Alan Dershowitz DESTROYS Legal Arguments for Trump Indictments | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 192

today's guest sees the legal war on Donald Trump as one of the most significant court cases in American political history what's at stake is the future of all presidential elections by trying to disqualify Trump they want to disqualify you and me and steal your right to vote for who you want to vote for he lays out a defense of trump in his latest book get Trump the threat to leave live civil liberties due process and our constitutional rule of law he also happens to be Trump's most prestigious Advocate top of his class at Yale editor of the Yale Law Journal before his stint as a supreme Supreme Court Clerk he became an assistant professor at Harvard Law School and then he was 25 I think when that happened he earned tenure by 28. when he defended Trump in front of the Senate there were 10 former students among the 100 Senators he's described Ted Cruz as one of his most trillion students that he ever had over the past five decades he's established himself as one of the greatest constitutional Experts of our time he has written about half a dozen books on the subject and litigated a hundred cases on the Constitution he's admired and feared by political Giants of every kind Bill Clinton described him as hopeful and wise Benjamin Netanyahu calls him a Defender Of Truth he worked with and for Bob Bobby Kennedy he knew a young Barack Obama they were neighbors actually and Obama even refused to come to today's guest's 75th birthday because he wouldn't disinvite Geraldo Rivera he has defended Communists Nazis and pornographers he's engineered some of the biggest court cases of our time from Jim Baker to Mike Tyson Julian Assange Mike Lindell he's on that case now he's also defended some of the most unpopular people of our time Harvey Weinstein O.J Simpson Roman Polanski and Jeffrey Epstein but the one he says has destroyed his life the most notorious client by far according to his then friends was Donald Trump his continued to support Trump not voting for him he's never voted in fact he's voted against him twice but his support for the principles of the Constitution has cost him friendships alliances privilege honors and as you'll find out it even led to a weird altercation with Seinfeld Creator Larry David but he has never been spooked by controversy or pushback he defies partisanship no matter the cost he's defended Al Gore in 2000 and ready to do the same for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and even though he's one of Trump's strongest allies he voted against Trump twice and was able to vote against him he says hopefully a third time since retry retiring from Harvard he offers his legal and political expertise on the podcast the Der show he turns 85 tomorrow and he is as sharp as attack please welcome Alan dershowitz before we get to Alan sometimes it seems like there's a running battle between cyber criminals and the government to see who can steal most of the money from the largest number of people um I think it's the government that wins most of the time but the competition is fierce take home title theft for instance it's one of the fastest growing crimes in America right now and there's a very good reason for that as it turns out most victims of home title theft don't realize they're a victim until it is way too late I'm going to tell you about one homeowner she pulled onto her street one day and she saw a bulldozer demolishing her home can you imagine there was being torn down right in front of her eyes she was a victim of a devastating crime of home title theft Criminal Just forged his way onto the deed to her home sold it now the new owner was just tearing it down to rebuild your home your property your Equity your most valuable assets gone protect them with home title lock home title lock home titlelock.com use the promo code Beck home titlelock.com promo code back [Music] oh first of all happy birthday tomorrow well thank you 85 years young yeah 85. it's a you know it's we are looking at Mitch McConnell having some sort of neurological issue yeah um and um people are saying you know you can't make an issue of people's age I don't I'd vote for you at 85 for your your sharp you're just the same man as you've always been but it's not about age it's about ability and I don't know what's happening to us where we don't is there no one that says hey this is this our country we wouldn't give the keys to our car to these gentlemen and ladies why are we giving them the keys to our country well we're you know we have a geriatric Aid you see where we have you know a senator from California that's obviously unable to make decisions um we have uh people in in high positions we've had that before Woodrow Wilson served as president while largely unconscious and that caused us to create the 25th Amendment fortunately but um we have a right to judge people on their ability not on their numbers right you uh I mean 85 years what's the first memory of America that we would relate to that you you had oh very clear very clear VE day and VJ Day wow um I was seven years old um both VE day was particularly important to my family because I had several uncles uh serving uh abroad um involved in the invasion of Germany involved in France and it meant they were coming home and they were alive and we had a joyous joyous celebrations and then I had no relatives in the Pacific Theater but I remember vividly Vijay day victory over Japan day dancing in the streets uh just it's hard to put yourself back in a position where our friends our relatives our dear ones were risking their lives for freedom and it was over and we won uh of course not all of us won I lost my entire family in the Holocaust I have a picture in the cover of my book just revenge of a family gathering in 1938 and every single person in that picture uh children and the elderly except for one was slaughtered by the Nazis during the Holocaust so it was it was a victory for Americans but uh terrible terrible defeat for the Jewish people half the Jewish people in the world were murdered this is not what I planned on talking to you about but I I've been wrestling with something lately as I go back and I I look at our history and where we've gone wrong and where we've gone right Etc and I'm I'm really I'm stuck at Operation Paperclip uh where we took some of these scientists and many of the doctors as well and we just brought them in and whitewashed them um Werner Von Braun he absolutely had to have known what was going on in his factories he was there did we do the right thing or or not should those people have all gone to prison well it's a very very difficult moral question I've actually written about it and talked about it and I've written about the double-edged sword called the Marshall Plan after all Hitler said to the German people if you kill the Jews you will be better off economically and so they killed the Jews they lost the war and the Marshall Plan made them better off economically they were better off than England they were better off than France we rewarded Germany because we were fighting against communism and you fight today's not yesterday's Wars but it came with an enormous moral cost the vast majority of Hands-On Nazis live good lives they died at age 80 and 85 with their grandchildren sitting next to them without anybody holding them accountable for their Hands-On participation do you know that when I went back to Germany uh in 1964 I discovered that people who were in the SS put it on their resumes oh my gosh whereas Jews who had been in the camp hid their uh hid their numbers their tattoo numbers uh people were proud people were proud to have been in the Gestapo uh there was no accounting in Germany and you know we said never again but after the Holocaust it happened again and again and again and again the four Pol Pot again and again because everybody knew if you kill one person you get executed but if you kill six million you can get praised and so we did not learn the lessons of uh the Holocaust we didn't learn the lessons of the Japanese Army raping and murdering Chinese civilians we were awarded Japan do you know what happened about two years ago there was a poll a general poll just ask a question what are the best countries in the world they didn't Define it one of the best countries in the world the answer number one Germany number two Japan those were the two best countries in the world and they may very well be today among the best countries in the world because they didn't pay a price we look too much to the Future and not to the past and morality requires balancing yeah the past and the future uh it is um I I would love to I'm going to get on track here but I would love to sit down in a podcast and just kind of review the things that you've seen and done would you be willing to do that with me of course of course it's been it's been a good long life with ups and downs you know until age 75 I was honored I was getting honorary degrees I they were going to name a professorship after me um I had never been sued never sued and then a woman um stimulated by corrupt lawyers accuse me of having sex with her I never met her never heard of her and ultimately she recanted and said oh I I may have confused him with someone else but that changed my life and from age 75 to 85 I was fighting for my reputation and then I defended Donald Trump on the floor of the Senate and all my friends turned against me and I'm now involved in so many lawsuits I'm suing CNN I'm being sued my life is turned around because of and I wrote a book about it called the price of principle why Integrity is worth the consequences but the last 10 years of my life have been fighting and fighting and fighting you're supposed to have a golden age of retirement but I've been deprived of that I guess the good Lord put me here to be a fighter not to be an honor getter and so I'm going to go down at the end uh fighting for justice and fighting for the rule of law why is it worth it because I think there's a lot of people that are making it's not hard yet for most people I think most people are making the decision now that I don't want to get involved I don't want I don't want the school to you know be harsh with my child or whatever why is it worth standing up and saying what you believe and saying what you believe to be true well it's worth it if you're the only one who gets victimized but in my case my wife has been victimized my children have been victimized um and and and and so you know you ask the question is it worth it some people think it's been selfish of me to live on my principles and to put my wife and family and children particularly uh through the burden um as my son said to me once and it was really hurtful we used to be so proud to Bear the name dershowitz and now uh it's sometimes a difficulty a burden an embarrassment among friends because you represented Donald Trump and that's unacceptable in America you know I think of myself as trying to follow in the footsteps of John Adams who risked his life in his career and his reputation to represent people he despised British soldiers who were trying to uh kill American civilians I think of so many lawyers in the past Abraham Lincoln and Daniel Webster and Thurman Marshall and so many others who've risked everything Thurgood Marshall had bullets whizzing by his head uh as a lawyer uh he was threatened with being lynched but if there are no people to stand up for principles and for the rule of law we're in deep trouble but I wish people would just pick on me I can fight back I wish they'd leave my wife and my family alone but they don't I uh I've had very similar conversations uh with my family and I've wrestled back and forth is it is it worth it I mean it's it's one thing for me but I am affecting my children's future because they bear my name and uh it's it's uh it's hard I can just only do what I I think is right and I think in your case you are going to be remembered as a great man and a great Fighter for Liberty you know Alan you and I disagree on a lot of stuff I'm sure um but you are you're somebody who is you are the John Adams and he was wildly unpopular when he was alive as well so rest assured I think you will be remembered quite well well I'll be remembered by some but unfortunately we live in a world today where everything is divided uh you have to pick a team and uh you know I think of an analogy to sports I was a fanatical Brooklyn Dodger fan and then I became a Red Sox fan when the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles but anytime I went to a ball game and the opposition player came up whether it would have been Ted Williams back in the day or Joe DiMaggio or Jeter or Mariano Rivera I would always get up and chair the opposing team because although I was a strong supporter of my team I understood the greatness of people on the other team I wouldn't just say oh they're Yankees they're you know they're they're the Enemy No No we're all Americans and I admire you enormously for what you've done and what you've stood up for we could disagree I used to have these great debates with William Buckley um they're all on you can get them on YouTube We debated everything we disagreed about everything and we would end up you know putting us our arm on each other's shoulders and going out and and having a drink we even disagreed about what we were going to drink but uh in the end in the end we agreed that we both wanted America to be great and we had different conceptions of how to make America great but no difference in in the result that we wanted and we both wanted to devote Our Lives to seeing that happen right my father used to always say I strongly disagree with so and so but I'll fight to the death for his right to say it and we've lost that ability if you had to compare it if you had to compare this time uh on any other time in American history that you have seen lived or know a lot about what are we repeating if anything well um I lived through McCarthyism I was president of the student body at Brooklyn College in the early um 1950s in the mid-1950s during the height of McCarthyism and the president of Brooklyn College who had been appointed to get rid of the Little Red Schoolhouse because Brooklyn College City College had a lot of socialists and Communists and so they were firing professors and the man who was instrumental in firing a lot of the professors I became friendly with he was the chairman of the Department of romance languages you may have heard of his son his name was Eugene Scalia and I first met Nino Scalia because I knew his father and Nino Scalia and I fought I hated communism I was a virulent anti-communist but I defended the right of Communists to speak at Brooklyn College uh but Jerry McCarthyism that was not not acceptable I wanted to hear them I wanted to boo them I wanted to answer them uh and and and the the school wouldn't let me wouldn't let me do that um I wanted a March on Washington for desegregation when I was president of student government and the president of the college said if you do that I won't write you a recommendation for law school and I did it and he didn't write me a recommendation to law school yeah but I got in uh anyway but this I have to tell you I'm writing a new book it's called the pneumocartheism why the current woke version is worse than the original we're worse than McCarthyism why the McCarthy is of the past which I lived through was old people who were on the way out McCarthy himself but many of the people who supported McCarthyism were the Old Guard and they were focused on the past where people Communists in the 1930s the new McCarthyism which we're living through today is all about the future it's about young kids in colleges and universities who in 10 years will be the editorial board of the New York Times the head of various networks members of Congress and in 20 years president of the United States so I'm so worried that the new woke McCarthyism intolerance for different points of view intolerance for due process intolerance for the rule of law we want our results we want them now and we don't want anything to stand in the way we want to make sure Trump can't run for President we don't care how much of the Constitution we have to compromise to get there we only care about that that's what the people said during the McCarthy period come communism is so dangerous and so bad they're going to take over the world they're going to bury us we don't care about civil liberties we don't care about Free Speech there have been many times in our history we thought it's different now it's different and therefore the Constitution should be ignored it's never different they said it was different when they put 110 000 Japanese Americans in camps no the Constitution was designed to protect against that and it's not different today I don't want Trump to be elected I'm going to vote against him but I have to 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and say okay I don't want to accept it but I will and it takes you in in another Direction sure look I could quote Voltaire but I'll quote Jack Nicholson you can't handle the truth that's really the problem a lot of people can't handle the truth now you and I may disagree about that I don't believe there's one truth in the world I believe in what I call the true thing process the process of getting to the truth the marketplace of ideas and I think I would agree with that on the walk left today is that they think they know the truth cap penalty capital T and if you know the truth you don't need dissent you don't need due process if a man is Accused by a woman of course he's guilty what do you need to trial for that's what the radical work left is saying if there if somebody on on the right is saying you should vote for Trump we don't need free speech that we know that's wrong now I'm not voting for Trump but I support anybody's right to publicly support Trump or anyone else um and and and you know if I defended the right of a communist to run if I defended the right of a Nazi to March through Skokie Illinois you think I won't defend the right of Republicans or conservative so I disagree with I think a woman should be able to choose to have an abortion during at least the earlier part of her pregnancy many of people I know disagree with that let's argue it let's debate it let's ask the right question in democracy not does a woman have the right to choose that's a personal opinion who decides is it the government that makes that decision decision is it the doctors that make that decision is it the state that makes that decision is it the federal government is it the constitution in a democracy the key question is always who gets to decide and rights when you decide something's a right like free speech then the majority doesn't get to decide it if you have one person in a society who says I'm going to speak up for the Earth being flat he has Bush he has the right to say that and the majority look I remember growing up in Brooklyn in Borough Park which was a completely Orthodox Jewish neighborhood and every Friday the Jehovah's Witnesses would come by and try to persuade us to reject our religion otherwise we'd go to hell and let me tell you it's scared the heck out of people and I stood there and I defended the right of the Jehovah's Witnesses and my grandmother was furious at me and I said Grandma if these people don't have the right to speak you're not going to have the right to speak well you know she came from Poland as a 15 year old she didn't have the experience of democracy but even she understood Better Than People on the left woke part of our society understand today all right let me get to let me get because all of these cases against Donald Trump I don't think anybody is is following there's not a you don't you you don't necessarily know what any one of them is about and where there's good points and bad points and honestly well it's easy to find out it's easy to find out just get my book get Trump uh in get Trump um I describe every one of the cases I predict I predicted I wrote this book a couple of months ago I predicted each of these indictments I analyzed the strengths and weaknesses of each of the indictments and uh when the trials begin I'm going to be putting out a new version of this book called the primer uh on the Trump trials in which on a daily basis online I go through all of the strengths and weaknesses of the case the other day on my podcast I made a mock opening argument both for the government against Donald Trump and for Donald Trump against the government and let my viewers decide which was the stronger of can you guys can you give us a snip of that can you give us a a pithy uh both sides argument uh sure uh you know the government's arguments ladies and gentlemen of the jury uh this is a difficult uh case to bring because the man who's in the dock is running for president of the United States and everybody has the right to vote for who they want to see as president but the rule of law must Prevail and we're going to prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump actually knew he had lost the election and engaged in conduct which was criminal based on his uh knowledge and you know basically I'll go on for there but the defense argument is ladies and gentlemen the jury imagine for one moment that Donald Trump was right and that the Georgia election had been stolen from I don't believe that you may not believe it but imagine it for one second if he were right then everything he did was not criminal he tried to get an ultimate slate of electors he tried to persuade he tried to do what the lawyers for Al Gore did I was one of them I was the lawyer for the Palm Beach County voters against the butterfly ballot we did everything the same way we lobbied legislatures we'd lobbied the Secretary of State um but Professor tribe talked about alternate uh uh slates of electors talked about not having the results final until January 6. uh you know you have to ask put yourself in the mind of Donald Trump and if you conclude that he knew he had lost the election that's one thing but look I don't believe he knew that I think he talked himself into the fact that he had won the election I think to this day he believes he won the election I believe he's wrong but that doesn't make him a criminal which which one of those wins Alan I mean oh the one that wins is what I call the smoking cigarette butt and why do I call it a smoking cigarette butt it's smoking it's him waving the paper in front of the reporter and the publisher it's on video saying I could have Declassified this when I was President I didn't it's still secret that does constitute a smoking something of guilt on the other hand what is it it's not a gun it's not even a whole cigarette or a cigar it's a cigarette butt it's such a minor offense I believe every single office holder of high office president and vice president has taken with them classified material and we don't ever prosecute that uh and nobody claims that Trump was trying to sell it to the Russians or give it to the Russians or undercut our National Security even just being a blowhard he was being Donald Trump hey look what I got I got secret material I can show it to you because I was President a slap on the wrist the cigarette butt that's the one strong case everything else depends on his State of Mind the New York case is not even worth discussing it's intellectually not even worth a minute of time it is the worst indictment I have ever seen in 60 years of practicing law and virtually everyone admits that now and this one since we admit that the first one was wrong hang on that's the brag is that the the brag indict Stormy Daniels one there's so many okay let me tell you let me tell you what that indictment says that indictment says that Alexander Hamilton should have been put in jail for paying hush money to the woman who had an affair with him while he was the Secretary of Treasury he paid us Money Paid eleven hundred dollars which was a fortune in those days uh but nobody said he had to put that on a disclosure form what brag is saying is when you pay hush money which is designed to keep a secret then you immediately have to disclose the secret by putting it on a corporate form never in the history of the world has that been done that that indictment but yet the New York Times when it first came out said wow what a strong indictment my former student Norm Eisen uh who has been part of the get Trump uh Brigade wow what a strong indictment he was my student he should know better he was in my class in criminal law there's never been a week of a diaper but now that they've been other indictments even to get Trump Brigade has been saying oh well the Brit the bragging time is no good maybe you should drop it certainly it should come later it shouldn't have come first it was really a weak indictment it was such a weak indictment and then you have the two indictments about January 6th which pose problems for Donald Trump they do pose problems so let's take the DC One first of all yeah I as a conservative I don't think I could get a fair trial in D.C I just think are you kidding I think there's no way yeah you could there's no way I could get I'm a liberal and I can't get a fair trial in DC right because I defended Donald Trump I would immediately if I were indicted for something in D.C move to change the venue to Virginia or West Virginia or somewhere where there's some purple to be seen right here 95 96 and the important thing is not that 96 of washingtonians voted against Donald Trump is that 80 percent hate his guts with a passion and they will do anything to make sure he's not elected and you can't expect a fair trial with that kind of a jury so first question will it be moved you know here what should happen is his lawyer should move immediately to have a change of venue and then if they lose that they should appeal that there is a mechanism called interlocutory appeal or writ of mandamus where you can challenge a judge's order there are two orders that should be challenged in DC number one the location of the trial number two the timing the timing you know the judge in that case I have to tell you if she ever was in my class and she said some of the things she said From the Bench I I I I'd flunk her out of law school I mean she first of all talked about the right of the public to a speedy trial there's no such thing there's only the right of a defendant the public has the right only to a fair trial not a speedy trial and so the idea of trying this case within six months of the indictment with 12 million 700 000 pages of material material and you know what the judge basically said the prosecutor said oh the defense doesn't have to read it all just skim it a little bit no I'm a lawyer I've done this for 60 years I read every word the government gives me you know why because the government plays a game it's called needle in the haystack yes they give you 12 million 700 pages of garbage and buried in that garbage is two or three hundred pages of Gems and Jewelry and Nuggets right and you have to go through the 12 million Pages if you did it every single day you'd have to read I think it's 17 000 Pages we did the math I think it's six to make it at this time I think it's 60 000 Pages a day you'd have to you'd have to read yeah yeah I mean it's written it depends how fast but and you know here's the problem when you are looking um at a speedy trial there are people that were charged for January 6th a year two years ago that still haven't been at their day in court they're still people that's because that's and that's because it's such a complicated case there you have videotapes it's a yes or no thing there's no 12 billion Pages I'm representing one of the defendants in the case a young law student who went in peacefully he listened to the president who said I want you to have your voices heard peacefully and patriotically that's what he did then he was waved in by the police he stayed there for a few minutes then the police told him to leave and he left and he's been indicted for a felony his law school diploma has been withheld and uh you know his life is upside down so I'm defending him and and um and his trial hasn't taken place yet uh either the idea that twin twin you know 12 million pages of material can be gone through it's like asking a brain surgeon to do a delicate brand operation without seeing the CAT scan without studying the blood results without looking at the Pharmaceuticals if I were a lawyer I have to tell you I go up to the judge and say you're Ronnie whoever robe I don't but you can't make me do unethical things you can't make me provide my client with ineffective assistance and counsel you can't make me commit malpractice I refuse to try this case in six months get another lawyer who's prepared to commit malpractice you can't make me do it judge might hold me in contempt but I would do it I would do it but I would not try a case in six months then that lowers the the chances of Donald Trump having another choice of a lawyer I mean the lawyer well first of all are no longer can't get the best lawyers right for another reason is this project calls project 65 a bunch of woke radical left-wing anti-trump haters who have decided that their goal in life is to disbar and discipline any lawyer with anything to do with Donald Trump so as soon as they announce that I wrote an op-ed saying there are a bunch of mccarthyites and and they are violating the Norms of the legal profession so what do you think they did they filed a bar charge against me I now have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars defending myself in Massachusetts uh uh against a bar charge brought by this organization of thugs uh that mccarthyites who want to make sure and the purpose the reason they went after me is they want to make sure I can't defend Donald Trump or anybody anybody accused along with Donald Trump because if you have a bar charge against you then it's difficult to get admitted to a state other than your own so it's a tactic a McCarthy I tactic designed to prevent lawyers like me from becoming involved in these kinds of cases and tragically it's working because the legal profession isn't fighting back the legal profession fought back against McCarthyism but they're not fighting back against the new anti-trump McCarthyism why why because they're cowards and because they did as one of them put it we don't want to be dershowitz we don't want to have happen to us what happened to you we don't want our families to be affected this way also there's zealots when Larry David an old friend of mine who I helped his daughter get into college and I you know he used to work out in my little gym and come to my house for dinner when he saw me on the porch of the chillmark store which is where we hang out in on Martha's Vineyard he starts screaming at me your despicable you're disgusting the veins in his head popped and I it was as if he was speaking to Heinrich Himmler who had just come from defending Adolf Hitler that's the way he thinks of another friend on the vineyard who who talked about Donald Trump uh being worse than Hitler um I said you know that's a form of Holocaust denial when you say that and you know people are willing to make such extreme statements about Trump I'm not going to vote for him but if he's win if he wins I'll I'll recognize his election just as I did the election of 2016. I was a big Hillary Clinton supporter but I worked with Donald Trump on the uh various issues relating to Israel because you know how much I love Israel and support Israel and when Trump asked me to help out on Israel I said yes you're you're the president I'm going to work with you in in support of American values and in support of Israel and I work with him on that remember the day when you could do all of the normal things that you wanted to do in a day you could go golfing whenever you wanted and you could golf all day and you didn't feel like you were made out of broken glass remember when you didn't have to decide whether or not it was worth it to do it because it's probably going to really hurt is it I'm not going to pay for this for three days living with pain is no joke and it's the kind of thing that can wreck your life I know I've been there fortunately for me my wife told me you're taking relief factor I didn't think it would work for me if you're dealing with pain in your life you feel like you've tried everything maybe it's time to give relief factor a try if it works for you get your life back three week quick start 1995 it's trial pack millions of people have already tried it 70 percent of them now have gone on to order more 800 for Relief 804 relief relief factor.com we're looking at two January 6 trials one is in DC and that one can go to sedition right there's there's they're saying that he engaged in sedition well they didn't charge him with that but you know the statute you know even in Florida you know the statute under which he was charged is called the Espionage Act but he didn't commit Espionage he didn't commit sedition uh but they're trying to invoke the 14th Amendment they're trying to get convictions in DC or in Fulton County so that they can then say the 14th Amendment operation the 14th Amendment says that if you engaged in sedition or Rebellion or Etc it was designed for the Civil War obviously then you cannot be the president of the United States and uh if you have engaged if you've engaged in Insurrection or Rebellion against the same the Constitution or given Aid and comfort to the enemies thereof Congress by a vote of two-thirds of each house could remove such a disability but you're not supposed to I mean really Rebellion I guess I guess maybe they're going for the aid or come effort to the enemies they are but remember too that Republicans could come back and say Sanctuary cities the people who are involved in sanctuary cities are involved in rebellion and Insurrection they're saying we will not obey the law of the United States we will rescue our uh immigrants and you know I have emotionally supportive right of that but you can argue that's an active inspection or Rebellion it's a it's a it's a refusal to apply federal law to follow federal law you can say that the acts that were done after the horrible shooting of George Floyd some of the violence that took place on the west coast were acts of insurrection and Rebellion the problem with that 14th Amendment argument is there's no mechanism there is a mechanism for undoing it but there's no mechanism for actually concluding whether or not president Trump gave Aid and comfort to an Insurrection or Rebellion uh Professor tribe my former colleague says well it's self-enforcing any secretary area of State can do that so the Secretary of State of Michigan can decide who the next president of the United States is by keeping Trump off the ballot it's absurd the framers of the Constitution would never have tolerated something like that they made it so hard to impeach you think they're going to make it easy to permit prevent somebody from serving as president no so what is the what is the strongest and the weakest and and how do you think this one in Washington DC will fall what's the strongest point and weakest point of it well there's only one strong point Washington DC and that's Washington DC that is they will convict a ham sandwich if its name it's Trump so um the key point in that case is going to be the instruction the judge gives if the judge says to the jury ladies and gentlemen of the jury even if you believe that Donald Trump honestly believed that he had won the election even if you come to that conclusion you must convict unless you also believe that that belief was reasonable in other words you have to conclude not only that Trump himself believed he won the election but that that was a reasonable belief if they get that instruction they win the trial but they lose on appeal in my opinion the other instruction would be ladies and gentlemen of the jury you have to conclude Beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump himself actually knew he lost the election the problem is he didn't he talks himself into the fact that he had won it he told everybody there is no Smoking Gun they're not going to be able to produce a videotape or even a witness no who says oh well Donald Trump told me that he had lost the election and was just doing this he leaves it to this day to this day to the core of his being he believes he won the election well they've come up with a new alternative the New York Times had an op-ed piece of clever op-ed piece which said no you don't have to prove that he actually knew he had won he had lost if you can show that he willfully blinded himself to that information but to show that he willfully blinded himself you know it's the three monkeys here no evil see no evil speak no evil Trump didn't do that he watched the movie 2 000 mules he listened to the people on his side of the story he also heard the people on the other side we know that because he reacted to it he was furious at at uh Fox News for um uh declaring um uh Biden the winner so we know he heard all sides of the argument but he concluded erroneously in my view but so he wouldn't speak in his view what is the difference between this and what Hillary Clinton said uh or honestly what what you the case you made in uh Bush versus score I mean it is the it is your right to question it at some point you know you should move on um you know unless it is corruption and that has to be vetted but at some point the system does move on but you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe when did this become a crime when we've been hearing this for 25 years well I wrote a book on it called Supreme Injustice where I declared in my book that I believe that the night that the 2000 election should have gone and did go to Al Gore I believe more people in Florida wanted to vote for Al Gore than wanted to vote for um uh president uh uh Bush uh the Supreme Court said I was wrong I still think I was right I maintained that too the argument that the get Trump Posse is putting forward today is that they didn't just say it but they put up a slate of fake electors well but that's exactly the way you're supposed to yes you're supposed to put up alternate electors and let the Congress decide which slate of electors that Tilden Hayes that happened in the uh 1960 election Jamie Raskin was pushing in that direction Lawrence tribe in 2000 said that the State of Florida had the right to recount up until January 6th uh and and now he denies that that applies to Donald Trump because for Professor tribe the Constitution means only what he believes it means in behalf of his candidates his ideology and his party but uh reasonable people will say if that argument was valid in Bush versus Gore it it was valid here as well so it's going to be a controversial case ultimately it'll get to the Supreme Court but the goal of the get Trump Posse is to get a down and dirty conviction before the election knowing that it very likely will be reversed after the election but by that time the election will have been influenced by the conviction that's the strategy that's why you have Jack Smith moving for a January 2nd trial that was his original claim they put it off to March 4th but January 2nd to get a down and dirty conviction before the primaries before the election influence the election and then it'll be reversed on appeal but we don't care this will be after the election this is this is what I expected the Soviet Union to be like when I was a kid that you couldn't believe the newspapers that the trials were all rigged it was show me the show me the man I'll find the crime I'll show you the crime um and and in just recently we have said the Press has said we don't want to say anything about this the FBI we don't do anything before an election because we don't want to influence everything they you know the two judges fought over what was it March 4th there were two judges that wanted to put that well there are now three trials scheduled for March and one for may look we're not Russia uh our president doesn't shoot down the plane carrying his political opponent he doesn't kill lawyers like miznitsky uh who are in jail representing people we're not there uh on my podcast I have a podcast called the dirt show I award bananas and I started with just one banana ten makes you a Banana Republic but I have to tell you after these three trials were scheduled for March I am now up to six bananas uh we're getting close unfortunately and we have to stop it from being a Banana Republic when you go after the man running against the incumbent president you better have the strongest case imaginable they don't and you better have the fairest process imaginable they don't they have a weak case with an unfair process a denial of due process and that's banana land that shouldn't be allowed to happen what do you think about all the attorneys being arrested well that's scary I have a whole I have a chapter in my book uh get Trump you are the best marketer ever what are you gonna do with all this money well I'm not making any money on this let me tell you what happened no bookstores will carry get Trump they don't want independent bookstores who won't carry it even though it was number one non-fiction bestseller on Amazon the local bookstores won't carry it so I write not to make money I write to have people read my views and if you want to read my news on these trials read get Trump so I'm not going to be bashful about promoting it I just can't get it in the bookstore and I fight against censorships yeah I love it um but I talk about the lawyers that going after the lawyers Shakespeare's villain said first let's kill the lawyers um I would say tongue put them in pig farms Stalin killed the lawyers Pol Pot killed the lawyers uh Castro killed the lawyers um when you go after lawyers when you arrest lawyers and prison lawyers name them as unindicted co-conspirators as they did in D.C and indicted co-conspirators in Fulton County you're creating a real problem first you're telling other lawyers don't become lawyers for Donald Trump and a lot of lawyers are listening they don't want to be on the wrong end of an indictment they don't want to be in the wrong end of a bar complaint as I am now on the wrong end of a bar complaint and um and and going after the lawyers is essentially the way you destroy the rule of law you can't have the rule of law unless you have lawyers you know there's that great scene from a man for all seasons when uh Thomas Morris is asked would you talk would you give the rule of law to the devil and he says yes because otherwise uh there'll be no rule of law for the rest of us and that has to be the current approach but it's not so um as I understand and please help help me understand uh as I understand it they are co-conspirators because for instance Mark Meadows because he got a phone number that the president asked him to get and I I I mean that seems like a a pretty big stretch there and it's about the issue is now before a court in um in Georgia federal court because Mark Meadows is saying look I was the chief of staff my job was to sit in and listen to the president's phone calls and I did and the president said to the Secretary of State rafsenberger we need to find find enough votes to turn the election in my favor he didn't say concoct he didn't say manufacture he didn't say make up he said discover discover means they're there fine they're there to be found and it's Mark meters do wrong listening to that phone call there's an op-ed in today's Times saying oh he should have gotten off the phone he should have put his letter of resignation on the desk well that's your opinion but failure to do that doesn't make you a criminal it is uh absolutely consistent that Donald Trump would say it if you read the transcript he's saying we have four hundred thousand votes you know that that are out there you know there's only 11 000 that are needed to turn this the other way look at the 400 000 votes find just 11 you don't have to find all 400. he that he did this thing completely because it's the same thing in verse versus goal we needed 570 votes or something like that I guarantee you that the lawyers for Al Gore were on the phone saying we want the recount in this County because maybe we can find enough votes to put us over the top we don't want to recount in that county because that won't help us correct they were very selective in which recounts they wanted and that's what the Supreme Court ultimately pointed to in rejecting recounts but if you go back and look at everything that the gore lawyers did in 2000 you'll see striking similarities go back and read the memo you want to hear the irony you know who wrote the memo for Al Gore same guy who wrote the memo for president Trump his name is cheese Borough he was Larry tribe's research assistant when tribe wrote that memo in 2000 now he's under indictment for essentially making very very similar points um you know the Torah says uh in instructing judges low takier pun in do not recognize faces you must do just as blind you can't know who the person is before you that's why we have the statue of Justice with the blindfold but now everything turns on is your name Trump or is your name Gore are you a Democrat are you a Republican are you conservative are you liberal are you Trump Trump trump that's the name of the game it's in violation of the Bible it's in violation of civil liberties it's in violation of the Constitution but the get Trump Brigade couldn't care less they'll violate anything to make sure Trump can't run for president all right before we get back to the final uh portion of uh Alan dershowitz uh let me tell you I'm a huge fan of the concept of buying things from people that don't hate my guts uh buying things from people that are ethical moral trying to do the right thing and the uh the cream on the strawberries if you will is somebody who is trying to do it in America that's really hard really hard I don't mind spending my money for things like that there are several companies that are building their companies with those kinds of values your values one of them is grip six you're getting true 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Florida and uh by bifurcating the case that way they sought to get an advantage now look the justice department has a slogan right in front of the uh building and Justice is done not when the government wins but when Justice is done when we have a fair result they're not supposed to be seeking every possible unfair tactical Advantage they're supposed to be doing justice justice justice shall you pursue again the Bible and the justice department today is not doing that they're seeking political partisan advantage in scheduling these trials in the kinds of indictments in the use of unindicted co-conspirators in going after lawyers that's not not Justice that's weaponization and partisanship he is isn't the January I'm sorry isn't the Florida case a case that you thought was fairly strong that might cause himself I think that one incident is very strong the waving of the document right in front of that's a strong evidentiary case but it's not a Smoking Gun it's a smoking cigarette but because it's not that serious a case although they call it Espionage there's no allegation that he turned the material over to an enemy or made money off it he was just showing off hey I used to be the president I could have Declassified this I didn't it's still secret but I'm showing it to you you know that's it's it's braggedicio but it's not and maybe it's technically criminal but it's it's a but it's a cigarette butt not a gun so um when you look at this and you say their objective is to make sure that he can't run or be president again right um I'm I'm not so sure I I think they actually would like to put him in jail if they could I I think the the the the the hatred is so great that they want to see him in jail see I don't think there's a they I think there are many who would like to see him in jail yes people I know friends who want to see him in jail there are others who would be satisfied if he made a plea bargain there was an article just the other day proposing a plea bargain if he drops out of the race they'll drop the charges or they'll drop the threat of imprisonment he's not going to do that no Donald Trump is not going to do that because nor should he no it's not depriving him of being president it's depriving you of the right to vote for who you want to vote for for president I defend your right to vote against my best interest you know democracy doesn't assure you an outcome it only assures you a process that process is voting every American should vote every eligible voter should vote the electoral college should then decide who is the next president not some Secretary of State in in in Iowa not some uh judge in the District of Columbia a judge whose background is completely anti-trump and completely uh pro-democrat a judge who worked for one of the most corrupt law firms in America got her education uh at the knees of of corruption uh uh and and and it's just unfair and the case has to be taken away from her and has to be taken out of the District of Columbia to a fair place where Justice can be done again if you're going after the man running against the incumbent president you have to be Caesar's wife you have to lean over backwards you have to make sure that every eye is dotted every T is crossed they're doing it exactly the opposite way they're doing it in a way that wouldn't be fair to anybody it certainly isn't fair to the American public who wants to vote for Donald Trump okay let me change now to the to the other side um when uh Trump was being impeached I told my staff look I want you to put the blindfolds on I don't care if we like Trump or hate Trump I want the truth as much as we can find okay so the truth of our understanding go and get as many documents and pieces of evidence and let's put this together and we came to the conclusion that this is actually what Biden and you know barisma and and uh Newland Etc they were kind of they were they were involved in some nevarious things at least in my opinion uh with Newland um and that there was massive corruption going on and it looked to me like it was you know uh pot calling the kettle black trying to make sure that nobody was seeing these things so I've been on this story for several years I've been watching it and and I I know many of the facts but I I said at the time this isn't a court of law I can't I can't tell you that these things absolutely happen this is where the evidence leads me however absolutely right however we are now getting to a point to where you know you have the 70 red flags from uh from uh Banks to the treasury uh you have the shell companies all of the kids and family getting money him saying he didn't meet with uh the business or oligarchs and then we find out that he did and the pseudonym emails which we don't know anything about yet the state department that memo where it says give them the money they've done enough and then Biden saying I'm not giving you the money because you're not qualified for it which is exactly what um his son needed um and then and the latest and this is not something that you can convict over but but shoken uh actually saying yeah I mean I don't have evidence but I think this is exactly what was going on what I make of it is that there is probable cause there is enough to appoint a special counsel and that is essential now the ready Biden has a special counsel but only looking at the classified material again the cigarette butt here we need a special counsel to look into barisma to look into China to look into all the relationships uh between Hunter Biden and people was was President Biden or Vice President Biden at the time was he there when that email was sent was he on phone calls right all of that has to be looked at by a special counsel that special counsel should be somebody who's above reproach a former judge a former Justice a former president of a university somebody who's not political somebody who doesn't come from the justice department a totally outside person remember the rules require that it be somebody outside the government they violated that rule when they uh twice to be be the special counsel but to go after the president look I hope Joe Biden did nothing wrong I've known Joe Biden since 1980. I like him personally he's a nice man I don't believe he's corrupt but I have an open mind and I'm not the one who makes that decision the decision should be made initially by a special counsel appointed to look into President Biden it's a it's it's a it's an important step and it's a controversial step but it must be done you cannot allow Merrick Garland to make that decision miracle and serves at the pleasure of the president it has to be somebody who doesn't serve at the pleasure of the president who isn't appointed by the president who doesn't owe anything to the president until we do that second step of appointing a special counsel it's going to be speculation and that's not healthy for America you know what this election is going to boil down to in in in in a year from now who's the worst criminal family the Biden family or the Trump family that's not how we should be electing presidents of the United States we should be able to put all this behind us and decide the presidency on foreign policy on the economy on jobs on the climate on a range of issues that every American cares about you optimistic that we we weather this storm you know in Israel they say a pessimist if somebody says things are so bad they can't get worse and The Optimist says yes they can so I have mixed views of that they could get worse they could get much worse and I think long term they're going to be worse because of the new McCarthyism of the woke generation but we can survive this our constitution was built to survive this but we have to apply the rule of law the biggest disappointment are the lawyers the lawyers who have not come to defend the rule of law the lawyers who have not come to defend lawyers the lawyers who have taken sides and uh are in favor of disbarring and disciplining uh people who are on a side different from them they're the biggest disappointment and when the lawyers fail to perform their job in doing Justice we're in deep trouble you said a little while ago that you know when we have a whole bunch of 10 bananas we have a Banana Republic you said you have six of them now that's four left are they just bananas that you'll know when you see them or are they specific things you're looking for well I'm hoping to reduce a banana or two if the court of appeals strikes down the scheduling the unfair scheduling and I think it's possible that a court of appeals will say no no March 4th you can't read 12 million Pages by March 4th they lose a banana if that happens if on the other hand the court of appeals upholds it they gain a banana so um you know we're in we're in very vulnerable territory what I'm afraid of today I'm disappointed with the lawyers I'm also disappointed with moderate Republicans people like judge lutec uh who are Federalist Society people who generally support the conservative side but they hate Trump with such a passion that they're prepared to give up their commitment to constitutionalism the Federalist Society has been a very important source of constitutionalism but many in that Society have fallen prey to the get Trump Posse and say look we're conservatives we're Federalists and we're saying that this trial you know a bunch of lawyers from the Federalist Society filed a brief with the court in D.C saying the trial should be January 2nd January 2nd that's three months from now it's four months from now that's that's ridiculous to to the idea you can read 12 million or the idea that you shouldn't read them um you know what's going to happen if he gets convicted they're going to then say there was a violation of Brady they didn't disclose certain material the government's going to say oh we disclosed that we gave you 12 million pages and on page you know 11 million 376 and footnote 16. if you looked at that you would have seen it was the exculpatory material that's the game they play I've seen it I've argued that and that's what's going on here today 12 million pages and you expect either them not to read it or to read it neither is acceptable Alan I wish we had been neighbors and my uh my children would have grown up was sitting around your table or my table hearing these discussions over a meal you're you're uh well we can still do it we do it on television so that's almost as good as over a meal but it would have been nice growing up as a neighbor I don't know how you would fit into Brooklyn but uh I would have liked it but I don't know if I would have fit in uh Alan as always thank you so much happy birthday again and hopefully we'll get you down here to to just tell me the stories of the things you have witnessed because you have witnessed a great deal thank you thank you God bless thank you

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Published: Sat Sep 02 2023