1858 Remington Cartridge Conversion

that thing wrong with me ah no what's wrong me they try to get a good Kaplan oh well I just lost it my old egg I can't shoot anymore I'm sorry Hickok 45 yes percussion revolver it had the percussion but that's all it had okay we're going to talk a little bit about conversions today and a little bit about this particular gun the 1858 New Model Army in percussion revolver that was used so widely in the Old West and in the Civil War okay so this one's a kind of a cut off version of it it's kind of a share of small you'd say it's a Uberti and we appreciate tailors and companies sending it to us it's a neat gun you've already does a great job on these uh these reproduction revolvers is no doubt about it okay even though they cannot put bullets where they doesn't exist so we just have caps in that let's make sure they're all we had six of them go off so we're okay on that okay we're going to talk about another alternative here as you might have guessed now this other one is the same as you can tell 58 New Model Army revolver and for those of you who are not as familiar with the Remington's maybe you've seen a lot of the Colts and a lot of people love the Colts these are were patented in 58 but they really didn't go into production and major way to about 61 I think and they were used in the Civil War I think there was a fire in the Colt factory and right during in the middle of the Civil War so they actually used more of these they were a little bit more expensive but the military ordered even more of them soldiers like them I've always had a I want a love-hate relationship with these things are kind of ungainly and big they don't have that great feel and in a way that the Colts do but they've grown on me over the years to tell you the truth they really have I used to not like them at all but I have developed a bit of fondness for them partly because I've gotten used to the feel and they also work better they're easier to load and get the cylinders out generally in the you know they discovered that course back in the day - it's not just a modern realization on my part if you could go back and interview some Civil War soldiers that quite often they choose one of these because they were just more trouble free they're very strong had top strap just like the you know Colt Single Action Army or the Remington models 1875 that came out the cartridge gun that it was well built - so these things are very very historical and what we're going to kind of look at - your main purpose is to kind of look at the conversion issues now there's lots of different conversions there are a lot of people that did conversions a lot of matter today a lot of different ways to convert them some of them are authentic some are not I am NOT an expert on them but I wanted to show you a couple things and touch on at least one or two aspects you know of that and you might not have known that Remington was early on involved in the conversions they they actually paid royalties to Smith & Wesson and I think it was 68 for the rights to the board through cylinder you know what a board through cylinder is it's one of these where you put a cartridge in it you know yeah so seems like a simple thing doesn't it but Colt couldn't do that till the patents ran out and Smith held the patents on that that's why they were so long coming out with conversions and the Colt single-action army from one reason Smith had the and that's why Smith had the Scofield's and the model threes out early they held the patent on being able to do that that's funny well Remington bit the bullet and they paid Smith & Wesson so they could do that pretty early on actually before the Schofield was out there and before the Colt conversions or anything so these guns we're out there in conversions cartridge conversions in 68 okay so and you can you can find reproductions of these today tailors & Company has them other people have them you'll see them in gun shops and they're they're fairly true to the originals but not exactly right they've got a wider plate on the back of the cylinder and some different things but they are cartridge conversions and they're in the spirit of the original conversions all right so conversions can get a little dicey I'm always careful what I have to say about conversion because I don't know everything about them just enough to be dangerous and they're kind of in it's an interesting period in our history it really is firearms history where we we moved from the percussion revolvers to the converted percussion revolvers and then into the revolvers that were made to handle of cartridges so interesting periods and lots of different things going on there a lot of you know backyard gunsmith who actually convert these things and then factories would make conversions like they did of this and 68 and all that so but anyway we also have one of these modern conversions now there was no nothing exactly like this to my knowledge back in the 1860s exactly like this was the same principle and and these are available tailors and company sent this to me too so it's kind of neat to play with but this is a cylinder that you can replace the percussion result the cylinders with and then fire cartridges and we're going to do that all right now these are you can get these for the colt see the colt percussion pistols that gosh the Dragoon the Walker Cold's all of those the Navy 51 Navy and everything now I want to advantage again to the Remington was it's pretty simple you don't have to hammer out a wedge and all that you just pull that out and you got it on half [ __ ] and if you're lucky you can just pull that thing out of there you turn it kind of clockwise to push the hand up there and sometimes they'll surprise you and come out very easily sometimes this will surprise you go in easily but these are brand-new this is a brand-new pistol right here and so all the tolerances are kind of so let's just see if this works okay so you see how it works you you can't just put this in there you know but I mean that wouldn't work you've got to have a plate that wouldn't see you'd have something like that and so what you have is this plate that goes on the back and so you essentially end up with something that's the same size see as that you know basically the same same size and you've got six little firing pins spring-loaded fire leave their spring-loaded little firing pins on it and so that goes through when the hammer hits it and hits the primer okay pretty clever I should have thought of that and these were you'll see these around you know tailors and company and R&D basically combined to market these I think a how Old West conversions it's all the same same cylinder okay same one and now that being said they don't fit every firearm this one's for the Uberti which is what this is this is a pietà navy arms it's an old when I've had that 15 20 years now I guess bought up a friendship Indiana at the black-powder shoot one year and they won't fit in that one for example so you got to make sure that you get it for the right gun and you still might have to do a little dribbling as I understand though this one fits its tight let's just go ahead and load it and you're supposed to load just lead bullets cowboy loads nothing too powerful these are not for magnums you're still dealing with percussion revolvers not magnums and so this is about right I think up to around 850 feet per second something like that still low five and put this on one cool thing about these is if you have one of these revolvers you can order these without an FFL they just send it to your house and then you put it on your gun you've got a cartridge gun everybody's line up that little denture in there all right now I loaded five and you can see you notice before I put it in here we'll play with here you can see the case there they're not shiny but you can see there's not one in that cylinder so that helps you when you're trying to line that up and I say that like I say the tolerances are tight on this but with my incredible skills maybe I can get in here and actually fire it kind of turn it clockwise to work that hand properly everything out of the way here we go all right now let's find the empty one there's the empty one so we want to [ __ ] the hammer and let it fall down on an empty chamber one thing about the you know I'm bad or good about dry firing firearms you know just to ensure that they're empty just like you do it an IPS see match and everything else that ensures there's nothing on that under that hammer on these it highly advises you not to dry fire it you'll damage that little firing pin so we won't do that today alright unless I do it by mistake all right so let's see if it works we now have a cartridge gun yeah like I said one of the interesting things about this is like Taylor's and company when I requested this a to ship this to my house you know no AFL required in separate packages you know not not a symbol or anything so so you can order one of these cylinders if you have on these firearms and you've got your conversion so for wherever you get it I mean the same thing alright now let's see if we can hit that to later that's smart-aleck I worked a little better than an actual cartridge and I shot it I think about six times yeah it's a little high yeah I said but windows looks like it's right on see if it's suitable for a propane tank yeah and we have one left let's see if I hit that pot if I hold low enough maybe yeah all right that should be we won't snap it again because though that's the only problem with that it's got to be really sure don't you well it's not critical I mean yes I love bring that around and half [ __ ] now I'm a good and stop it one more time even though you're not supposed to I just want to make sure we're we're safe there okay so I'll make it a point to count next time okay I did count I just yes I'm not used to having to be sure all right so there you go and then you just dump them out oh you know one thing I did not bring out here I might need to find a stick or something but you don't have an ejector rod do you you're you're stuck with that so let me see what I've got here on the ground I bet I have a case that would work there's a it has a little big a little everything in my there's a stick oh here's a stick about right okay yeah you got to punch them out of course if they're tight now that that was not tight just a not a big big deal there okay so it's a cartridge firing gun now now that said what's the advantage if what if they had exactly that in 1861 or 62 you know say the cavalry you're on horseback at least some advantage it wouldn't be a dramatic advantage with it because they like to have lots of these especially the cavalry they have four or five of these things in their belt six eight maze they could carry so they would not have to reload now there's an advantage to these the Remington because you can change out the cylinders pretty easily and they will have extra cylinders load sometimes a little risky maybe having them capped and ready to go but war could be rather risky so I think I would have taken a chance and some of those in my pocket capped and ready to go and then put those in but you so the bottom line is it works that's kind of cool but you do have to take this thing out you know and then put put more ammo in it and then reinstall the cylinder so it's not like it becomes a semi automatic is it but it is more trouble-free I'll put it that way doubt about it let's try it again see if it'll work twice it does give you another option I think we're not talking about combat tactics or anything here with something like this or it's just have an interesting firearm and and also interesting in a historical sense because these were not exactly like this but they were used on here I go wrestling with it it won't come out the other side so I've got to get it these are so tight there we go well if I did this for a few weeks I would get the hang of it there we go alright alright so we have five rounds let's line up drop it on an empty one like right there that's an empty one and let's shoot it again let's take out that 2-liter oh that was impressive and there's a cowboy I'm so even the ear okay we're empty that's a good-looking gun you know the the sheriff's models a lot of that just modern marketing there weren't that many of these guns you know cut off like that but somewhere gunsmiths would do it'd be a lot hand here I mean that's a pretty big gun but compared with that one it's a lot smaller okay so let's this again oh the process you have [ __ ] go remember you got to fire led loads in it dry firing is discouraged and you also need to do it in a steel frame gun some of these things you'll see other brass frame needs to be a steel frame firearm keep that in mind could require a little fitting this depends on your firearm this one is close to almost being too tight but it fits I guess you'd rather have it go in tightly but yet you able to get it in that'd be the ideal on it okay and then you got to get the cases out there you go alright good thing that stick was handy where it came from alright is it's kind of a neat option it really is and again they're available for all these models it doesn't matter almost every percussion revolver out there seems that there's one of these available if they kind of turn you on now one question I know can some of you I can read your mind you're thinking at least those of you know these are 44 caliber see 44 Cal versus round the barrel the remington new army was a 44 famous been 44 just like the the occult 1860 army 44 caliber what are we doing putting 45 caliber cartridges in it you understand yeah okay I get it you can put a different cylinder in there and actually fire cartridge how does that turn it into a 45 well I have no idea you need to go figure that one out on your own pretty would you like a clue okay I think it is this the back in the day these were 44 when they they measured the caliber when you talk about cartridges and the caliber and what the designation means like 44 40 45 said all that kind of thing it involves the amount of powder in the case and sometimes it's it's backwards there's some weird cartridge designations out there sometimes it's just a marketing thing oh it's called a 38 we call it a 37 or a 36 it will sell you know and that's just fact of life with this I think they when they made the barrel before they put the rifling in it is a 44 caliber pipe basically okay think of a thick pipe it's 44 caliber well then when you cut the grooves in it the the lands the rifling you all know about rifling go see our what wrist twist rate video and you know it's rifling well then you get some deeper grooves in there okay it makes the bullet spin well they were measuring from I guess the initial pipe barrel or from the from rifling edge or land are called lands from land to land would be say 44 caliber roughly but the grooves the deeper part from from groove to groove would be 45 caliber like 450 to 454 for that okay so they really are the bottom line is if you didn't understand any of that a 44 one of these 44 is even back in the day they were actually 45 caliber by the way we designate them okay so that's why they handle a 45 colt because those are not those are true 45s one thing about a 45 like a 45 ACP or a 45 colt they're one of the few cartridges maybe that is exactly that where the 38 is actually a 36 up then a 44 Magnum is really a 43 and you round down the line but a 45 is actually 45 it's like 452 or 454 thousands okay just like these are all right I knew you were worried wondering about that so I just thought let's you know we'll see it one more time since we've got this out okay so just an option kind of an interesting thing and think about the history of it that's what I always like to look at think about any kind of conversion we may get the actual conversion that was made there are some replicas like I say of these that are converting they're not exactly like this but they're a close semi close to what Remington actually made in 1868 and they're kind of interesting too so we might get one of those on the shooting table here one day so let's put this in and again because of your hand there you want to spin it kind of clockwise to get it and probably as it gets dirtier and dirtier there we're going hey I'm getting better in it all right that's a cool little gun one thing it allows you to do is to fire these old percussion looking revolvers without all the mess if you want to you could use black powder cake cartridges on these are smokeless but again you don't anything too too hot okay you want to lead rounds cowboy loads so to speak steel frame and have at it it's pretty neat so right now what I have in my hand is really the same even though you got to go through that process it's just like having one of my Colt single-action armies loaded right what's what would be the difference just slower to reload five because I can see five on that the target so anyway just a little bit of information about the conversions and the Remington's especially and you know something something anything else can do you can you can order these you're taking a chance I guess in a way you may have do a little fitting as I understand but but I would ahead and got the you birdie pistol and the conversion cylinder for of the you birdie and that way pretty pretty well assured it's going to fit and it does I think if I use this awhile it would it would get easier and easier probably to to get in there so loosen up a little bit so pretty cool I don't know if it's not really an innovation is it's been around a long time but again this is kind of a modern thing there's this particular cylinder but the concept goes way back you know that the concept goes back to eighteen late 1860's and and there we go needle gun lots of history there life is good you

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Length: 21min 42sec (1302 seconds)

Published: Sat May 03 2014