making it leak from on it can you see let me know it is literally dripping out of somewhere what's going on right there got a little poker let's get a little poker I wonder if that is something that's not supposed to be that way I said a whole that is a whole into the bottom of the crankcase I don't think is supposed to have a hole into the bottom of the crankcase yeah well that'll cause that air fuel mix now on it issue see you about plugging that up if we move forward wait I found her problem there's definitely that's worth tripping out from that one definitely load up at the bottom in with fuel but it's not supposed to be sucking here it looks like it was a fitting hopefully the legs just not get you do that looks like it was a fitting and then they it broke and they painted over it that was probably been like that for a while I doubt that's supposed to be a hole open we could try to plug Nana I don't know if we can you be unthread what's there again you can see the the jaggedness on the outside let me try sticking look try sticking an easy-out in there and see if that'll come out of there I got a complaint bent leaning on his side too but it looks like just a it was probably a drain it probably had a like a PEC hock or something on it we see what you do hey let's see if we can get that I have an easy-out tapped in hammered into a 12 point socket and hopefully none of it strips out let's go find out I'm looking very good it looks like it's just feeding itself in there I don't want to crack anything neither you know yeah you know what well we just leave it just like that there you go it's bugged got to spark off let's just make sure the crank doesn't hit it anyway that's coming up beast that carburetor it's opening the plunger like it should all right get your back in the stance go give her another fire up see what it says or we're gonna keep screwing with stuff that we find the right combination still dripping fuel out of that I'm still dripping fuel out of that we might have to take that out put a sealer in there some sort ah let me give it my go this way yeah hey it's blood [Music] littler risky it's close you just get a little bit few I think it's just way too much gas let's shut the gas all the way up now I'm adding a little at a time nothing might be out on the float - just go check the fuel yeah it's definitely still dribbling out the end of that crankcase see if we can we can plug it with now well now it is a permanent fixture of the engine all right we got screw with that and let's go just take a double peak what's in the float yeah now it's out of gas I gotta do something about plugging up these leaks and I think I'm on the right path with that but we just don't have it yet head over on your left we have an IV set up we should have that plugged off and make no promises that's you yeah actually I need to get you on the other side don't I I do because I'll be standing in front of you I'll hop over there ready says it lost something must be sparking eyeball that plug there no it's definitely enough spark put my other clamp back on not my help what I want to do playing with that chipper getting low on fuel the hose in the back Haley - more like an idol thing eats fuel they really went through that fuel pretty quick let's go see if it's got anything still local that's a compressor down because she used it all up yeah man I think it's not efficient huh fact it's not dialed in doesn't help neither but I gotta real gas can hooked up to it now with a line that we could see how much fuel is in it but when I hooked it up it did over pressure the float I kind of I yanked up on the particular needle seems to it stopped I have a feeling that float that cork float might not be doing what's supposed to be doing let's give her again now that we've got a constant fuel supply you can get her dialed in [Applause] [Applause] well it's really hoping that finding that crankcase leak in greasing up you see what it's pushing the grease out now definitely doing was supposed to be doing was going to seal up the crank and it was gonna run good and perform flawless and we could be on our way to the next step of it but that has not happened it's actually running worse so my question what the issue is where we may have a leak somewhere else I do notice it's real wet around the base gasket and I think on both sides there - possibly it's got a leak there we still think it would run I ended up going the next easy-out size up and putting tape around it so that's definitely sealed it's not dripping out of there and again I'm not even sure how that's supposed to be whether I supposed to pick that or not and then it has cooling water pump comes in from here and out it kind of exits in with the exhaust mixed with mixes with these oxygen exits you can see that it just started pushing oil right out of it and I'm doing what it's supposed to be doing possibly the mix is too high it's just not enough to fire no it's everything I've read is it's like between 8 to 1 to 16 to 1 is what these things run on and I don't think I'm that far out of that realm for that to be the issue but at this point I think I want to take it apart and just kind of look at everything and make sure we don't have any other issues or something broken or a broken ring or you know just a bad intake leak somewhere else it's not supposed to be doing what it's supposed to be doing so let's get some wrenches start taking it apart and see what makes it tick assert that exhaust manifold that's not the right size to actually beat metric metric or it's got a lot of paint on it new silicon probably may need a mallet to pop it free let's go get a rubber mallet back yep little too so it looks like the water I don't know if the water exits here or here and through I would think that would be exhausting that would be water that's a guess on my part though you want to take off next you want to get down to the take the jug off hey we probably should get though let's see if we can get their water pump off and out of our way go from the man I've got the bottom two screws off the connecting rod so the bum cap is already been removed previous owner said he had it running when he first got it but that was like 25 - Scott what he said 25 35 years ago one of those two you think had it run well I had it running to me I've always had an issue and judging by that that broken fitting that was on the bottom of that crank I would say I think it always did also let's go see what the jug looks like something this elderly yeah my other thought is - is if we I wonder if we can get rid of that carb that mixer and maybe put a more modern carburetor on I would prefer to have something that has a throttle because I want to use it in a vehicle not seeing what that vehicle is yet but I want to use in a vehicle but it has to be able to the function you know somewhat reasonably but still have a look you know mr. Ward upon just a plunger that goes up and down she will love that right out of there q yeah let's keep it together I think we take those four bass bolts out and probably walk the whole cylinder up off the crank I cracked the two loose on the other side and more tight yeah that one was tight how big you think the piston is I'm gonna say inch and a half in diameter pause it now and write down your answer yeah remember he's got a a water jacket around it yeah that makes for some of the size and I'm just guessing never had one of these apart before there you know I'm okay with stuff that's 15 60 years old but that's what I'm doing this again an education my friend there's really not much better way of education and taking things apart see how they tick some people get mad that they don't go look it all up and figure it all out ahead of time I just I'll do that if I get stuck but I kind of like trying to Andy nothing's huge I would say that is about three inches in diameter okay what a funky setup huh this look like it's missing a ring that might be an issue compression it looks like it's missing a ring there's supposed to be like that I don't know I wouldn't think so well there's your problem mmm good luck trying to find one of those too you know three built-i right take the broken ring at it and put it back together I see one down below to you guys looking mm-hmm fat too huh I saw a ring that was three years of an inch in diameter there's a possibility it's supposed to be like that but I don't think so I don't see a gasket on the vase - and we think that would not help the situation I'm looking down the crank you can see a ton of oil let's go walk take a look at the jug let's go take a peek on the inside of this look in there it's like the ring sitting in there oh there it is [Music] I don't think yeah I think Pep Boys is gonna have that ring in stock just saying you guys she some I see some nasties on the wall let me go get a light and we'll take a peek in there together I tried freehand this year a workhorse oh yeah there's literally like a crater I mean size of the wall there all the way around but it kind of looks like me bee does the ring even go up that far yeah it's got corrosion probably sabot water pressure that underwater the thing is how far does that does that go up I wonder if the ring lamed so which ring was on it the lower ring so that's the issue so it's at got corroded and he took that ring off yeah that's what happened so the the ring that is now makes compression because it goes to right there and stops and the other ring would have been right with that is so that got all damaged yeah so if you put the other ring on that's gonna be what the issue is how do you fix that can you bore it and sleeve it and can you sure there's a lot of things you can do I really want to get into all that though and it was no no gasket on the base neither you would think so there's a transfer report right there from the bottom that allows it to come up so the air fuel mix so the intakes on the bottom your fuel comes in from the bottom it makes it cycle and the when the piston is going up there's a vacuum in the case it draws air fuel oil into the bottom then the piston goes down and it forces it up this passage through there and in in right there and then goes around when it fires it blows out the exhaust port right there and probably the exhaust is a little let's go get the height of the you take I'm gonna go call it almost the same pretty close hmm so where do we go from here though yeah feeling that this might be a do a without a bunch of machine work but yet there was no gasket there's no seal so that's that's why we saw that leaking around there that makes sense that's what was blowing out right there I was supposed to have a gasket on there it's not supposed to be like that so yeah it was losing some of the charge there also let's go see let's go grab the light there's a bunch of oil sitting in the bottom so just couldn't have a a mix that would work good enough for at an idle when you spun it faster and it caught and it revved probably cuz it's moving so fast it was enough you know the faster you spin it that your compression actually kind of comes up doesn't have time to leak around the ring we think we just jb weld the bad spots mmm was expertly rebuilt with that tag say lovingly restored mm-hmm lovingly painted is more like it yeah hmm well it wasn't for lack of trying that's for sure that gets keyed in right there there's another key yeah they wouldn't bother putting all that in there for shits and giggles like it's got a little guard too on the piston so would that be on the exhausts idea so it's got a little maybe a little fireball that's supposed to beat delay for the exhaust to go out the port question for what that does play taps now or later alright guys well I think that's is about as far as we're gonna be able to go it's I know when to call it I'll give a shot to see if I can find components for it and I highly doubt it but you never know but for the purpose of what I wanted to use it for yeah I don't think it's just gonna pan out if I I'm probably gonna want to go to a small engine show and kind of watch I want an early engine but I would like something that has a throttle that we can kind of work as a throttle from a remote location even like through think ajiz and even with this trying to dial everything in I think what you have to do is kind of play between how much air goes in because this is I believe this works as your throttle you turn this screw allows a plunger on the bottom to open and close a lot more and less air in when it does that it just changes your rpms but I think you might need to tweak the fuel at the same time I just don't know I again I was I was hoping to find that out when we educated ourselves on this but you know sometimes it doesn't work out hi guys enough from on board I want to thank all you for kind of hanging out and you know wrenching on 110 year old stuff and maybe you know I may have learned a lesson I'm purchasing things that you think that are expertly restored and I'm not just the paint job hi guys till next month see ya there was the tag that was on it he well-restored kyle liar liar yeah but we fixed a grease cut problem that's fixed yeah but the radio still works you thought I forgot I had we call that a little over three and a quarter that was way off

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Length: 56min 2sec (3362 seconds)

Published: Sun Oct 13 2019