- Most horses, if they're showing any kind of aggressive tendencies, usually you can nip it right in the bud. But Jack, Jack's special. He, he's in a class of his own. I've tried training him
for a couple of weeks, he just kept getting more
aggressive, more aggressive. - Once you've got a
horse that's aggressive, you better start thinking about how you're gonna correct
that pretty quickly. - On several occasions,
Jack would dive at me. - It's basically like a 1,000 pound dog, but now it's aggressive
and wants to bite ya. - I decided that I
needed to build something between me and Jack, so he couldn't get to me. But it sure didn't take
him long to figure out that round bale feeder. He chased me out of the round pen. Pretty aggressively. I threw in the towel. I said, I'm done. He needs somebody bigger and
badder than me to train him. (inspirational country music) - I'm Clinton Anderson. And I have a method for training horses. Getting horses to behave is simple. It's training people
that's the real trick. Join me, as I tackle some of
the most challenging situations with problem horses and
with problem owners. (upbeat country music) (soft guitar music) - My name's Kim Powers, and I've been riding horses
since before I was born, and I've been training horses since I was 18, 20 years old. And I've been training and
riding, competing, ever since. Everything from English, Western, rodeo, extreme cowboy racing,
pretty much anything you could imagine. Jack and I have a little bit of history. He's four years old now, and I'm a professional barefoot trimmer, and I actually trimmed him as a yearling. And he was a little bit naughty, but just typical young horse stuff, and then I didn't see him
for a couple of years, he was basically a pasture pet. And then the owner decided
to send him for training. And that's what brought us to now. Most horses, if they show any
kind of aggressive tendencies, usually you can nip it right in the bud. But Jack, Jack's special. He's in a class of his own. Since Jack was basically a
pasture pet for two years, nobody asked him to do anything, in his mind he got more and
more powerful over humans. On several occasions,
Jack would dive at me. I decided that I need to build something, in the middle of the round pen, so I had something to get behind, and putting something between me and Jack, so he couldn't get to me. And so I decided, huh, I'll just put the round bale feeder
inside the round pen, so I have something to duck behind. But it sure didn't take him long to figure out that round bale feeder. He would lunge at the round bale feeder and actually hit his chest on it, teeth bared, trying to get at me. One of the times he attacked me, I was just standing here
talking to someone else, and he just came running
at me for no reason. When all's I was asking
him to do was stand there. He chased me out of the round pen. Pretty aggressively. So after that, I threw in the towel. I said, I'm done. He needs somebody bigger and
badder than me to train him. (foreboding music) - So let me see if I get this straight. We have a horse that
basically is disrespectful and dominant, and has the
upper hand on human beings. We have an owner that's
frightened of the horse, and wants nothing to do with trying to get in this
situation and fix it herself. We have a trainer that
wants to help the horse, is willing, but she's out of knowledge and she's frustrated. When you add those three things up, you know what you have, you have a very volatile
cocktail situation. It's not if somebody gets hurt, it's just when, and how bad it is. So Kim, why am I here, mate? - Well, I've had Jack in, he's been here for about a month. But I gave up training him two weeks ago because his aggression seemed to get worse and worse and worse, and I've run out of the knowledge that I need to deal with it. Jack is just a special case. I don't know what to say about him. He's got me baffled. Hopefully Clinton can knock
the attitude out of him and we can continue his training. Without getting killed. - So this is the horse here, correct?
- Yep. - What's his name?
- Jack. - Jack, okay. You know, horses by nature
are not aggressive animals, but it just starts in
little increments, okay. Like the horse will kind
of pin his ears back at the owner, or take
a nip or take a bite. And that owner moves away from that horse or doesn't correct that horse, then that behavior gets
worse and worse and worse, until eventually the horse is literally chasing the owner out of the pen, and dominating the whole situation. First thing I've got to ask you here, Kim, what is that in the
middle of the round pen? 'Cause I gotta tell you, I've never seen this situation right here. What is that?
- That's his, round bale hay feeder,
- Right. - To basically duck behind. Keep myself safe.
- Oh, so it's a barrier. This is like the cage for you. - Yes.
- So instead of, instead of you putting
the lion in the cage, you were kind of getting
outside of the cage to try and protect yourself.
- Mhm, yep. - Okay, so the first thing
we're gonna do, mate, is we gotta get this outta here. Because I can't train him effectively if I can't move around the round pen. I understand why you did it, but I gotta get it out of here, mate, because unless I can move his feet, I can't get control of the horse. I wanna go in there,
right from the beginning, and establish my leadership
between me and him. Or, for lack of a better word, let's just cut to the chase, dominance. He is so far down on my pecking
order it's not even funny. Because remember something. It's not if this horse hurts, or seriously injures somebody, it's just when this happens. So make no mistake, this is kind of a, a little bit of a
life-threatening situation here. (foreboding music) (exciting electric guitar) - [Announcer] Everybody
ready to resume count, and go for launch. 10, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, zero. (exciting country music) (muffled radio voices) Mission complete. - The first thing I need to
make clear in this situation is that we've got a very
aggressive horse here, that's got away with his
habit for a long time. So when I walk in this round pen, I'm gonna start gaining
control of his feet and establishing that
respect by moving his feet, forwards, backwards, left and right. When he's starting to do
what I want him to do, and he's behaving well, I want to get out. I don't want to keep annoying him and doing it over and over and over again. Horses don't learn from pressure, they learn from the release of pressure. Us leaving him alone, is the greatest reward he could have. Let's get in there. - Clinton's bigger and badder than me, and if he can't help Jack,
I don't think anybody can. - So straightaway, I'm
gonna ask his feet to move. Forward, Jack. Move those feet. When I say move, you better move now. Once you've got a horse that's aggressive, you better start thinking about how you're gonna correct
that pretty quickly. I want him to realize I'm deadly serious. - Jack was probably thinking, holy crap, who is this Australian? - Right now, he's figured
out that I'm not normal. This is a whole different boxing match than what he's used to. Too slow, move. Right now. He pinned his ears at me right then. - The horse definitely
had a change in responding to Clinton's more aggressive, black and white behavior. You could see that change in his eye. - Change direction, step in front. Back. Ask him to lope. I pointed in the air, and he didn't lope. The thing that I really had
to get across to Kim was, to be black and white. Don't turn your butt towards me. One good whack is better
than a thousand little taps. If you're gonna get in
there and spank one's butt, get in there and get the job done and be done with it at that point. Better, he loped. I'm gonna ask him again. Better, I like that one better. Notice those two times I
didn't smack him on the butt. Good boy. See him licking his lips? I love that. See how his ears have pricked forward? What do you think he's
thinking right now, Kim? - Holy crap. - He's thinking holy crap, what is wrong with this
guy, he's on crack. (Kim laughing) That's good, I want him
wondering if I'm on crack. - Right. - Because that's the
opposite of him wondering if he's gonna kill me today. - Yep.
- We've rattled his world a little bit, haven't we?
- Mhm. - Good boy, see? I'm actually a pretty
good friend of yours, but you gotta give me
two eyes, not two heels. And not two eyes and run over me. Not bite me, not chase me. And now I'm gonna do
something he's not expecting. I'm gonna walk away. And say you know what, you
did a good job, let's get out. Kim, I went in there and said, this is a whole new ball game, I'm not your typical opponent. I'm somebody a whole lot different. So when I said, move your
feet, I made it when? - Now.
- Now. - Move your feet now, not in two seconds, not in three seconds, and if he didn't, I got so far up his butt he didn't know what to do with himself, did he? Any time you saw me whip his butt, it's because I said move your feet, and he said what,
- No. - I don't want to. See, punishment works
on dogs and husbands, but it doesn't work on horses. So even though I whacked him, that's not to punish, that's to say, I want to move your feet. Now I'm sure there's a few tree-huggers that are watching this show right now, that saw me whack him
on the butt 10 times, and said, oh my God, I can't believe he just whipped that horse on the butt. But if he would've grabbed
you around the throat and stomped on you and
threw you into the ground, and you went to hospital, do you think he would've
called you that night, and said, Kim, how ya feelin'? I feel terrible that I just
stomped you into the ground. Ripped your throat out. Do you think he would've sent you flowers? - Yeah, right. - Do you think he
would've sent you a card? He wouldn't have cared one
little bit about you, would he? Okay Kim, we're gonna
take it to the next level. Are you ready to come in there with me? (exciting country music) Check out our latest catalog from Down Under Horsemanship. It's filled with beautiful imagery and in-depth information
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door, free of charge. (soft piano music) (exciting country music) okay Kim, we're about to
go back in there again. You know, he's got your number. Would you agree?
- Sure. - You're intimidated by him,
you're a little scared of him. - Well I'm a little bit nervous. Because he's almost gotten me before. But I know Clinton's
gonna be in there with me, and I will get the job done. - But I need you to kind of
suck it up a little bit now. You know what I mean,
I need you to kind of grow some balls and step in there and say right, I'm in control now. Don't go into a dog fight
acting like a chicken, because you'll get eaten. Go into a dog fight acting like dog. That doesn't mean that I
want you to go in there and beat the snot out of him. It means that I want you to go in there and be a leader. And when you say move those
feet, and he doesn't move it, you're gonna come undone
like a crazy woman on crack. And he's gonna say, holy
crap, she's just like him. Is there a lot of crack going around the neighborhood,
because these people are on it. Let's get going, mate. Okay, what I want you to do now, is you go and round pen him now. So point, ask him to go
around to the left first. Point up to the height of the left, point, cluck, c'mon, get in there. What's going on? Now, when you pointed just
then, Kim, what did he do? - Just looked at me. - Did he go anywhere?
- No. - Come on! Let's get going. Point, where's your point? You can fix a horse's aggressive behavior. But if you put that horse
back into an environment where the human being
is scared of the horse, it will eventually go
back to the way it was and it will go back to
attacking you again. Come on, get in there! Now just relax. I want you to go from a nice relaxed woman to a crazy woman on crack,
do you understand me? - Yep. It's a big workout for both of us. Jack definitely makes me
want to do more cardio. - Come on, get in there! Come on, I don't see you gettin' in there like you mean business now. Point. (clucks) There, yeah right there. See how he pinned those
ears at you right then? See he just gave you
that eat (beep) dialogue, didn't he?
- Uh-huh. - [Clinton] What'd you
do when he did that? - [Kim] I wasn't aggressive enough. - Yeah, you did nothin', I had to step in there
and kick his ass for you. That's what I'm getting at. He knows you're back in the round pen. He just gave you a signal and said, I hate you, what are
you gonna do about it? And you did nothing. When he turned his head
and pinned his ears at us, he said, you better do
something about this, because I'm about to
jump down your throat. Right then and there is when I ran in with the whip and whipped him on the butt and said get goin'. Because what he was doing
is he was warning her. Hey, I'm about to charge you. I'm about to run over you. Ask him to canter. Come on! What's he doing now, what's he doing now? Come on, he's pinning his ears at you. Get in there, c'mon. There, leave him alone. Good girl. Alright, let's talk
about that a little bit. It's not go when you want to go. When I say go, oh I love that. What happened then when
I pointed just then? - [Kim] Much more reaction. - He jumped like his life depended on it. Guess what, it does. I want him to think, if I don't move, he might just kill me, he's that crazy. Okay Kim, if you're about
to step in there now by yourself, I need you to be confident. I need you to be a leader. Don't step in there like you're
gonna get your ass whipped. Okay, I want you to be confident, I want you to get in there, and I'm gonna talk your way through it. Okay, if there's any problems, I'm gonna step in there and help you. Ask him to canter, point up high, cluck. Come on, be a lot more
serious about this Kim. Ask him to lope. - When I got in there by myself, I didn't see the pinny-eared, and he was much better behaved. Quicker turns, much more submissive. I responded differently with the horse. A little quicker. It's kinda hard not to when
Clinton's yellin' at ya. - [Clinton] Point, keep going. Yeah quit on that. Catch his eye and get
him to come into you. Walk away from him. Good girl. Good girl, just stop there. (twangy country music) - [Announcer] Step up your horsemanship, with the Clinton Anderson method. Now available in a complete set. Fundamentals starts you on your
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you the ultimate collection of his wildly popular training method kits at a package price. (exciting orchestra music) (upbeat instrumental theme) - You know, when I originally
saw the footage of Jack, you know, he looked very aggressive. He was very pinny-eared, very dominant, very much in control of the situation. But I also saw a horse
that I don't truly believe wants to be like that, he's just learnt to develop those habits over time. You know I also saw a horse that, if you could get in and
get him to do what you want and get out quickly and reward him, he wouldn't want to
naturally be like that. So I felt like there was
definitely hope for this horse, but you had to address the problem in a step by step fashion,
be very black and white, and get the job done. - I think it's really important
that Jack gets past this. If he doesn't get past this, I'm afraid that he's gonna hurt someone, or end up being euthanized, because no one can handle him. - Good girl, keep walking, just relax. You're doing great. See now he's being submissive, isn't he? - Yup. - Now you're the leader. He's the submissive one. Now go back to the middle
and just rub him there. Just rub him there. Reward him, Kim. There, rub him a little bit. See, what Kim's gotta realize now, is it's okay for her to
be gentle and love on him, but he's gotta be submissive. He's gotta have that submissive attitude what he's got right now. I don't want him to
think Kim's the bad one, but I want him to think
that if he's disrespectful and aggressive, she will kick his ass, there's no doubt about that. But right now she needs to
love on him a little bit because he's done good for her. Now to get your stick and string and just flog him with
a little kindness there. Instead of flogging him with anger, let's flog him with a little kindness. Let's desensitize him. - Clinton definitely
helped me get over my fear of this particular horse. I've worked with a lot of horses, but this guy, really got me. - Kim was definitely
frightened of the situation, and I don't blame her, you know, having a horse attack you and chase you, and try to kill you can
be very frightening. There's no doubt about that. So I give her a lot of credit for wanting to get on top of this situation. But the horse had already
smelt that blood in the water, so to speak, too, you know. He knew he had her number. So it was extremely important
that when she worked with him that she was black and white,
she had that confidence in her body language, she looked like she was a leader. - This has been just an
incredible experience for me. I've been a Clinton
Anderson fan since 2004, and it's just really incredible for him to fly all the way up
to Michigan to help me, and help Jack, and Jack's owner. We'll continue to work with
him and see where he ends up. I think the cattle feeder will
be getting filled with hay. - In 26 years of doing this for a living, I've never seen a round bale feeder be used as a protective barrier to stop a horse attacking you. But I give Kim credit,
because it's called, use your imagination. She had to be safe, and
that's what she felt like she needed to do that. Number one rule in my method is what, safety first, for you
first, then your horse. Remember you can't train
the horse if you're dead. You have to survive the experience first, train the horse second. Kim, I want to thank you for first of all having the courage and the open mindedness to come and get some help. - The change in Jack,
you could definitely see. You know, there's a new sheriff in town. And hopefully I can be a deputy. - You're gonna learn
from these mistakes now. You're gonna learn to make sure that the next horse you
ever get in training that's aggressive you're
gonna nip it in the bud, aren't you, and not let it develop so bad, to where it's this bad. - Matter of fact, I'm
not gonna be his deputy, I'm gonna be the new sheriff in town. So when Clinton goes back to Texas, this horse will still be good. - It's absolutely everything
to gain your horse's respect. Remember you can't afford
to have a 1,000 pound animal get disrespectful and dangerous like this one was today. Kim did an excellent job, she
gained her horse's respect, and she followed my method. Well mate, it's time for us to find the next problem horse down the road. See you next week. (exciting country music)
