World Over - 2020-07-09 - Full Episode with Raymond Arroyo

the Communist Chinese government has imposed a strict new security law on Hong Kong how will it affect religious freedom retired Bishop of Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zhen is here with an update many Catholic leaders have lent their support to black lives matter the organization does the ideology mesh with Catholic teaching co-host of Morning Glory on EWTN radio Deccan Herald Burke sever's joins us with his thoughts and a Catholic charity CEO in the Diocese of Spokane Washington recently made stunning assertions about racism Bishop Thomas Daley of Spokane is here with his reaction finally the US Supreme Court handed down a major pro-life decision this week in favor of the Little Sisters of the Poor Gayle Trotter from the judicial crisis network is here with analysis the world over begins right now [Music] now Raymond Arroyo a warm welcome to all of you in the United States and the world over we're delighted to have you with us Cardinal Joseph's in Deccan Herald Burke sever's Bishop Thomas Daley and Gale Trotter are all straight ahead if you'd like to comment on tonight's show send me a tweet I'm at Raymond Arroyo you can always follow me there for the latest news lots to cover first a bit of news to share with you a Bishop of the underground Catholic Church in China missing for 17 years is now feared dead Bishop James su G min would have been 88 years old and was last seen in 2003 bishop su was first arrested in 1997 for refusing to join the state sanctioned catholic patriotic Association the communist-run church communist officials are pressing the Vatican to recognize his former assistant bishop as the new ordinary that former assistant is a member of the state-run Catholic Church and vice chairman of the local Chinese Catholic patriotic Association the Communist Chinese government recently passed in China a new law cracking down on dissent in Hong Kong on Sunday Pope Francis was expected to mention China's new security law but reportedly skipped those remarks in his customary Angelus address more details on all of that in our next segment he is the retired Bishop of Hong Kong and joins us tonight with an update on the persecuted Church in his native China and how the so called security law recently enacted in Hong Kong may affect religious freedom please welcome back to the program Joseph Cardinal Zhen your eminence thank you for being here as I mentioned on June 30th China passed this new security law for Hong Kong it makes it easier for them to punish protesters it reduces Hong Kong's autonomy the details of the law were kept secret until it was passed and it criminalizes any act of secession breaking away from the country subversion undermining the power or authority of the central government terrorism using violence or intimidation against people or collusion with foreign or external forces now in addition honk we'll have to establish its own national security Commission to enforce this law with Beijing appointing an advisor now Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted and not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body if the new law conflicts with any Hong Kong statute the Beijing law takes priority it effectively strips away the freedom of speech and protest for the people of Hong Kong your eminence what does this mean to the Catholic Church and to your fellow citizens in Hong Kong I think there is no need to to distinguish the church from the people because the the ease or there is no freedom so when you have freedom you have also released freedom and we don't have religious freedom because we don't have freedom now with this so-called national security law we are back to the Cultural Revolution and they have you know everything in the basic law in this agreement with the United Kingdom and so we are at the mercy of this new commission and okay I went through the whole text of the law it's easy to tell you just in one sentence now they can do anything they can do anything wrong okay they say normally it's like this and that I didn't say in the special circumstances we can do this and that so they can do everything so we need your prayer because we are in the hands of the madness of outcome Wow Cardinal John Tong Hanh who's the apostolic administrator of the Diocese of Hong Kong had this to say he said I personally believe that the national security law will have no effect on religious freedom because article 32 of the basic law guarantees that we have freedom of religion and we can openly preached and hold religious ceremonies and participate in religious activities the diocese has always had a direct relationship with the Vatican the relationship between the Hong Kong diocese and the Vatican should be regarded as an internal matter do you agree with that your eminence I'm a good brother to cut in at all but he has to to be obedient to the instruction from the Vatican and now to be with the Vatican almost means to be also full of respect to the Chinese government and so III can suppose that there may be some difference between what cadena hauntings and what I am saying because for me the de batygin is a is a pursuing constantly a policy of submissiveness to to the chair and his government and so IIIi I cannot explain the meaning of what can you know Tom said because for me the basic law is finished so do you know you don't believe you don't believe religious freedom is protected under this new law no no and even before this national security law people talking that our next bishop you know we don't have bishop now huh right season one more year when javi yeah yeah and they say the new bishop needs the blessing from Pesci that means the basic law is over because when myself and cadena jontron we were ordained the bishops we had the full freedom and but this freedom which is there in the baekje law but debate you know disappeared we disagree you national security law yeah and for those who don't understand in 1997 when the British handed Hong Kong back to the Chinese there were all kinds of agreements including that Hong Kong would maintain its automata our autonomy and would have its own laws it would be separate from the mainland it seems this law eradicate anything in that agreement that it supersedes all of that do you expect to see the same sign ization that we've seen in church affairs in Hong Kong that we've seen throughout China I think on the surface nothing changed us about religion and so we we may have better to to talk about freedom in general because it's about everybody and not only the church the church in making no difference because after this associate to so-called national security law they called all the representatives of the religions we Hong Kong they recognized six religions and the leaders and also other people from the Catholic Church I heard that there were five or six people when they're called by the local government to express their opinion now you can see what happen you can say in those circumstances we don't know what cadena Tong actually said but after that when interviewed by our Catholic weekly he said in this moment we must be united among ourselves and just concentrate in the work of evangelization now I really find myself in difficulty to understand what what is this unity because that means to to be subservient to the government to applaud to this law is against my conscience because this is always taking away all the freedoms not only release freedom but simply the freedom and so we we are losing the freedom of speech so everybody is afraid and I'm telling people it's okay if you're afraid you would be to be afraid because this law can do anything to you so many people are going away and I think they do well because it's not not wise to be sacrified useless yeah because we are facing madness we are facing a new Cultural Revolution you you your eminence have said you're prepared to suffer arrests and trials under this new security law do you worry that's going to happen soon and have there been any threats against you or other bishops in Hong Kong by the government since the passage of this law I don't think I am among the first people but anybody Hong Kong if you you come out to say something against this law and anything may be taken us against this law and said so nobody will be spared so why I should make exception of myself but I think we bishops even emeritus we have a duty to defend the freedom because by our Episcopal ordination we are now responsible for the the understanding of the doctrine of the church the church is on the side of the persecuted and so we are bound to to say something which may be taken as offence again the you know no your eminence this past Sunday Pope Francis dropped a reference to Hong Kong and a plea for religious freedom there from the text of his public message now in the text which was given to Vatican journalists before the Angelus address the Pope planned to comment on Hong Kong and religious freedom why do you think the Pope chose not to say anything about the situation [Music] I have seen the text which is a very mild in no way offensive to the Chinese government but here I don't know why the Pope are obscene from pronouncing and those words but I suppose you know all the conjectures that the casing of the people some day maybe the Holy Father thought that is better not to say all some say he may have received some words from the Chinese embassy Italy something like that and I think he is no surprise because it's a is not a isolated episode it's already a long-standing policy of the Vatican not to offended the Chinese government Hayward yeah there's nothing about the protests or the rising problems in Hong Kong prior to this law being passed do you believe there's truth to the story that the Vatican may have received money from the Chinese government to buy it silence there was that story last week in the around the world yeah that comes from a a Chinese fisherman now in the United States he is a very very informed about many things but I cannot be sure about the exact size of of this episode and even whether it is true but the fact that there is such a a plan in the Chinese Communist policy he called a portion of their business with a country that the money is used for such purposes huh and so III I think the Vatican has to come out and to deny because there is a saying that silence is to transmit so it's important to come out to deny because otherwise we cut you people we we can feel very much confused huh no the silence the silence certainly speaks in its own way your eminence you've been highly critical of the Vatican China deal signed over a year ago pointing out that the Vatican has gotten nothing out of it what do you make of the calls of Archbishop Maria celli to renew the deal for one to two more years I see Raymond III keep in doing importance to that so-called agreement first of all because it is secret I don't know anything exactly but I can guess the that agreement is more or less a way which things were going before the agreement there was a long time a kind of compromise in the appointment of the bishops I don't think that agreement being very much different but the things which happened after that much worse I like the lay legitimization of the seven bishops I understand that the Holy See legitimized many people but those are good people people who surrendered to the government and a very high pressure you you can imagine those times before or immediately after the Cultural Revolution and the many except to be ordained illegitimately under pressure and if they refuse they when they go to prison or to labor camps they died there so when the open door policy started they approached the Holy See they humbly recognized their mistake and they asked to be Reggie demise and at the time the prefect of the congressional evangelism was a courier Tomko and he made some investigation and then the Holy See legitimized and those are bishops you know good so it was a encouragement consolation for those bishops and for their people but now these seven people are all different for many years each challenge the church the challenges doctory and the rule of the church and even after this legitimization we see no sign of the repentance or their gratitude to the Holy Father for the generality for giving them and the USA went around singing triumph now they are winners they they have been clever to follow their the government but the wisdom is what happened one year ago the so-called pastoral guidance for the courage about his registration passed terrible a document without a specification from which Department of the Holy See and no signature but I know everybody know it must be the work of a patent apparently now last year the day after I I saw that dr. Mann I took a flight to Rome I am truly father failure I said I'm here for four days please call me I want to discuss my parolee on that document at your presence in your presence and unfortunately the Holy Father invited me to supper with parolee eaters and but no way to have that discussion when I asked can we discuss the Holy Father said I'm looking I meant going to look into the matter huh so so I came back empty-handed but not not exactly because I could see as some embarrassment and Holy Father he showed so much affection to me but he could not give me that favor because Pauline tonight that's favor huh and so that's very sad so now you world in a recent post your eminence that the Pope is giving the sheep to the wolves how so yeah because even you know those seven people and how how can they become bishops because two of them are not observing the law of celibacy that's not honest everybody you know I so I may be big sinner but they are public sinners so it's a scandal to to make them bishops we should be clear for the audience your eminence these are seven excommunicated bishops they were never accepted by the church but after this deal the Vatican normalized them and elevated them made them heads of diocese pushing out bishops who had been loyal to Rome and part of the underground church for years that that was the banker here yes because in those 7b7 dioceses there are two digests where there was already a legitimate bishop and they would ask to step down incredible incredible huh so I worship I don't think I have the words to use is a betrayal of the chapter of the real church and I made a list of questions about that interruption but no answer came I even sent the those question to all the Cardinals but we're not much reaction they are very obedient to the Holy See the United States and her allies have been very critical of that new security law in Hong Kong and there are calls to put pressure on the government of China what's the best way for the u.s. Catholics and those in Europe people of faith to support the people of Hong Kong at this time your eminence oh I know the Catholic thing in the United States are doing already but they are praying for for first of all because many people are showed me that they pray for China and I have information that many are also doing many things and I hope the whole word may be awakened because we now we can see the real face of the Chinese Communist Party and it's a now it's a spiritual warfare between the lie and the truth between the selfish desire of power of domination and concern for other people so it's a warfare between the good and evil so I hope that the whole world should stand up your eminence we will continue to report on this thank you for your bravery stay safe it you know in the United States we're having a conversation about the systemic oppression of people we're seeing it in real time on the streets of Hong Kong and throughout China labor camps we Gers the the the killing indiscriminately of children stare forced sterilizations it's a horrendous regime and it's right there if the world takes time to look for it and add it thank you for bringing it to our attention we will of course keep you in our prayers for love of my people I will not keep silent the most recent book by Joseph Cardinal Zen is still up available in bookstores and everywhere it's a worthy read your eminence thank you so much take care for you concert that ticket Harold Burke sever's is next but first a white California couple has been charged with a hate crime for defacing what's been called a black lives matter street mural David Nelson and Nicole Anderson were captured on video attempting to paint over a portion of the BLM organization's name painted in yellow on a street the mural was approved and permitted on July 1st according to the Contra Costa County District Attorney in addition to a hate crime the couple also faces charges of vandalism if convicted they could receive up to a year in jail he's the co-host of EWTN radios Morning Glory and a Catholic deacon in the Diocese of Portland Oregon he's here tonight to talk about racial tension in the u.s. and the ideology behind the black lives matter organization please welcome Deccan Herald Burk severs to the program deacon thank you for being here I want to start with a tweet that I came across earlier this week it was from African Cardinal Napier regarding black lives matter he said this a brief study of the founding statement of black lives matter indicates the movement is being hijacked by the interests and parties committed to dismantling the very values structure and institutions which over the centuries undergird the best civilizations and cultures your reaction I absolutely agree with the Cardinal and what's happened Raymond is that the term black lives matter as a social movement so as a concept and as a statement of truth it's a good thing yes black lives do matter the problem is it's been conflated with the National Organization black lives matter and when you look at what the Cardinal was talking about you look at their own statements of what they say about themselves they say things like we're guided by the fact that all black lives matter and then they get into regardless of sexual identity gender identity so I'm asking myself what does that have to do with black lives matter and justice done against people of color by people in authority then they talk about we have to make space for transgenders then talks about we have to affirm women that are free from misogyny and met where environments where men are the center so in other words get rid of the father's we want to disrupt Western proscribed nuclear family structure in other words father the other children you want to disrupt that and get into their own redefinition what family is ana says they're a queer affirming Network so when you look at that you have to sit wait a minute that's not about black lives matter it for them it's a virtue signal which is a veneer because underneath that are all these things which is really socially engineering hmm this past weekend sports caster Marcellus Wiley had this to say about the BLM mission statement while reporting that the NBA has chosen to paint black lives matter on court sides in Orlando for their games watch I don't know how many people really look into the mission statement of black lives matter but I did and when you look into it there's a couple things that jump out to me my family structure is so vital important to me not only the one I grew up in but the one I'm trying to create right now being a father and a husband that's my mission in life right now how do i reconcile that what I just told you with this mission statement that says quote we dismantle the patriarchal practice we disrupt the Western proscribed nuclear family structure requirement taken I imagine you agree with mr. Wiley there oh wholeheartedly Oh heartily and the see the problem is Raymond is that there's a the black lives matter as a social movement has been conflated with the national organization I'll give an example what I'm talking about I did a radio program for for a radio station Catholic radio station and the Archdiocese of Sydney in Australia and the the host of the show put up a note look on JPEG advertising just to have my picture his picture name - oh and at the topic black lives matter and because it said that people said how dare you Deacon you should be ashamed you can't support all I said was black lives matter say what we're what position or anything and because of that I lost followers on Instagram Twitter Facebook on my public page because just because it said black lives matter but of course you know when we talked about it then people can you know then they started you know backing off of it but it just shows you how conflated these two have become I want to play this for you this is also Marcellus Wiley he he had this to say about that decision of the any NBA rather to paint the sidelines with black lives matter and he said it contributes to identity politics I want to see if you agree watch there's a problem with when you start to go down this road of the freedom of expression freedom of speech and how much social space is allow for those who don't support in that same space and that's where I wonder where this is going to go in terms of identity politics we know what identity politics does it divides and it polarizes I respect what you're protesting for but will you respect others who don't support that same protest your thoughts Deacon and and I mean we've seen this in the Catholic context you people are becoming very you're the inner your out does can can a Catholic support the BLM organization and then I want to talk about sports no they cannot support the organization again the organization by its own tennis has nothing to do with triumphalism has nothing to do with you know our being superior to anyone else look at what they say in their own statements no Catholic of good conscience can support that because of black lives for them really mattered then why they're protesting Planned Parenthood an organization that takes the lives of hundreds of thousands of black lives every year what's their plan for economic growth and stability and development in black neighborhoods what's their plan to end drug and gang violence and what's their plan to strengthen families what's their plan to create educational opportunities through vouchers so that black children can leave the failing schools in their neighborhood and go to the schools of their choice where they can excel what's their plan to promote black entrepreneurship black business owners what's their plan to actually end racial division and injustice because I don't see it yeah uh Wylie there makes a great point about when you write an organization's name on the on the sidelines a court side of a game aren't you politicizing the game for not only the players but the viewers do you think that will hurt or bring a create racial healing and unity no I think it's gonna create division rain because we're already seeing responses to this people are saying I'm not I'm giving up my season tickets I'm not going to go to any games because the virtuous a virtue signaling that the MBA is doing I'm sure it's going to happen to other sports as well for example the national anthem for the NFL the black national anthem before the the regular national anthem before the NFL people are going ballistic over that you know so we understand what they're trying to do but they have to think deeply and seriously about the effect that that's gonna have what a perception that's gonna have for its fans and viewers yeah when I heard that I have to say I was taken aback I mean to my mind that that seems racist in its mindset because what you're basically saying is black Americans are not part of the American national anthem that is absurd they are part of it they are part of America's story at the center of the story and I worry if we start having you know national nationalistic national anthems from country of origin we'll be here all day well Irish national anthem will have the italian-american area national anthem will the Hispanic American national anthem where does it end I really worry about that it fractures people rather than bringing them together at a moment when I think we need to be together now earlier this week CNN host Don Lemon interviewed actor Terry Crews now Cruz has come under a lot of fire for recent tweets noting that he wants to unite people regardless of race creed or ideology saying he doesn't want the black lives matter movement to morph into black lives bed when crews brought up the need for black communities to address violence originating in and among the community lemon lectured him on the meaning of black lives matter listen black people need to hold other black people accountable if anything is going to change we ourselves need to look at our own communities and look at each other and say this thing cannot go down the black lives matter movement was started because there's talking about police brutality if you want an all black lives matter movement that talks about gun violence in communities including you know black communities then start that movement with that name but that's not what black lives matter is about it's not an all-encompassing but when you look at the organization police brutality is not the only thing they're talking about I know that I agree but that's not what the black lives matter movement is about Terry what do you make of that exchange Deacon and the admission that black lives matter is not about black lives certainly not black unborn lives as Kanye West Madison this week well that's for sure because look at their own statement again they're saying that black lives matter as a response to social movement as a response to injustice done by people of color by people and by law enforcement officers and things that need to have been going back as far back as 2015 now but the problem is is when mr. Cruz is trying to go deeper he's trying to go deeper some black lives matter as an accomplishing statement now mr. Cruz made the the the CNN anchor made the mistake of saying what was about racial injustice and police boom no but look at their agenda that's not what it says there's much more there than meets the eye and Justin look quick word about the black national anthem you know that that was actually came about in the 20s during Jim Crow segregation where lack Americans didn't feel like they were part so they have this it was again a national anthem to kind of bring black people together and I've heard that some like at gatherings of black Catholics of different black groups and things like that so but do you think it's necessary to have that before a game before the national anthem at this point I understand Jim Crow America we're not in Jim Crow America anymore though denken yeah and and so I think what they should have done was sit down with members of the black community and say okay how can we pay tribute or honor you know and respect what's going on and you and your and your needs and and your desires and things like that and before just saying here we're gonna do this because now again something that the national anthem which it should be bringing people together it's not going to be a source of division and that's that's very unfortunate I want to play this for you Joe Biden said this the other day during a virtual meet up about cops and how he regards them at this moment watch the last thing you need is an up-armored hmmwv coming into a neighborhood just like the military invading they don't know anybody they become the enemy they're supposed to protecting these people and we agree that we can redirect some of the funding yes absolutely your thoughts on this on cops being the enemy of the people and that police funds should be redirected to other interests well here's the thing Raymond I served 23 year Public Safety career I've held a number of leadership positions including the Western Association of campus law enforcement ministers the association of threat assessment professionals I trained at the National School Safety Center at FLETC I can go on and on and I also sat on the board for six years that oversaw the training of police officers for the state of Oregon so I am intimately familiar with how police officers are trained reform and rebuilding yes defunding no the idea of the funding Police Department's is a far reaching overreaction that is short-sighted and they're responsible you know why do I say that look if you'd the from police what are you gonna do fun Raymond are you gonna the front homicide investigations sex crimes human trafficking identity theft gangs and drugs you know well being a police officer like anything else Raymond is a vocation from God and our Lord as himself in John 15 no greater love than a man has lay down his life for his friends most police are excellent and they serve and dedicate themselves every day are willing to give their lives for complete strangers so no look if there were serial arsonists Raymond that were going around burning down buildings and killing people and it was found out discovered that the artists were firemen would people be saying define the fire departments are people calling for defunding physicians because some physicians do abortions and kill their patients through euthanasia No so why they do it for police officers yeah no there's definitely a political motive here and there's a lot of things beneath the surface that I don't think people are thinking through or looking closely enough that taken before I let you go I only have a minute what is the church's role here at this moment of such racial division and because you have pull a political movement trying to separate us along racial lines and exploit that what can the church do Raymond I'll just keep it very simple the parable of the Good Samaritan you know there's a Jewish map the side of the road the priest and Levite passed him by but then the Samaritan who were the enemies of the Jews he came by took pity on that person brought him to the inn and took care of him so even though he was there supposed to be enemies he showed him the love and the mercy of God so what we need to do Raymond and this time in this place absent of any leader to really that will bring people together we need to be the Samaritan we need to walk side-by-side with people who are hurting to empathize with them to hear their stories to feel their pain and they say yes I'm with you because our Lord Jesus Christ is also with you yeah I agree with you I think I've said this before and I'm spoiled because we live in a in a town in New Orleans where the African Americans and white New Orleanians and Hispanic New Orleanians we're all so close and because of the food we share in the music we share and sometimes the families we share there's a there's a real intimacy here that you don't have in other parts of the country spending time with people who don't necessarily look or live exactly as you do is a good thing and it promotes we haven't had the violence that we've seen across the country and I think it's twofold one we've been praying in all the churches here in New Orleans in the Archdiocese of New Orleans they've been praying a a prayer to end racism for about three or four years now it's prayed at every mass that is powerful and an unseen element in this and the other is that community unity that we we uniquely have that I hope others will benefit from and learn from Deccan Herald Burke sever's thank you for being with us you can learn more about Deccan Herald at Deccan Herald dot-com thank you again thank you for having me Bishop Thomas daily is next but first the Archbishop of the military services Timothy Broglie Oh has weighed in on the US Navy's June 24th ban on personnel visiting patronizing or engaging in indoor religious services due to kovat 19 Archbishop Rogelio issued a statement on July 4th lamenting the Navy's position saying quote the provision is particularly odious to Catholics because frequently there is no longer a Catholic program on naval installations due to budgetary constraints or many installation chapels are still closed end quote the archbishop added that because the Navy cannot legally prohibit families of personnel from attending off-base services the protective effect of the banned for personnel seems questionable we'll keep an eye on this story now last week we reported on the story of the CEO of Catholic Charities in Spokane Washington making a statement about racism this statement I am a racist my Catholic Church and my Catholic Charities organization is racist that was Robin McCann he's the CEO of Eastern Washington's Catholic Charities will needless to say the comments made national headlines here with me tonight is the Bishop of Spokane with his reaction and the steps he's taken since they were made please welcome Bishop Thomas daily to the program be sure daily what did you think when you first heard mr. McCann's video message there and what did your people say I think it was a message that initially was one of shock the sad events of the last few months in our country where there have been violence and trying to address the issue of race I a number of people phoned and called and both the priests and laity saying you know this is not helpful to blanket to make a blanket statement that the Cole Catholic Church is racist not to take from an individual's struggling with the issue but it was the broad stroke that the church is racist the entire institution of Catholic Charities is racist I think it was seen as inaccurate and some people even would say reckless now McCann you met with him and he since issued a letter providing summer attractions and clarifications of what he meant in the video however he continues to support the black lives matter organization writing our support of the important nonviolent racial justice advocacy of black lives matters is specifically support for human dignity which is a clear connection to Catholic social teaching to be clear we support the concept of black lives matter but that does not mean we support any elements of the movement that promote violence or violate church teaching now BLM supports the disruption of the nuclear family structure this is from their own website how does that not violate church teaching bishop well that's was the the conflict in fact in my letter a response to that I mentioned that it still puzzles me and a line was very clear we can stand for black lives without standing for Black's lives matter and I think that inherently there is a strong fundamental problem with the agenda that is promulgated by the BLM movement and that I think is where the conflict still still is and help yes it's clear that there wasn't a desire for violence or anything like that but when you look as you said on on their website and what they hold and their foundation it is so greatly opposed to church teaching on family life and the dignity of the individual when you say that in your letter and and I'm gonna read a little bit of it at the end of the letter you talk about how it's in conflict with church teaching and and it's silence on the violence we've seen rip cities apart has not gone unnoticed or you know and and one need not stand with BLM to stand for black lives you right do you plan to have further discussions with mr. mcann addressing his support of the organization I know a lot of people are holding funds from Catholic Charities over these statements well this is the calls have been coming in in in fact in one of the bordering diocese as the Bishop expressed concern to me that he had received calls of his Chancery as if to say that there is one Catholic Charities for the entire country or at least in the state of Washington and I think right my conversations which I plan on having with dr. McCann moving forward will address this I think I offered three concrete steps that I believe we can move forward on this I would say that it is an issue that we we cannot walk away from we have to deal with upfront because it is so fundamental to to how the church is able to proclaim what it believes and teaches yeah well and and and the idea that the church is racist I mean as I said weeks ago when this was first you know we first saw this this is the Church of Henry at Delisle and and Martin do pours and we've had black Pope's I mean this is absurd to throw out something like that now you've proposed three steps as you mentioned a moment ago in the arch die he's won at least for this year the annual Catholic Charities Christmas collection will either be replaced by or taken in conjunction with the black and Indian Missions collection you're also asking Catholic Charities to sponsor a series of speakers approved by yourself to address the subject of church and race and Catholic Charities will address the issue of abortion and its detrimental effect on the black community give us a sense of why you decided on these three action items if you will and was there a reluctance to your eye from Catholic Charities to address this fact the issue of the the collection dr. McCann said well we can just have will drop our Christmas collection and we'll have the black and any emissions and I said no I think we should provide an opportunity for a choice I think the lecture series of talks is very important because it begins first with constructive discussion that's respectful that's rooted in truth and reality rather than just clear emotion or candor into a crowd and I think that's been that will be very helpful there's a number of speakers on both sides of this issue and I think that's a very important starting point a respectful presentation discussion and then the issue of abortion you know since I become the Bishop of Spokane I'm in five years now we've started a pro-life walk within within the community and we have many people who are very strong in the pro-life movement and whenever I have discussions on the issue especially of abortion I said you know there's many voices out there both secular and sacred about care and concern for the poor for immigration a very important topics but when it comes to the unborn the voices are very few and far between and the church has been held up and also greatly criticized in circles because of our pro-life stance and the most vulnerable the so-called widows and orphans of today's society are the unborn their mother's family life and so I think it's very important for us to stay focused we cannot be a church for people on the on the the margins if we don't include abortion and that's as we debated the bishops conference preeminent issue when it comes to this and and all I think form that how we take care of the most vulnerable and in the black community in New York the statistics are readily available and that's a great tragedy now Bishop Thomas Daley I wish we had more time I thank you for your clarity your willingness to come on and the the strength of your statements this is something we're not used to seeing and I applaud you for it I know the audience will as well thank you god bless the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Little Sisters of the Poor this week upholding their religious objection to the Obamacare contraceptive mandate will this be the final word on their case here with analysis his attorney and spokesman for the judicial crisis Network Gail Trotter Gail as I mentioned the US Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled seven to two in favor of the Little Sisters of the Poor this is a decade-long fight against the Obama era contraceptive mandate which obliges employers to provide cost-free contraceptives sterilizations and emergency birth control in employee health care plans under the Affordable Care Act now in 2017 the Trump administration granted a religious and moral exemption to the mandate for the sisters and other objecting groups but then states Pennsylvania California and others filed lawsuits saying the burden of providing that coverage was being shifted on to the states claiming that the administration violated the Administrative Procedure Act the mijung the majority opinion Justice Clarence Thomas ruled that the Trump administration's challenged the rule making was above board and hailed the work of the Little Sisters of the Poor he wrote this for over 150 years the little sisters have engaged in faithful service and sacrifice motivated by religious calling or a religious calling to surrender all for the sake of their brother but for the past seven years they like many other religious objectors who have participated in the litigation and rulemakings eating up to today's decision have had to fight for the ability to continue in their noble work without violating their sincerely held religious beliefs we hold today that the department's had the statutory authority to craft that exemption as well as the contemporaneously issued moral exemption we further hold that the rules promulgating these exemptions are free from procedural defects and all that's a big way to say the the sisters are now free to not pay for those contraceptives what does this mean to other religious organizations Gail well this is a huge religious liberty win not only for the Little Sisters of the Poor as you noted but also for all Americans not just the ones who would also be subject to this exemption and not have to violate their conscience violate their religious liberty in order to continue serving their missions but for all Americans because our religious liberty undergirds so many of the important things that go on in our culture Gail Justice Kagan filed an opinion joined by Justice Breyer in which she agreed with the result of them that the majority came to but not with its reasoning Kagan argues Pennsylvania could further challenge the religious exemption as arbitrary and capricious in lower courts is this fight over no I predict that it's not over the battle has been won in this case but the war rages on and it is excellent that we saw that the Supreme Court came out with a 7-2 decision you only had Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor who were dissenters in this case but because it wasn't decided on constitutional grounds or on congressional statutory grounds referring to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act then it is something that continued to go on and you're gonna continue to see these efforts by the left to attack and erode religious liberty that's not plain to say well I hate to I hate to disagree Gill I mean I agree with you on that point but I disagree that this is a victory this to my eye is a very narrow ruling and in a statement put out Wednesday Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden had this to say about the Little Sisters of the Poor case as disappointing as the Supreme Court's ruling is there is a clear path to fixing it electing a new president who will end Donald Trump's ceaseless attempts to gut every aspect of the Affordable Care Act if I'm elected I will restore the obama-biden policy that existed before the Hobby Lobby ruling explained to people what that means what he's essentially saying there well the fact that this is even a case is a travesty because this is just a gratuitous attack on people of faith and the Hobby Lobby case referred to in Joe Biden's statement is where the Supreme Court said that there were conscience based exemptions were okay under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and I think it's very important to look at what Justice Alito said in his concurring opinion he would have ruled in favor of the little sisters and similarly situated employers by saying that not allowing them to have this exemption would be a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and we saw the response from Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg essentially saying that this is taking religious freedom to the nth degree and there's this this point in justice Alito's opinion his concurring opinion where he says it's almost like they're trying to establish a constitutional right to contraception and so it goes back to this idea that it's not enough for the government to provide this they want to to make the nuns and people who object to this complicit to violate their faith or to paint heavy fines or to not be able to give their employees health insurance and the whole justification behind Obamacare was to increase health insurance for Americans and not a single woman was identified in this litigation who was not able to access contraception so it's a problem without a problem Gail the problem here is you have a very narrow decision and despite repeated Supreme Court rulings what we've come to if a new administration comes in tomorrow they can eradicate this with a stroke of the pen and the nuns will have to provide contraceptives again that's basically what the court is saying here which blows my mind after all they've been through and years and years and years of watching this case I have to move on the Supreme Court sided with Catholic schools in an employment lawsuit the High Court said that religious school teachers who perform a religious role even if they're not ordained and even if religious instruction makes up a small part of their overall responsibilities are subject to what's called the ministerial exemption now that basically that cuts them out that exception cuts them out of civil rights protections afforded to other employees how broad is that exemption and does it apply to math teachers or science teachers that's a great question because that is exactly where the contradiction is and the disagreement is because how far should the supreme court go in determining what religious organizations can do in determining who they want to teach and inculcate the faith and this is something that the Supreme Court should not get involved in it should very much generously respect the First Amendment rights of these religious schools and to also make sure that their constitution their statutory rights under congressional law is respected as well so you don't want the Supreme Court making the hiring decisions for religious institutions and deciding whether or not a particular role is really what is just necessary for the inculcation of religious faith and here is yet another example also with the Espinoza case that was decided last week where the Supreme Court is coming down on the side of religious liberty and I will tell you that the all the four justices appointed by the last Republican presidents have all been firm in supporting religious liberty and that is something vitally important that needs to be carried forward in future Supreme Court decisions as well Gail I have 30 seconds where do these two rulings that we've just discussed where do they fit along side last month's ruling that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination because of sex protecting LGBT employees right and this is seen as a corollary to that where we're gonna continue to see letting litigation of plainness trying to to carve and erode religious liberty even in situations where it's clearly part of free exercise of religion and i think justice thomas has gone at great lengths to explain how we have gotten the establishment cause all confused in the last few decades and that bleeds over into the Supreme Court's jurisprudence on the Free Exercise Clause and so you're gonna continue to see these issues play out in the lower courts and that's why it's so great that President Trump has honored his commitment to make sure that the federal bench has independent faithful justice judges who are faithful to the Constitution because these issues are not going away and they're gonna continue to be litigated in the federal courts and eventually percolate up to the Supreme Court as well Gayle Trotter the judicial crisis Network thank you for being with us great to be with you Raymond all three installments of the will Wilder saga are now available in paperback audiobook and hardcover visit will Wilder ebooks.com for a preview and you can order yours don't forget we're also a podcast we're 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