The Secrets of The Vatican | The Catholic Talk Show

[Music] [Music] hello everybody welcome to another episode of the Catholic talk show my name is Ryan della cross we have Ryan she'll and father rich Pagano with us here today good morning guys what's going on hey yeah so today we're gonna talk about the secrets of the Vatican right that's right and if you guys are listening right now on your podcast you can also find us on YouTube stitch our stat your Facebook Twitter YouTube yeah all those services if you go to you can have this you can find us in Hollywood to it cast media that's right if you want to come by for one of the shows everybody else building in Hollywood cast media studios yeah it's pretty cool pretty cool so yeah so let us I what are we going to talk about today I mean like what kind of secrets are we talking about everybody like secrets I love secrets yes these are all ya know kritis about it we're exposing about it yeah yeah awesome no so you know the Vatican you know it's it's really one of the most sort historical sites in the entire world and a place that has so much meaning and so much of history passed through it is bound to come up with some very interesting and kind of you know obscure places references and things that you notice most people won't know about so just by nature of being there that's right for that long so well you know we're gonna do our best India Jones Indiana Jones here and we're gonna go into the Tower of winds at the Vatican mm I'm going to go into the secret tunnel under the Vatican that most people don't know about huh and we're also gonna talk about why the Vatican has the highest crime rate in the world hmm and for all you conspiracy theorists out there we're gonna crack in to the Vatican secret archives it's all a conspiracy conspiracy I'm excited rise right this is exciting father rich are you excited I can't even sit still in my chair right now right yeah he's got he's got his tin foil collar on alright so let's jump in what do we got Tower of the winds first so have you guys ever been in the Vatican yes number of times that way I went with my wife oh yeah yeah and my baby girl one of my baby girls and I had this awesome experi with the Midwest theological forum and I studied over there for a summer at Santa Croce University and we had a full immersion culturally in Rome it was an awesome experience yeah yeah I didn't get pickpocketed though I'm hearing there's a crime rate so that's right you know the Vatican actually has the highest crime rate in the world of any country but it's small though right I mean it's like it's a very tiny state right is it it's probably the size of what Delaware or something no the Vatican is actually smaller than Central Park in New York that was a joke by the way I'm not so ya know you know just because of the transient nature of the people who make up the population during the day I mean they think there's somewhere between 800 and 1,000 yeah citizens of the Vatican yeah but because it's a really highly trafficked like did you say 800 thousand citizens 800 to a thousand citizens 800 to a thousand okay okay those are some really bad people steal it all that stuff 800 people and it's like really many crimes a day just stuff together and make sure you get your crap oh today Padre no just because you know everyone's going there and there's you know wide open spaces and and a lot of people are there and they're going in and there's a lot of you know products a lot of people carrying cash on them and pickpockets yeah it's just the ladies I was with got pickpocketed I was on a bus with about 40 days with seminarians right we're all wearing Kasich's and I look over at my buddy and Thomas and this guy was reaching into his pocket in his cassock Wow and I called him out and the guy jumped off the bus at the next night like yeah perfect timing for him to jump off the bus yeah yeah that stuff goes down a lot there watch it with rockets if you're going to the Vatican yeah watch it's on it I always keep my hands in my pocket everywhere I go when I'm gonna when I'm in a big crowd of people it's crazy I used to that kind of stuff here you know not like that even the cons concentrated as it is ya know I mean I feel completely safe and he's Cleveland but when I go to the Vatican man watch it roll your windows it's not forward duck duck no actually you know the crime rates actually per capita a hundred percent so you know according to statistics if you can believe them hmm 100 percent crime rate in Vatican City but according to list the crime rate is it a crime per person per capita yeah one thousand causing people and they say there's at least a thousand crimes a year yeah it's gotta which is you know like averages out to three a day so that's a hundred percent crime rate but most of it is people coming in on the foot traffic you know from from Rome and abetted consider so yeah tell you what so if any of you guys are planning a pilgrimage out there not a secret anymore watch your stuff it's not a seats not a secret yeah we just exposed we're exposing Vatican's secret exposed what you got next man was I'm talking about I like the tunnel thing that's interesting elves are always cool we were reading about that last night the tunnels in Oregon you know oh yeah different different tunnels sad yes but but I mean it's kind of it's kind of cool like you know how people was just digging underground you know making pass and stuff this tunnel was between Castel Sant'Angelo and the Vatican rent that's right so you know the Vatican has always been you know back when is you know the papal States it really was a capital of a secular power as well so I mean you've had a lot of invasions in history of you know various emperors of Europe invading Vatican City to either you know break this power that power to you know gain Attila the Hun was one of them till uh I mean you've had well I mean but I mean even Christian Kings were coming in there and raiding Rome to kind of apply their influence over the papacy you know whether it was rival claimants for the Holy Roman Emperor or if it was you know France because the Pope was supporting you know you know the German Prince over this so there's been a lot of invasions and because of this you know the Pope had to make sure that he had escape routes right because if you're in the Vatican you're in st. Peter's you you know it's a nice place as far as places go to be trapped in but you don't want trapped in there forever yeah and it kind of is kind of shaped and the idea of prisoner of the Vatican yeah I don't get it so you don't want to get it okay well alright let's go here we go so a court you know you guys know Italian better than me but it's called the pasado de Bourgh go or Bordeaux or Joe so and you know it's named after Pope Alexander the six who was you know the Borgia Pope and he had it built and it goes it's 2600 feet goes under st. Peter's Square from st. Peter's into the castle st. angelo and that was pretty much that was his a pretty good route to get out oh yeah if you've ever been there and the fortress itself I mean it's pretty oh yeah it's huge yeah very very well protected it's 45 it's very fortified wonderful and it's got Saint Michael on top yeah that's pretty cool that's that's pretty cool pretty intimidating rivers right there two rivers right there you've heard of the the event where a large amount of the Swiss Guard were were massacred it's remembered you know in Rome to this day it was very you know heroic activities the Swiss Guard but this is one example where the Pope had to use it the Swiss Guard were in this title in this tunnel fighting people in the tunnel while the Pope was behind them and he was given them you know giving him they were giving him room to escape and I think let's say it was a the French we're invading arm and they held him off inside the tunnel so the Pope can get by and Wow story ends up he made it mmm but most of the Swiss Guard do not what I loved about the whole idea of having an escape route for the Pope for the Holy Father is all in defense and even the Swiss Guard it's all in defense of the succession of Peter that this is an important reality in the church is the Apostolic since succession and this is what's been passed down from generation to generation I mean we've been talking about it last night yeah is that there's a power to that that through the laying on of hands every generation from st. Peter and all the Apostles is then passed down into the structures of our church even today so our lineage is rooted in that and there's a defense of the apostolic foundation of the church and there's to be a defense of the holy father that's why we always pray for him and we not only physical harm but also spiritual harm you know because there's there's ill-will out there and there's the presence of manifest evil yeah and you know that could be an incredible thing to to battle you know so we need to battle that together and certainly I'm thinking about the Holy Father today Pope Francis you know saying a little prayer for him yeah yeah yeah and I mean like just the Vatican has probably been under siege a lot you know I mean there's so many instances yeah and and and what's there right now with st. Peter's Basilica it's like there's a church beneath that and then another one beneath that you know I went on that tour you know underneath and it's Kavi tour yeah I mean it was amazing meandering through these graveyards basically underneath the church it's like these guys just keep building on top of things you know it's fascinating and seeing that burial ground there yeah and you see all of the crow feety from 2000 years ago is Christian graffiti tagging and they're tagging stuff these brothers on a man I think that's a good segue into what we're talking about next because next we're gonna go into the catacombs underneath oh yeah it's not secret to me it's not secret not secret to me either right you bet on it but there's probably a lot of people out there that know nothing about the catacombs or the excavations that happen that's right it's mid 20th century yeah yes so you know it's not really a graveyard per se so back in back in the Roman times there was there's roads or vias and along that they would build little mausoleums for the deceased and there was basically like a street of the Dead so it's just a row of mausoleum so what's actually under the Vatican is a road that ran parallel to the circus of Nero mmm and you know rich Romans or whomever would have these buildings constructed and their family crypts would be inside of them so it's more it wasn't like a graveyard it wasn't like this big area that we know today where you you know you buy up a bunch of acres and you you have plots this is like they decide that this road is where they're gonna just put all the limbs that's right it's like a street and along it is just lined with all these - yeah hmm and it's fascinating because they had like these little portholes that went straight down to the crypts where your beloved were dead or their dog oh yeah and then you would pour libations down there and it was a part of daily life think about walking down the street or at home except for when I was at my grandma you know like a little so it's funny that you bring up tagging because that's that's precisely what happened to allow the discovery of the bones of st. Peter mm-hmm so you know along this mausoleum road rate by a neuro circus which is where st. Peter was crucified upside down in Nero circus yeah so then you know a lot of bad stuff went on there a lot of bad yeah yeah gambling gambling and then why probably pickpockets their pockets oh yeah this is crime rate in Rome right yeah there's a lot of bad something went on there that it's not to be confused with the Colosseum a slightly separate place completely separate calcium was more of an other side of town it's calcium right yeah but this is more of a almost like a long u-shaped horse track yeah and there's a lot of chariot races and then in the middle was you know just you know a common area of it and that's where st. Peter would have been crucified yeah so then after he was cut down because he was crucified upside down and these soldiers cut him off yeah cut him off at the feet at the feet yeah and then you know buddy to get in there yeah yeah that's very graphic represent you know I mean yeah della Croce his family line was probably that I'm hot blooded I'm hot blooded I think about these things gross you know so yeah so the faithful took st. Peter's body and because the close proximity of this this row of catacombs they took him essentially across the street and buried him and in a small crypt along this row mm-hm and you know the Romans didn't really and the significance of how Christianity and and how the faith would celebrate in these places that you know were celebrating the Saints that you know that that Saints the martyrs so they didn't think anything of it yeah but the early Christians were going there and celebrating Mass there secretly just like they do in the catacombs but so that really is the inception of st. Peter's Basilica was basically a small mausoleum so they were renovating the Vatican in the early I believe 1920s or 30s and they were going along this road which is now you know in the ancient world they didn't level stuff they didn't have pulled over so what they did is they Portland and they filled it in and then it built on top of it yeah so that's why a lot of history is preserved because of the way that building construction right so as they were Vatican's doing renovations they were able to go and underneath and they're doing the excavations and directly below the high altar of st. Peter's was one of these catacombs and on the on the wall well didn't they have a church before that like in the 3rd century or something well they have the same the st. Peters that exists now is not always the same first st. Peter's right the first day Peters was built in third and 300s gotcha right after Christianity was mainly after constant yeah and that one first the first st. Peter's existed until the 1500s but in they the one that we know of today is on top of them right but the foundations were starting to crumble and it was really starting to become dangerous for people dangerous and in the pickpocketers keep him safe and it wasn't even the preferred Church of Rome and you know most more people went to st. Paul's outside the walls or you know st. Mary major those were and the Vatican was kind of like you know it wasn't the important sure as it was for pilgrims that's right yeah so this is this you know when they were reconstructing it a little bit after the Avignon papacy so I think it was really to restore some of the prestige of the papacy in Rome that they went about building the new st. Peter's yeah so anyway get back to tagging yeah they found a graffito graffiti that said Peter is here or but I think of a petri any mmm which means Peter is inside and it was I believe written in Greek actually so they they open it up and they found a small nut and inside of it were bones directly under this altar of st. Peter Tim bones so if you literally take a penny and drop it from the top of the couple of the very center of it it would drop down through the ball the keno through the main altar the central part of the main altar all the way down to the tomb of st. Peter in his bones it's absolutely it wasn't planned that's the whole know this place that's the fascination yeah you know like the behind it it's like the Spirit of God was definitely at work in relation to building what is today st. Peter's Basilica yeah I remember walking through the scoby tour one of my first experience is there and as was I was walking down this this roadway as as well she'll was describing I saw all of this graffiti on the wall and it just started to grow and you know increase all these different Christian symbols and then being pointed to you know like this is precisely where st. Peter's bones are but inside you're like feeling it as you're getting closer and closer and like the intensity of the spirits just weighing on you and like this is a powerful place of prayer yeah and you walk through the Clementine Chapel which is this small little chapel that was so privileged to celebrate Mass in and with my family and con validate my uncle and aunts you know that's marriage which was so cool my first year of priesthood but right there is like the the foundation when you think of st. Peter the rock that Jesus is going to build his church yeah upon scripture literally Matthew 16:18 yeah yeah it's you get a sense of that and it's like wow God you're calling me to this foundation and encountering that it changes your life forever Peter you are Iraq and upon this rock I will build my church and on that rock is the actual bones of Peter and on top of that is the Vatican and that is the same to church and I just I think that's something that is this lost on a lot of people that when Jesus said I will build my church on you the rock he meant he was a contractor and that he was gonna make that happen no man I guy I almost got kicked out of the sky Vitor there's never been a more Ryan della cross story that I almost got so let's go I'm with my wife riding my best friend God rest his soul he passed away but I was best man in his wedding at one of the churches there and you know everybody's like you gotta go on the sky Vitor so I'm on the internet and I'm like - do I send English I don't know and I thought the email that I got after I put my credit card in that that was like my email confirmation kind of like here in America we just take it more like here I'm going you know so we get there and the guy is just like you know this wound up Italian guys don't do it and so I'm sitting there and I'm like gin I got this email and she was well obviously this is not gonna get us in so so it's a reason yeah so this priest comes over and he grabs me he goes you know I can get you in also God thanks man thanks he was trying to steal your wallet no and so he's like here's the trick you you walk in you got a baby you got a wife you walk in and you pretend like you belong there apparently that's like the the thing there and and so we walked in and I just nodded at the guy you know like I could do that I can pretend like I belong places so we nodded we went right on in that was it I was looking behind my back for you know at least about 30 minutes I wasn't focusing on that power you were talking about us focusing on you know the authorities I know there you have it people Bryan Dell across gatecrashed the Vatican yeah my wife so and can't put it all on me and circumnavigates complicit systems of the Swiss Guard how did you there is no Swiss Guard he went through the secret tunnel yeah they're packed they got squads packing the heat they got squads yeah that's the kind of people you're listening to everyone yeah well I mean come on I wanted to go so anyway yeah so they found the bones they were wrapped in purple cloth with gold thread mm and they did a scientific analysis of him and all the scientific analysis you can't conclusively say without you know better historical methods that these are the bones of st. Peter but you know if you were taking a circumstantial case tradition for 2,000 years have said they were there right there's ancient graffiti there's a church built the st. Peter and the bones were identified of a robust man of medieval origins I'm sorry of Middle Eastern origin between the ages of 60 and 70 whose feet were missing I mean yeah if you're building a snake loose if that is in a spirit and in your in your visit like that was very conclusion to you I was at Pope John Paul the second say Pope John Paul the second Pope Saint John Paul the second that's the order get it right Ryan I'm not here I'm not here to be given capital they're here to be right like breaking all the rules did you just give somebody a nod you're mocking the building is that how you got it no man it's uh that's an amazing story yeah no do you know where the bones are kept now no they've only been displayed publicly one time and that was a few years ago Pope Francis for the first time displayed them publicly but typically they're kept in a lead box in the Pope's personal apartment Wow leadbox yeah while ed why not you think why I kid I kid it there you go just fascinating good stuff so and to this day you know yeah well not not to this day since Pope Francis doesn't live in the papal apartments but you know the Pope's were roommates with the first pope and I think that's kind of cool it is cool yeah yeah so dim bones all right now let's go let's go back up to surface level you guys have both been in st. Peter's Square right you know what's the thing that stands out right in the middle of st. Peter's Square the obelisk is that what it's called yeah one of what 33 Egyptian obelisks and like authentic ones from Egypt in Italy in Rome that was made in Egypt one yeah yeah yeah so he the Emperor Augustus actually so there's there's a long history as to why there is a Roman I'm sorry an Egyptian obelisk in the middle of st. Peter's Square it seems kind of out of place strange so the Roman Emperor Augustus not just strange but secretive secretive it's secret it's a secret of etiquette don't tell anyone normos we're gonna tell you to share all of our podcasts don't share this one otherwise keep it to yourself all right that's right you know what guys could we just remove the share button from this video that's great all right so Augustus had it dismantled it came from Alexandria Egypt which it's like the the main town there right it's like at the time it was it was the big port city and it was kind of a trophy of war that the the Romans had you know taken over Egypt from the Greeks actually at the time it was the the Greeks who were descended from one of them Alexander's generals who were ruling Egypt they were called the ptolemies and the Romans took over and as a trophy of war they brought back this obelisk from from Egypt there's even a legend that on top of it there is a bronze ball and that the ashes of Julius Caesar were placed inside of them I've never heard that that's very fascinating mm-hmm they opened it up later than we found dust so maybe someone Astrakhan ashes that's right dust to dust that's right so so that so you believe this monument was placed right in the center of that circus of Nero that was kind of the focal point and the tradition is that the last thing that st. Peter saw when he was being crucified upside down he could he was directly looking at that obelisk that's what he could see based on where he was crucified in his eyesight and the you know the angle where he'd view so going back to the circus that's right so the last thing that st. Peter saw was this now you would think that the church would you know have this removed this you know pagan symbol but I think it really shows how the the triumph from Christianity over all the empires the triumph of you know Christ over the nations and the powers and it's actually today it's the only it's the largest standing Egyptian obelisk in the world yeah it's pretty cool it's it's crazy when you're there like you know me me just growing up in Florida you know it's like the guy who had the office over here is now over there you know this used to be a you know a gas station now it's a mini-mart and you go over there and it's like remember the metal that was on the pantheon well it's it's now inside st. Peter's they melted it down it's like the whole economy there of just history it's just the whole place is like a rich man it's so rich yeah I grew up in Palm Coast just like an hour south of you yeah Jacksonville and you know through the 90s there was nothing in Palm Coast it was like a stop sign and yeah late 80s and then into the 90s we had this huge boom yeah and you know there's no history there's no history but it's like it's true it's like that was where the little champ was before we would walk down the street and go get you know a sweet tee' kind of a thing and you know but it's true when you walk around the ancient cities like Rome for example or Ephesus or Jerusalem yeah there's such a sense of there has been generation after generation for millennia he and there's so many fascinating stories that we can uncover yeah and the ones that were uncovering today even though they're secrets and you can't share them it's it's so rich like it just really it fills your lungs with a breath of life is yeah there's so much more to explore and to adventure out into the world and really discover what's out there we shave history before we get any tweets at us saying that we missed we've misspoke the obelisk didn't originally come from Alexandria it originally came from Heliopolis or Heliopolis aina due to the confused oh you're making it so it was originally made under an unknown Pharaoh in you know in Upper Egypt and then moved by Augustus to the forum in Alexandria and then from there to Rome so just in case I had to hear any tweets that I don't know my stuff you hear tweets I do when we do these podcasts we all stay together right and we got to get ready the morning we're sharing one bathroom and father rich is getting ready process it's like an Easter Mass it's three hours long and completely sung it's just the whole time fly with me I mean the to Ryan's it's like five minutes in and out like we're in the military and him it's like the Easter Vigil Mass like six hours long everything is sung it's just ridiculous alright now this one's for all the conspiracy theorists out there and this is probably the thing that I that more conjecture and more you know questions have come up them just about anything in the Vatican that's the Vatican Secret Archives or the Vatican secret library now I mean if you go online and you're on conspiracy you know forums or the History Channel or the History Channel I got to tell you something though guys I've my last name is Pagano there was a cardinal cut up Denali flag on oh nice who was in charge of the library for a little while that's right in recent time yeah in recent time like art you know probably like about five years ago or something that narrows it down never really tracked him down though yeah yeah yeah I was kind of I would have loved to have a little bit of the secrets of the Vatican poured into my brain but ya didn't get that chance you never responded no like with family you know it's terrible so you know everyone speculates what's in there you know is there like you know secrets that the Vatican knows that there's aliens or you know is there historical you know evidence that Jesus was actually married or all these crazy things time they didn't file for taxes in the Roman Empire that's right sorry documents about documents hiding their secret crime rate so but really the problem comes from people not understanding translations and they understand that well it's the secret archive so there must be secret you know yeah don't tell anyone it's a it's really a mistranslation or a misunderstanding of how latin translates into English so it's secret Co the archival secret them apostolic combat a condom right which means well no that's right but but in Latin the secret part it doesn't really mean like God yeah it really means that the sense of the Latin word is really this is the personal archives gotcha so it's some really kind of a bad translation so if you really so we're debunking secrets right that's right that's what we're doing at least the goal was except in America of what a secret is this is etymology we're conquering this word that's right in a tamale so I mean really I think a better translation into English would be the Vatican personal library yeah and really you know it's its historical documents and it's all you know records of wordy cool stuff of the papacy things that were personally related I mean there is some really cool things in there and stuff in the is that stuff public like you can you go to the Vatican you can go out there you can go online and you can view a lot of the documents and every year they release more and more because they get them digitized yeah and it's Frank Hanna's yeah Cyrus no no I know that's in the Vatican Library Museum okay the Vatican Museum it's different place but you know you know they grant scholars all the time the right to go in there and and research yeah so it's not really secret it's not really hidden you can go in there and find anything but yeah I love ancient languages like Latin Greek and studied it in undergrad don't remember a lot of it but it just really breaks open some of the meanings of you know wrong words are and in English the word secrets home is it has multiple meanings like any ancient word so there's many very of how you could translate it and it gives about six here secret secrecy seclusion mystery isolation solitude but the whole idea of mystery uncovered you know the there is the fullness of God's revelation that has poured out upon the Apostolic Church and ultimately it begins in mystery and ends in mystery and the greatest treasures of the church in the Vatican's library in the secret library the greatest mysteries that we should really ponder and think about and pray with so that we can grow and engage them so I think when it comes to what the church has in its Treasury is something that it wants to protect and wants to isolate from just regular contact because they are treasures and and you do have to keep them safe yes right there they have a very the very rigid which I'm sure don't tell Paul Francis I said that but a very rigid way of protecting documents scholars are allowed to go in they're allowed to request up to three documents they have a certain amount of time that they're allowed to view them and if they go in and the curator cannot find the document quickly they say you got to leave for the day come back we'll give it for you tomorrow because they don't spend time looking for it it's like you know so and they you know the the protocols of protecting these documents is very what kind of documents are we talking about here there's you know like the first cartoon like what are we dealing know so there's Estados original works there's I think we have the fifty three miles of shelving 35,000 volumes in the catalogues now some of the things that are included in the Vatican secret archives so there's letters from Michael and Joe complaining that he wasn't paid to work on the Sistine Chapel there's a letter from Henry the eighth Wow there's a letter from Henry the 8th to Pope Clement the seventh asking for an annulment for his marriage to Catherine of Aragon what there's the dad's cool there's the transcript of the of the trial of Galileo Wow which by the way Galileo was wrong we'll do another episode on that that's cool Church was actually right and Galileo was wrong because he was like cut his head offers no no they give him a nice house and his daughter became a nun oh okay different gift yeah yeah Vinny Geller isn't that Kerala Buchi I know son they call him Vinny boombots what else they got they've got they have the papal bull of Leo the tenth excommunicating papal bull papal bull of Leo that's a cool see you Sam oh okay yeah I mean these people listening they need to know this stuff boo look you know there would be a much longer podcast yeah hmm so yeah the papal bull of leo the tenth excommunicating Martin Luther mm there's a letter from Mary Queen of Scots to Pope Sixtus v asking for the asking for the church saver before she was you know she was beheaded right because you keep these letters this long like you know preservation right what do they put like air in it or some no because you know it's not a lot of this isn't paper a lot of it these kinds of documents were usually on tablets no something called develop and vellum was a stretched and specifically treated lambskin mmm right of course so is it's good it's much better than paper and it lasts a lot longer and is much more stable in the way that they would kind of tan it which is almost like making leather they created development it lasts a long time huh there's a letter from Abraham Lincoln and another letter letter arrival letter from Jefferson Davis both of them both of these letters sent to the Pope of the time of the Civil War of the American Civil War asking them to support pies the 9th to support their cause whether he would support the Confederates or the Union Oh interesting there's a letter by Clement December Clement the 12th to the seventh Dalai Lama of Tibet saying please protect the Franciscan missionaries in Tibet because they are being persecuted so I mean there's a lot of cool things and these are just some of them yeah there's 53 miles and we could do a podcast oh yeah and there's things in history to I don't know if you could comment on this Ryan is the the whole concept of sealing certain historical documents for a period of time that then is open to be reviewed like Pius the 12th well you know the myth of Hitler's Pope kind of a thing yeah a lot of times they did that because the the time that it's sealed allows for the the death of all the people who had a personal vested interest in the matter and it wouldn't have been able these documents wouldn't have been able to be you know analyzed and partially because the people were still connected to whatever particular cause or whatever a particular faction was around these documents so by giving it a sealed amount of time it allows for an objectivity for you know historians to really view the documents with you know a critical eye not biased now you know remember we talked about this secret tagging so they don't be tagging it that's right now so remember we talked about that secret tunnel one of the times that Rome was invaded was by Napoleon and Napoleon he mess stuff up he tore Rome up he even kidnapped Pius the seventh so and he kidnapped Pius the seventh and hauled him back to France and along with him all all the treasures of the Vatican and thousands and thousands and thousands of ancient documents from the secret archives there were so many of these archives brought back to France that people were using them as like scrap paper or they are putting min candles to make wicks they were wrapping food in them they were using 1500 year old church documents because there's so many of them they didn't know what to do with them and they were using them as you know scrap paper and you know wrapping fish in them starting their fires as kindling with them and you know that really kind of put a big dent in it and after you know a lot of the documents were returned they've really spent the last like hundred years really reorganizing and has only been since I don't know the mid mmm mid 50:19 50s that the archives are really kind of back and play it's a kinship from eighteen eighties into the 1950s where they were really kind of reorganizing everything so wow that's just saying that isn't saying no you know it's just crazy like you know you look at history especially Western civilization where all these wars and everything were going on it's just like endless right and and you see these monks you know they're they're writing the Bible you know I mean there's no printing press for centuries they're keeping cultural history right are you know science different things like that and they they're the keepers of theirs the custodians of it and during the wars they were afraid this stuff would go away and people would just be like you know that's what you know into the mountains and you know placing these treasures and hiding them away was just regular activities yeah may take it what Napoleon could have done I mean he could have you know erased a lot of history he had erased a lot of history yeah so now it's just history all of fire in people's houses or fish or you know thank you fish thank you fish yeah all right so where you take you to one last secret place in the Vatican don't tell anyone who's gonna tell anyone why why are you asking me that I'm a jibba jabba I kind of run my mouth so I can't promise secrets alright it's okay so one of the tallest points in the structures of the Vatican is a tower called the Gregorian Tower or you know more commonly known as the Tower of the winds now the Tower of the winds is it's a small four sided structure above you know one of the wings of the Vatican Library I'm sorry to the Vatican Library but just you know in the Vatican and it was built for a really cool and really specific purpose so if you go back in time to the Roman Emperor Julius go back in time back in time that's one of the secrets is time travel okay I'm back there okay so relate hold on where am I again so we're back into what time capsule and the Vatican that you can get inside and go back in time no if you go back to the Roman Emperor Julius he established what's called the Julian calendar right and he reorganized the calendar and specifically made it 365 days like we know is almost fairly accurate yeah right but the problem was that they didn't account for the fact that the loot the Earth's year is not 365 days even there's you know a discrepancy it's not an even amount of numbers a leap year right so they weren't accounting for that so what happened in the 1500 years between dummies get it together so what happened in the 1500 years between Julius and the time of Pope Gregory the 13th was that the calendar had shifted because they didn't account for these extra minutes every year and the calendar so the big thing was liturgically Easter father do you know why Easter falls in the day it does because of the moon good because of the moon right so Easter is the first of the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox Yeah right which kind of follows along with the old Jewish lunar calendars because that's how they would have calculated Passover sorry so that's how we know the date of Easter right which should have been on March 21st the vernal equinox give around there right but over time the calendar had shifted so much because they weren't accounting for that Jim is that by the 1500s they were almost there I think 10 to 12 days off all right so it was a significant amount of time they didn't have the Google Calendar they didn't have the Google calendars that's right so so what they did is they commissioned this building and they had a scientist build this it's essentially an observatory in this room is on top and there's a lot of small holes in the walls right and that's why they call it the Tower of winds because wind will blow in through these holes but the holes were lined up so that on the equinox the son would come in from a specific point in one hole and if it was too aligned with a line on the floor it would verify the model that they had come up for the the rotation of the earth around the Sun and verified the exact length of the year which is exactly what happened so it was tested in 1582 on March 11th which meant that the calendar was 10 days off they were able to prove that it was 10 days off so what they did is on October 4th 1582 Pope Gregory said tomorrow is not going to be October 5th tomorrow is gonna be October 15th he wiped 10 days off the map mmm gone completely those 10 days in history never happened I was down Paraguay and we were doing a mission and we were building some schools for for some of the orphan kids of asunción and while I was there we went to Mass and it just so happened to fall on you know the the time change so we show up at 8 o'clock in the morning masses ready to get going and we're the only people in there and the priest comes out of the sacristy looks around he sees four people and they're all Gringo's and it's like goes back in the sacristy an hour later all the people show up and we stayed we just prayed for you know did a holy hour in the church and then the priest comes out and he explains to everybody from now on we're gonna be meeting at this time so he just like worked in the next an hour too as scheduled he's like oh I get to sleep in Sundays I get some coverage yeah so yeah so basically October I don't know October 7th 1582 which would have been the Feast of the Rosary never had ever happened huh never happened those dates never happened in history 10 days in history that didn't exist that's pretty crazy Wow so based off of these observations and based off that change is why we now use what's called the Gregorian calendar instead of the Julian calendar and that's what most of the world goes on besides the churches of the East that's why they still use the Julian calendar because of the tradition and that's why there's a discrepancy between the East and the West on the dates of Christmas and Easter and other days yeah it's interesting I saw that incense you play too they have a similar design architectural II where it allows light in and it strikes this kind of golden line and you could follow the calendar throughout the year and they have it marked on the on the floor that leads up to the wall and it's a fascinating yeah they had the same thing in the what's called the Basilica of Saint Mary of the Angels and martyrs and there is there's a line on the floor a brass line that does the same thing that it's basically a sundial and that you know on it was another thing that they did to confirm this theory so you know a lot of a lot of science a lot of observation when it's it's kind of like an Indiana Jones thing where on this day of the year light shines in under this line and makes 10 days of history disappear I mean that's it's pretty cool stuff yeah but yes but it's not the Temple of Doom no that was the worst that was by far the worst let me take that back that was the second the worst one the worst one was the kingdom of the crystal Scott that was thousand now yeah they should put that in the Vatican secret archives and put it under seal never let anyone seriously put it under the Vatican toilet and pour somehow you know hopefully some steals that just gets rid of it yeah all right so cool secrets of the Vatican yeah all right guys promise not to share on Twitter YouTube Instagram Facebook this is probably the only time that you're gonna hear us say that don't share the secrets go ahead and share all right so so we're wrapping things up now yeah but we got time for one more thing father rich you ready put my head on the chopping block it's time for the Inquisition okay you don't look so good so father rich you're aware the five sins that only the Holy Father himself can forgive through the apostolic penitentiary in Rome that's right so what are those defiling the Eucharist or using it in a satanic ritual only the Pope can forgive that breaking the seal of confession a priest offering absolution to his own sexual partner which i think is germane in our own times yeah they kid because they're complicit that the Commission's are complicit yeah right so they can't forgive each other for their own whatever mm-hmm participation participating in abortion although that is something that Pope Francis is given the right for universe universe Church and the American bishops gave that to provision to the priests in America but it's still because of a indulgence by the Pope that he's allowing it's still being forgiven under the authority of the pole of course yeah now the fifth one using physical harm or attempting to assassinate the person of the Holy Father yeah okay so here's the scenario and I wouldn't see how yeah it was no D oh I might have to call up my buddy Don Charlie who works in the Apostolic penitentiary on this one okay a cardinal yeah now this is happened before in church history you know Saint Nicholas knocked out you know air arias right right mouth it's one of my favorites punched him in the face jolly old st. Nicholas penstemon in the face yeah Niccolo nickel Omari punch arias right in the face for talking I'm say Nicky over here say Nicky I say Nicholas actually felt a lot of contrition for that and did a lot of fasting and repentance for using that's where he got that bowl full of jelly it turned into use very svelte ya know he was a very thin man but I would say Nicholas another type could try to avoid the question in the Inquisition answer me Father answer me always does that okay here's the scenario that a car gotta buy time yeah I know you have my brain wrapped around this so earning only forgivable by the Pope okay but a cardinal hits the Pope ooh and the Cardinal is the Pope's brother no mm and the Pope dies from the strike not necessarily from the strike you slapped him because they were in an argument and then a couple days later the Pope dies of a broken heart right now in the Conclave that bishop who struck the pope is elected pope dun dun da who can forgive that sin and does that create a paradox that makes another unforgivable sin like the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit so is there actually two sins that are unforgivable because only the Pope can forgive somebody for hitting the Pope but the Pope who did it this time that I'm going to so the apostolic penitentiary is one of the tribunal offices that is active in say this vac Entei so when the seat is vacant right the Holy Father that one office remains open so that the mercy of the seat of Peter is active so in a way so say kind of Denali smacked Holy Father right and he dies of a broken heart of a broken heart how could you do this to me how could you do this right now he could still appeal to that office mmm for forgiveness what if he's elected before the paperwork goes through well they pride themselves on the turnaround of a day in the apostolic penitentiary know that for a fact Wow because because Pope's don't get punched in the face that off it's not a very common occurrence I mean people have read those cannons associated with pop and the Papa so so I would say that there is still an avenue for him to receive forgiveness through the way that the church is structured right in the apostolic penitentiary one of the tribunal offices that remain so that he would have to make sure that before accepting bingo or before his what did you go to confession before you take on a new role you would think yeah yeah I know before I started these podcast I went to confession right before me too yeah way to do so then go to confession people alright I think that was the most successful position yet so far yeah so far I felt pretty confident we're gonna bring you messed up in our pencils yeah that's it I always feel like I'm gonna lose my head in these things yeah pretty good try to remain calm alright so that was that was the secret to the Vatican yeah good show there's more secrets but those are the ones that we wanted to talk about the ones were allowed to talk about father rich got a text for the Vatican said what are you doing cuz we had some other material was shut down or shut down shut you know we got the green light on some of this as well yeah but as long as you guys keep it secret right these were false flags that they're yeah alright so but if you want to know more stuff that we really can't share go to vatican secrets calm ride and ryan vatican secret toward god be good alright so that's another episode of the catholic talk show boys i think we did all right i love it good hanging with you guys you guys thanks for hanging with us and praying for your peace god bless you and your families and continue to journey with us a million brothers alright so visit us on catholic talk-show comm from there you could subscribe on instagram facebook twitter youtube stitcher itunes any of the things that services that use to follow podcast make sure that in the comments you you know you leave your comments let us know how we're doing and if you have any ideas for shows or anything that you'd like us to discuss make sure you leave those comments we really enjoy reading all those things so yeah look forward to having again next time and guys a sun's starting to come out here shine it down in the beautiful studios of cast media and you know hollywood so go get some fresh let's wrap it up and enjoy it alright thanks guys thank you god bless [Music]

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Keywords: Vatican, Vatican Secrets, Catholic Talk Show, Vatican Secret Archives, Beneath The Vatican, Saint Peter's Bones, Vatican Catacombs, Vatican Tunnels, Tower of Winds, Gregorian Calendar, Catholic, Catholic Podcast, Ryan Scheel, Ryan DellaCrosse, Father Rich Pagano, Catholic Radio, Catholic TV, Catholic Show, Taylor Marshall, Matt Fradd, Mike Schmitz, Robert Barron, Catholic Answers, Catholic Stuff You Should Know, Church Militant, Bishop Barron

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Length: 52min 15sec (3135 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 26 2018