- It's finally time. You've pulled together enough scratch to build yourself a sick, new gaming PC, but where's the GPU? This story has played out
countless times this year. And manufacturers say
that it'll keep happening for a long time yet. So it's clear that until
the situation improves, we need some way to gain without paying extortionist
prices on eBay. Something like a CPU that
you'd actually wanna use, but with integrated
graphics that don't suck. And hey, wait a minute, AMD has one of those. So then why did they make it
so damn hard for us to get one? I mean, it's easy to get stuff
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with two premium drivers at the end of this video. (upbeat music) APU stands for accelerated
processing unit, and it's nothing new, in fact, nearly Intel's
entire consumer CPU lineup was technically an APU by the time AMD launched
their first one in 2011. But that doesn't mean that AMD was playing some kind of copycat game. You see, while an APU is
fundamentally just a CPU with a GPU glued onto it, so sexier branding for
integrated graphics, what most people forget, is the game-changing value that those first APUs brought to the table performing so well, at
least in GPU heavy tasks, that they effectively
killed the value proposition of entry-level discrete graphics cards. So while Intel had APUs,
only AMD had the confidence to imagine a future where CPU and GPU could become greater than
the sum of their parts. This led to a surge in APU
equipped desktops and laptops in the early to mid 2010s. To very in particular was a major step towards fully uniting the CPU and GPU, and was a low priced and
readily available alternative to Intel's unicorn Iris Pro Graphics. - That's actually very cool if you care about the streaming. - Unfortunately, while AMD's Radian team was having a golden age of sorts thanks to the then new GCN architecture, the CPU team was, oh, no, that's just the
end of that sentence. They just were. So APUs were relegated to
the cheapest of budget PCs, thanks to their uncompetitive
CPU performance, but then, starting with the
Ryzen 4000 series in mid 2020, AMD began producing APUs
with their characteristically excellent integrated graphics and as many as eight of their
high performance Zen 2 cores. Finally, it's the APUs time to shine, except for one small problem. You can't bloody buy one,
at least not for your PC. For almost a year, AMD has restricted these parts to OEMs, meaning that while they're
perfectly compatible with any motherboard off
the shelf pretty much, they can only be obtained
as part of a pre-built PC. It's like, come on! We're in the middle of a GPU shortage, the likes of which we have never seen where people need graphics
that they can use today and upgrade tomorrow. AMD, you are basically handing
these customers to Intel. And the worst part is that nearly every bloody Ryzen
motherboard on the market has these onboard video parts that we can't freaking use 'cause we can't buy the CPU's for them. Excuse me, APUs. Just, lttstore.com. When I pointed out the
ridiculousness of this situation, AMD immediately responded saying they are planning
to bring their Zen 3 based 5000 series APUs to
retail later this year. And we'll definitely be looking
at those, so get subscribed. But in the meantime, we found out that quietpc.com is quietly selling 4000 series APUs like the Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G
directly to end users as long as it's accompanied by
a motherboard cooler and RAM, which is perfectly reasonable if you're gonna build the system. So this right here then, is an 8 core CPU with an
8 core GPU attached to it for what works out to be about $360. That's only about $30
higher than the launch price of the GPU list equivalent
to this, the Ryzen 7 3700X. So as long as the onboard
graphics is good enough to use and beat whatever graphics
card we can obtain for $30, we're laughing. What can we obtain for $30? Nothing. So, we decided to settle for the minimum that we'd be comfortable
with for gaming today. A Maxwell-based G-Force GTX 750Ti which is worth 75 to
$100 on eBay these days for some reason. I mean, it shouldn't surprise me when even worthless cards like the GT 1030 are going for $100 right now. So even ignoring the DVI only outputs, this dGPU is gonna have to be a lot faster than this GPU to justify its price. Starting at 720 medium,
the Radeon GPU is close, but not quite up to the
G-forces performance in Shadow Of The Tomb Raider and the dGPU pulls even
further ahead in GTA 5, an older title with little
support for multithreading. Now in videos cards prior to turing were stronger and older titles like this, but it's less true with
modern DirectX 12 ones. And this is exemplified by both the when the APU pulls off an F1 2020 and the absolute thrashing
it gives the dGPU and Forza Horizon 4, that is more half again as fast. Microsoft Flight Simulator
is traditionally CPU bound but definitely GPU bound in this scenario and gives us similar
results between the two and CS:GO as well. It's usually CPU bound, but here we see some of that pre-turing and video optimization for traditional rendering paths showing with minimum frame rates
being the biggest win by far for the dGPU. Depending on the game though, you might actually prefer
running at a higher resolution versus having more in game iCade enabled. So we ran a second set of tests at 10 ADP with low presets. As expected, both GPUs do struggle here. At least partially thanks
to their slow memory. Remember guys, iGPUs
rely on the performance of your system memory, which is both slower
typically than video memory, and is shared with the CPU. And as for the 750Ti,
it's just really old. So Shadow Of The Tomb Raider yielded similar results to 720p, but GTA 5 gives our dGPU a
chance to shine yet again, in spite of this pulling ahead of the GPU by nearly 40% in minimum frame rates. F1 2020 curiously has a
slight win to the dGPU, although it is within 5FPS, while Forza once again
brings the iGPU way ahead as high as 59% faster in the 5% lows. Flight Sim is a wash here with both GPU's starved
for memory bandwidth, and CS:GO, once again
shows the Nvidia dGPUs traditional rendering strength. In total then, that leaves us with
slightly better performance for the integrated
Radeon graphics at 720p, and a solid win for the dGPU at 10 ADP. But Linus, you might say, you know that graphics card is ancient. Surely a modern one would
be a better comparison. Yeah, we know, and we tried, but a modern dedicated graphics card goes for at minimum 150 plus for a Radeon RX550 and $300
for a G-Force GTX 1650, that is five to 10 times the cost of our Radeon integrated graphics. And while yes, they are a lot faster. They're not faster by
enough to justify the price. And you gotta remember
guys, for many gamers, these are temporary fixes while they're waiting
in a back order queue. So 30 bucks, I mean, that's probably
walking around money if you're saving for
a 30, 60 or something. 150 to $300, that ain't
walking around money, ladies and gentlemen. So you have to ask yourself then, with the GPU shortage projected
to continue well into 2022, which would you rather, be stuck paying scalper prices for a GPU that will probably
be literally e-waste by the time you're ready
to get something modern to replace it, or take a last Gen but
still really decent CPU with $30 onboard it's bolted to it that has the added benefit of having an excellent upgrade path? I would bet money that this thing will hold a
amount of its resale value when it's time to get rid of it, at least compared to a
seven-year-old graphics card, and because APUs no longer use a different motherboard socket, a Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 chip is just a chip swap away
when the time comes. Of course, there's probably a limit to how many of these bundles that quiet PC can get their hands on, which is why I'm both frustrated that AMD has kept these parts out of the spotlight for so long, and also excited to see
there's Zen 3 based successors in the hands of enthusiasts
later this year. Now, given that these are
probably gonna slot in behind the 5600X and 5800X in pricing, these are gonna be no brainers. Not just for interim buyers
waiting for new GPUs, but also for value builds
in the years to come. At least I hope so, we haven't reviewed them yet. Just like I hope to tell you
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Would have been an even better comparison to throw the 3200g in the mix. You can still actually buy those in my region.
It is unclear to me how many dgpu PCIE lanes are available for the 4000/5000 APUs?
Someone needs to explain to Squeaky the difference between OEM and retail...;) Looks like that's got him all confused and troubled. Have no idea where his idea of the "best" AMD CPU originates, however! There are many who would disagree for all the obvious reasons, yawn.
You're almost a year late, Linus. It's now the 5700G.
I still waiting for 5700g
Linus amuses me, he will post videos about buying a ton of crap from eBay or China…. Then post this stuff saying you can’t get one.
I got a 4750g from eBay/China for 350$ and only took two weeks to get to me back in the fall. I’m going to be selling it since I’m repurposing the machine to my wife with a 4350ge instead. She doesn’t need 8 cores lol.
So check out ebay. :)
Does it have L1 cache like the latest GPUs?
I'm so sad about this, I had to go with Ryzen 3400g. A 6 core APU would have been Such a lovely thing(I want to type this with extra large all caps!)
I have bought 2 4750g processors so far They are fantastic. Full 2k graphics in everything 40+fps good'nuff for me