58. The Nightman Cometh (with Lin-Manuel Miranda & Cormac Bluestone!) | The Always Sunny Podcast

foreign [Music] foreign [Music] foreign [Music] musical scenery sounding like phrasings like that's very like sondheimer I think what which is like this little chord I I don't know I mean I don't know enough about music to know but I feel like this is like I saw him in the woods oh yeah laughs standing alone in the woods did he see you Carol no I tried to look his way but he turned and said goodbye [Music] I'm sure we'll meet again one day but how maybe I will pass them on the subway and he'll look my way but he's blind maybe he can smell me or he'll sense me but he also lost his nose in the war then he'll rub up and he'll feel me [Music] but he lost his sense of feel see it ain't that hard come on come on to a beautiful song [Music] uh now who are you who am I have we started we have a God here we have this guy here right here we have a guy here now it's Jimmy deuts he's Jimmy Doyle from season one that's right and season is that what it was seven it was seven it was seven French little Beauties because Mac was fat can we can we see cormic's face or is this mic too high I want to make sure we're getting all that that beautiful there you go there we go you got it yeah president composer that's Always Sunny in Philadelphia yes Long Time Pal I'm so excited to be here for I I just gotta say that I'm so excited to finally meet you [ __ ] me yeah you uh and I just I you know it's just I I never thought I'd be in the room with like the three of you again just like with the pandemic and everything and so much has changed so but you never thought we'd be in a room together again yeah yeah yeah I don't want to tell you but uh their odds were late that's really that yeah since we've established you wouldn't be Charlie because he's the the healthiest did we we did we did I won out right the competition you get all the points we are here today to talk about the nightman cometh yes which um I had forgotten to watch until this morning I was like all right actually me too I did the same thing I forgot and I was like oh [ __ ] I need to uh and I have to say I thought I just knew it all I was like well I know it so well but there are lots of surprises in there again I think one of the best episodes we've done I think fans have reacted to it in that way let me give just a little information about it just so you know um of course everybody knows there is structure we do have more we do have a tiny bit we forget about it but there is structure to the podcast yeah right Megan has insisted you have such a good job on this thing it's already hard to get her head through the door okay well uh nyman cometh is season four episode 13 it aired on November 20th 2008 which means next year around this time it'll be 15 years since it aired uh it was written by Charlie Day Glenn Howerton and Rob mcelhenney and directed by Matt shackman and music composed by Cormac Bluestone and Charlie in so many ways it feels like it was yesterday I feel like we just shot that I have so many memories of shooting that episode and it was 15 years ago but I want to talk about how that thing begins unless you guys have got something else you want to put on the table how the episode begins or or how how we conceived of it both because they're connected uh yes yes they are the way the episode begins you know I'm in the uh in the back room and you hear me start singing a song like come one come on for a to a beautiful to a beautiful show it's gonna be awesome some other musical stuff and then you guys are icing me out and then it's a whole conversation of why would you write a musical just to write a musical who is it against what's the uh who's the mark and of course ultimately it there is a ulterior motive in the episode but that came out of the fact do you guys remember we were trying to break this episode we had a whole there's a whole other storyline that got broken yeah we decided to we were kicking around like they were trying to like break into a bank or something for a specific reason and the musical was a distraction while they were well jumping back and forth doing this other thing the other version of it was that there was a rival bar there was a bar that that we had some kind of a prank war that's what it was going with and they had pulled some kind of a prank on us and we were going to pull the ultimate prank bike but we needed them out of their bar and in order to do that we created a musical and that we were all in the musical because that would prove that like we couldn't have done what they're saying we did because we were all on stage and then we were going to do a whole thing we're like whenever any someone was off stage they'd be going over to the Rival bar to like so that was the ulterior motive and then and and we were sort of obsessed with this idea of like well we can't just do a musical for no reason like there's got to be some other reason why we're doing it so then we just decided Well let's just write that in I I never knew that about what that other story but just like as I've been thinking about this episode so many things like fold in on itself because I don't know if you guys remember when we did the tour of nightman cometh we showed an episode during that tour and it was the gang reignites the Rivalry which sounds like that storyline yeah you're right I never put that together I never thought about that because I do think that we had always had this thing in mind of like we should have some kind of a rivalry with like a younger bar you know and yeah I never put that together that no storyline gets wasted yeah one season it goes on a card and then it comes out eventually it gets recycled yeah around to it eventually yeah yeah I was um delighted with all the rehearsal scenes before the play so I think what I really remembered from the episode was the play and the performance but the rehearsals was like yeah because we changed a lot of it I think what's what's probably seared into our memories more than anything is the live shows because that's the most recent stuff that we did even though it wasn't that far removed from shooting the episode you know we we have there was a whole song uh there's a whole uh nightman song that we had to cut from the episode because the episode was just too long we had to lose some stuff that uh made its way into the live show uh it's nature [ __ ] happens as well uh troll in my hole oh right there was it right right there was a whole thing at the end where no the transformation we wrote that song for the tour because we just felt we were short when we first had to perform it's the opening opening song right where I'm like where I'm he's like do you like your voice in it like you jump up this way I got a troll in my home if we could find those [Music] [Applause] I gotta try to try hole [Applause] [Music] my whole of an apartment [Music] I control your soul that's my department everywhere there's [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] that's my department everywhere there's [Music] some more he's got a troll in his home I would love to hear from your perspective like what what your journey was for that like what was the first time we contacted you what was the first piece of information you were given did we give you a script have you written music before our show before this episode never had written music wait what I've never written I've never watched TV before right no but you hadn't written music I've never picked up before the guitar yeah I'd never written for sunny it was my first thing and uh I've written music I mean yeah I was totally writing musical theater and Charlie came to a show I'd been doing a show in for years in New York and when I moved to LA I brought kind of the best of it and Charlie saw the show and he was like uh it was you know bar Hoppers yeah you're like is that before you knew each other no this is okay we knew each other this was in LA like at the Saint Nick's Pub oh my God Saint Nick and uh Charlie after the show I was like oh that was really good you know we're about to do this musical episode we were I don't you did not mean it this way but you're like we were going to hire a professional but we should hire you that sounds like something Charlie you know because I knew you I think you guys had written the script you were in pre-production for it and uh you talked to these two and uh sent me a script and uh you're like coming tomorrow coming to Fox and we'll sit down and go through everything and I was like okay I gotta take my shot I wrote drafts of all the music and then I came in and I recorded it on a CD and then you and me sat in a room for I don't know four or five hours and kind of took all our ideas and mashed them together I think I had like loose versions of some of the songs you had really strong ideas like like I listened to them I'm like this was all like little boy tiny boy little boy you were like oh it's got to be song timing I was like it needs a little form well how do you guys how do you guys know each other uh Williamstown uh summer of 1997 and where all of your friends come from where all my friends come from yes two apprentices and yeah and horns people say that same stuff Hornsby um yeah um and then right after uh like when I first moved to the city I had an apartment on my own for a year and then with a with another buddy and then the year after I lived on cormac's floor for uh as long as they possibly could until they got rid of me uh get out it's like there was a lot of that with you too well it was a studio apartment too it's like a room and a bathroom yeah and uh so this dude in a sleeping bag on a wood floor McCormick we did a lot of jamming out a lot of writing funny songs together I've played we we've played a lot of music together yeah played a lot of music together so yeah when we were doing it I I'm sure in my mind I was like yeah if Cormac wants to come on and help sort of arrange these in a way that like I have a limitation I'm like I can do some chords and be like here's a Melody now what are the nine other parts doing do you remember like you know in terms of the the songs and what they were about and some of the lyrics I mean we were involved in some of that right like in the because it was because we were writing the episode together so but but I don't remember how much how involved we Rob and I were in the in the conceiving of the lyrics of the songs I don't know if we I don't remember any of that because I would imagine a lot because it's all tied in right like I mean there's a dialogue backstage about like you know you're going for gasp and that's all I remember talking about the the subjects of the songs and then they would go off and I remember uh us coming up with and talking about just to be clear yeah well we were trying to figure out what would be a fun song for D yeah and just coming across that yeah she would just write it just yeah literally right which I definitely remember also um a few years later the bird that's that's how the birds of war was is the same idea which is yeah do a song and then make the song about clarifying what the song is actually about yeah he's clarifying what you mean by the song yeah yeah that song I love and also in a similar vein the very first song that Charlie was referring to that he comes out singing um come one Kamal to a beautiful show was that scripted or was that just you making that description uh I I think the script was you came out and said I wrote a musical yeah I think so yeah I think that was like yeah I think I think on the day you felt like it needed more Pizzazz yeah yeah and so you you just died yeah um but um a couple things wait uh I'm eating because I'm uncomfortable yeah is that an improv that was an improv right or was that scripted that's like my favorite line yeah a lot of baby Snickers stuff in there yeah baby Snicker run but I don't know if that was in the lot just in the live show or there was a baby Snickers run in the episode that we cut yeah there's a lot in the episode I was watching last night that I thought I thought was I thought there was more in the episode yeah actually yes and a lot of it we cut out and put into gag reels a lot of it was just in the live show and so I have this hazy memory of what the episode was and it wasn't one of the things I love is just how straight all those rehearsal scenes are played yeah no I'm obviously bouncing off the walls but not in a comedic way and it's just like purely angry way yeah like and you guys it's all very natural and very small yeah I like that too yeah we all are are all like we're not playing it for life it's just like a genuine confusion about the boy's Soul Thing and whether this whether the scene is about a rape and yeah you know like it's it's all yeah it's all played very grounded yeah the uh Dennis can you take a five just a little detail of how you're holding your hand when you're doing that feels so specific I'd like you to take a five five I don't know why I remember I remember working on that there were so many different versions of that where we just kept going back and forth with like a five five a five only yeah yeah all five all five yeah yeah please be gone for five five of the minutes there's so many specifics there in those rehearsal scenes though that feel like they're taken from you know like the kind of people that you meet in Small Town Theater like that type like Artemis please do not speak to the talent also that's what it was detail about Artemis when you say I could have Artemis do the song in her head and she is so ready to do it yeah just that look you know she's dying to be in the play no you that was that was a big impetus behind wanting to do this episode was wanting to mess around with the Dynamics of Community Theater like having all come from theater we were like let's let's do a thing where we get to insert some of the things that we remember from sort of the corniness of like I remember that's where the gum bit came from too we're like are you are you chewing gum and it's like he said no gum you know what I mean like the teacher's pet was always like he said yeah no he said no God yeah yeah also um yeah those were often done with just someone playing a piano like that was there was no like orchestras yeah and the woman that we got Gladys who plays Gladys who then Dennis recruited to play his grandmother in the Dennis system same actress yeah but she came on and just started improving and just talking about it whatever she was saying and yeah it's in the bloopers yeah it was unbelievable those bloopers yeah those are always just fun this is Gladys she's gonna be playing the piano instead of me tonight yes and I will live through the Coolidge Administration and I never thought that I would ever be at my 99 years of age being with such beautiful people okay I love that all right now she knows all the songs everything's fine why no why there's a little last minute video that happens okay and so Gladys can you just get out there and get us started please I'll try yeah well don't try just do okay you've been sniffing at me all morning time I can't do this okay oh I've been through the Coolidge Administration but I never thought it my 99 years of age I would be with such beautiful people okay glad we don't have time for like this time don't know how much fun I played Gladys she was born on May 13 1909 and she started her acting career at the age of 93. and the the absolute Pinnacles are flipping through the pages when D sings her own song and saying what is happening what is happening best delivery of one of our most iconic lines that we've written into a thousand episodes what is happening it's our favorite line and she no one has ever delivered it better than she did yeah yeah yeah I don't think typically Iceberg um she was amazing descending on a son I stole that from Sweet and Low Down where Sean Penn descends on a moon and there's a great sequence where you know he he wants to you know he's making this big deal about like he's going to descend on this Moon and then he gets like he's really proud of it and then the stagehand comes by and he's like that's a hell of a drop man could break his neck you know and then he gets like nervous in his his descend is so like but I I was watching that because I couldn't remember if we if I did drop down or if I didn't cut away but we like cut away and we could cut away so quick yeah but now that we do we're coming down on it you see it for like a half a shot I think you're strapped to it so you had to cut yeah get unstrapped and then come on that's what it was a technical thing so remember there was a big debate about uh whether we would sing this live while recording it or we would lip sync to pre-recorded versions of the song right that was one of my first things I think I said when I came on because I had so much experience and stuff I was like we got to do it live and it was so funny when we did it uh it's just so much harder to do it live no one ever does it our playback guy on the episode we gotta have a click track you gotta have got to make sure that the rhythm is the same and everything those hair pieces are really expensive too it's tough so editing wise yeah the playback guy he had a couple Emmys he did like the scrubs musical The Drew Carey Musical and he kept saying to me what are you guys doing you do the pre-records and you lip sync this is ridiculous during editing I was getting calls like they don't know what to do with any of this how does this all go together blah blah blah what we cut together was a mixture yeah of of us singing live when we were filming and the pre-recorded stuff as I recall we we spent a tremendous amount of time well they built like a little tremendous amount of time like yeah yeah but the the the live performance aspect of it is what makes it so funny like if it was polished yeah it wouldn't be funny it's the fact that it's unpolished and you know people are singing off key and like in those musicals they that you're talking about the episode itself becomes a musical versus right so the scrubs for example yeah and you'd need that to be polished and we've done versions of that on this particular show but this where you're putting on a performance you have to do it live right I think otherwise it's every single it seems well I think these were the exact conversations we were having yeah we're professional you know that's right [Music] have you figured out that first Christmas present yet well look no further than doubt that's right down there at your underwear are you telling us to give people our underwear as a gift because that seems no I'm saying get get them a new pair from me undies could I get some of my current onions if they are me undies why why would you even ask that well because of my experience me and these are the absolute snuggliest most comfortable undies in the game maybe I'm 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you can go to byracon.com Sunny to get 20 off or you could you could save even bigger and get 30 off raycon's exclusive holiday bundles that's byracon.com Sunny for 20 off your raycon purchase buy raycon.com sunny foreign [Music] my little black Sailors cap that I wear is a homage to uh when I was in college and I decided I want to start doing plays there was a theater Club not a program there's like a club and they did plays in like a church basement and the guy who ran it was a guy named Tom Kirkman and uh he like he used to be a priest but he wasn't priest anymore and uh or maybe he still was I don't know but um lovely guy I really appreciate him putting me in plays and and you know but he always wore like a little Sailors cap like that was like his thing and he wore boots and he would go he would breathe through his teeth like after rehearsal and he would go that was [Laughter] that was his style anyway it's not the story Fizzles out but a little a little tipped old Tom Kirkman so I owe him a set of gratitude how about troll toll where did that come from well both trotto and tiny baby boy came a little bit from the musical I used to do with Hornsby Paperboy uh so up at Williamstown Hornsby and I used to improv this musical about a Paperboy movie and Tiny Boy was Loosely based on a song called like happy thoughts that he and his or kind of funny thoughts he like starts he gets a girlfriend he's having kind of funny thoughts and then the song gets darker and darker where they're like you know like maybe we could also get a ski mask and rob a bank and kind of funny thoughts you know and then like we'll shoot the clerk they're like yeah let's shoot the cleric and you know uh is playing against like a sweet song and then troll tall was same like where he Jimmy The Paperboy winds up in a bad part of town and he's just like oh it's homeless people who uh was the first one who realized that hole and soul when boys hole and boys Soul who who put that together first that's all in all sounds I think I I remember us talking about that in the writer's room for sure that was definitely something that uh yeah that was like a big laugh in the in the writer's room seems like a martyr and Rose out there that is such a funny one I mean that I mean I I I you watch this episode it's like one of those episodes you're like this is from that episode this is from that episode this is from it's just like wall to wall the jokes um the songs musical it's great but like there's just so much from this episode the audience that we had in there I believe we discussed this before Oh my God who was that audience wasn't an audience of people who had no and they never heard of the show seen the show they thought maybe they were there to watch a play an actual play I don't know but we I don't think we warned them we just did it and I think there was a lot of confusion yeah a lot nobody found it funny imagine if you had no context for what it was that you were about to watch and then all of a sudden uh that was the play that was presented to you yeah I think we did run it from start to finish right yeah so we just over and over we've just performed the play and then it is what it is and then we did pickups later and we shot it like like a live show basically yeah and then we went in for coverage and shot each moment and each scene like we would in a normal episode that was all shots I recall those cat eyes like you can't see a goddamn thing yeah in the live show you just painted your eyelids that's right because you can't see with those cat eyes you can't see anything and they they they're just scratching your eyes you couldn't see through them so you they give you just a tiny little eye hole so you can kind of get this out but really it just feels like it moves around yeah it moves around and it feels like it's just scratching your eye the whole time so I remember when we did troll told yeah I'd written this like little bass line that you came in with and you're like and you had to talk and snap at the same time you're struggling with that I remember oh I'm sure talk and snap but also you you wanted him to snap but don't yes and I was like in between and you were doing yeah but what's so great about Cormac is so patient he's so patient so for an hour I I'm I'm trying to do this thing and he's like you're doing great you're doing great there's no way I'm doing great after an hour and Glenn just like well that's so funny because I remember every time I saw him start I'd be off stage like going really big yeah are your stage here I am 14 years later I realized you couldn't see me I'm just like the crew no but just knowing you were there made me feel better also you you had to write like that's so funny I remember you writing that whole bomb and then you had to do a very specific thing just to get Danny into the song which was like like here is coming your time to start singing I do remember that yeah because he never knew when to come in well I remember I'd written like a draft of troll told it was this loungy thing and you're like no no no it's got to be like like and I was like oh yeah we're doing this for Danny and I was like oh it's like a little Blues thing but of course it just put all the onus on Danny like like so many of the songs are just lyrically lyric lyric lyric you know it's just like jam-packed wall-to-wall uh but yeah he on the tour every night he would hit that but we've had the whole band like just guys four and everyone just go one two three well I want to get into all the music because as as you point out Cormac this there's so much in this episode to get to and um to that end I was really nervous that I wouldn't ask all the questions so like a big fan of this episode uh would ask so are you guys ready for the super fantastic questions all right uh we'll just bring out our our Super Fan um lin-manuel Miranda [Music] oh man wow wow holy [ __ ] are you familiar with musicals oh my goodness gracious do you have any sort of sense long time first time happy to be here um yes I love this episode um and I have so many questions I'm so glad we have a composer here too wait we have to talk about you for a minute no no really I have to talk about you for a minute uh so I saw Hamilton we were talking about Hamilton yes yesterday yes yes it was so exciting we were talking about it yesterday and I was looking over at Megan was like oh this is gonna be so nice I had no idea you were going to be here and I was saying like like he didn't see it without lin-manuel playing you didn't see the music and so I'm there we're in New York we're watching the play and like I'm looking at at you and you're like performing I'm like I feel like this dude's looking right at me but I'm like he can't he can't he can't see me he can't see me no I took my cat eye lenses out man and then when uh it came time for the bow you were doing the bow and the whole place going nuts I was blown away as of course and you you point at me and Mary Elizabeth and you go holy [ __ ] Charlie in the waitress yeah you said it during he's like said it in the battles like on stage everybody else and other people there on my way and I was like oh Charlie in the waitress yeah yeah yeah come on stage and then we went backstage and we saw you and you were amazing and and uh you loved Jon Bon Jovi waiting that guy underwear I think that's who it was yeah it should turn bovine yeah you know Obama everyone had to wait if I had more presence of mind I would have turned to you and said I was that baby boy baby boy it was me well so that's right is that right now I came to thank you for all the inspiration yeah well uh the nice thing about you being here Lynn is that you can answer once and for all um does anyone write a musical for no reason uh or is it always versus yeah it's always versus what's the con the long con for Hamilton and it was a six-year grift um no um who were you writing that verses I guess Jefferson I wanted to ask you guys about your history with theater and musical theater because I know for me it was like that was the place where I found any crust of cool in high school and it was the place like where like I could exist outside my grade and I could exist like you could collaborate on something that was not just like the drudgery and horror of high school right and uh so I was wondering and then you know you guys have chops I was watching the live episode on the way here and the whole inside my apartment bonus song where you're just like wailing like yeah Freddie Mercury like you guys have to have done musicals at school I did a lot of musicals yeah I want to hear the entire biologist yeah I did a bunch of like really random musicals that most people have never heard of I did a musical called uh star mites oh wow do you know this it's like that's like a very cult flop music yeah yeah I don't know it I did a music called celebration was written by the same uh team that wrote uh the Fantastics the Henrik and A Little Night Music oh [ __ ] um that was by far the hardest yeah I I ever because I had to I had to play the cello while singing an extraordinarily difficult song yeah but sometimes like I was playing the cello along and I was like oh my God yeah it was it was it was crushingly difficult um yeah they're so much harder than uh the nightmare cometh much harder though yeah and Charlie what's your musical background because to me your musical background these things just make sense to me okay which is one of the best some of my parents are music teachers yeah my mom taught like kindergarten through eighth grade and my dad like I was a college professor and um growing up I remember my mom doing some Productions of of she she put on like HMS pinafore and the Mikado and um and The Whiz and I was too young to be in these things but I remember like the eighth grade kids were doing these plays and I would see them so I was introduced to it then in second grade we did uh sorry when you say she put on she was like the musical director of the school so like you know she was a music teacher like you know you're going to Mrs day's class for kindergarten through eighth grade yeah so then uh uh I did a I did James the Giant Peach and we did a musical version and I sang that song like smiled all your heart is breaking or whatever yeah it's the first time I like had to like sit and like do a song and then I didn't do [ __ ] until High School my senior year which I did South Pacific but you were playing but you were playing music I mean you were oh yeah I started like I kind of rebelled against it and then like once I got out of high school I picked up the guitar I started writing little things and then you started that wasn't your first instrument you were you playing like yeah I had some piano lessons which I ditched at 10 I played trombone trombone and then I dis trombone and then uh I picked up the guitar and I sort of have to learn that and then back to the piano but um then I get to college and I do um Sean Himes into the woods yeah and I I'm just like the guy who goes like the slotted spoon can catch the potato were you the narrator nope just like a guy like just a guy yeah uh but then I started like do you remember the Bravo Channel like um of course before it was all this reality show they would play plays yeah and then they had into the woods on there a lot it was like on a lot and I would like get home after like hanging out my buddies and I'd make myself like a gin and tonic and I would watch like into the woods into the woods I was like God this is so good I didn't think I liked this before and I really like it now and so I don't know is that like I've had a long relationship with musicals but also never really been a part of them like never done one professionally yeah don't have a huge desire to kind of like like and don't like them yeah that's what most people's relationships can we talk about Stephen Sondheim for a second because um I I he's been referenced so many times on this podcast we talked about him yesterday I know he was a friend of yours a mentor of yours wait uh you knew him yeah oh God and he he just passed this past year past November yeah you're well um and I I think our audience would probably I don't know how how big a fans of musicals our audience is but I I know Stephen Sondheim only from what I've heard about him from you guys and I've watched musicals my whole life but I never realized what a like massive uh piece of musical theater Stephen Sondheim has like given to this culture correct he was like he's yeah I don't know what the analog would be in another it would be like Scorsese for film or it would be Spielberg for film like he just redefined it on his terms and the crazy thing about one of the most remarkable things I think about Stephen sondheim's career is that his mentor was Oscar Hammerstein II like adopt not like only Mentor but adopted dad his his mom dropped him off at Oscar Hammerstein's house they were neighbors and he was just like I don't want to leave don't make me go back to my mom can I hang out with you and he always said if Hammerstein were a butcher I'd be a butcher um so he's mentored by like half of Rogers and Hammerstein but his shows are totally different you know Roger Hammerstein wrote like Oklahoma and South Pacific and these Sound of Music like these very like wholesome you know it kind of defined what musical theater was but they were also these very naturalistic musicals and Sondheim took that and wrote Sweeney Todd about a homicidal Barber or a presidential assassin Musical and he just you know I I think the the lesson of sondheim's career is one first of all it's like variety like he never repeated himself and two he just never he always just kind of took what you would say is like that can't be a musical and he would turn that into like the best musical um which of course brings us back to the nightmare it coincides with like the 70s just in general like what film was doing you know where you have like the movies of the 50s and you have a lot of Happy Endings or you know a much more kind of big polished thing and then in the 70s people start being like actually the guys just go on a motorcycle ride across the country and then they're shot to death you know what I mean I think it it really is was a reflection of who he was one of the things Oscar told him in one of his early musicals he started showing us skirt stuff when he was like 15 years old was you're trying to write like me don't write like me if you write what interests you like you'll be ahead of everybody else that was his big advice to young Stephen Sondheim how do you feel about that I mean do you do you do you probably agree with that sentiment sentiment clearly man I know that that that for us was always our guiding principle was you know let's just do what we think is is funny and hope that other people like it you know because it's our best shot at making something original since there's only us you know we're the only people that could conceive of something that only we can conceive of so let's do that yeah to bring it back to the night man cometh and you're talking about pursuing just kind of what you love and and making that to keep things original what's interesting to me about this is it's a musical that you guys made and you usually I imagine you Workshop musicals in front of audience so you have some idea of how they're gonna hit once you get to like the big venues but you guys made and recorded a musical and released it to the world and it's fully finished form the only way that it will ever exist and I have a follow-up question about this because it also emerged on what looks like the most insane Chicken Scratch pile on a paper and then gets translated by Artemis into English so I'm curious well I'm curious how you guys Workshop the musical among yourselves like how do you find well boys hole boys I mean the beauty of what we're doing is like you have an absolute bailout parachute with a joke right which means we don't have to do anything in Earnest which means that we can fall right flat on our face like yeah sure there's a piece of me that is always like yeah I'd like to write a musical that'd be fun I don't have the guts and balls to actually write a musical and put it in front of the world but if I write a musical that's a joke about musicals then I'm safe right and and kind of like our our show is such a good sort of like um practice like play box for a Sandbox like playground for kind of trying things which is like I'd like to write a David bowie-esque rock song I can do it on our show or like I want to try an English accent but it's it can be bad yeah yeah you know like I do have a question about the English accent which is your accent as the night man it's very David Bowie and Labyrinth to me yeah I have no idea I'm just gonna keep up I'm just trying to keep up I can't remember there's something quiet about it that's very like David Bowie is Gareth well love thank you yeah uh do you want to write another musical are you is that he's always writing you're never gonna not write musicals yeah that's I I've worked really hard to get good at it and so I wanted you yeah doing it and but but the thing is always like finding the idea that pursues you like it can't just be you know I've written ideas where I've I've written my weight and I go oh I think I'm done like I'm not interested in pursuing this anymore um that's what's so kind of beautiful about this episode is you can tell in I mean just in the context of the story Charlie was possessed by an idea and he saw it through like he actually did something very impressive and the the side of Charlie that this unlocks in the episode like when he is screaming at D I mean we have never seen Charlie like that full theater Tyrant full so explain to me where the full theater Tyrant came from because I think that's just a funny concept but he's just so powerful yeah like like and Charlie's never really powerful don't you feel like that's a dynamic that happens in the theater like I'm sure Glenn you've seen it like in the Juilliard days where it's just like this extreme tension about this ridiculous thing that people are doing but also underneath it I feel like he's trying to get this girl to marry him and it's like everything riding on it that's what I mean like right he's like I I need this play to be good last shot because it's my last shot I'm going to propose to this woman there's moments where your IQ goes up a hundred points yeah yeah like when he goes through Turn the Page over nothing that's what you'll sing yes I want to play this section Charlie this is my big song yeah you sorry D um look at your ringing your hands let's see was it did write it Charlie with it no Charlie wrote a musical and came to D with it and the Gang and the Gang likes to screw it up and make it about themselves and take it away from church so let me tell you something dude let me break down a scenario for you I could cut the song okay because I wrote it I could have Artemis do the song okay strap that away and I could do the song myself so you tell me Little Miss all that what do you want to do a song or no song like a funny thing happens when you're doing a scene like that where like I'm just screaming at Caitlyn right and I feel her feeling screamed at like I can feel her starting to be like well he is whether it's the actor or the character this man is [ __ ] screaming at me yeah and I can't like soften that blow I can't be like all right well let me back it off a little bit because she's getting upset like I got a stick in it so like I have to like turn the nice side of my brain off it's funny because you're giving her exactly what she needs as an actor by doing it in your mind you're like I'm upsetting her I know I know inside of you or you're like this is abusive in a way yeah but of course in Caitlyn's mind she's like oh this is great like is it right I am getting screamed out and that's how I'm supposed to be reacted so it's a good genuine reaction she plays it great there's nothing more abusive than the level of stalking that goes on in this particular episode of the waitress and even even in the end when you're like well I'm coming yeah yeah I didn't sign anything so don't come back tomorrow that is Sinister completely wrong and yeah and yet people have really used that song as a proposal song I've seen YouTube videos of people literally proposing in real life using about that in the podcast [Music] please [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] as you were saying you wrote it with us out which is it's supposed to be funny it's not supposed to be that good and yet everybody loves it they love the songs like you you somehow looped around again to create something that isn't a joke that is I mean this is the power of music man I'm sure you have experienced this is that did Regis people Beyond but uh now I'm doing the George Bush thing I was it was about one time when I when I went to go see it I just heard it was a hit uh I didn't know anything about you I went to go see it and you know 10 minutes into the play I'm like okay oh it's like we're rapping all right yeah and then by the end like it was a completely oh it's Primal it's Primal yeah it was like yeah that hit me in a way that very few pieces of art actually have and like something about the power of combining music to whatever like if you nail it right I don't know I know it hits you in a totally different way even in our goofy kind of like Hey we're doing a silly bad musical the songs stick with me but you know it's funny because I'm so allergic to metamusicals like there's they're their own genre where they're like we're commenting on the fact we're doing a musical isn't it so hilarious that we are breaking into song um I kind of generally hate that [ __ ] like I'm just like stop apologizing for the thing you clearly love to do but that doesn't right that doesn't come across in this episode like what comes across is that Charlie earnestly this show came out of him and he's using it of course for sinister ends but it doesn't ever feel like you guys are commenting that musicals are bad no it feels like uh Charlie is inept at making what he wants to have happen yeah happen and like the vanity of your characters is always gonna offend you stage freeze don't say stages the joke isn't that Musical are bad the joke is that we're bad at doing them yes yes the show no you guys are working your ass off like when when the night man comes out and he's he's finally doing his Earnest awesome karate and they're laughing it's such a dejected little side I also love the little moment where Dennis is backing up to grab the gun and you you don't want to turn around and grab it because you want it to be subtle so what you do is you flail around behind you for someone holding it like just uh through the door for you that's a little detail I think that again it brings up like it invokes such high school productions and it's so nostalgic to watch like even the sets and the way that the couch is painted onto the wall and the yeah everything it just has and then contrasting that with the subject matter that you're talking about it's so dark do right on piano when you go you sit on a piano and yeah I don't I can't play Trombone no I only ever learned piano took pen lessons as a kid and so I I have my keyboard hooked up to my computer and I've used I use I wrote in Heights like on GarageBand like use that to arrange it and then uh graduated to Logic for the subsequent shows we talk about your process for a little bit um because I found it fascinating when we were we were in New York we went out to dinner and we went to see a comedy show and then um you were like I gotta get home because I found this fascinating he said this to me at dinner I said I can't stay out too late tonight because I got to get home because my boss is expecting me to deliver a song by the end of the day tomorrow and I thought he was joking and I laughed and he was very serious and I was like who's your brother I'm serious I mean he was like but you were you were Earnest insofar as you had to deliver this to your boss and I was like who is your boss and it's the head of Music at Disney what's his name was also everybody Atomic Google yeah he runs he runs music for Disney and I was writing a song on uh for an assignment for him yes and and I just found that fascinating because to me if there's any artist in the world living right now who doesn't have a boss it's however I but I found it interesting first of all obviously you're respectful of somebody who's paying you you're professional paying you and they have an expectation of delivery but beyond that it almost felt like you enjoyed the constraint of knowing that you had to get something done yeah is that a part of your process yes I think this says more equal amount about you that it does about me that you were fixated on my having a boss yes because you're like well I'm instantly resentful of anyone who would call themselves my boss yes boss yeah aren't you yeah you don't have to say yeah I love a deadline yeah that's what I love and when I'm when I'm working on something to know that we're going to meet about what I write every week that's the best way for me to get anything done that was how in the Heights got written how Hamilton got written you know when I started writing Hamilton I was took me a few months to write the opening song took me a year to write the second song which was oh my God half just like not writing the song and and half just me not committing to finishing it and it wasn't until Tommy kale got involved and was like let's just put a date where you're going to perform as many songs from Hamilton as you can and that and we'll just commit to that like seven months from now and I wrote 11 songs so that that tells me that like I need a deadline to get anything yeah because then you can just keep chipping away at something at a certain point you're like okay I have to move on and only when you've moved on from it can you go back to and be like oh it's not as bad as I thought it was or it's even better yeah and also I'm sure you guys are familiar with this like my favorite part of the process when I'm working on a musical is bringing the song in and then being like all right like here it is like guts out like what do we think what's confusing what could be better what did you like what didn't make sense and and I'm sure that's how you guys work too in terms of like it isn't this I think this is a great lesson For Young Artists and people who are trying to get into into creating anything is the idea of iteration um we talk about this quite a bit which is oftentimes people are afraid to put out to show people what it is that they're working on at early stages because they want to perfect it not realizing that there is no Perfection and like us so much a part of any collaborative art is to get other people's opinions and if you don't put that if you don't have either an external party who's putting on that limitation or those guardrails of saying we need it by this date then then you have to do it internally and just say look by the state I'm going to show it to people and there's no that's not a failure if someone says oh that's pretty good but what if you tried this or what if you tried that that's all a part of the process and even the people who are the greatest in the world at it like to hear that I think like an audience member to hear that that you also fear that and also will sit down yet at an early stage and show it to somebody and take notes I think is really inspiring yeah you say the price of my War now that one that [ __ ] number which is so [ __ ] all that the the king's numbers are so good did those come quickly writing wise or those came away from the piano so this came as like a tune in my head I was actually on my honeymoon when I wrote King George's song really yeah I was on an island in the South Pacific with my wife there was not a piano anywhere now how do you do that it's just in your head well I think the reason it's so catchy and again like your own [ __ ] becomes a part of your process like for me I don't have very good piano tops so a Melody has to survive my chops you know and so like that song was so catchy it had to survive the two weeks I was on vacation and stay in my head and I wrote down the words as like I like I put words to The Melody once it was in my head and they were pretty close to what the final words would be but I just sang it to myself and it was just take a video and it had to survive no no I decided it just had to survive and and I think that's why it's a catchy song in the show like it was just stuck in my head for two weeks but this is an interesting song to write on your honeymoon because it's about a very dysfunctional relationship yeah well but it's also a breakup song that's true that's true like it's it's actually a breakup song it's like no you'll you'll be back you're stuck with me so maybe no let's not look too deeply into that yeah it's a perfect song like every now and then I'll it won't even be on I'll just like start singing it I don't know why it's just in there yeah it's in there for life now I think yeah that's how a lot feel about the nightmare yeah yeah yeah it really is I mean it's trying to get it right in that skull where it stays forever yeah yeah you do have a knack Charlie does have an act for writing very catchy melodies or like catchy catchy things that just grab you right away look it could have been a good commercial jingle right yeah yeah for sure the the lyrics to I think are so catchy and almost because they're so not specific like I'm thinking specifically of the last song um if you want to marry men will you marry me like a little things that are added in yeah it's not even Madness when you wrote that did you mean like were you calling were you calling her man like but if you want to marry man both or or was it like or if you want to marry man I knew it would be funny I am mad like it's also like a bad lyric yeah yeah but like it's calling her man which is also weird do not phone me yeah what I love is that it's it the beginning has like the rigorousness of like a Bach cantata there's like a chord for every note it just gets it's like very like Feud like almost and then it goes to the like craziest Hard Rock place like that yeah that's because we don't know what I'm doing [Music] we are supported by athletic greens and their delicious five-star lifestyle friendly green powder ag1 all right you know what I can start this time have you guys ever counted uh all the way up to 75 to 75 like just what do you mean just because well yeah I guess there's a reason that's because that's the number of uh high 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no sense to me sounds like a James Taylor song like it's so beautiful without the lyrics on top [Music] but uh but the tiny boy baby boy is a total Sondheim ripoff with those kind of chords like right because it's a two chord Jam but the chord on top is very it's a major seven major seven yeah well I don't know these words you're saying that's the thing that this is why I never pursued music because all that [ __ ] I can't I can't get that [ __ ] oh yeah that's perfect I could it's just names for what you're doing right right that's really all it is yeah [Music] would never use like a major chord when he could do like a weird seventh chord or a second or a fourth like he just did interesting voicings at the end of the end of there was a lot of that kind of like I get a course yeah [Music] [Laughter] yeah or maybe this is why I'm too far yeah [Music] [Laughter] for a rabbit I don't eat rabbit so wait but we should but take me from you finding that very sondheimi and right hand to the call and response of ooh well that's what's going back and that's like where your Dynamic comes in Gray it says I can be like okay here's some you know and I was like what is Glenn doing on stage at this point so we added these little oohs and o's that's like 80s like metal lyrics like that is so early that's Journey if you only knew what I do to you but it's set against this is insane yes if you come for insane you've come to the right place also so much of what I love about this episode is you know those rehearsal scenes before the musical begins sets up so many jokes that pay off like Dennis and Max switching and then that paying off in like the the hug that they do that's very awkward it's a sexually charged sexually charged Embrace um but setting up those things and the D wanted to throw in a song and then having those things all like pay off uh during the music did you guys write D's Solo or is that McCormick did write that yeah yeah just just to be clear like clarifying you know the previous song and I think I've written it more like a song like just to be clear I did not write that song and would never have sex with a child just to be clear just to be clear that's like a Taylor Swift I was thinking about when we were writing this one of my concerns when we were kind of writing it was I hope we're not our goal here is not we're trying to write a bad musical bad I I think we're trying to write a bad musical as well as we can as well as time yeah no no the Muse has visited Charlie well I mean that's because there's the piece of me that is dying to be in musicals sing songs write songs and then there's the piece of me that's it's too insecure to ever like really pursue it so it's that sweet spot of like well if I just earnestly do it and then we make it funny then you can get away with it but like um can we talk about the troll toll songs and uh and what that is sort of modeled after and is there like anything special about coming up with that I mean obviously soul and boys soul and yeah boys so it is a two lyric song and yet devastatingly effective yes yeah yeah I've got to pay the troll toll to get into that poison and then they say What's that name I just was just playing the chords I knew and so I was like okay the you know the the major chords of the love songs and the minor chords are the bad guy you know so it was yeah it was like as simple as like a bluesy kind of like uh I heard that I was like oh this is a blue nothing [Music] yeah [Music] that's a good thing that can work in any musical really just saying what'd you say hey hey yeah and then what was what was Danny's reaction to this how was what was his level of Danny was gung-ho to do it but he a little I had it's the craziest story and I'll say it as quickly as possible because I I met Danny a few times but so we show up at the high school because we did this whole thing at one location and the night before I was nervous I was like what else can I give these guys to really make it click and I thought lyric sheets we have the script we have the music lyric sheets just the song a page with lyrics right so I sent that off to the second ad and they printed them out and I meet Danny and we run the song once or twice and I turn around to my piano player I said look Danny let's do it one more time this time and I turn back and he's halfway out the door and on his way out he grabs some papers off my music stand and just takes everything and disappeared for the rest of the day and of course and I thought I I thought you were all messing with me because I swear to God every single cast member and every single crew member all day were asking me hey any more of those lyric sheets around and Danny just taking them out the door so of course Danny like slays it the next day when we record cut to a year later when we did the tour or when we were rehearsing for the Troubadour I go we all went over to his house to do this first rehearsal I bring my piano player in I really like brings us into his to their piano and she's like oh you can just clear some stuff off and work here and I remember picking up a book and there were all the lyric sheets and music marked up he brought it home he'd worked on it which is like why do you have to take everybody yeah yeah he wanted us to fail he's the goat man I mean he like he he worked on that stuff and he he's so amazing he he like just killed that stuff and uh seeing that stuff at his home like a year later I was like oh this is a guy like you know he wanted to rehearse it nude in the 70s you know he was also you know one of the most delightful things about Danny is he still continues to approach things like uh with a youthful exuberance you know what I mean like like he's okay to not be necessarily the best at something as long as he's having fun like he he just has this like childlike you see that information where he gets assigned to the troll and he's so excited yeah one of our comedy tricks is always like trying to subvert the expectation so you're expecting him to be pissed that he's going to be the troll and like offended yeah right right the second he's excited you're like well there's a joke right his entire social media presence is based on him taking pictures of his feet in different locations and calling it troll foot in New York troll foot in Paris and it's just that that's how much he's embracing before me after the musical that came after them that was that oh that was right yeah well after yeah yeah okay yeah David becomes night man Danny DeVito became control man I mean this this episode was truly um the first this was our our way to understand how the audience at large was experiencing the show because there was no social media at the time right there was no we were making a television show so we did nothing live we had no indicators as to whether or not people were watching the show or enjoying it uh we had no interaction with fans other than other than out on the street or like Nielsen ratings yeah yeah so the very first time we performed this um was at the troubadour and it was mind-blowing we had people like who knew every lyric to every song they knew every line in the episode and they were laughing before we were delivering them to work in television and to be able to go out and to to perform live what a gift what a gift that you get to see on a nightly basis how things are being received although I guess like when you're doing a play obviously people aren't singing along um have you played like some concerts or some venues where people have had the opportunity to sing along I went to a show in London of Hamilton uh six months ago the entire theater sang Everything Hamilton was a really interesting case because I remember when no one knew the words when we started previously and and people were going out and sort of talking about the show and watching that front row slowly become like the live teleprompters over the course of the first year because we didn't release the cast album till like a month after we opened on Broadway and that was our ambassador more than the show was you know you can only serve 1400 people at a time on a given night but then the way that album went out into the world was really like totally unexpected and then and then it went from like we're showing you our new show to reading on Twitter like whatever line I [ __ ] up that night they're like we saw it tonight [Laughter] is there another example and and uh forgive me for not knowing but like of the person who's writing the musicals starring in them like has that been I mean I'm sure it's been done a few times but like Broadway Broadway hits where the person is also the writer um there it was very much the case in the beginning of musical theater like George M Cohen famously did that like he wrote Yankee Doodle Dandy and starred in Yankee Doodle Dandy um and then there were and now it's more of a thing like again like Sara Bareilles like when it wrote waitress then went into waitress she's amazing in it um there's a young theater writer named Shayna Taub who's like incredible and starring in her own shows so um yes but it's it's it's rare it's part of what's so electric about seeing the performance right it's like yeah but I mean for me the hope is always that it lives beyond me like well yeah you know that's that's the the hope is you just write something really good that lasts um I love in the Heights and I remember seeing that um I I remember thinking what's gonna happen when this guy leaves a show and uh I mean it's a terrific show it lives on the movie's awesome but I remember seeing you and thinking what what happens when Lynn maybe because yeah and then when you were at a drive-in about to get into a fight yeah the words you heard that story I did yeah yeah but he heard piragua and it brought him back and that is the power of your music yeah so okay troll told I want to hit every song in this I'm sorry no no I I we have to be thorough so thank you um so we've done little baby boy and just to be clear so I think Dayman is next time which was in the previous episodes the whole show was built around this particular song which is really just a chorus twice which is smart right but wait a minute but when you watch the episode there's also like um like you're saying other stuff like it builds to that was Cormac so like you've got some Counterpoint going on yeah I don't know what Danny exactly is doing but like you're doing like yeah yeah like you did add stuff to it we I I just again it was like what is everyone doing during this and I I really like harmonic music when everyone's doing stuff and uh so I just arranged changed it and got there on the day and I think we cut half of it just I I overrode it and um and we cut some of it we we added um I am the ruler of nine and darkness oh yeah master of bird and song a master burden song yeah right and then um you are the teacher of bird and man the winner of contest near and far yeah winner of contests near and far bird and song yeah yeah so that was kind of how we like wrapped up like it's not a part of the song but the lead into that I really love because it's that song starts the third act and D gets us up to speed by saying uh you once were a boy and now you are a man and I am in love with you and that just gets us like pass that's right like that's the resolution now let's get to like yeah the chord progression also reminds me of from the original one it was they hate you night man and you don't belong to them oh yeah yeah which was me just riffing on the day and I miss your code the voice comes back well that at the end when I come down and I sing the final song where I explain the tongue in the back of your throat thing you're doing there it's uh Christopher gas I installed for Christopher Guest it's from oh from waiting for Goffman from a scene that I think was cut from wedding from government so it's in like one of the songs he sings in the outtakes it might have been a penny for your thoughts oh God yeah or maybe it's in the okay for your dreams the cut stuff in government is better than most musicals there's a big government influence in this episode too oh yeah for sure like the seriousness of a play that's not good it's very fun right right yeah it's uh well that transitions into the last song really which is your um proposal song um where you descend and and quite a piece of stagecraft too you descending like it doesn't seem like that big of a production and then you somehow no and then Mary Elizabeth is flipping through the pamphlet to be like wait this is another song now we made a very very very big mistake uh when we did the live version of this show we thought we had to we had to stick uh to the truth of the Canon and in the episode she says no of course and storms out but when you when you pack a room full of 3 000 people and Charlie comes down and she and he's singing the song will you marry me will you marry me we put Mary Elizabeth out in the crowd yes and we put a spotlight on her and we had her say no huge mistake the audience even that like I remember the first time Mary Elizabeth was like Hey guys like you know they're like really vicious safe out here yeah yeah yeah all we had to do is just have her say yes just have her say yes it doesn't matter yeah they would have gone crazy but I do love in the episode after she says no there's a really sweet moment where Frank says to Charlie like she's not worth it man yeah I like he's comforting you I thought the Raves team went really well [Laughter] that's a great musical Jolly he did a great job ain't worth it [Applause] especially nobody just writes a musical for no reason I am here I am I am past here and by the way I thought the rape scene went really well I I am here I'm here with it and that was awful for me and if you bring this up back to the apartment tonight I'm going to smack you I swear to God well we got to do another season of this show we're going into season 16. um if you ever want to write a musical um I would not possibly presume to improve on this incredible atmosphere so it is Disney it is a Disney show now so it's on the family we could call your boss we should call your boss Tommy is Tommy his name Tommy Tommy Tommy wouldn't even know what it was long give us lin-manuel we only need them for a week now [Laughter] get him off the stage Tom get him back at Hollywood come on let's write a song right now these things just make sense to him now we'll wrap or something look you'll make 125th of what you make no okay but it'll be a lot of fun for us yeah I think it'll be less than that actually less fun yeah we'll talk less money we're working out with Tom and Tommy will let him know yes you don't have a boss yeah I cannot tell you how mad he got when I said you don't have a boss yeah yeah there's no one in the I was you have a boss I was frustrated you wrote Hamilton why are you ready you don't have a boss man can I just break this down for you you don't have a boss is that right yeah lin-manuel doesn't have a boss let me tell you about his father's decks but I think you're right you did rightfully say like I think you're talking to yourself man like you're getting very worked up about this and I was like maybe I am yeah yeah it was it was like uh sort of just you're ready to meet out Justice too yeah Rob justice justice at our dinner yeah who told you you have a boss you want to write Rob Justice real quick come on I know you can do it I think it's very telling um that somebody else who reached out um about nightman and then became a fan of the show is Bobby Lopez yeah um is a big fan of Sunny which is really cool like to hear that two I mean Bobby is one of the other giant pillars of of musical theater right the Mormon incredible Frozen and the fact that he really enjoys what you guys do is is awesome he said uh didn't he also do Avenue Q yeah that was his first every he said he'd watch nightman cometh every night he was in rehearsals for Avenue Q oh my God yeah it's crazy wild yeah you guys it's it's about putting on a show like it it hits the same sort of like pleasure centers in your brain that Goffman does that like yes they may not be great at it but they are doing their damnedest to put on the show just even down to the costumes like the ill-fitting costumes it's just gonna rip the pits but they can't because they're expenses do not rip that cognitive dissonance of D dressed as like Princess Peach while holding a coffee thing like yes it doesn't make anything it was just like Princess Peach that was always the idea it's just like uh yeah that Prince that's the Mario Brothers yeah and then the day man being symbolized with a silver like onesie and the Cod piece the day man nightmare yes obsession with the but just your little improv of taking the thing off and be like and I'm a man seeing yeah well then this has been an honor to have you thank you to have you here as well could we play us out with some day man just just pass out yeah sorry [Music] um [Music] say stage freeze just do it yeah foreign [Music] [Music] for everyone [Music] [Music] for everyone [Music] stage free don't say stage freeze just do it

Channel: The Always Sunny Podcast

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Length: 81min 14sec (4874 seconds)

Published: Mon Nov 28 2022