Woman poisons look-alike with cheesecake to steal identity; Teens beat teacher to death over grade

a word of warning this podcast explores graphic and disturbing stories and includes some strong language it therefore may not be suitable for our young listeners or other folks who may find it disturbing hello and welcome to True Crime daily the podcast covering high profile and under the radar cases from across the country every week I'm your host Anna Garcia our cases this week two high school students plead guilty to murdering their Spanish teacher police say they beat her to death with a bat for giving out a bad grade a grade which would have brought down the GPA of one of these students well neither one of them will ever have to worry about their GPA again because they're not going to college they're going to prison likely for the rest of their lives but first Beware of the woman who knocks on your door with a cheesecake because it could be poisoned police in New York say the cheesecake laced with tranquilizer was the intended murder weapon and the target was another woman who looked just like the lady carrying the cake box thank goodness the victim survived what could be the possible motive here authorities say that the cheesecake lady needed a new ID because she was wanted by Russian police for a murder under similar circumstances well this is one of those cases where the truth really is Stranger Than Fiction we are recording this on Wednesday April 26 of 2023 Our Guest today is Tracy Tambora a criminal justice professor at the University of New Haven in Connecticut a friend of the show Tracy is a nationally recognized expert on domestic violence sexual assault and the effects of all of this on the criminal justice system to racy welcome back how are you I'm very well Anna and I'm kind of coveting this vest I like this a vest if you find one with a T please send it to me I shall shop the internet for you Tracy thank you you're better with social media than I am anything internet related I think I I I have faith in you and you man it's so funny you know I do do shopping on um Instagram I really do I'm one of those people I see the ad and I fall for it every time okay the tea vest I'm waiting it's very professorial it really is it's perfect for the fall we'll work on that oh my gosh Tracy I'm glad you're here this week you know these cases are very unusual they don't have the usual domestic violence which I know is your level of expertise in in these cases but there's a lot of depravity here so and I think you got that covered so even as the NYPD says this is a very bizarre case the accused here is 47 year old Victoria nassarova and she has been convicted of attempted murder and has been sentenced to 21 years in prison and here's the thing that's just amazing she didn't like her sentence so as she walked out of the Queen's Courthouse you know being walked out to the back to go back into the jail cell she said to the judge Fu and that's the cleaned up version of what she said to the judge can you believe this yes well she laced a cheesecake full of poison so the fu seems appropriate yeah unbelievable well I don't think she's going to help her case with appeals here right because if if her attorney is going to appeal this that little Fu stunt at the end yeah yeah yeah all right so the victim here um who survived the poisoning is 35 year old Olga Civic now apparently the two women look a lot alike and the theory was that Victoria the one accused here and convicted was going to take over Olga's life and she needed to do this because Victoria was wanted by the Russian authorities for murder not just a little something but a murder according to the Queen's district attorney Victoria suspected of drugging and killing her neighbor police say that she fled to the United States and was hiding in Brooklyn okay so that's the motivation here um boy I don't know what to make of this one Tracy so we're going to talk a little bit more about what happened in Russia and why she is wanted on these charges but let's get back to what happened in New York in August of 2016. police say the Victoria arrived at Olga's house in Forest Hills with a cheesecake and the cheesecake was laced with tranquilizer but not all the slices because apparently when they sat down to have the cheesecake Victoria had some slices that did not have the tranquilizer but the targeted slices were of course for Olga so as soon as Olga ate this cheesecake she started to feel sick she threw up she passed out and police say it wasn't until the next day that Olga was found clinging to life in her bed there were pills all over the bed as if she had tried to take her own life she was rushed to the hospital she survived and Olga said the last thing she remembered was Victoria walking around her house um so it would have been very interesting for paramedics because they obviously initially probably thought oh my gosh we're dealing with an overdose here she definitely seems intoxicated and um just just again fascinating at what point police were able to figure out what happened so here is what Olga told ABC 7 in New York about that incident like very delicious cheesecake when I eat the cake I feel right away very very sick I like lose my vision Olga says that some cash jewelry and a handbag were missing along with her Ukrainian passport and very important her U.S work permit also but what was left behind which was not very clever was the cheesecake and the Box which ended up testing positive for a tranquilizer police say they also found Victoria Victoria's DNA on the cake box and all over the house that was the incriminating evidence here authorities then arrested Victoria on charges including attempted murder burglary assault she was arrested in March of 2017. now police say when when Victoria was arrested she had Olga's passport on her again more incriminating evidence so um I don't know how clever this this Victoria is clearly not to now um bizarre case because it just doesn't sound real and you know the women they kind of look alike which is why Victoria thought Olga would be a good person to try this on that she could pull this off so when they started the trial prosecutors actually had to say to the jury okay we know this is bizarre this is not a joke the the case here the facts of the case really are about a poison cheesecake and how one woman tried to kill another woman for her identity and this was the method that she used ridiculous right how crazy is this sure and that's kind of what caught our attention in all of us so the prosecution presented evidence that Victoria had met a man online and had drugged him so and had stolen his watch in his wallet they were trying to show a pattern here and she um then she went shopping with his AMEX card all that Victoria well yes you know there's so there's some signs that Victoria is a very sophisticated criminal in the fact that again she's premeditating she's taking some precautions and measures she's meeting individuals um but then there are other indications that the individual is reckless at the same time she's she's quite interesting because she's not following into any kind of typology or pattern regarding you know sometimes you can see this with predatory offenders predatory rapists or or a serial killer where they seem to follow an Mo or a pattern she's a little all over the place so right yeah kind of has a little bit of a pattern and then is unpredictable and I think it's that lack of control that we see emerging either when things don't go her way or she just doesn't care yeah you know it's just definitely a very tough person without question you know you just get that sense of her um so a little bit more on Victoria they also had a previous charge on her she was picked up in May of 2016 for shoplifting Furs from the discount retailer in New York Century 21 one of my favorites I don't know if it's still in business or not and when the U.S authorities um the police meaning when they picked her up on the shoplifting they didn't realize that she had one of these Interpol red notices red alerts out for her they just didn't make that connection the lady's just trying to steal something from the store so she wasn't picked up then but what's interesting and I don't know how this would work because it's international law I've done a few of these with these um these red notices um so there is no extradition treaty between the United States and Russia which means there's no real obligation to return her back to Russia so I think she knew that when she fled to the U.S and the only thing that maybe they could have picked her up on meaning and then sent her back to Russia would have been an immigration violation right that's what I'm that's what I'm wondering here also you know this isn't this is not a high profile case like we saw with Brittany Greiner or someone else where they would you would be using the individual to swap but sometimes uh um depending on the depending on the district the you know Federal prosecutor involved in any of these cases may use this um I I personally was involved in two cases in which the prosecutor wanted to get rid of the foreign National so it's within the the the federal government's rights to immediately extradite her to Russia whether we have the agreement or not because if she isn't here in good legal standing so if she doesn't have a permanent residency or a citizenship oftentimes you'll see a prosecutor want to uh these are the words I've heard before unload the um the offender so Tracy I have a question then so because we always ask the question what would Justice look like is that does that mean that it's possible that the prosecutor could have just sent her back to Russia and not have prosecuted her for her crimes here yeah so they they they can decide if they want to have the individual serve out their entire sentence here and then extradite or they could extradite at an earlier process um post-conviction they have to be convicted um you've we saw that a lot maybe about five or six years ago with um individuals coming from Central America from Mexico that immediately upon conviction they're deported we don't hold them because you can imagine there's kind of a philosophical argument here right like if we know you're going to be uh your your justices that were getting you out of our country there is some sort of that and also we know if the prosecutor knows they're going to send her to a more punitive country like Russia whose punishments are even harsher than ours then they might you know you could have this Justice in in another manner unless the prosecutor thinks that they're she won't serve out any time but yeah there's a couple of options on the table we could extradite her now post-conviction and for her not to serve outer sentence again what's Justice I don't know the justices that she's responsible for the crimes she has so either she can serve it out here maybe she's tried and served longer time in Russia for an actual murder this was an attempted how do you quantify Justice in this case I don't know I don't know I don't know that is really tricky now um to to get back then um to the murder in Russia just to give everyone some context here of of what we're dealing with um again she was smart enough to know she came here she wouldn't be extradited so according to Interpol Victoria befriended her neighbor and She's accused of stealing seventeen thousand dollars some jewelry now here's what's interesting before she allegedly disposed of the body police claimed that Victoria was captured on a traffic camera in Russia and she was driving a rented vehicle with the body in the passenger seat so again I don't know the Russian justice system I I don't know how they look at evidence there this certainly is very damning evidence if it is true and that's not all according to Russian authorities Victoria allegedly seduced the lead police officer investigator on the murder case there and so therefore she was not detained in that incident okay this is unbelievable and that officer was later fired according to published reports the reason this case I find it so fascinating it's like International Intrigue you know you got a murder an attempted murderer trying to take someone's identity you have um private investigators I mean there's a lot of layers to this thing you know the other thing is we you have we I was on this uh program with you a few months ago where we talked about the individual who was brought to Justice because one of his former students yes saw him teaching a course I think he was doing martial arts or something like this yes wanted for murder in California yes and he was yes teaching English and then a few months ago I gave an interview to uh the New York magazines the cot about a young woman who was murdered in New York and her friends played Instagram sleuth um and were able to assist the police to track down the perpetrator the murderer in another country and so there's more and more cases coming forward in which the internet is being used by non-professionals for serving as detectives to you know engage in these higher level crimes and some of that I think is of course a product of the time as technology is advancing of course it'll be used this way but also I think it in a strange way fills a gap in the criminal justice system the American criminal justice system you know um when there is a case that involves International borders and investigations a lot of police departments don't have the kind of funds necessary to engage in either a technological search or definitely a physical search and so they'll the case will sit cold and a lot of times I'll get calls and say oh do you think the case is sitting cold because it's a poor victim or an immigrant victim or an immigrant or a victim of color do you think there's some socio-political power thing going on and my answer is always could be but it also could be a lack of funding available to police departments to carry out expensive investigations like finding people in other countries or other jurisdictions so I think that this case is interesting for that and the fact that you had the daughter perusing Facebook to provide information to authorities it does show you the power of this of these internet tools yeah absolutely and you know all the information that this private investigator was able to find and locate her in Brooklyn now following her arrest Victoria gave an interview to the New York Post because Victoria's got her own version of things and at this point of course she was just charged and presumed innocent and she was claiming that she was not attempting to poison Olga that the that this whole incident was a misunderstanding of course it was the cheesecake is laced with poison her fingerprints are everywhere but it's just a misunderstanding right and her passport in your bag right okay so Victoria said quote the last time I saw Olga she already was not feeling good she said that she either ate something or got food poisoning right good luck with that one a nice little story that's not what anyone believed here so Victoria's trial began on January 30th of this year and prosecutors claimed that Victoria needed Olga dead in order so in order for her to take over this identity so she could avoid being returned to Russia you know and just live out her life here so a jury convicted Victoria on February 9th of 2023 on the charges that include attempted murder in the second degree attempted assault in the first degree assault in the second degree unlawful imprisonment in the first degree and petite larceny does that mean you know stealing things that are not of huge value is that what petite yeah so every state has something different it hasn't different but usually if it some states if it doesn't cross the ten thousand dollar threshold then it is the larceny yeah got it so that's what that charge is and then on April 19th Victoria was sentenced to 21 years in prison by Queen's Supreme Court Justice Kenneth C holder Victoria attempted to have the last word in that courtroom yelling Fu to the judge after her sentence was delivered unbelievable Victoria's defense has indicated that they plan to appeal calling her sentence excessive though the sentence was four years short of the potential maximum that she faced yeah I don't see the appeal here I don't I don't see where the grounds for the appeal are there appears to be a lot of forensic evidence uh and again you you can't if the crime if the amount of time being uh that the the judge determines the sentence Falls within the state guidelines that in and of itself does not allow for the appeal so I'd be interested to see what does this Appeal on yeah well you know Victoria's got her own path here clearly the rules do not apply it to Miss Victoria she's just doing her own thing all right our next case is out of Fairfield Iowa where two teens have pleaded guilty to first degree murder in the bludgeoning death of their teacher why because they didn't like the grade that she gave out this is a case that we first covered on the podcast about a year and a half ago when the teacher was murdered the victim here is 66 year old nawima Graber and she was a high school Spanish teacher unbelievable 18 year old Jeremy Goodale and 17 year old Willard Miller have pleaded guilty to first degree murder I'm just I'm just astonished you know I I hear I realize motive doesn't have to be proven at all in court you know it's about whether someone has done something or not but based on their own testimony of what they said to police based on the evidence that was gathered based on the fact that they've now pleaded really you take a life because of a poor grade because maybe you deserve that grade buddy yeah the other thing that stands out to me is the manner of death Anna because this is a very personal this is an older individual right um obviously probably much more physically vulnerable than these two and bludgeoning to death uh you know of course they're you know in the world of criminology we don't say oh you're a better person if you just shoot someone than if you stab them and cut them up no I mean both of these things are taking life but the mode the manner in which you take someone's life is a little bit indicative of the relationship to some degree and we've always focused on crimes like that would involve knife or um you know your hands um things that require you to be in a very close personal space with the victim as to be more crimes of passion that really are invoking a lot more anger that's not to say that you can't be very angry with a with a handgun um but so for me the thing that was the most interesting was the mode of death here the fact they bludgeoned in an older individual to death um signifies that this really was a very personal crime for these individuals oh yeah as we'll get into what the court records set about um what the police discovered this was apparently planned and they had stalked her because she had a routine she liked to take a walk every afternoon around four o'clock the same trail park nearby she had a pattern that she followed pretty much very routine and you know so many students at that High School were interviewed after the Murder She really was a teacher that was loved there and I don't know what possesses someone to look at a bad grade and say the way I'm going to handle this isn't that I'm gonna study harder isn't it's I'll do better next time but I'm gonna kill the teacher because it's the teacher's fault it isn't my own fault for maybe not doing well enough in the class yeah I mean yeah like there's so much information coming forward now especially post covid about the emotional toll that teaching is taking on the profession right that teachers are experiencing the amount of emotional energy that they're having to put into their work I mean a math teacher or a science teacher is no longer just teaching math and science they're also providing Mental Health Services and doing restorative justice programs and healing circles like the things that are coming out of schools that I'm reading about but also that I'm as a mother of three with Educators in my family that I'm seeing that they're being tasked to do um is is just taking a toll on teaching so to have these high-profile cases like the six-year-old boy who shot his teacher or these boys who launch into death their their their teacher over her grade you know this is really shining the light on what is happening in the American public school in the American school system I don't know if it was public or private but the American school system and the and you're right level of accountability how many things could you have done differently to improve your grade or change your grade today for most of us we wouldn't even fathom the idea of taking the life of our teacher right no no and we've all had some teachers that have been tougher on us than others and and maybe you know and that you know what it's just life that is just life and you have to deal with it and high school right you you key their car or you leave a nasty note or but even that I would still say is highly inappropriate right but those are more juvenile ways right more juvenile immature ways of handling a situation and not not particularly well thought out but maybe more age-appropriate this this this is ridiculous I mean you cannot take a life you cannot take a life over a grade so um Willard Miller allegedly went to discuss a poor grade that he received with the teacher and he was going to do that on the afternoon of November 2nd of 2021 and according to court records he planned the murder he stalked the teacher and even discussed his plans on Snapchat very incriminating evidence foreign the teacher as we said like to take her walk at four o'clock and that is where she was killed yes yes she was also stalked so they were following her daily routine um incredible invasion of privacy in it you know so it the the level of victimization that she experienced um you know that obviously culminates in the ultimate form of victimization which is murder no this was ongoing and so again you know in pointing out that sure there are other juvenile ways to handle frustration with the teacher that it results in this signifies that these that I one or both of them have have some other disturbance or some other uh history I'd like to know a little bit more about that that you would think to resume anytime in other words anytime something is so socially abnormal you have to question what is going on in the background of these individuals because this is not a normal response to high school frustration in any means this is not how you solve a problem right this is not a normal way to solve a problem murder does not fix the situation it in fact makes it so much worse for these two and the fact that that at no point in their planning of this that either one of them said to the other to themselves should we really be doing this like at what point how is that possible that no one said you know what this is a bad idea you know in many other high-profile murder cases in which there's more time to like you know you have four or five years post the um act you have time to do interviews what you often find is one person was the very strong leader and the other person is going along with this so it'll be interesting after this case you know the individuals are incarcerated and I'm sure some interviewer whether it's a journalist or an academic is going to go in if I had to place a bet on it given what I know about other high profile murders that include two or more offenders it's usually there's one very powerful very strong figure and the other one um is uh kind of goes along is a follower and what's interesting and we're going to get to that in a second is as part of these plea deals we still don't know exactly what happened but because each one of them keeps saying that it was the other one that was the leader and the other one was just the lookout and so authorities at this point are like you know what we don't believe either one of you we think you both participated it's just we're just not believing that he did it and they're still doing the he did it to this in in the very end here but both of them are going to prison for all of this now Witnesses told authorities that they saw graber's van leaving the park okay she didn't leave the park the van did at about 4 42 p.m with two males in the front seat front seats according to authorities another witness spotted her vehicle parked on a rural road around 5 PM and then Witnesses claimed to have seen two white males exiting that vehicle police say that another witness came forward to say that Willard and Jeremy called this friend and asked them for a ride and that ride when they went to pick him up was not far from where the teacher's van was abandoned again how could they be so worried about their freaking grades if neither one of them is smart enough to figure out all of the evidence that they have left behind okay not that bright right and you know like listen intelligence is measured in a hundred ways right so maybe they score high on task but as you're pointing out there is no common sense here that's why I suspect in in in addition to the manner in which the the murder occurs that there's something much more personal that grade coming from that teacher represented something to one of those boys I don't know if it was the audacity of her to be able to give them that grade I don't know what was going on for them but it seems like it's much more personal because you're right somebody who's actually quite worried about their future and what that grade might set them up for is probably not going to kill their teacher number one and you know uh the the manner in which they attempt to hide it uh might be more sophisticated so yeah and this is probably just completely emotionally driven um although they had time to react because they're stalking her so we that's why it's a murder not a manslaughter if he would have if one of those boys would have lost their temper in class and beat her to death in class you probably would have had a manslaughter charge because it would have been a crime of passion he's the moment but yeah yeah you're moved into murder because it's premeditated it's planned albeit not very well yeah no no not at all so the teacher's body was discovered the next day on November 3rd of 2021 she had been beaten to death with a baseball bat her body was hidden underneath a tarp with a wheelbarrow and some railroad ties covering it investigators determined that the cause of death was trauma to the head when police first interviewed Willard Miller he allegedly expressed frustration okay so your teacher's been found dead and you're talking to the cops the cops say he said he didn't like the way she taught Spanish okay as opposed to saying oh my God my teacher's dead no his reaction is you know what she really sucked at teaching Spanish okay and then he said he had no knowledge no knowledge of the murder and he even called her an he tells the cops that the teacher was an she gave him a bad grade and that that grade was hurting his GPA what does that tell you Tracy about this individual uh you know it's very difficult right again I haven't interviewed him there could be a few things perhaps the individual is out of touch with reality I don't know that's a very small percentage of the population right and so the individual is so fixated on the Grain and out of touch with reality that they are only focused on the thing her death is an insignificant consequence of the fact that she gave him a bad grade so that's a that's a I don't know two percent possibility the other point could be that the individual is um quite violent quite entitled um is not uh it doesn't realize that they are um that everything that they're saying is incriminating that that's a lot and that again the individual is doesn't have any kind of mental disturbance uh some sort of severe mental health issue that would would uh preclude them from being aware of reality but they do have perhaps a personality disorder or perhaps some other disturbance which makes them feel entitled and again they are then just reacting to this grade there's a third possibility here in that um the person's in denial so that's been seen before that uh they're in a in a temporary State of Shock afterwards and what they're what they're doing is fixating on the justification for the behavior not actually the fact that they did something heinous so you could have a few things happening with this individual from they don't have their mental capacity to to understand that what they did was terrible and they're just focused on the the impetus the grade two I'm in denial I'm in it too I'm entitled I don't really care she's insignificant the only significant her life and death is not important to me the only thing that the only place she has in my life is as the person who gave me a bad grade to someone who is just in this kind of justification phase of the acknowledgment I just need to justify justify justify and I'm not even going to consider the heinous act that I that I engaged in I'll toss one more in there okay evil evil there is it's not legal term it's not a psychiatric term it's a moral term I'm just going with evil that's it we you and I have talked about this before right as a criminologist I don't have any theory that focuses on evil right you know after 1750 like but sure the human inside of me can say sometimes uh this act is unexplainable this person has has crossed the line I'm trying to use you know of course some Theory and what has held up before what we've seen before about why individuals during an interrogation or an interview uh report the information that they report and and it's usually one of those three things denial complete ignorance because they don't have the mental capacity or um they're just so focused on what aspect that they can't see the entirety investigators say that Willard Miller's story changed over time according to court records he said later that he had knowledge of the murder but he was not a participant then another time Miller allegedly told police that he was forced by the real killers to Aid in moving The Teacher's Body claiming that masked kids made him do it these imaginary man I mean again that that's like a story a five-year-old tells you oh you know somebody came in here and did this absurd so Jeremy and Willard were formally charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder about two weeks after this would have been on November 12th and the most incriminating evidence of course would have been putting them at the scene of the crime the conversations that were on Snapchat that had been preserved by one of the other students there was a lot here a lot of evidence here now when they were first arrested they made an argument their defense attorneys made arguments that they should not be tried as adults even though they were on the cusp and the prosecutor just didn't go for it it's like no no you will be tried as adults so the um the defense argued that one of the reasons that they wanted the ability to have this to have them tried as juveniles is that they would have a better chance at rehabilitation whether that's true or not I have no idea do you have any opinions on that so we don't do a very good job in the United States of rehabilitating juveniles or adults I think in theory you have a better chance at Rehabilitation as a juvenile but one of my colleagues who's a national expert in juvenile delinquency the data is not showing that so I you know I I again I don't think we do very good job rehabilitating either adults or children so I think that's off the table what should be on the table is their um emotional maturity their their cognitive abilities you know there's a lot of emerging research now in criminology and psychology neuropsychology about maybe your you or your audience has heard about a frontal lobe development and so uh this frontal lobe development that has a success risk and has us determine whether our actions are I mean nobody thinks that your frontal lobe isn't fully developed and you think murder's a good thing no that's not what we're saying but your um one of the arguments that's being made to push off the age of juvenile and uh to push off the age of adult sanctioning is the fact that we're not fully functioning um until that frontal lobe is developed um so again I'm not sure if I would rely on the you have a better chance of Rehabilitation in the juvenile system versus the adult system I don't believe there's evidence to suggest that if you were going to argue I think you're better off arguing if you're the attorneys for these two the individuals are immature and you know the the punitive nature of the adult system doesn't account for immaturity it just either you're guilty or innocent and regardless of your maturity level you're going to receive a harsh punishment so the trials were going to begin apparently they were going to be tried individually and the first trial was set for this month April and that's when Jeremy godal struck a deal with prosecutors in which he would testify against Willard and that then inspired Willard to enter a plea deal to avoid trial entirely so on April 18th Miller and Goodale pleaded guilty to the charges of first-degree murder so the thing is even with these plea deals we still don't know exactly who did what because they're still pulling this stunt that the other one did it and I don't know if that's because they think that may have an impact on the sentence that they receive that if you know you can prove that the other one did it that one will get a worse sentence than the one who claims was just you know the lookout uh prosecutors here are recommending a life sentence uh with the possibility of parole after either 25 or 30 years if the way I read this was the one who struck the deal first is probably going to get the 25 and the one who came along second is going to get the 30. if that's what the judge agrees to because the judge does have to make a decision and the judge here's where age is going to come in as a mitigating Factor right because the judge May then determine because of the age he isn't going to go for the maximum now Iowa I it does not have the death penalty any longer so that wasn't going to be used by the prosecutor as a bargaining chip but they do still have life imprisonment and so I don't know if that was ever put on the table Able by the prosecutor to get the plea you know oftentimes the reason someone takes a plea right is because the prosecutor is saying you either take the plea and we'll give you 25 years or we go to trial and I'm going for life without the possibility of parole right but yes I think you're correct to assume that whoever took the whoever initiated the plea process whoever agreed to turn State sevens first is going to get the lesser of the time right and that makes sense I get that now along with their sentences the two will be jointly responsible for about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in restitution to be paid to the family of the teacher and you know the sad thing is that the teacher noema Graber was killed days before her 67th birthday and um she started teaching at Fairfield High School in 2012. so you bring up a great point about restitution right because victims advocates for a long time we have argued that restitution should be part of the criminal justice process that there needs to be some monetary gesture made on behalf of the perpetrator to the victim to try to restore or the in this case the victim's family here's where the Dilemma comes though if restitution is to be paid by the offender how do they pay this restitution while incarcerated right and so um these are these arguments that get made all the time and I don't think most people would say oh let the boys out after two years later oh no no no no no no no no but it is something sometimes restitution orders are are made and they're kind of this good faith but never expected to be paid you know application so I just wanted to bring that point out that rested some restitution's something that we've fought for a lot of us who worked in victim services for a long time but unfortunately in these heinous cases they never come to fruition because the individual is incarcerated and then when they are released they don't really have a way to I mean obtain employment that would allow for a large restitution order to be repaid well it is time for our comments section these are the crime cases that you all are talking about on our social media and we have two guests today not only our producer will Updike but my little friend over here who I have been fostering for three weeks and she will be adopted tomorrow we found her a family this is her name is Natalie yellowjacket named after one of those shows but I haven't seen it she was um she's very sweet she was rescued from the divorce shelter with two other dogs and when the rescue called me and said please we're getting three dogs out today can you take one of them I was like how was I gonna say no right how was I gonna say no hope she doesn't share the same fate as any of the as any of the yellow jackets but uh anyway I haven't seen it I don't know you're gonna have to but this week we have uh since trade in honor of Tracy being here I got to bring a fast food uh climb to the table we got of course we have a gun and some fast food uh just an excellent mix to uh bring Tracy's expertise to uh so this one comes out of Picayune Mississippi uh where one man's attempt to hide a firearm uh was the taco of the entire uh Picayune Police Department following a traffic stop last week so this happened on Friday April 14th according to the Picayune Police Department uh they stopped a car for allegedly violating a traffic law in East can on East Canal Street so they pulled over the driver the driver driver here is Olivia Nath she was in the car with passenger Devin Mitchell now when they pulled this car over Picayune police said that they had probable cause to search the vehicle where they found a distribution amount of meth not sure how much that is uh liquid heroin and other drug paraphernalia but they apparently went through these fast food bags as well where they discovered Mitchell the passenger here his handgun inside a quesadilla in a Taco Bell bag in the actual food in the food yeah yeah it's like mixed in there I'll show a picture uh for people there there's a Gun there's also something that looks like some sort of pipe I don't know I don't get a comment uh but police arrested Mitchell on charges of possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute uh wall and possession of a firearm possession of a controlled substance tampering with physical evidence possession of a weapon by a felon and possession of paraphernalia whole laundry list there uh while the driver here neth was cited for disregard for a traffic device but she was released at the scene uh Records show that Mitchell the passenger here the gun owner is in custody in Pearl River County Mississippi um but yeah I I I don't know like what exactly LED them to search the bags probably when they discovered some of this other stuff I don't know if you know they just gave the bags like a little lift and you felt that one was like physically a lot heavier and that's what led to the search um I doubt you know they're the first thing that they were going through was probably that fast food um will can I just interrupt you for a second I don't know everybody in the viewing audience got how clever you were there but when you started this you said this is the Taco of discussion and I thought that is clever it's the taco of discussion says thank you thank you we do our we do our best over here this was a wild one uh we got a bunch of comments on this snow white said so they have regular Supreme and loaded now awesome oh that's a good one yeah it's it's great um also are you a Taco Bell person Anna I do like Taco Bell you know for the longest time I loved Taco Bell and loved their little um they used to do these little cinnamon crispy things for dessert I don't know if they have them anymore yeah I am a Taco Bell person I am I um I personally have just gone through like a little bit of a Taco Bell Renaissance I'm a fan but like I haven't eaten it in like three years and then I had it one time and now I've had it like three times in the last month it's um it's phenomenal moose juice said the sauce got more kick than I remember which actually not that much kid the hottest of their sauces is is a little underwhelming but uh rimati said who knew quesadillas are that rich in iron oh good one yeah yeah solid very solid very solid Johnny s said I yes the old glacco Bell wow they've really outdone themselves on this one yeah yeah I mean great headline but the the comments are just all of you so great we're gonna end with a A pun as per usual Haley M said he's nacho smartest criminal okay so you notice two cheese puns in one comment how did you do it how did you do it I think we can wrap it up for the day uh but that is gonna do it for for this week's comment section Tracy I'm still waiting on some in-depth uh coverage on on this on the study of crime and fast food restaurants so I'll be waiting I'll be I'll be waiting uh I hope it's something you put your students to to research yes we have to um co-write this paper because you've really been speeding fooding me this this new Avenue of research so it's so bizarre it's just such a weird overlap your your person's one of your viewers said that's the last time like you know you're you're smoking a little weed you're doing a little something you get a little bit of the munchies you get a lot of hand you know like there's this uh it does seem like there's probably a Natural Evolution to a Friday night you know at the Burger King gone bad so yeah I think there there's a lot of chronological variables to explore here Friday night at the Burger King gone bad if you decide to write that one Tracy I think that's a best seller okay yeah all right well that's gonna do it for that week's comment section thank you so much everybody I will see you next week well Tracy it is always a pleasure to have you on the program we always love your Insight and I know sometimes it's really hard to provide Insight when we're dealing with as I say this level of depravity of of a lack of humanity in how we deal with each other so thank you yeah you had two tough cases these there's not a lot of research on individuals who engage in such horrific acts of violence for such little motivation so it's really hard to draw on any previous research or Theory but this exists this is also crime yeah it really is um where can people find you can people follow you or any information on your papers or stuff like that Hannah has shamed me into finally getting a social media so I will be coming on Instagram next month my daughter's helping me to set that up do you love that that your daughter's helping you I love that it's so hilarious but in the meantime all of my work is is found um on at the University of New Haven Department of Criminal Justice website um so yes but soon I will be at a social media venue near you that's so funny and thank you for having me um virtually visit your campus and talk to your criminology students it was really fun to talk with them I really enjoyed that time with them they were excited Anna was a rock star so your audience already knows this now my students are more aware and half of the students said they followed your show so oh I love that that is so cool I love love love to hear that I think that that's that's really I love that really do so you can find me on social media at Anna gnews um that's Anna with one end sometimes I post about crime sometimes I post about dogs in need of homes um probably more dogs than anything else that's where my heart is uh you can find this episode and all our episodes wherever you get your podcast you can subscribe to our YouTube channel and you can sign up to receive our newsletter at truecrimedaily.com so until next week I'm your host Anna Garcia and as we always say don't do crime

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Published: Fri Apr 28 2023