Will He EVER be Rideable?

Adidas buck when other people have attempted to ride you bring out a saddle and he goes berserk completely scared of it he's unridable hey everyone welcome back to another video in this one I am coming to you from Texas and we're at Windy Hill equine rescue which you remember we did a fundraiser for a few months ago and I'm doing a horse development Camp here so owners are bringing me 10 horses and then I ride the horses for the week and then they do a clinic with them on the weekend and so it's been a great Camp very popular I've been doing this for like eight or nine years now and anyways uh we have one horse that I thought would be interesting to you his name is Scout he's kind of flunked out of many training programs he's kind of notorious for for bolting away when the saddle comes out bucking with a saddle and he has not accepted a rider yet they've tried to ride him a few times and it's kind of resulted in him getting scared and bucking and not having a very good experience so we're going to see if we can help him get more comfortable um Scout is now six the last three years have been visiting multiple trainers extended periods of time with some trainers trying to get him under saddle and he is great on the ground we'll do ground work with me is great you know grooming barrier all of that you bring out a saddle and he goes berserk completely scared of it so he's unrideable and it's it can be scary at times right when you are trying to saddle maybe another horse and he's nearby and he has the same reaction and so my hope is that spending time with Ryan we can get a good understanding of maybe what Scouts triggers are what we can do with Scout and really I'm just trying to figure out what his future is is his future as a liberty horse as a riding horse which is what I'm hoping is he going to be you know uh a pasture ornament so really just trying to figure out what he's capable of and how we can work through what's bothering him now so Scout also one of the reasons I would love to say that he could be my jumper is Scout has a tendency to try to go out and over so he has attempted to escape a full size stall ended up with 10 stitches across his head he has successfully jumped out of torn Gates out of two different round pins at two different facilities and escaped multiple fence enclosures typically by going over and if the fence enclosure is Too Tall he takes the top wrong with him so yes lots of trouble keeping him in small spaces used to not be able to Trailer Load him luckily he can now with a little bit of work but yeah he's he does not like to be confined he's actually being very good right now the worst thing he has ever done um you know I've never tried to ride him well I bellied him one time and he bolted out from underneath me and I fell down he's never malicious so that's a good thing so I'd say probably the worst thing is just bolting away from me just uh or even in the cross ties sometimes he will have an extreme Panic response and he'll pull back really hard and I'd say that's probably one of the worst things but he does buck when other people have attempted to ride him so he does have a history of bolting and bucking under saddle [Music] so I'm gonna just try to get to know Scout here a little bit and what I've been told is that he's pretty chill leading handling around on the ground apparently if you put them in a stall he will try to crawl out of the stall he's broken several round pen Gates things like that um but apparently thing Everything Changes kind of when the saddle comes out and when you think about riding him and so I'm just going to see if I can get to know him a little bit on the ground and whenever I hear of a horse that's been saddled multiple times but has not accepted the saddle yet one of the first things I'm thinking to myself again making sure it's not pain and stuff and a lot of people ask that in the comments and I just want to preface this with we always make sure the horse is sound and the that a pain is not the issue that's going on here so this horse has had lots of vet work done in terms of checking him and diagnosing to see if any of that would be an issue and that has not been found to be the issue this is very much a behavioral issue not a uh a physical issue having said that this actually isn't even a behavioral issue in my mind this is actually more of a taming issue because if a horse is going to go into a full-blown bucking spree it means that they are they are at an instinctual level of being scared okay and so we need to help him get more tame and to me that means two things number one I need to set it up in a way to have him comfortable enough to learn okay which means I have to find a way to release him to the saddle the second thing that it means to me is I need him to understand steady pressure more horses that are still going to those strong printable instincts usually don't have a really high level understanding of steady pressure so we're just going to kind of see what we get into here hey would you guys like to see more detailed training videos that show you step by step how to train your horse and work through common issues we have a huge video library on my patreon page as well as dropping new videos every week you can also send me a message on there and get questions answered about your horse you can even send videos for for me to coach so it's a really great value at just ten dollars a month next January it's going to go up to twenty dollars a month for all that so if you want to get in now for ten dollars make sure you get signed up and I'll look forward to seeing you on there so first thing he's not totally paying attention to me um so I just want to establish a little connection and let him know that that I know when he's paying attention to me and when he's not okay and so you see me just kind of move around him here and those of you that watch other videos you know that I'm really big on this idea of uh just just kind of getting them checked in I kind of like how he's hooked onto me now this horse has been at Trainers for over a year okay it's not like it's not like nothing has been done to this horse he's untouched or unhandled he's been handled a lot it just hasn't gone super well to this point so that's what we're here to kind of kind of figure out and this is not really about me coming out here and trying to just make him listen or ride him better than the next person did or something like that this is about me trying to get to his mind and his emotions and helping him get more comfortable with the things that we're asking him to do and that's what we have to find out can we can we help this horse get comfortable doing the things that we would like him uh to be doing now the good news for scout is his owner is fantastic and he will always have a forever home with her no matter what but that doesn't change the fact that she's got a lot of money into him and she would like to be able to ride him someday but I say that's fortunate for him because this is how a lot of horses end up at rescues which again is kind of um that was the word apropos or ironic that we're here um because we're here at a rescue and a lot of horses that flunk out of training programs there's a point where the owner kind of gives up on them and they end up in a a rescue situation so he's handling this pretty well let's go ahead and put him on a circle and now we're going to see if we can create some nice uh lateral flexion on this circle you know when a horse is being defensive one of the most common things they'll do is they'll kind of want to counter bend on a circle so I'm really big on checking this part out here so with my left hand I'm kind of trying to be a post my right hand I'm pushing the ribs out but he doesn't seem he seems pretty relaxed he doesn't seem very tight to me right now so this is good and again this is kind of par for the course this is what the owner has said to me is that everything goes pretty well I'll tell you go ahead and put that saddle out so I'm just going to kind of get to know him here a little bit well there he's kind of thinking away a little bit there so I'm just trying to set a post of this hand so he can find that Circle around and this is the start of asking these horses to turn loose to us being in control of everything and that's going pretty well here got a little licking chew at the end so we're we're staying within his his comfort zone here the next thing I'm going to test out with him is a flag and we're also going to test him out with some steady pressure so the next two tests that we're going to give him here is I have a rope that we're going to use to test him with some steady pressure and then um we're going to test a little bit with this flag here I like the flag again those of you that watch the videos you know that I'm big on this and you're going to see a pattern here if you watch through me evaluating some of these horses the flag is really big rhythmic motion you know it's kind of like number one I have to see if Scout accepts the human okay I have to see if Scout accepts steady pressure I have to see if he accepts accepts rhythmic pressure and rhythmic motion so this flag is representing rhythmic motion right now and you can see he's not having any trouble with that so this is a check that was easy that's great foreign so I was handling that let's see if we can move them off on the circle here and what I like to do you know as Horses with like Scout can tend to be a little bit Goosey and so I like to to in some ways kind of surprise him with the flag and kind of go from the ground on his back and just see if he can handle something kind of coming at him you see him getting a little worried about that um foreign you can see and so what's interesting is a lot of horses that you you would think would that are kind of problematic with things you would think that they would just be high-headed and running around like crazy and you're not seeing that from him and if you've noticed I've actually had to do more to get him to go versus getting him to slow down so what does that tell us that tells us that he's more introverted okay so he's more woe than go now the problem with a horse being introverted is that it can appear to the rider or the Handler that they're blowing up kind of out of the blue like everything was going fine and then all of a sudden the horse blew up and oftentimes what happens is when an owner starts off the story as everything was going fine until all of a sudden this happened it usually means they were missing cues that the horses bothered along the way because the horse was introverted if the horse was more extroverted that would be a horse that kind of wears their emotions on their sleeve a little more and you would know right where they stand it's like it's like if I come home and Emily looks a little bit uh grumpy or something and I say how's everything going and she says I'm fine that's usually that's usually an indicator everything's not not not hunky-dory and so we need to slow down is my point when you slow down and we need to figure out what's what's bothering them and help them to get more comfortable and also with a horse like him because he's wanting to slow down I need to help him get comfortable in motion he needs to get comfortable moving not just release him standing still all the time okay because again introverted horses will tend to to always get relief standing still and I need him to get comfortable in motion okay now because of this horse's history of jumping out of pens when he gets bothered and feeling claustrophobic with a saddle I'm going to go ahead and test out as we have a goat sparring match going on behind us here I'm gonna test him out here with him feeling claustrophobic and I'm going to put this rope on a leg and again part of the reason I'm doing this now is I want to release him to being saddled okay and once they once he's accepting the saddle then I need to figure out a way to release him uh to being ridden okay so again I'm gonna put this here and so what I'm doing is I'm putting I'm going to put him in a little bit of a bind okay I'm gonna ask him for something different and I'm going to test how well he can work through this so we're going to go ahead and move him move him out here and I'm going to put a little feel on this rope and we're going to see what his response is now his response was to stop that was good I like that he didn't freak out there now I want him to pick his foot up good want to mix up that then you can have it back good job Scout so he handled that very well so I was good so so far I'm not finding anything that really stands out to me I I have just observed that he's more introverted and so that means he can be kind of hiding some of his feelings a little bit and so I have to pay attention to the little details is what that means to me but the fact that he's not being bothered by the flag by bending his Ribs by this rope stopping him here and the end result is I want him to stop and pick his foot up that's why you see me approaching him here and doing that but it's interesting because I was thinking that we were going to do some taming tests but he's passing these taming to us see I'm looking at you in there it means he just got comfortable so that means he got a little bothered but not very bothered okay now I'm really happy with how well he's handling that so let's add a little bit of speed to it and see if that changes anything basically we'll just do this out of a trot and that was his best one yet okay so we're not really gaining anything by doing that because that's not bothering him at all and the goal is to find things that kind of bother him and help him understand uh that pressure more um but he's not really having any trouble with that so that's really good I think the next thing we're going to do is we're going to add a little speed we'll get him cantering around a little bit and I'm going to use cantering to release him to saddle but he's not he's not giving me any reason to say that I couldn't saddle him at this point so let me go ahead and get a little let me get a longer rope so to this point I have not found a way to release him to being saddled nothing has upset him or bothered him and so the only thing I can really do is just ask him to do some work here and ask him to canter on a circle well he sure is a pretty horse nice canner I like that again he wants to stop so we're just going to ask him to do some work here in hopes that the cantering theoretically is harder work than standing still to be saddled and walking off with a saddle on and that's kind of what we're going to go with here he's a little sensitive that kiss noise which can be good but I don't know if I'd kissed him if I was sitting on him just yet but so far I'm I'm honestly a little bit surprised about all the trouble that I've been hearing about him um because he's not really showing me anything that's terrible but again we haven't saddled him yet but just from his disposition innately here it just doesn't seem uh that problematic to me you know most horses that are going to have trouble with the saddle would have trouble with the the Rope test that I just gave him or more trouble cannering or just just more spooky or worried in general and like one of the ways that I know that he's not being super introverted or going to a point of being what we call catatonic which is a state of learned helplessness is because he's the whole time he's been blinking he's uh licking and chewing um and he's just staying present with everything so I know that we haven't tested him too too much to this point now another advantage to asking him to canter right now is that it's going to cause him to have to breathe and horses that are introverted tend to hold their breath and breathe shallow and people do the same thing and so what the noise that I like to hear and again any of you that have been watching my videos for a while we like to hear this noise and that means that that horse is relaxing through their rib cage so he's relaxed in his jaw and his eyes and his head coming down got the little head shake he's he's getting loose there licking and chewing so that helped him loosen up a little bit it's kind of the same idea of us going for a jog and exercising it really helps us deal with stress and anxiety and getting a horse to move their feet can also help that I got a little worried there so we can tell we got his life up a little higher now that we've been cannering uh but he's not blown out yet oh there it is there it is I don't know if you guys could hear that on the mic or not but he just gave us a little bit of a blowout so that means I'm going to leave him alone if he's trying to relax and decompress I'm just going to let him be and so hopefully what he's learning by interacting with me is that he gets a release of pressure every time he relaxes like right now I'm this is a great time to just hang out with him okay and I think a lot of times in training these moments are undervalued when a horse needs some soap time and decompression time it's really our job to just stand here and do nothing and let them soak that in I like to think of it as like a sponge and a bucket of water it's going to soak up so much water and once it's full you can leave it in there longer but it's not going to absorb but if you can't just dunk it in the water and pull it out it won't soak up any of that water okay or any of that knowledge in this case and so so don't don't look past undemanding time here of just just standing there hanging out with them that's interesting but it did kind of prove me right there a little bit where seeing him in motion cannering did help him relax and decompress more than he had and he's having to breathe you can see his nostrils nostrils flaring a little bit and we're showing you all the countering work it's not like we did something behind the scenes here um before this that's all the work that he's done which is not much okay so um he's actually in a really good place right there so I think I might Canter him one more time and then um then we'll go ahead and saddle him up now there he's giving me a slower Trot I like that he's dropping his head and uh so at this point I'm kind of wondering to myself what's all the trouble about with settling so um let's we'll we're about to find out I guess but at the same time you know and not everybody sets everything up this way like I'm for me I'm going at kind of an average speed that I go at but I think for a lot of people they might move around the horse a little faster than what I'm doing and that might have been just enough to keep him bothered or keep him defensive you know it's kind of hard to say but with sensitive horses I'm telling you all the the sequence of things and the details the little details matters a lot to sensitive forces and this is to me kind of the difference between a a kid's horse or or maybe an amateur show horse versus an open show horse is the level of sensitivity and uh there are tolerances for things you know more sensitive horses are just a little less tolerant all right I like what we got there that's very nice and uh you can see he's very present the years are going forward licking and chewing blinking um everything's going pretty uh pretty smooth there so we're gonna go ahead and saddle them up we're over here at the Saddle I'm gonna put my coils on the ground now you see him wanting to smell the pad again that's a very good sign so we'll step back here and uh the way I like to do it is kind of put it behind me here let them check it out you can see him kind of backing away now something that's a little unique I already had the saddle out here I don't like to saddle a horse like this in the barn aisle obviously you wouldn't want to take off bucking down the barn aisle um so that seems like common sense to me well they see him get a little get a little tight there get a little little boat up so I don't know I mean that's there you go so he's okay with it there so on and off a couple times so I but see he's going to appreciate the fact that I recognize when he gets bothered right there he's looking at it a little bit cross-eyed and I don't know if that's because it's something touching his back or if it's because it was above him so that's a mental note that I'm going to take about this right now is like maybe he needs to see me um above him a little bit in order to accept me on his back as well and so we'll build a what we call the stairway to heaven and where we can stand on something tall like a pedestal with a mounting block on top and then I can be above him waving and that sort of thing now most people saddle a horse from the horse's left side I learned to saddle horses from both sides it is efficient but it's also just good for a horse to get get handled from both both sides of them and so I'm going to go ahead and saddle him from his right side and maybe this is a little bit of a workaround maybe this is a little different deal than what he's used to I'm going to smell that there I'm gonna try to float that saddle up there nice and smooth and uh that went pretty well I would say so so far so good obviously I like to have a little longer rope on them here because I'm not going to turn them loose we're in an arena here which which is also kind of interesting to note because when some of the video footage that I saw of him I'm having issues with the saddle and the rider uh he was in a round pen and also what Jill told us was that he was jumping out of round pen so he may have some associations with a round pen and with a sensitive horse it doesn't take that much to have what we call a one-time learning experience where if they're already at kind of a heightened mental state and something scary happens that only needs to happen one time in order for it to become a kind of a thing for that horse so we're going to go ahead and make three wraps here so I have this snug where it would it would stay with him to a degree but I think you guys can see kind of how loose that is and he's tightening up right now when he relaxes it'll be it'll be looser I don't know if he's used to a back cinch or not so I'm not going to make it super tight about there so if he kind of you know kind of Hulks hulks out there's a little room for his belly to go there but I don't want this to be a secret on here either I don't want to make it so loose that it's a secret but I don't want to cut them in half with it so that's kind of trying to balance everything here you know what else I'm going to do because I I'm going to go ahead and see if he will accept a snaffle too I just want to see where he's at with it to see if if he's got any bracer at all to this idea having a snaffle on I was avoiding it a little bit nothing too too dramatic okay that was nice so so far so good and his owner did bring a snaffle for him and so I assume they've had it on I think she did some long lining with him you know so his horses had a lot of preparation just not a lot of rides we are fixed up here so you can see him there you can see his kind of mental state change there a little bit oh and then he was kind of able to walk out of it that's good oh so far so good I don't want him following me you know it can be dangerous to walk off in front of a horse that has uh it's kind of known for bucking with a saddle so I'm pretty happy this I mean the saddle's not very tight right now and if he were to try to Buck I would do my best to stop him um I let a horse run around bucking the first couple times they get saddled I I prefer to let a horse explore and figure things out a little bit more on their own I think it yields a better result than us helping them a lot of times us helping them is micromanaging them but with him he's been saddled many times and so I would be more inclined to interrupt the pattern good so I'm very happy with that first first go because that a lot of times is a Tipping Point for a horse if they can be saddled without blowing up right away that that can be a really big uh progress step now you can see how loose this cinch was um I just took out a lot of slack so this might be a little different story now that it's not not loose on them anymore now the other thing is I like to give him some space here you know I think a horse that feels claustrophobic if he's got me standing right next to him what's it's interesting about human nature is human nature usually says tells us try to do more and try to hold the horse you know down and control every movement every inch of things but horse psychology says the more space I have the better I feel so they feel more comfortable the less we do we feel more comfortable the more control we have which is also maybe one of the reasons why I think horses are so good for us you know really challenges us to to kind of be better people in a lot of ways whether it's patience emotional Fitness grit and kind of stick-to-itiveness with a horse that's more challenging there's just a lot of things that we can learn from horses horses in general but especially a horse like this now the other aspect of this is you wouldn't want to get on a horse like him and have him be under exposed so he's having some trouble here as soon as I took a little bit of control and tried to change directions he got a little bothered right there so I think you guys could see that in the video maybe we can even replay it but it's subtle all this stuff is subtle but again I'm acknowledging all these little moments with him and so instead of I was going to just change directions but because he got a little tight there I'm giving him a little bit of relief here facing forward because this is that's the moment where he got bothered was was in the facing me right there okay now we'll ease them off this way and see how willingly he did that that was very nice but it's because I acknowledged that he got a little worried in that change of Direction which none of that is unusual horses get more uncomfortable through transitions um whether it's changing directions or going going faster or slower but this is the kind of stuff that he's going to have to get more comfortable with because when we're riding him what's interesting is when we're riding them we have a lot more control than we do on the ground or we take a lot more control when we're on their back versus when we're on the ground um so he's got to be able to handle that leadership from the saddle boy what went pretty well I would say again a little bit of trouble here changing changing eyes so we're gonna have to get that a little smoother well that was pretty good so I think what I'm going to do now is I'm going to release him to me stepping up and down in the stirrups I think I'll just go ahead and use this rope this may not be the best best idea but it seems like a good time here to do this now one of the tests that I do when I do this again I'm trying to release him to being mounted so I'm trying to create a little bit of a pattern here of maybe cannering and doing some circles and then coming in and getting mounted but I want to get a baseline of what does it take to lower his head so that took maybe four pounds of pressure just a guess so now the question is when I'm standing on the stirrups or next to him there how much does it take mm-hmm so that was about the same you can see his head get up kind of get a little Bracey there so I'll just pet on him here and kind of step down ask him to lower his head again so we need we need to be able to make this transition here without that nervousness good here's a little lick and chew a little bit harder there to get his head to come down but getting better I don't really want him to get counterbat good we'll take that so I like to walk them out of it because then he gets a little bothered he kind of sucks back and thinks about stopping so I'm going to create a little pattern here of moving him around after mounting and just kind of getting him comfortable because that's what we're going to do once we do step on him now I think nowadays most people understand to mount both sides of the horse but just because you can step up and down on one side doesn't mean you can step up and down on both sides but you can see that that bothers him just me stepping up and down and again I think the experiences of him being ridden now it's hard to get his head down you know the experiences of him getting ridden weren't positive for him and so he's probably more worried all right we'll take that so I'm pretty happy with where we kind of got with that today considering what the owner told me he was at um there's still a few more steps that I need to to do with him to convince me that he's going to be okay to ride what I'm not going to do is try to be a better bronc Rider than the previous person my goal is to set him up for Success where he's comfortable with me stepping on him and so that's what we're going to do so stay tuned for the next videos and uh we'll watch Scouts progression [Music] foreign

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Keywords: horse, horse training, horse trainer, training, horses, paint, paint horse, horse development, development, buck, bolt, jump, saddle, under saddle, groundwork, on the ground, Ryan, Ryan Rose, rose, rose horsemanship, Ryan Rose horsemanship, horsemanship, western, cowboy, natural horsemanship, bucking horse, problem horse

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Length: 33min 49sec (2029 seconds)

Published: Fri Nov 11 2022