GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION TODAY. HOW DO YOU DRAW A MOMENT THAT WILL BE HISTORIC? OUR NEXT GUEST HAS DONE JUST THAT, SKETCHING A SERIES OF HIGH-PROFILE TRIALS INVOLVING POWERFUL MEN. AS SHE DESCRIBES IT, DEFIANT WOMEN. INCLUDING LAST MONTH'S HISTORY-MAKING CRIMINAL TRIAL OF FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. SHE SKETCHED THE COURTROOM, THE JUDGE, THE LAWYERS, THE WITNESSES AND, MOST CRUCIALLY, THE DEFENDANT. BUT INSTEAD OF KEEPING HERSELF AND HER GAZE OUT OF IT, AS IS STANDARD IN COURTROOM SKETCHES, ARTIST ISABEL BROWMEN CAPTURED NOT JUST THE PLAYERS BUT THE EMOTION OF THE ROOM. IN WRITING ABOUT WHAT SHE DOES FOR "NEW YORK" MAGAZINE, SHE SAYS MY FAVORITE IMAGE TO CAPTURE IS THE NECK OF A DEFIANT WOMAN AS SHE STARES DOWN A MAN WHO THINKS HE CAN DESTROY HER. I HAVE SEEN THAT STRONG NECK HOLD UP THE CHIN OF AMBER HERD AND THE JAMES DOE OF DANNY MASTERSON. I DREW THE UNCOMPROMISING NECK OF E.J. CARROLL AND THE UNAPOLOGETIC STORMY DANIELS. JOINING US NOW IS ARTIST ISABEL BROWERMAN. I'M OBSESSED WITH YOU. >> HI. >> I AM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MY MOM SENT ME THESE SKETCHES. I HADN'T SEEN THEM. I JUST THOUGHT, OH, MY GOD, SHE CAPTURED WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN THOSE ROOMS. I WAS IN THE COURTROOM WITH YOU FOR A LITTLE BIT OF THE TRIAL. IT'S SO HARD TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THAT ROOM. YOU HAVE AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE LIKE WHEN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE. YOU THINK OF A PIT BULL LAWYER AND PEOPLE ON THE STANDS SCARED AND NERVOUS AND A JUDGE WHO'S BEING VERY HARD LINED. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THE COURTROOM AT ALL. IT WAS VERY SUBDUED. BUT THERE WAS SO MUCH INTENSITY. WALK ME THROUGH WHAT YOU SAW AND WHAT YOU FELT AND WHY ALL OF THAT POURED OUT OF YOU AND ONTO THESE CANVASS. >> I THINK THERE'S A TRADITIONAL ASPECT TO THE COURT THAT'S REALLY FUN TO PLAY WITH, IF YOU'RE FREE TO DO SO. I SORT OF STARTED TO INDEX THESE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS LIKE THE FLAG, THE JUDGE, THE MICROPHONE. WHEN YOU BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAYERS, AND SOME ARE ARRIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRIAL, YOU START TO SEE THE IMAGES ARE THE MELDING OF THESE TRADITIONAL SYMBOLS AND THEN THESE PLAYERS. AND IT'S A QUESTION OF, BASICALLY, HOW DO THESE TRADITIONAL SYMBOLS CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHO'S OCCUPYING THE SPACE? SO, I'M JUST OPENING MYSELF UP TO THAT STORY. >> HOW DID YOU APPROACH TRYING DONALD TRUMP? WHAT WAS HE LIKE THROUGH YOUR EYES IN THAT COURTROOM? >> I MEAN, HE IS SOMEBODY THAT HAS SO MUCH TO DRAW ON. SO, TO DRAW HIM IS THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED AND SORT OF EVER-CHANGING CHALLENGE. WITHIN THIS COURTROOM, HE WAS GAGGED. SO, HE HAD A DIFFERENT DEMEANOR. >> EJ CARROLL, WHICH YOU WERE AT? . >> CORRECT. AS FAR AS THE VERDICT, HE WAS INCREDIBLY STILL, WHICH ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICAL OF DONALD TRUMP, EVEN IN A COURTROOM. SO, I AM JUST BEING HONEST AND OPEN. I DID AS MUCH PREPARATION AS SOMEONE CAN DO WHEN GETTING READY FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST VERDICTS IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT MY SORT OF PRACTICE BRINGS TO THE TRADITION OF COURT ART IS THE UNPREDICTABILITY, WHICH I THINK PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING AND THE HUMANITY THAT GOES INTO THE COURT. >> YOU ALSO DREW WITNESSES LIKE STORMY DANIELS AND HOPE HICKS AND YOU WRITE WORDS TO YOUR PIECES. WHAT WAS IT LIKE DRAWING THEM AND HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THE PHRASES THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THESE CANVASS? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WHAT ELSE? >> I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN I'M WORKING I'M REALLY IN A ZONE, BUT THEN I HEAR SOMETHING AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS SORT OF CAN BE USED AS MATERIAL JUST LIKE THE IMAGES TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT IRONY. I'M THINKING ABOUT THEMES IN OUR NATION IS POSSIBLY THEMES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE THE STORY OF THE DAY, THE GAG ORDER. SO, I HEAR CERTAIN WORDS AND I THINK, THIS WORKS AND I SORT OF GRAB IT. >> YOU ALSO GOT THE ATMOSPHERE OUTSIDE, INCLUDING THE MAN THAT SET HIMSELF ON FIRE. >> YEP. >> THAT MUST HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT. >> YES, THAT WAS REALLY INTENSE AND IT FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE RECOGNIZED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT WAS HOW THE TRIAL BEGAN AND IT JUST -- IT FELT SO HEAVY AND -- YEP. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO DO THAT JUSTICE, BUT I ALSO BROUGHT THAT INTO THE COURTROOM PORT RAT OF THE DAY AND SORT OF CENTERED IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT -- >> IT WAS -- YEAH, EXACTLY. >> WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THESE. THEY REMIND ME OF THE GERMAN EXPRESSIONISM MOVEMENT, ERNST CUSHNER AND MAX BRUKMAN WHO BEAUTIFULLY AND HAUNTINGLY CAPTURED WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN GERMANY BEFORE THE FIRST WORLD WAR AND THE SECOND WORLD WAR, THERE WAS ALL THAT TRAUMA YET LET'S LOVE FOR THE NOW. YOU CAPTURED THE MOMENT OF 2024. WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE AN AMERICAN RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'LL LOOK BACK ON THESE IMAGES AND BE TAKEN BACK TO TODAY JUST LIKE THE GERMAN EXPRESSIONISTS BRING US BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LIKE OUT THERE. BEFORE WORLD WAR II. ISABEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHOW FOR THIS, RIGHT? >> WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT DEFINITELY. >> I HOPE I GET INVITED. >> YOU'RE
