MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE HUSH-MONEY TRIAL, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP. THERE'S WHAT HE PROJECT TOSS THE BASE, THE DONALD TRUMP WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, THE ONE HE DESPERATELY WANTS THE WORLD TO SEE IN WHICH HE PLAYS A VICTIM OF POLITICAL PERSECUTION AND POLITICAL PROSECUTION, WHERE HE'S DEFIANT AND SELF-ASSURED. THEN THERE'S THE OTHER VERSION, THE PRIVATE REAL ONE. THE SAME DONALD TRUMP THAT ADMITTED TO AIDES HE DID LOSE THE ELECTION IN 2020 BEFORE TRYING TO OVERTURN HIS DEFEAT. THIS ONE WHO KNEW HOW DEADLY COVID WAS AND IT WAS AIRBORNE, DESPITE WHAT HE SAID TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THE ONE STRIPPED OF HIS BLUSTER AND VITRIOL. BOTH OF THOSE DONALD TRUMPS ARE IN COURT TOGETHER THIS WEEK. AS ONE OF THEM GIVES FIERY HALL WAY SPEECHES AND LASHES OUT AGAINST WITNESSES AND THE MEDIA, THE OTHER IS FORCED TO SIT THERE AND WATCH PEOPLE HE KNOWS DESCRIBE IN SOMETIMES UNCOMFORTABLE DETAIL AN EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIR, HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO A PORN STAR. JOINING US NOW IS MARY TRUMP, CLINICAL PSYCHIATRIST, NIECE OF DONALD TRUMP. MARY, I'VE BEEN DYING TO TALK TO YOU. I HANG ON TO YOUR EVERY TEETH AND UTTERANCE ON OTHER PROGRAMS. I'M JUST DYING TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS LIKE FOR YOU TO WATCH HIM FACE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. >> NICOLLE, IT'S SOMETHING I DESPAIR THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO EXCITED BECAUSE THIS IS EARLY DAYS. AND LAST WEEK WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS SPLIT SCREEN. DONALD TRUMP CRIMINAL DEFENDANT IN A NEW YORK CITY CRIMINAL COURTROOM AND THEN THE SUPREME COURT HEARING ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD SHOULD BE IMMUNE FROM ANY KIND OF PROSECUTION BECAUSE APPARENTLY MEMBERS OF THE SUPREME COURT THINK HE'S A MONARCH OR SOMETHING. I THINK THE REAL SPLIT SCREEN WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND DONALD TRUMP, ANTI-AMERICAN AUTHORITARIAN WANNA BE. THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE SEEING THESE ARE BEING TREATED AS TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT'S AS IF THE FACT THAT HE IS A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT, THE FACT THAT HE'S COMMITTED ALLEGEDLY CRIMES AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, HAVE NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER ON HIS RELEVANCE OR HIS STANDING AS A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. THAT I FIND REALLY TROUBLING BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY OUT FOR HIM. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY WILLING TO BAIL HIM OUT EVEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO ESCAPE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAW LAST WEEK. AND I DON'T KNOW. IT WORRIES ME QUITE HONESTLY THAT, AS DEEP THE TROUBLE IS THAT HE'S IN, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. >> MARY, THAT'S ON US. THAT'S IN THE FRAMING. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE TO ME THAT ON YEAR EIGHT OR YEAR NINE -- FOR ME WATCHING THE TRIAL, I REMEMBER ALL THOSE NEWS CYCLES. I SAID WITH MY THEN COLLEAGUE BRIAN WILLIAMS, THE DAY ACCESS HOLLYWOOD CAME OUT, THE DAY HE ATTACKED MEGAN KELLY. YOU'RE RIGHT, COVERING THE TRIAL AS A THING HAPPENING TO HIM AND NOT HIM, IS ON US. I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THE JOURNALISM THAT DROVE THE COVERAGE OF HIM IN '16, '17, '18. THERE'S NO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM THAT'S GOING TO UNVEIL HOW AUTOCRATIC HE'S GOING TO BE IF ELECTED. HE'S SAYING IT FROM THE PODIUM. HE'S SAYING IT IN "TIME" MAGAZINE. WHAT'S THE FAILURE TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S SAYING OUT LOUD? >> THIS IS A TREND THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR DECADES NOW. DONALD IS INCREDIBLY GOOD AT PUSHING THE ENVELOPE AND PULLING BACK -- IN THOSE RARE INSTANCES IN WHICH HE GETS PUSHBACK. USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS HE PUSHES THE ENVELOPE, HE BREAKS NORMS, HE DEFIES EXPECTATIONS AND GETS AWAY WITH IT. BEING WHO HE IS HE PUSHES THE ENVELOPE SOME MORE TO SEE WHAT ELSE HE CAN GET AWAY WITH. HE NORMALIZES OUTRAGEOUS, EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR. SO WE'RE LITERALLY AT THE POINT WHERE WE SAY WE DON'T NEED TO ANALYZE OR INTERPRET ANYTHING. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE. HE'S LITERALLY SAYING, I AM GOING TO BE AN AUTHORITARIAN. I AM GOING TO TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS. I'M GOING TO SAY ANYTHING I NEED TO SAY IN ORDER TO GET BACK INTO POWER. AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, I WILL NOT BE STOPPED. HE HAS SO MUCH HELP IN THIS ENDEAVOR THAT I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE FOURTH ESTATE STEP UP BECAUSE, AS WE SAW LAST WEEK, THE SUPREME COURT CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO. >> WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR RUNNING AGAINST HIM THIS TIME? >> I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ADVICE I WOULD HAVE HAD IN 2020, WHICH IS HE NEEDS TO BE RELENTLESSLY MOCKED AT EVERY TURN. WE SEE IN THE COURTROOM HE'S NOT HANDLING THE CIRCUMSTANCES WELL. HE'S NOT HANDLING THE CONFINEMENT OR THE FACT THAT HE HAS NO POWER IN THIS SPACE AND THAT'S WHY -- ANOTHER REASON LAST WEEK WAS DEMORALIZING IS BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT GAVE HIM A MUCH-NEEDED BOOST. SO IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF HE WERE JUST FORCED TO WALLOW IN THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS. WE SEE HIM LOOKING LIKE HE'S FALLING ASLEEP. WHETHER OR NOT HE'S FALLING ASLEEP -- HE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE. SOMETHING I DON'T SEE BEING PAID ATTENTION TO, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT, DONALD TRUMP IS THERE TRAPPED IN THAT COURTROOM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID. THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THAT COURTROOM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID. HE DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE THAT THEY'RE ALSO COLD AND TIRED AND DON'T WANT TO BE THERE. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW SELFISH HE IS AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE'S CIRCUMSTANCES, EVEN IF HE CAUSED THEM. I THINK JUST HAMMERING AWAY ON HIS WEAKNESSES AND HIS FRAILTY, AND I MEAN THAT PSYCHOLOGICALLY, THE BETTER IT IS BECAUSE HE'S BEEN ALLOWED TO ESCAPE FOR SO LONG BY PRETENDING JUST BECAUSE
