AI Revolution; David Byrne | 60 Minutes Full Episodes

there is a revolution happening right now in the world of artificial intelligence confounding are we ready for it I am rarely speechless I don't know what to make of this with rare access we will show you what Google is developing and the questions they're asking themselves on my way I will bring an apple to you as they begin to unveil computing power that will change every part of our world forever I've been working on AI for decades now and I've always believed that it's going to be the most important invention that Humanity will ever make sometimes [Music] this is one of David Byrne's first performances it was 1975 at cbgb's a legendary music Club where the Ramones Patty Smith and Blondie were also just getting started so I wanted to be very matter of fact it's not like are we having fun tonight foreign I'm Bill Whitaker I'm Anderson Cooper I'm Sharon alfonsi I'm John worthheim I'm Cecilia Vega I'm Scott Pelley those stories tonight on 60 Minutes we may look on our time as the moment civilization was transformed as it was by fire Agriculture and electricity in 2023 we learned that a machine taught itself how to speak to humans like a peer which is to say with creativity truth errors and lies the technology known as a chatbot is only one of the recent breakthroughs in artificial intelligence machines that can teach themselves superhuman skills in April we explored what's coming next at Google a leader in this new world CEO Sundar pichai told us AI will be as good or as evil as human nature allows the revolution he says is coming faster than you know do you think Society is prepared for what's coming you know there are two ways I think about it on one hand I feel no uh because you know the pace at which we can think and adapt as societal institutions compared to the PACE at which the technology is evolving there seems to be a mismatch on the other hand compared to any other technology I've seen more people worried about it earlier in its life cycle so I feel optimistic the number of people you know who have started worrying about the implications and hence the conversations are starting in a serious way as well I guess our conversations with 50 year old Sundar pichai started at Google's new campus in Mountain View California it runs on 40 solar power and collects more water than it uses high tech that pachai couldn't have imagined growing up in India with no telephone at home believe it on a waiting list to get a rotary phone and for about five years and it finally came home I can still recall it vividly it changed our lives to me it was the first moment I understood the power of what getting access to technology meant so it's probably led me to be doing what I'm doing today what he's doing since 2019 is leading both Google and its parent company alphabet valued at 1.5 trillion dollars worldwide Google runs 90 of internet searches and 70 percent of smartphones we're really excited about but its dominance was attacked this past February when Microsoft linked its search engine to a chatbot in a race for AI dominance in March Google released its chatbot named bard it's really here to help you brainstorm ideas to generate content like a speech or a blog post or an email we were introduced to Bard by Google vice president Xiao and Senior Vice President James manika here's Bard and the first thing we learned was that Bard does not look for answers on the internet like Google search does so I wanted to get inspiration from some of the best speeches in the world Bard's replies come from a self-contained program that was mostly self-taught our experience was unsettling confounding absolutely confounding Bard appeared to possess the sum of human knowledge ah with microchips more than 100 000 times faster than the human brain summarize than we asked Bard to summarize the New Testament it did in five seconds and 17 words in Latin we asked for it in Latin that took another four seconds then we played with a famous six-word short story often attributed to Hemingway for sale baby shoes never worn wow the only prompt we gave was finish this story in five seconds holy cow the shoes were a gift from my wife but we never had a baby they were from the six word prompt Bard created a deeply human tale with characters it invented including a man whose wife could not conceive and a stranger grieving after a miscarriage and longing for closure uh I am rarely speechless I don't know what to make of this give me we asked for the story in verse in five seconds there was a poem written by a machine with breathtaking insight into the mystery of faith Bard wrote she knew her baby's Soul would always be alive the humanity at superhuman speed was a shock how is this possible James mannica told us that over several months Bard read most everything on the internet and created a model of what language looks like rather than search its answers come from this language model so for example if I said to you Scott peanut butter and jelly right so it tries and learns to predict okay so peanut butter usually is followed by jelly it tries to predict the most probable next words based on everything it's learned so it's not going out to find stuff it's just predicting the next word but it doesn't feel like that we asked Bard why it helps people and it replied quote because it makes me happy barred to my eye appears to be thinking appears to be making judgments that's not what's happening these machines are not sentient they are not aware of themselves they're not sentient they're not aware of themselves they can exhibit behaviors that look like that because keep in mind they've learned from us we're sentient beings we have beings that have feelings emotions ideas thoughts perspectives we've reflected all that in books in novels in fiction so when they learn from that they build patterns from that so it's no surprise to me that the exhibitive behavior sometimes looks like maybe there's somebody behind it there's nobody there these are not sentient beings Zimbabwe born Oxford educated James manika holds a new position at Google his job is to think about how Ai and Humanity will best coexist AI has the potential to change many ways in which you've thought about Society about what we're able to do the the problems we can solve but AI itself will pose its own problems could Hemingway write a better short story maybe but Bard can write a million before Hemingway could finish one imagine that level of automation across the economy a lot of people can be replaced by this technology yes there are some job occupations that will start to decline over time they're also new job categories that will grow over time but the biggest change will be the jobs that will be changed something like more than two-thirds will have their definitions change not go away but change because they're now being assisted by Ai and by automation so this is a profound change which has implications for skills how do we assist people building new skills learn to work alongside machines and how do these complement what people do today this is going to impact every product across every company and and so that's why I think it's a very very profound technology and so we are just in early days every product in every company that's right AI will impact everything so for example you could be a radiologist you know if I if you think about five to ten years from now you're going to have a AI collaborator with you it may triage you come in the morning you let's say you have 100 things to go through it may say these are the most serious cases you need to look at first or when you're looking at something it may pop up and say you may have missed something important why won't we you know why won't we take advantage of a super powered assistant to help you across everything you do you may be a student trying to learn math or history and you know you will have something helping you we ask pachai what jobs would be disrupted he said knowledge workers people like writers accountants Architects and ironically software Engineers AI writes computer code too today Sundar pichai walks a narrow line a few employees have quit some believing that Google's AI rollout is too slow others too fast there are some serious flaws there's a return of inflation James manika asked Bart about inflation it wrote an instant essay in economics and recommended five books but days later we checked none of the books is real barred fabricated the titles this very human trait error with confidence is called in the industry hallucination are you getting a lot of hallucinations uh yes uh you know we just expected no one in the in the field as yet saw the hallucination problems all models uh do have uh this is an issue is it a solvable problem it's a matter of intense debate I think we'll make progress to help cure hallucinations Bard features a Google it button that leads to old-fashioned search Google has also built safety filters into Bard to screen for things like hate speech and bias how great a risk is the spread of disinformation AI will challenge that in a deeper way the scale of this problem is going to be much bigger bigger problems he says with fake news and fake images it will be possible with AI to create uh you know a video easily where it could be Scott saying something or me saying something and we never said that and it could look accurate but you know at a societal scale you know can cause a lot of harm is barred safe for society the baby have launched it today uh as an experiment in a limited way uh I think so but we all have to be responsible in each step along the way last month Google released an advanced version of Bard that can write software and connect to the internet Google says it's developing even more sophisticated AI models you are letting this out slowly so that Society can get used to it that's one part of it one part is also so that we get the user feedback and we can develop more robust safety layers before we build before we deploy more capable models of the AI issues we talked about the most mysterious is called emergent properties some AI systems are teaching themselves skills they weren't expected to have how this happens is not well understood for example one Google AI program adapted on its own after it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh which it was not trained to translate we discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in Bengali you can now translate all of Bengali so now all of a sudden we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages there is an aspect of this which we call all of us in the field call it as a black box you know you don't fully understand and you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong we have some ideas and our ability to understand this gets better over time but that's where the state of the art is you don't fully understand how it works and yet you've turned it loose on society yeah let me put it this way I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either was it from that black box we wondered that Bard Drew its short story that seems so disarmingly human that talked about the pain that humans feel it talked about Redemption how did it do all of those things if it's just trying to figure out what the next right word is I mean I've had these experiences uh talking with Bard as well there are two views of this you know there are a set of people who view this as look these are just algorithms they're just repeating what it's seen online then there is the view where these algorithms are showing emergent properties to be creative to reason to plan and so on right and and personally I think we need to be uh we need to approach this with humility part of the reason I think it's good that some of these Technologies are getting out is so that Society you know people like you and others can process what's happening and we begin this conversation and debate and I think it's important to do that when we come back we'll take you inside Google's artificial intelligence Labs where robots are learning the revolution in artificial intelligence is the center of a debate ranging from those who hope it will save Humanity to those who predict Doom Google lies somewhere in the optimistic middle introducing AI in steps so that Civilization can get used to it we saw what's coming next in machine learning earlier this year at Google's AI lab in London a company called Deep Mind where the future looks something like this look at that oh my goodness they've got a pretty good kick on them good game a soccer match at deepmind looks like fun and games but here's the thing humans did not program these robots to play they learned the game by themselves it's coming up with these interesting different strategies different ways to walk different ways to block and they're doing it they're scoring over and over again let's throw about here Raya hadzel vice president of research and Robotics showed us how Engineers used motion capture technology to teach the AI program how to move like a human but on the soccer pitch the robots were told only that the object was to score the self-learning programs spent about two weeks testing different moves it discarded those that didn't work built on those that did and created All-Stars there's another goal and with practice they get better Hensel told us that independent from the robots the AI program plays thousands of games from which it learns and invents its own tactics here you see that red player is going to grab it but instead it just stops it hands it back passes it back and then goes for the goal and the AI figured out how to do that on its own that's right that's right and it takes a while at first all the players just run after the ball together like a gaggle of uh you know six-year-olds the first time they're they're they're playing ball over time what we start to see is now ah what's the strategy you go after the ball I'm coming around this way or we should pass or I should block while you get to the goal so we see all of that coordination emerging in the play foreign this is a lot of fun but what are the practical implications of what we're seeing here this is the type of type of research that can eventually lead to robots that can come out of the factories and work in other types of human environments you know think about mining think about dangerous construction work or exploration or Disaster Recovery Raya hadsall is among 1 000 humans at deepmind the company was co-founded just 12 years ago by CEO Dennis hassabus so if I think back to 2010 and we started nobody was doing AI there was nothing going on in Industry people used to eye roll when we talk to them investors about doing AI so we couldn't we could barely get two cents together to start off with which isn't crazy if you think about now the billions being invested into AI startups and Cambridge Harvard MIT hasabis has degrees in computer science and Neuroscience his PhD is in human imagination and imagine this when he was 12 in his age group he was the number two chess champion in the world it was through games that he came to AI I've been working on AI for for decades now and I've always believed that it's going to be the most important invention that Humanity will ever make will the pace of change outstrip our ability to adapt I don't think so I think that we um you know we're sort of an infinitely adaptable species um you know you look at today us using all of our smartphones and other devices and we effortlessly sort of adapt to these new technologies and this is going to be another one of those changes like that among the biggest changes her Deep Mind was the discovery that self-learning machines can be creative so this is uh asaba showed us a game playing program that learns it's called Alpha zero and it dreamed up a winning chess strategy no human had ever seen but this is just a machine how does it achieve creativity it plays against itself tens tens of millions of times so it can explore parts of Chess that maybe human chess players and and programmers who program chess computers haven't thought about before it never gets tired it never gets hungry it just plays chess all the time yes it's it's kind of amazing thing to see because actually you set off for zero in the morning and it starts off playing randomly by lunchtime you know it's able to beat me and beat most chess players and then by the evening it's stronger than the world champion demo sasaba's soul deepmind to Google in 2014 one reason was to get his hands on this Google has the enormous computing power that AI needs this Computing Center is in Pryor Oklahoma but Google has 23 of these putting it near the top in computing power in the world this is one of two advances that make AI ascendant now first the sum of all human knowledge is online and second Brute Force Computing that very Loosely approximates the neural networks and talents of the brain things like memory imagination planning reinforcement learning these are all things that are known about how the brain does it and we wanted to replicate some of that in our AI systems you predict one of those those are some of the elements that led to deepmind's greatest achievements so far solving an impossible problem in biology proteins are building blocks of life but only a tiny fraction were understood because 3D mapping of just one could take years deepmind created an AI program for the protein problem and set it Loose well it took us about four or five years to to figure out how to build the system it was probably our most complex project we've ever undertaken but once we did that it can solve a protein structure in a matter of seconds and actually over the last year we did all the 200 million proteins that are known to science how long would it have taken using traditional methods well the rule of thumb I was always told by my biologist friends is that it takes a whole PhD five years to do one protein structure experimentally so if you think 200 million times five that's a billion years a PhD time it would have taken deepmind made its protein database public a gift to humanity hasabis called it how has it been used it's been used in an enormously broad number of ways actually from malaria vaccines to developing new enzymes that can eat plastic waste to a new antibiotics most AI systems today do one or maybe two things well the soccer robots for example can't write up a grocery list or book your travel or drive your car the ultimate goal is what's called artificial general intelligence a learning machine that can score on a wide range of talents would such a machine be conscious of itself so that's another great question we you know philosophers haven't really settled on a definition of Consciousness yet but if we mean by sort of self-awareness and these kinds of things um you know I think there's a possibility AIS one day could be I definitely don't think they are today um but I think again this is one of the fascinating scientific things we're going to find out on this journey towards AI even unconscious current AI is superhuman in narrow ways back in California we saw Google Engineers teaching skills that robots will practice continuously on their own push the blue cube to the blue triangle they comprehend instructions push the yellow hexagon to the yellow heart and learn to recognize objects what would you like how about an apple how about an apple on my way I will bring an apple to you we're trying Vincent vanook senior director of Robotics showed us how robot 106 was trained on millions of images I am going to pick up the apple and can recognize all the items on a crowded countertop if we can't give the robot A diversity of experiences a lot more different objects in different settings the robot gets better at every one of them now that humans have pulled the forbidden fruit of artificial knowledge thank you we start the Genesis of a new Humanity AI can utilize all the information in the world what no human could ever hold in their head and I wonder if humanity is diminished by this enormous capability that we're developing I think the possibility of AI do not diminish Humanity in any way in fact in some ways I think they actually raise us to even deeper more profound questions Google's James manika sees this moment as an inflection point I think we're constantly adding these superpowers or capabilities to what humans can do in a way that expands possibilities as opposed to narrow them I think so I don't think of it as diminishing humans but it does raise some really profound questions for us who are we what do we value uh what are we good at how do we relate with each other those become very very important questions that are constantly going to be in one case sounds exciting but perhaps unsettling too it is an unsettling moment critics argue the rush to AI comes too fast while competitive pressure among giants like Google and startups you've never heard of is propelling Humanity into the Future Ready or Not but I think if I take a 10-year Outlook it is so clear to me we will have some form of very capable intelligence that can do amazing things and we need to adapt as a society for it you know Google CEO Sundar pichai told us Society must quickly adapt with regulations for AI in the economy laws to punish abuse and treaties among nations to make AI safe for the world you know these are deep questions and you know we call this alignment you know one way we think about how do you develop AI systems that are aligned to human values and including morality this is why I think the development of this needs to include not just engineers but social scientists ethicists philosophers and so on and I think we have to be very thoughtful and I think these are all things Society needs to figure out as we move along it's not for a company to decide we'll end with a note that had never appeared on 60 Minutes but one in the AI Revolution you may be hearing often the proceeding was created with 100 percent human content you probably know David Byrne as the lead singer and songwriter of Talking Heads the hugely influential post-punk Rock Band of the late 1970s and 80s they broke up more than 30 years ago but Byrne has been on his own eclectic Journey ever since his artistic Innovations have blurred the boundaries of Music Theater and art he's won an Oscar a Grammy and a Tony toured with salsa singers collaborated with neuroscientists made movies and this summer his musical about the former first lady of the Philippines Imelda Marcos opens on Broadway David Byrne is 71 and as we first told you earlier this year he is as creative energetic and unusual as he was when he was 23 an art school dropout just starting to perform on stage with his friends as Talking Heads the name of this band is Talking Heads and the name of this song is psycho killer so I wanted to be very matter of fact but it's not like are we having fun tonight yeah there's no there's none of that how you do all doing how y'all doing New York [Music] this is one of David Byrne's first performances it was 1975 at cbgb's a legendary music Club where the Ramones Patty Smith and Blondie were also just getting started Psycho Killer was only the second song David Byrne had ever ridden and it was Talking Heads first head when you hear it now what do you think I'm I'm glad I did it but I'm also glad that I didn't stick with that as by oh like oh this is working let's do more like this I'm glad that I decided no now you have to do things that are a little more original musically [Music] exactly what he did along with Tina Weymouth Chris Franz and Jerry Harrison Talking Heads put out eight albums over the next 13 years [Music] covered with flowers they were edgy groundbreaking critically acclaimed and a commercial hit melding rock with funk disco afrobeat and the avant-garde [Music] they'd all studied art in college and it showed in their music videos which were in heavy rotation on MTV [Music] [Applause] [Music] Burr's quirky movements and manner got most of the attention same as it ever was which was not always easy for the introverted singer Dick Clark tried to ask him about it on American Bandstand in 1979. are you a shy person I'd say so it seems contradictory to a lot of people the introvert who winds up on the stage in front of thousands of people performing and reaching Great Heights it does seem contradictory but in retrospect it makes perfect sense your way of announcing Your Existence and communicating your thoughts to people is through performance and then I could Retreat into my shell after that but I had made myself known to these people and what I was thinking what I was feeling so when that's your only option it's a lifesaver David Byrne's shyness goes way back he was born in Scotland but his family moved to Baltimore when he was eight his accent was so thick classmates could barely understand him he was an outsider happier making music at home in his basement with a reel-to-reel tape recorder than hanging out with other kids my discomfort with kind of social situations meant as often happens I would focus intently on my drawings or learning to place other people's songs or things like that and that continued for ages and you'd come Ultra focused so that becomes a well kind of superpower [Music] Ultra Focus may be a superpower but it caused problems between burn and the band that flared up on tour in 1983. [Music] kind of obsessive about getting that show up and running I might not have been the most pleasant person to deal with at that point demanding yes yes [Music] burn commanded Center Stage famously wearing this outrageously oversized suit [Music] the show was made into a film by director Jonathan Demi called stopped making sense it's considered one of the greatest concert movies ever [Music] [Applause] Talking Heads made three more albums but burn was increasingly branching out on his own as I became more relaxed as a person started writing different kinds of songs songs that maybe weren't quite as angst written and peculiar some fans were probably disappointed you know we liked the the really quirky guy or we like the guy who was really struggling with himself and really having a hard time I thought why would you wish that on me for your own Amusement right [Music] in 1988 he founded a world music label [Music] then released an album of Latin songs and wrote music for films dance companies and experimental theater I genuinely started having other kind of musical interests you'd start to collaborate with a lot of artists from different genres yes and I thought I want to do more of that and by then it was pretty much over there was never an official announcement but eventually Byrne made an offhand comment to a reporter that Talking Heads had broken up he neglected it seems to tell the band members of the band said that you never actually talked to them and said that the ban was over that they read about it in her newspaper I don't know if that's the case but well it might be I think it is very possible that I did not handle it as best as I could [Music] burn never looked back and he's followed his own beat ever since no matter how offbeat it may be ten years ago burn staged a pop Opera in collaboration with Fat Boy Slim called here lies love it's about of all people Imelda Marcos the wife of the former dictator of the Philippines it's now scheduled to open on Broadway this summer very cool when he became fascinated with high school color guard teams in 2015 he wound up staging Arena shows combining the team's flag spinning weapon tossing and dance to the pop music of Nelly Furtado and Saint Vincent I thought oh this is just going to be highlighting their talent and putting people together who would never normally be together and it wasn't until I saw the show and I realized this is not about this at all what it's really delivering is this message about inclusion that's what this is about they kind of revealed it but isn't that extraordinary that you can start doing something with one thing in mind and yet it it has a life of its own I trust what I do and what other people do that way that it's going to deliver what it wants to say but someone else looking at it could go what are you talking about you don't know what you're doing you don't know why you're doing it you don't know where it's going to end up well I just kind of trust it yeah he is a small studio in his New York City Apartment where he Tinkers with lyrics and new ideas much like he did all those years ago in his parents basement first stands it sounds like it might be promising do you stop and kind of ruminate on things and come back to it and yeah I might see if I get like a chorus or something I might try like a chorus stood by me when darkness fell my apartment is my friends that's the key line so that's got to be pretty good burn is the quintessential New Yorker he's lived in the city for five decades and it's not uncommon to see him pedaling around on his bicycle he is it seems always on the Move always exploring oh yeah his downtown office is lined with books records and odd mementos he's picked up here and there this wonderful wine from Turkmenistan hidden amid the Clutter there's a Grammy and his 1988 Oscar for composing the soundtrack for the film The Last Emperor it's not on the lowest shelf I mean David really does the academy know about this you know when you go into somebody's office and they have all their Awards yes it's a whole framed all around them or magazine covers you don't have an ego wall oh yeah office is where he runs reasons to be cheerful oh that could be nice another online magazine highlighting Creative Solutions to complex problems from Reinventing food banks in Chicago to Turning French parking lots into solar Farms so are there reasons to be cheerful oh yeah yeah yeah if you get up in the morning and start Doom scrolling through your phone or your tablet or laptop or whatever you're going to think no no no no no no world's going to hell on a hand basket but uh there are people in places organizations doing things that are really making a difference finding solutions to things who am I what do I want how do I work this that optimism infused a hit Broadway show burn created and starred in called American Utopia [Music] it's actually like the performance branch of reasons to be cheerful this is really about Hope and possibility and what how we can work together as people [Music] [Applause] he mixed his old songs with new ones Fern wanted the musicians to be completely untethered [Music] freely around the stage it was less a Broadway musical more a raucous Revival [Music] [Applause] this amazing feeling when music like that is all around you when there's a whole group of people who are making the music it's not just like one soloist or something like that it's this Collective thing that gives it this extra energy [Applause] Burns latest theatrical experience may be his most unusual yet it's an interactive journey into his past called theater of the Mind produced in collaboration with the Denver Center for Performing Arts audience members get random name tags and are LED on a semi-autobiographical tour of burns memories like this outer proportion kitchen makes anyone in it feel like a child do this with me hold your hand in front of your face the show is full of surprises the audience takes part in some of them based on Neuroscience experiments we agreed not to give them away but they make you question your own perception and perhaps your memories it is dark in here you know theater of the Mind ends in a replica of his parents attic like Burn's life the show tells a story about how over time our identities are malleable and how we all have the capacity to change we're never stuck you can change the story anytime isn't that nice I like that idea that you can change your story you can change the narrative it would be a horrible world if people never changed for their entire life or they were they were an angry person or an upset person or a depressed person and it's like that's your fate but that's not true do you think you've changed that much I feel like yeah I'm a very different person than I was when I was young were you conscious of of those changes sometimes my friends would say you're really different than what you used to be when I first met you you're a really different person now by the way were they saying that in a nice way or was that being yelled out of the top of their lungs it was a nice way it was like wow you've really changed the stories behind hit songs from Talking Heads it was inspired by Alice Cooper and Randy Newman at 60 minutes overtime.com I'm Anderson Cooper we'll be back next week with another edition of 60 minutes foreign [Music]

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Published: Wed Jun 14 2023