World Over - 2020-06-11 - Full Episode with Raymond Arroyo

[Music] peaceful and violent protests continue in the United States and around the world what is driving the black lives matter movement civil rights leader Niger Ennis shares his laws preached at the Archdiocese of Washington Monsignor Charles and Pope reveals what he's seeing in his ministry to the black Catholic community in DC and later what happens when the protests subside what must be done next to heal racial divisions in the country attorney and pastor mark littell is here with insight and the papal posse Robert royal and father Gerald Murray joined me with in-depth analysis of the Vatican's take on the death of George Floyd and much more finally she's the mother of poet and peace advocate Mattie Stefanik dr. Jenny sue panic returns to tell us about the 16th anniversary memorial Mass for Mattie and the latest or her son's cause the world of begins right now [Music] now Raymond Arroyo greetings and a warm welcome to all of you joining us in the United States and the world over so glad you're with us Niger Ennis Monsignor Charles Pope Pastor Mark littell father Gerald Murray Robert Royal and Jenny Stepanek are all here who don't miss any of this if you'd like to comment on tonight's show send me a tweet him at Raymond Arroyo lots to cover but first as protests against police brutality continued this week controversial historical monuments were brutally torn down in numerous American cities a statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis was toppled in Richmond Virginia and several statues of Christopher Columbus were brought down including one that was beheaded in Boston Massachusetts early Wednesday for statues at a Confederate Memorial in Portsmouth Virginia were decapitated by protesters as well and this cultural cleansing shows no signs of abating joining me now to discuss the ongoing protests and the violence in cities all over the country and what's driving the black lives matter movement I'm joined by the national spokesman of the Congress of racial equality Niger anis Niger thanks for being with us the Nexus of these protests and and the focus it seems to me is black lives matter that moniker is all over social media I even see students linking to their website what is this organization and what are its goals let's start there well Raymond first of all it is a pleasure to be on with you I've been a big fan of yours for many many years seeing you talking to you privately and publicly on Laura Ingram's program and it's a real pleasure to be on with you one little correction um I actually got a promotion to become national chairman of the Congress of racial equality which is my time I don't think I've changed it all in Wikipedia and all my social links there you go know where we say you announce it here to let you know about what's that you've announced it here yeah I'm glad yeah that's right I've made breaking news on your program um yeah listen let me it's very important this is a very very serious issue what's going on in our country is extraordinarily Syria the protesters in the street I'm gonna disconnect if we will the protesters in the street the overwhelming majority of them are decent Americans trying to do the black and white in fact more whites than blacks and Hispanics and Asians that are just trying to do the right thing we all saw what happened to George Floyd and we were all aboard I think in the beginning there was like a poll taken within a few days of the video going viral and 96% of Americans said what happened there was immoral was wrong and the cops should be prosecuted now I distinguish those kids and others out there protesting I distinguish Pat mahomes who is doing some extraordinary things Michael Jordan who's doing some extraordinary things their heart and their soul is in the right place I detach that from the founders of the black lives movement one of the founders of the black lives movement who was just recently on Meet the Press ELISA Garza okay is and she doesn't hide this Raymond I'm not saying this about her this is what she says about herself this is what's on her own Wikipedia page she says that she is a Marxist if you look at her affiliations they are all left-wing and Marxist one of the other people that founded the organization has a picture that she proudly spreads through our Facebook with Maduro in Venezuela okay so the fact that these founders the three and by the way I was just yesterday this is total coincidence just yesterday I'm listening to NPR because I like to hear all sides all points of view to get my news and I was listening to NPR and they had a representative of black lives matter and they asked this young man what is the difference between this extraordinary new civil rights movement or what are the parallels with this extraordinary civil rights movement and the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s and this young man said listen when you had the movement in the 1950s and 60s they were male-dominated essentially it was one leader be it Malcolm X or be it Martin Luther King it was a one person in leadership that the movement rallied around this is different and it's different fundamentally for two reasons one its decentralized that you know there a variety of different leaders and to a big difference is the fact that this was founded by feminists they said feminist queer women three feminist queer women I didn't say that he said that and he said it proudly and Raymond if you just go to their own website there's everybody saying what do they want what do they want and we keep talking about defund the police that's just the beginning that's just the tip of the iceberg Raymond if you go to their website black lives matter comm you look and it says one of the planks among many we disrupt the Western proscribed nuclear family I want to read it verbatim so I don't get accused of misquoting we disrupt the Western proscribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages etc etc and then another plank we foster a queer affirming Network when we gather we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking or rather the belief that all in the world are heterosexual unless he or she described other world of the discloses otherwise now listen you and I and many of your viewers disagree with that agenda okay and we can argue you know that it's right that it's wrong and that's the beauty of our great country is that we have the First Amendment right to organize to petition our government to have a point of view and to express that point of view but neither my question is yeah how do you what does that how does that advance the cause of racial equality and what tangible impact do those agenda items have in the black community that you know so well that that's exactly the point Raymond those agenda items Marxist mentality in this freest country in the world that immigrants try to die to get to does nothing for the black community it does nothing to advance racial equality having the disruption of the nuclear family is a clear and present danger to the black community if you want to look at the crisis within the black community the fact that black on black crime is a pandemic in the black community and has been for decades you can directly trace that it back to the fact that fathers have been a chick have been chased away from homes through due to government policy and sometimes our culture and sometimes quite frankly due to irresponsibility we all know not just the black family pardon ya know it's all you're right it's okay what hispanics whites it's it's across the board American culture it's a crisis for all of us and the fact that they want to disrupt the nuclear family that is not only something that's going to not forward racial equality it's going to hold black people back now there are calls to defund the police you mentioned at a moment ago to get rid of the police force in localities I saw a tweet last night that's it BLM is defunding the police defund the police is black lives matter and that was from their official website now look there's no disputing George Floyd's death was a disgrace it was an outrage morally and otherwise and I seen other cases of black and white people dying at the hands of police what policies should Americans be urging now visa vie police and those they encounter I think the people in the community do not want less police they want less bad police every profession has bad apples lawyers doctors football players the media commentators civil rights leaders hey big will be careful the apples I didn't mean media commentators they're all good thank you but but but they are all professions have bad apples the community wants less bad police they want morons just talking with somebody they said why don't they do what folk used to do in the old days in fraternities you have a fraternity and you have a couple of bad actors in that fraternity and you go out you take them behind the barn and you kick that but not because you want to hurt them but because you want to help them you want to save them and that's what the people in the community want but they actually want more and increased communally skom unity presence they want more engagement by the police they they want more intervention by the police and they want more of a partnership between the police and decent people in the community you know this Raymond the number of black unarmed blacks that have died at the hand of police and the entirety of 2019 is less than 15 I've heard estimates 15 I've heard it as low as 8 but let's say less than 15 the number of blacks killed by other blacks nationwide is 5,000 was 5,000 is actually more much more than 5,000 in in 2019 in Chicago alone the number of blacks that have died is 60 over the last several weeks come on this is you were talking about a little speck the entire body of black America is dying hmm I wonder you were to react to something I only have two minutes Niger in a recent USA Today article entitled a letter to my former white friend a black woman writes to her white friend I want to read you a couple of excerpts here she says I've noticed the distinct absence of any comments on the prolific murders of black people in America my ancestors ancestors picked cotton until blood ran red from their fingers their lives did not matter in America they were 3/5 a man there were commodities they were disposable so do you think I'm disposable - is that why you will not say black lives matter I'm fine with us not being friends anymore truly being friends with someone who denies blackness is exhausting this letter is not an invitation for friendship this letter is a request this letter is a plea this letter is a tombstone now your reaction to that niger obviously laced with pain but there's that line we've heard it over again why won't you say black lives matter say that line why is that important look what I say is of course it's it's it's absurd - even the whole concept of the question itself of course black lives matter but I think white lives matter too I think Asian lives matter I think Hispanic lives matter by the way I think blue lives matter ok I think by the way I think all black lives matter not just those killed by white police in other words from the womb to the tomb I believe black lives matter and for those who believe in life as I do we know who founded Planned Parenthood we know that it was Margaret Sanger who was you Genesis that wanted to wipe out undesirables and it wasn't just blacks she was talking about she was talking about Italian Americans immigrants who are coming into the country at that time in the early part of the 20th she was talking about Eastern Europeans Jews and Catholics she was talking about whatever you labeled the undesirables of the day and that is the entity that is promoting abortion and communities of color to this very day and you can be sure that the Marxist who run the BLM movement will never utter a word about that reality the fact that that organization was founded to destroy black lives hmm Nigerian is a powerful way to end we will leave it there hope you'll come back you can follow Nigerian is's work at the Congress of racial equality at the Congress of racial equality dot org thanks again Niger Thank You Raymond joining me now with his perspective is a man who's ministered to the black Catholic community in Washington DC as a priest of the Archdiocese of Washington for years he's a columnist for the National Catholic Register welcome to the program Monsignor Charles Pope Monsignor you've served most of your life in predominantly african-american parishes you've seen racism up-close in light of the ongoing protests and the rioting what are your parishioners telling you and what are they looking for from the church yeah you know what and I administered in the back community I'm also as you know kind of in the white church too and I hear from a lot of different sides in the church and serving but the african-american community I mean I think that what we have to recognize is there's there's been a long and a shared grief in the african-american community you know whatever the statistics show there's a very strong perception and experience among them of police brutality distrust kind of a disparity in the way they are treated and not in you know not just by the police but in other settings and trying to hail a cab while black you know these these types of experiences are very real these are good solid men and women they're not you know just some you know someone who making up a story these are people I've almost grown up with and and I them and their experiences are very real and they have grief and I hope that grief in my heart as a priest and so that's certainly in my experience in the african-american community that ratio and justices are still very real and what are they asking for the church what do they want the church to do in this moment well I think generally is a lot of differences yeah but I would say the general ask is that I think all of us become more aware of it and I think one of the things that bringin we do very poorly in our culture all of us is to really learn to listen to each other's experiences and not just discount it but to incorporate it and to include it and to work very hard to whenever we see it to overcome it and when look into our own hearts and and to to see where some of that might lurk itself you know that how we perceive other people and treat them so that would be I think the primary act now there could be lots of legal things that you know that's gonna vary with person to person right alright now this past Saturday you let a Rosary procession in Washington DC with layin religious Catholic faithful praying for the healing of racism for the community why aren't we seeing more peaceful prayerful demonstrations like this coming from the Catholic Church not only in Washington across the country yeah well I think that I hope that we we actually are and maybe some are just more hidden in fact we didn't go down to Lafayette Square intentionally because we wanted this to not be politicized too much of this has become about the president this is about George Floyd it's about people you know he represents in terms of the experience of with the police this is about looking to our own hearts so we just directly wanted to pray that we walked in our own Capitol Hill neighborhood maybe that doesn't get as much coverage and of course our churches so many of them are shut down it's harder for us to be seen out there together all of these are factors and you know there's a lot of frustration that we've been excluded in our churches are still closed while other people are not demonstrating there's all sorts of things that run through people's mind yeah ya know here in New Orleans our Archbishop led a procession which also got very little coverage but it was a quiet procession and it was black and white Catholics moving along and like DC you know this is a very vibrant we have a very vibrant black Catholic community here but again he he didn't he didn't make a big show of it he didn't go downtown it and as you said we have to deep politicize this thing I mean it's becoming because we're in a presidential year it's becoming about presidential politics even though this is a local matter in Minneapolis though it happens across the country these are local police departments the president the Congress doesn't have control over these police departments and and and the brutality or lack thereof in the on the local level it's a case by case last Friday you wrote a piece in the National Catholic Register a priestly testimony of grief in these times and you point out that Catholics all share the outrage it would happen to George Floyd but they're also grieving it being kept away from the sacraments and even over the language Archbishop Gregory used when the president visited the John Paul to shrine last week you're right Archbishop Gregory said I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would be would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles agree or not these are strong vigorous words you write but why are such strong vigorous words not heard in denunciation of other Catholic institutions that have chosen to honor Speaker Nancy Pelosi or father James Martin or others who violate our religious principles what effect does this selective outrage have on Catholics do you think it's an experience of disparity and that's why as I say is I think in my heart as a priest I have so many african-american people I know and love and administer to over the years and continue but so many other people I know and love through the wider church through my writings and EWTN radio and and programs like this and they all write to me and they're really saying the same thing they experience a lot of disparity that they're selective outrage that some of our key core principles go ignored and this isn't to just Archbishop Gregory I think probably spoke very forthrightly but would that this appeals all the bishops would that they would be so forthright about as you mentioned just some examples like that so that causes real real grief in people's hearts that is it isn't for a different reason but it's that same grief we're not being treated fairly we who sit in the pews and really care about issues of transgenderism or marriage or do you know proportion and and and so on and we're not really being given an even-handed treatment with some others who you know or there was outrage experienced very quickly by the bishop so again these would be that's a grief about disparity and so isn't it interesting two very different groups but they haven't really had the same complaint and this ultimately unites us that there's sometimes an unfairness or a disparity and treatment that people experience in a recent blog post you talked about we only have a couple of minutes you talked about secularism materialism individualism being significant challenges to the churches preaching the gospel today after that rosary procession this weekend you indicated that the problems we're seeing in regards to racism and police brutality are not black or white problems but but a much graver problem and there's no doubt there's been a breakdown of community in the last few decades beginning with the breakdown of the family talk to us about how the breakdown of the family and the lack of integrated friendships and living had brought us to this moment this is something I always think about my senior because unlike living in Northern Virginia where you rarely encountered other people of other races I mean what I mean by that is black people and white people didn't frequent the same places I live in a city where we do everything together here you know including have families together so it's a very different culture yes it is and you know if you mentioned it breakdown to the family you look at the breakup of the family is the nuclear fission of civilization the family the individual is not the basic unit of society the the family is and you know the you split the families like you split the atom and tremendous destructive potential goes out in all directions that if it's not reined in it will lay everything waste and so it starts there but also we're with that we used to have a shared experience of a kind of a biblical world vision that began to break down in the 50s and it's all but gone now and so you have people like Governor Cuomo and mayor de Blasio saying faith had nothing to do with turning back the Kovach virus and there's no place for this and our the opening of churches is tough it's okay to go out in protest but don't you dare open those churches that is far too dangerous for you to gather in those churches and again that's a perceived disparity that causes believers everywhere real grief that that it protest has its place but prayer prayer is my place and we're no longer an amendment respect for this secularism Monsignor thank you for your insights and you can read more of Monsignor Charles Pope's blogs by visiting the National Catholic Register website NC register.com Monsignor thank you for being here good thank you he is an attorney and pastor of no longer bound abortion recovery ministry in Los Angeles he's working to promote anti-poverty initiatives on Capitol Hill and in urban communities across the country to tell us what must be addressed in the black community once these protests calm down is Pastor Mark littell he joins us via Skype pastor thank you for being with us you've written that once the protests and riots have died down in the wake of George Floyd's death we will be left with the need to face race relations in America and there'll be a need for black pastors across all denominations to play an active role what might that role look like concretely thank you so much Raymond for having me and thank you for your show and thank you for that question uh we are at a very very interesting time in our nation both spiritually and practically and so your question really has two parts the role that we must first play is to be truth tellers it is so important for the nation to understand that what we're looking at and experiencing right now is not about race and so our response needs to understand that in this season it is it is a spiritual matter we've got an organization that's leading us into anarchy we have an organization that says they care about black lives but refuse to celebrate an honor David Dorn or the 20 million babies aborted so it's not about race it's about power and so with respect to your question what role must pastors play we have to understand that it's about identity in Christ first and foremost number one if we understand our purpose and our calling then when we're able to move throughout the culture to do what we need to do the Bible tells us in Luke 10:27 that we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves that's important that that that has everything to do with how we intersect and interact with one another in the culture there's a place for confession there's a place for repentance but we have to start with understanding our identity we are all born with the imago Dei the image of God and so Raymond when I see people laying prostrate prostrate as white folks apologizing for the sins of the nation that looks like idolatry to me that is ungodly so I'm very concerned about how we respond to this when this is all said and done we have to understand that it's not about race brother yeah pastor you know I observed the same thing you did there is a there's an odd almost pagan form that these protests are taken where they have hijacked religious expression whether it be confession genuflecting hand motions a group recitation of credos it is odd to see that that and how quickly people get get swept up in the in the practice of it certainly more than than religion in many cases now you talk about trauma in the black community from feeling less than trauma from witnessing domestic violence drug abuse crime abortion and you write quote we must do the healing work within the black community and we must do it now we don't need whites to help clean our dirty laundry the black community needs a season of introspection and healing undiagnosed trauma needs to be diagnosed so that our healing takes place first and then reconciliation with other cultures may begin talk to me for a moment about that vision for healing and the role of father figures in the african-american community thank you so much Raymond in our ministry no longer about abortion in miscarriage recovery ministry we have men and women across all ethnicities who come in through the portal of the pain guilt and shame of having had an abortion and invariably without exception we end up finding that they have father wounds father's that were either not in the home or fathers or uncle's who molested them witnessing domestic violence etc I can go down the list and so it's very clear to me that we have a community walking around with undiagnosed trauma in the church that I helped run in Southern California they we have a Counseling Center and we have what's called a the omar' Institute that deals with trauma we did a survey in our church about trauma everyone invariably said they didn't have it but then when we began to ask well have you witnessed a drive-by shooting have you witnessed your mother or your aunt and your daughter or your your sister be beaten in domestic violence they yes they say yes yes yes undiagnosed trauma and so what we've seen recently in this response was by the way I want to make it clear that I support peaceful protest but what we've seen in this response it's akin to stepping on my toe and my response is to stab you that to me connects with what we see in our ministry you have rage in people they don't understand why but when you step on their toe they want to go there and burn down a building there is undiagnosed trauma and that's a role in large part for the church to play for the leaders to play to call out there's no stigma in getting counseling we have to begin our own healing before we try to punish as someone else for our pain what do you say to those and I've heard it this week that say whites are to blame for the pain and the trauma in the black community with discrimination racial profiling police brutality and therefore it's White's that need to make up make reparations for the problems in black America and your thoughts on black lives matter and its policy prescriptions and so unfortunately the issues are being conflated now because we're being driven by a Marxist organization founded by three lesbians we have a problem with LGBTQ that's between them and God but their platform is very clear that it is about defunding the police it's about destabilizing our economy and it's about capitalism versus socialism so that's what we're following we have to be very clear about what what's going on in our community today in addition to that Raymond at the end of the day we have to understand that race and racism does exist I love but our sister alveda King or one human race we just happen to be different ethnicity and it's okay to understand that some folks have experienced trauma they've experienced racism I have them in my own circle I have a friend who's afraid of Compton to see his mother because he's going to be racially profiled those things exist response to that is to elect proper leaders over us to hold police accountable with citizen oversight commissions which by the way is hard to do because most of these folks are appointed by the leaders and so we've got to dig deep into that but there are ways to respond to the things that are happening with police departments and and even in employment we've got legislation and laws in place that were enacted in 1964 1965 with respect to civil rights those things are happening but here's the point Raymond here's the point we could have government put laws in place butts in evidence is itself in the heart in racism it's a heart problem and so that's where prayer that's where doing the love your neighbor as yourself' comes in as believers we cannot forsake the the reality that this is a sin issue as it relates to racism and I can tell you this if we lift up a standard God will do the work as believers we have to be the models we have to be salt and light our identity in Christ is that we're salt and light the question is are we salty are we shining that's the question if believer I let you go past a little is that sin you talked about the sin of racism and it really does reside in the heart and I would agree is that a corporate sin or is that personal very quickly thank you so much it is personal it is personal and that's why the one to one loving your neighbor as yourself is so important it's not corporate this nation is not a racist nation there are people in it who in their hearts have sinned we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God thank you Amy yeah I agree thank you Pastor Mark littell we'll check in with you again and you can visit the prodigal Republican dot-com for more on Pastor Mark littell in his work thank you again thank you Father gerald Marie and Robert royal our next but first former Vatican nunzio to the US and whistle blower Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano sent an open letter to President Donald Trump warning the president about the threats of globalism and the so called deep state in the letter [ __ ] no ascribes a political motive to the management of koban 19 calling it a colossal operation of social engineering he also claims that the children of darkness are using the protests to legitimize violence and crime president Trump banked the former Nunzio for the letter via tweet which red so honored by archbishop Egan owes incredible letter to me and in Rome Pope Francis made a couple of significant appointments this week Bishop Mitchel Rosen skee of Springfield Massachusetts has been named the tenth archbishop of st. Louis Archbishop Electro's on ski succeeds Archbishop robert Carlson who reached mandatory retirement age last year rozanski is said to have a warm pastoral style and is described as a solid moderate with this appointment Pope Francis will have named 13 of the 32 metropolitan Archbishop's in the u.s. also appointed 49 year old Monsignor David toups of st. Petersburg Florida was named bishop of Beaumont Texas doops has been a parish priest as well as a seminary rector he also worked for a time at the bishops conference joining me now with in-depth analysis of all of this and much more as the papal Posse editor-in-chief of the Catholic thing org Robert Royal and canon lawyer and priest of the Archdiocese of New York father Gerald Murray gentlemen thank you for being here I want to get right to this it's now come to light that DC Archbishop Wilton Gregory was invited to attend that presidential event at the st. John Paul the second shrine several days before the event took place and not the night before as was originally reported in some media in correspondence obtained by CNA the Archbishop's office declined the quote kind invitation to attend the event celebrating International Religious Freedom on Tuesday June 2nd 2020 at the john paul ii shrine and due to a prior commitment he couldn't attend now Archbishop Gregory objected to the presence of the president which he said was a misuse and manipulation of the shrine Catholic Bishops have dealt with presidents with whom they disagree over decades why do you think Archbishop Gregory is so aggressive in his denunciation of this visit Robert royal I think he doesn't like President Trump it's very it's very clear and he has a right to like or not dislike it but his Archbishop of Washington DC he has a obligation to be the bishop of everybody in this city and I think that whether he knew a week ahead of time or a day ahead of time it didn't help things to put out this inflammatory statement when what he could have spent was this is an inopportune time you know the country is in turmoil there there are riots everywhere instead he may not appear and I think father Raymond D'Souza what a beautiful article about this he made it personal as well as political so I just don't think this was the best approach at a time when we needed someone not to just politicize but to use that Christian standpoint to bring peace and healing and reconciliation you know could have been a real bridge building moment father Jerry you want to add anything well Raymond the archbishop had regretted that he couldn't be at the event a few days before he issued that press statement and you know he said he regretted the inability to attend an event which he later than basically said was reprehensible so right decision going on here one thing to the White House one thing to the rest of the world it's better to just respect the presidency no matter who holds it and leave it at that yeah on Monday Catholic priests were invited by Father Daniel Carson he's the vicar general of the Archdiocese of Washington to join a prayerful protest in front of the White House clergy were instructed instructed to wear their Kasich's habit or black clerical shirt and to bring a water and mask and a move in or hat as appropriate signs and posters were suggested as well now several priests said they were surprised by the invitation especially truly given that priests have been told for weeks they cannot meet in groups of the faithful or open churches so it's okay to meet if you're protesting but not for mass Robert royal your thoughts well again I think the archbishop is passionate about race relations and that's fine but he should try to do what he can to move it forward but what he's done in other contexts he's he's put out other statements he spoke at Georgetown last week and he says that what people are trying to tell him is he shouldn't be involved I don't think that that's true at all I think that people are saying be involved but also be aware that you too have to be politically neutral and instead what has happened is he's put himself on one side as if Donald Trump presents racism and he's the reason why we've had this horrible situation in this country look when when Barack Obama was president a black man as president we also had police violence we also had rioting and looting so if it's not the man in the white house that does this like him or not like him and of course Trump does raise passions on both sides but I think he's putting himself it makes this him as if he were just on one side of a partisan divide rather than someone who is trying to bring all sides together okay I want to share something the Pope read at his Wednesday audience and this was a message particularly about what we're encountering here in the United States he said I've witnessed with great concern the disturbing social unrest in your nation in these past days following the tragic death of mr. George Floyd we cannot tolerate or turn a blind eye to racism and exclusion in any form and yet claim to defend the sacredness of every human life now a visiting fellow at Yale Divinity School told the AP quote Francis wants to send a clear message a very clear message to those conservative Catholics who are Pro Trump errs that listen this is just as much of an issue as abortion is and to pay attention to the racism that is happening and the racism that is in your own church in America I'd like to get your reaction for the Jerry Murray well that's overstating it to blame the presidents for the horrible killing of George Floyd by a criminal police officer it's not that's not Donald Trump's world I think there's a transference going on here that people who don't like Trump are now basically saying Trump is a racist the Republicans a racist we have to turn away from that let everybody in a free society can make their own judgments but to claim as this person is now saying that Pope Francis is suddenly aligning everybody with the anti-trump movement this is too much and let me just say also that you know the exploration of the state of the United States regarding racism should be done rationally calmly and with facts and not with this coercive spirit of alleged grieves matter and their demands to defund the police then you're a racist that's horrible in fact that is the kind of coercive speech and using of cruelty against your opponent by basically saying if you don't agree with us right from the start you're racist and we're I gotta talk to you anymore that's not what the way this country should be managing its affairs on Wednesday the State Department released the 2019 International Religious Freedom report during the news conference ambassador-at-large for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback commented on how Colvin could be used by governments watch we're very concerned that in the future you're going to see a number of governments that see an advantage here a chance okay we shut down all these religious institutions we're going to keep them shut down after the COBIT crisis passes because we don't like these religious institutions operating freely in the first place now Robert Royal I've heard from some bishops suggesting that the kovat 19 is being used conveniently here in the US to discourage people or stop people from gathering at mass while indulging protesters do you expect the US bishops to speak out on this issue and our First Amendment right well I don't expect it but I wish they would because there's a a fundamental relationship between the church and the government at stake you now we are nervous in this country where we still have a large swath of our people who are religious and affirm that in public and try to hold our government accountable we can imagine what is going to happen in other parts of the world where they don't have a sound a religious or a political tradition and have very high-handed government authorities who don't even need it the excuse for Kofi but we'll just use this as one step step further so I think our bishops have to be quite firm about this quite firm that they believe in the science they believe in keeping people safe but also in the fact that the churches should not be treated differently than other essential institutions in society right all right speaking of religious freedoms China has one of the worst records and continues to persecute the faithful there the Vatican China deal is set to expire in September and this week archbishop Claudio Mariette celli who was instrumental in negotiating and executing the first Vatican China deal said the Holy See should probably reconfirm the deal for one or two years jelly went on to say this quote it will not be easy the Holy See still wants to continue on this step we want to move forward and we want to reach a normality in which Chinese Catholics can express all of his fidelity to the gospel and also with respect to his being Chinese I always say I use a very simple expression that the Catholic Church in China must be fully Chinese but it must also be fully Catholic father Jerry III I have to say I was kind of surprised by these comments the Chinese government is communist and atheistic they're releasing versions of the Bible least with communist propaganda as we speak and the faithful and bishops are rounded up routinely if this deal is renewed what do you expect to see well more of the same bad stuff coming from the Chinese Communist government I think that the comments by the archbishop they are most regrettable first thing I'll point out is what deal are we talking about this deal has never been probably never seen the documents so therefore how can we comment on whether it has been fully implemented or been beneficial according to its own terms secondly if he wants the church to be fully Chinese well then why are the Chinese bishops themselves in Hong Kong for instance consulted and cardinal sin for example said excuse me for example was completely ignored during the course of these negotiations the facts are on the air just go to the videotape you can see the Communist Chinese are persecuting the Catholics this deal is unworthy this deal should never have happened and it should be basically put in the garbage can and let's start all over yeah yeah yeah well I I not only Catholics the wiggers Muslims the the evangelicals the home church people they're all persecuted and rounded up its unless they they toe the line of the communist regime so we'll see what form this takes but as you said we still haven't seen the text of the last deal much less the new one last Friday an essay was posted by one of the victims of Theodore McCarrick who also was involved by the way with negotiating that Vatican deal these survivors call themselves Nathan's that's the term they use one of them commented on the Vatican investigation on the forthcoming mckarrick report he writes this person's tasked by the Holy See with investigating the kerrick's career reached out to me directly as well as to several of the other Nathan's and asked us if we would be willing to provide facts and information to help ensure the accuracy of the report and contribute to its findings whereas the CBF administered a penal process back in December of 2018 that resulted in mckarrick Celaya cessation was narrowly focused on the specific acts of sexual abuse that mckarrick committed the more recent lines of inquiry covered a much broader scope based on what I've seen with my own eyes the Holy See's investigation looks to me like a genuine search for the truth Robert royal what do you make of this essay and although the report was promised earlier in the year when do you think we're gonna see it well we thought we heard through various sources that it was already written sorry the fact that they're reaching out now again if either says they have very little confidence in what was produced by the earlier version of this investigation or are we just getting a delaying tactic I I don't even know what to say we are this month is going to be two years that this investigation has been promised presumably people have been coming here to Washington and digging into this material here we've heard nothing from the Washington Archdiocese so I don't have a great deal of confidence I'm glad that this particular person feels that there is a more serious spirit here but we thought that have already been done and I think that it's it's a sign that there's no great sense of urgency to get to the bottom of this yeah father Jerry last word to you Penton reported twitter last week that multiple requests for information on when the McCarrick report would be released were answered by no no answer in other words they went unanswered I think what we're dealing with here is an unfortunate bureaucratic mindset which is that the longer something goes hidden the less people are interested in it and that is most regrettable we were told by Cardinal O'Malley back in November of 2019 that the report would be coming out soon we were also told by American bishops who visited with the Pope in there and lemonis in November in October November December that they talked about the report and that it would be coming out the Pope back in August of 2019 talked about or 2018 excuse me talked about being honest and open and straightforward in other words the whole phenomenon of hiding things and keeping them from the people which gave rise to this crisis that's only going to be remedied if this report is published so I heartily encourage those in the Vatican those advising hope to make this report public to do it soon because second anniversary of the mckarrick revelations should not be a moment for people saying well what actually happened we need to know what happened yeah my guess is the thing governing the timetable for the release more than anything else there are two factors one is mckarrick health and two is the lifting of the statute of limitations in these states involved and whether they want to release this kind of data that could rebound back to their detriment into the public domain that's my guess gentlemen thank you Robert royal father Gerald Murray you can find both of their commentaries at the Catholic thing org she is the mother of Mattie Stefanik the prolific poet peace advocate and philosopher countless souls have been touched by his message and the Catholic faith that informed it Jenny Stepanek carries on her son's message she's here tonight to tell us about the upcoming 16th anniversary memorial Mass for Maddie and give us the latest on his cause for sainthood please welcome dr. Jenny Stepanek Jenny I'm so glad you're here how does Maddie's message resonate in the world today though he's been gone for nearly two decades what do you think he would say given the division we're seeing all over the country I believe it would be very very clear he would begin with peace is possible and as a Christian he would ask what would Jesus do because that's how he lived his life I think I believe that Maddie would be weeping for the civil unrest it would be weeping for the racial and justices that continue and have been a part of our history for hundreds of years but I believe he also would be very positive and outspoken about we are many parts in one body that we are a most gifts and that we need to continue this conversation in education and a celebration of this mosaic and to stop the injustice and to take care of our neighbors all colors Maddie called his messages heart songs I want to play this serious with Oprah a heart song doesn't have to be a song in your heart even talking about love and peace some people might even call it a conscience it's your message what you feel you need to do now Maddie's calling Jenny was to share Christ's message of peace how did that heart song begin and where is it today in your estimation I think it was his words and his understanding of life and people in our world and spirituality evolved and grew he further shaped the hearts I'm from addy Heartsong is the equivalent of our purpose a reason and it's given to you by God from the moment of conception and I think in today's world Maddie would still believe that his heart song would be to be a messenger to listen to a God placed in his heart and choose the words to shape that message in a way that people can understand the cause for Matty's sainthood has progressed since the last time we spoke tell us where we are today and in full disclosure I'm the founder of the guild so I want that put out there and and I you know I always believed Matty could be and should be the patron saint of those suffering with disability the and those who have been called for a special purpose but the young particularly the very young and I think today they need that witness it's moved from you having a conversation with another person about this needs to begin cause needs to be open to formal meetings masses celebrating its anniversary to actually doing research on what is the process of canonization what information do we need and how do we set up a relationship and connect with our local archbishop how do we seek testimonials and the guilt now has it's a non-profit it's got organization there's a president there's a secretary and they're gathering all that information and testimony and meeting with people who have worked on other guilds to gather information on what do we need to gather and support so a lot of wonderful things are happening we have a website that people can always stay up-to-date on or get on our mailing list for monthly updates the Maddie matters dot org website everything's up there great and Maddie would have been 30 years old in July he died 16 years ago it's hard to believe this June 22nd the guild is having a memorial Mass on Monday June 22nd it will be virtual mass tell us about this year's memorial and how people can participate quickly Jenny father Jude with the Catholic University of America campus ministry my alma mater he does a Monday Mass every week through a Facebook link and we will have all that information up on the Maddy Mathers dog website well we will be tuning in I'll encourage everybody to do the same Jenny thank you so much for being here you're certainly in our prayers as is Maddie Maddie pray for us and for more you can go to the Maddie matters dot org website all the information will be there that 16th anniversary memorial Mass to honor Maddie will be celebrated virtually on Monday June 22nd 9:00 a.m. Eastern and you can go also to the Catholic University of America's campus ministry page but Maddie Mathers dad works probably easier thank you so much and school's out and summers here all three installments of the will Wilder series is now available in paperback and audiobook you can visit will Wilder ebooks.com for preview and you can order yours experience the adventure with your whole family and don't forget the world over is available as a podcast visit Apple's iTunes podcast or you can search world over on Spotify we're at EWTN world over that's all the time we have for now be sure to catch us next week until then we'll be scouting the world over for all that is seen and unseen we have some incredible special guests to next week and a musical star but I'm not telling you who on behalf of the staff and crew of EWTN news thanks for watching I'm Raymond Arroyo bye now [Music]

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