Why Suspension Seatposts Are The ULTIMATE Comfort Upgrade!

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Bicycle frames are stiff truss structures with  little vertical compliance. As we've seen in my   recent video about frame comfort, the majority of  the vertical deflection at the back of the bike   is actually found at the rear tyre, seatpost and  saddle. Today, we'll be diving into the world of   seatposts, and more specifically, suspension  seatposts. Given that cyclists often have 60   to 70% of their body weight on their saddle, I  don't know if there is any other component that   offers as much of an improvement in ride comfort  - that's assuming you've already optimized your   tyre width and pressure. The best bit is that a  suspension seatpost upgrade is as little as $100,   and it's very easy to install yourself. Here  are my six reasons to use a suspension seatpost.   #1 You can improve your comfort. A suspension  seatpost both absorbs bigger hits. as well as   damping vibrations coming up from the road. The  less strain your body experiences when you ride,   the fresher you'll feel at the end of the day.  #2 You can stay seated for longer. Suspension   seatposts allow you to pedal while seated on  terrain that normally requires standing up.   Compared to a rigid post on the same bumpy  climb, I find that my legs often feel fresher   with the suspension seatpost simply because I'm  standing up less. #3 You can reduce or alleviate   lower back pain. It's not uncommon to hear people  with back injuries say they couldn't ride a bike   without a suspension seatpost. By isolating  vibrations and bigger hits from your body,   you will put less strain on your lower back when  you ride. #4 They make narrow tyre bikes much more   capable. A suspension seatpost allows you to take  bikes with narrower tyres on rougher terrain than   you normally could. Obviously, this isn't an ideal  situation, but you'd be surprised how off-road   you can go on 38mm tires. #5 The performance is  not height or weight dependent. The comfort of a   regular seatpost is dependent on your body weight,  as well as the amount of exposed seatpost sticking   out of your frame. As smaller riders often have  less body weight and less exposed seatpost,   they have the most to gain with a suspension  seatpost upgrade. #6 They are lighter,   cheaper and more simple than a full suspension  bike. Rather than using a full-suspension bike,   you can fit a suspension seatpost to a hardtail  and enjoy similar levels of comfort, without the   extra weight, price and complexity. Here are four  reasons NOT to use a suspension seatpost. #1 The   weight. You can expect a 100 to 500-gram weight  penalty over a conventional aluminium seatpost. #2   The suspension bob. When you pedal, your body  movements create forces that can activate the   suspension. This bob will occur to varying degrees  depending on the seatpost model and setup. #3   You have a full-suspension bike. If your bike has  rear suspension, your saddle is already suspended,   so you do not need a suspension seatpost. #4  You have a fat bike. If you're riding a bike   with four to five-inch wide tires those tires  are likely deflecting 30 to 60mm over bumps,   which means that the benefits of a suspension  seatpost are significantly reduced. With the pros   and cons out of the way, let's closely examine  the role of suspension seatposts. There are two   things they're looking to achieve: a larger amount  of vertical deflection (which takes the edge off   bigger hits), and a higher level of damping (which  increases vibration absorption). 'Deflection' is   the total movement that a seatpost will move after  an impact. A seatpost with more deflection will   reduce the fatigue on your body, as it protects  you from harder jolts like unexpected potholes   or dirt road corrugations. It'll also allow you to  keep pedalling through particularly bumpy terrain.   'Damping' is the speed at which the seatpost will  move over repeated bumps. A seatpost that dampens   vibrations effectively will help to insulate  you from road buzz coming up through your bike.   High exposure to vibrations can actually increase  the risk of various injuries. including lower   back pain and spinal degeneration. This is  why vibration exposure is often regulated in   industries that require driving or operating heavy  machinery. When we measure seatpost vibrations in   a laboratory setting, we find that some seatposts  can absorb 15x more vibration than others.   For example. the Thomson Elite seatpost was tested  by Microbac Laboratories to absorb just .025 gs of   vibrations while the Ergon CF3 was absorbing 0.375  gs. But interestingly, data recently collected by   the University of Exeter suggests that once a  seatpost is installed on your bike, it may not   reduce vibration exposure. That said, this test  was conducted using rigid carbon and aluminium   seatposts, so it'd be interesting to find out  whether suspension seatposts are more effective   using the same test protocol. Let's now take  a closer look at the different damping systems   of suspension seatposts. First, we have spring  damping. The best way I can describe these   seatposts is that they're very springy!  This makes them exceptional on off-road   terrain as they're super-responsive to bumps.  But there is a cost to this high reactivity:   I've found that when spring posts are perfectly  set up for rough terrain, they bob more than I'd   like on smooth surfaces. The easiest way to  reduce this movement is to adjust the spring   preload (or the amount of force required to cause  the saddle to start moving). This will stop the   saddle bob, but will also reduce the seatpost's  ability to take the edge off small bumps.   If smooth roads are your thing, you'll likely find  spring seatposts a bit too active. This brings me   to elastomers. Elastomers are the quiet achievers,  as they're much less noticeable underneath   you. This is the result of elastomers having an  inherently slower rebound speed after an impact,   which is particularly beneficial while riding on  fast bumpy surfaces like gravel roads. I tend to   prefer the more muted feel of an elastomer post it  feels more 'natural', for lack of a better word.   The downside to elastomers is that they can  firm up in cold conditions, rendering them   less effective, so skip this design if you need  it to work well in sub-zero conditions. I've also   found they require lubrication around the edges  of the elastomer, although this maintenance is   essentially solved with a simple seatpost cover.  Lastly, we have air damping, which is sometimes   used in telescopic seatposts. The main advantage  is that you can adjust the spring rate to a higher   degree of accuracy. Now, let's look at the  two different suspension seatpost designs.   Linkage-driven suspension seatposts move in the  same direction as the forces coming up from the   rear wheel. This allows them to very effectively  counteract, and even neutralize bumps, reducing   the impact forces travelling through your back  and bum. In addition, linkage posts ensure that   the saddle-to-pedal distance is mostly maintained.  When the seatpost is compressed, a telescopic post   is usually considered inferior, as the angle it  compresses is different to the direction of force   coming from the rear wheel, resulting in a less  reactive seatpost system. Telescopic posts also   end up with a shorter saddle-to-pedal distance  when you are riding over bumps. Despite their   flaws, telescopic posts are still very common, as  they're often lighter cheaper, more subtle, and   have a lower installation height. Let's move on  to the data. To see how these different seatpost   designs compare, Krzysztof over at GravelBikes.cc  has been using his smartphone with a vibration   meter app to compare the vibration absorption of  different bike components, on both a rough trail   and a fast gravel road. On the rough trail, the  spring seatposts are, by a large margin, the most   effective at mitigating vibrations. Meanwhile, the  elastomer Cane Creek eeSilk offers around half as   much vibration improvement. However, it's worth  noting that this seatpost only has around half the   suspension travel. It'd be interesting to see how  a longer travel elastomer seatpost compares here.   And finally, the air seatpost improved things  a bit, but clearly requires a higher bump force   to activate. The gravel road with fast repetitive  bumps narrows the difference between an elastomer   seatpost and a spring seatpost - despite  the variation in suspension travel. This is   because the bump force is lower on gravel roads,  which means that the spring post is likely only   using half its travel anyway. The air seatpost  showed little difference from the typical carbon   seat post in this test. Suspension seatposts are  available with anything from 20 to 90mm of travel,   so how do you choose the best travel for you?  Rougher roads warrant more suspension travel.   As we just saw in the test, if you're riding  on rougher terrain with larger forces coming   from the rear wheel, you will benefit from  more suspension travel as it can dampen   more vibrations. I'd say most rough roads can  be comfortably cycled with just 35mm of travel,   but 50mm or more may be required if you're  hitting bumps at higher speeds. More upright   riding positions are also better suited to  longer suspension travel. This is simply due   to the higher percentage of weight on your saddle.  Conversely, if you have more weight on your hands   because you ride in a more sporty position - you  can get away with less suspension travel. Finally,   let's now take a look at the best suspension  seatpost products. The Kinekt 2.1 and 3.1 are   among the most active seatposts on this list,  offering 35mm of travel. There are five spring   rates to choose from, suiting riders right up to  145 kilograms. The carbon model is the lightest   coil-sprung seatpost money can buy at 471 grams.  These seat posts are particularly active in their   initial part of their travel, so they tend to  be better suited on rougher trails rather than   smoother roads, in my experience. That said, you  can quickly firm things up without using any tools   via the preload control knob, which is an optional  extra for $16. The Redshift Shockstop is the best   coil-sprung post I've tested, as it seems to do  a great job of absorbing off-road bumps without   bobbing too much on the smoother roads. However,  it still isn't perfect. When I got the preload   right for off-road terrain, I found there was  more bob than I'd like on the road. Unfortunately,   the preload bolt is not particularly accessible as  it's at the bottom of the seatpost, so it's not an   adjustment that you'd want to make too regularly.  The Shockstop weighs 547 grams and can be used by   riders up to 110 kilograms. The By.Schulz G.2  is a very highly-rated seatpost. There is a   short-travel version with 30mm and a long-travel  version with 50mm of suspension. You can choose   from five different spring rates, which will suit  riders all the way up to 150 kilograms. There are   10 different diameters too, making them suitable  for almost every bike. The downside to this   seatpost is that there is no preload adjuster,  so you might find it feeling springy sometimes,   and it's heavier than most at 700 grams or  so. The low-cost suspension post of choice   is the Suntour NCX. At under a hundred dollars,  it's a complete bargain, but there are downsides:   it's pretty heavy (around 800 grams) and it  comes with only one spring rate out of the box   (although softer and firmer springs are only $15).  The maximum rider weight is 120 kilograms. I've   spent years on the previous version of the Cane  Creek Thudbuster. With its slower rebound speed,   I think it's a great option if you ride a larger  percentage on smoother surfaces. The 50mm of   travel is ample for off-road use too. There are  four spring rates to choose from, suiting riders   right up to 150 kilograms. If you ride a mix of  gravel and tarmac roads I don't know if you can do   any better than the Cane Creek eeSilk. At half the  weight and half the travel of most squishy posts,   it performs closer to the best carbon seatposts  available. But the key difference to a carbon   post is that the spring rate isn't determined by  how much exposed seat post you have, allowing you   to perfectly tune it to your body weight using  the five different elastomers available. Regular   dropper posts have very little vertical flex,  which is an unfortunate consequence of their   telescoping design. If you love dropper posts, but  also want to maximize your ride comfort - there   are two suspension options available (and a third  in the works). The best performing model is the   Byschulz D.2. It costs a small fortune, but this  coil-sprung option will stay incredibly active on   bumpy roads. Like the regular Byschulz post, there  are multiple spring rates to choose from and 30mm   of travel. The other dropper option is the PNW  Coast, which has 40mm of suspension, and is the   best-value dropper by far. This air spring system  has been tested by gravel bikes to be much less   active than the other suspension seatposts, but  it'll still take the edge off those bigger hits,   and performs well on gravel roads too. In summary,  a suspension seat post is a great comfort upgrade   as it will both absorb bigger hits as well as  dampen vibrations coming up from the road. This   essentially means you'll feel fresher at the end  of a long ride. For anything slow and off-road,   you cannot beat a spring-damped seatpost. These  posts are incredibly active underneath you, and   will allow you to stay seated on rough surfaces  for much longer. If you ride a decent percentage   on smoother surfaces or are sensitive to  suspension bob, you'll prefer elastomer seatposts,   as they're less noticeable underneath you. The  Cane Creek eeSilk is what I personally use and   recommend. It's great for if you have a sporty  ride position like me, or if you mostly ride on   smoother roads. Given it only has 20mm of travel,  you will have to compromise on the rougher roads,   but I still find it offers a significant comfort  improvement over a regular post. Plus it doesn't   bounce, it's light and it's elegant. If this video  has inspired you to pick up a suspension seatpost,   check out the affiliate links below, which  will help to support this channel. You can   also support my bike nerd content directly on  Patreon or via Paypal. Alternatively, grab a copy   of my Touring or Bikepacking Bike Buyer's Guides,  which will teach you everything you need to know   about the bikes, before allowing you to compare  hundreds of current bikes at the back of the book.
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Length: 14min 7sec (847 seconds)
Published: Sat May 08 2021
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