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and thank you for joining me for another 0:00:05.600,0:00:09.440
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video so the case that we're covering 0:00:09.440,0:00:12.000
today 0:00:10.080,0:00:14.000
was actually recommended in the comment 0:00:12.000,0:00:17.039
section of the video i did 0:00:14.000,0:00:18.480
on um i think it was alexis sharkey 0:00:17.039,0:00:21.039
and i wish i'd screenshotted the 0:00:18.480,0:00:23.359
comments so that i could give whoever 0:00:21.039,0:00:24.160
made the comment a shout out but if it 0:00:23.359,0:00:26.640
was you 0:00:24.160,0:00:28.880
let me know in the comments anyways this 0:00:26.640,0:00:29.599
person this commenter suggested that i 0:00:28.880,0:00:33.360
watch the 0:00:29.599,0:00:36.079
hbo docu-series murder on middle beach 0:00:33.360,0:00:37.600
and at first i you know i watched it 0:00:36.079,0:00:40.160
because it was recommended to me 0:00:37.600,0:00:42.000
and i like watching documentaries and 0:00:40.160,0:00:44.559
docu-series and true crime stuff 0:00:42.000,0:00:45.440
but i didn't plan on doing a video about 0:00:44.559,0:00:48.000
the case i just 0:00:45.440,0:00:48.800
kind of watched it for fun i guess if 0:00:48.000,0:00:50.719
that's 0:00:48.800,0:00:52.640
the way i should say it like in my free 0:00:50.719,0:00:55.760
time but believe me when i tell you 0:00:52.640,0:00:58.399
halfway through the first episode 0:00:55.760,0:00:59.199
i was hooked and i started taking notes 0:00:58.399,0:01:01.920
because i knew 0:00:59.199,0:01:03.039
i would have to make a video or two 0:01:01.920,0:01:05.360
about the case 0:01:03.039,0:01:06.320
for a few reasons firstly it's still 0:01:05.360,0:01:08.080
unsolved so 0:01:06.320,0:01:10.240
anytime we can raise awareness and get 0:01:08.080,0:01:13.680
the word out about an unsolved murder 0:01:10.240,0:01:17.360
we should take that opportunity secondly 0:01:13.680,0:01:18.159
it's such a compelling case with so many 0:01:17.360,0:01:21.680
suspects 0:01:18.159,0:01:24.159
and theories and a really complicated 0:01:21.680,0:01:25.119
yet relatable family at the center of it 0:01:24.159,0:01:28.240
all so 0:01:25.119,0:01:30.400
i am hoping that it stimulates some very 0:01:28.240,0:01:30.960
interesting conversations in the comment 0:01:30.400,0:01:32.880
section 0:01:30.960,0:01:34.159
today we're talking about the murder of 0:01:32.880,0:01:37.439
49 year old 0:01:34.159,0:01:39.360
barbara beech hamburg but before we talk 0:01:37.439,0:01:41.119
about the case itself i want to quickly 0:01:39.360,0:01:41.600
talk about the person who ended up 0:01:41.119,0:01:45.200
making 0:01:41.600,0:01:47.520
this documentary barbara's son madison 0:01:45.200,0:01:48.240
who was 18 years old when his mother was 0:01:47.520,0:01:50.880
killed 0:01:48.240,0:01:51.520
he began working on this as a school 0:01:50.880,0:01:53.520
project 0:01:51.520,0:01:55.280
three years after her death while he was 0:01:53.520,0:01:56.079
attending savannah college for art and 0:01:55.280,0:01:57.840
design 0:01:56.079,0:02:00.640
with the hopes of finding a killer 0:01:57.840,0:02:04.799
hamburg's son madison who is a filmmaker 0:02:00.640,0:02:07.119
partnered with hbo to make a documentary 0:02:04.799,0:02:08.000
what do you think i'm looking for you 0:02:07.119,0:02:11.680
want to know who 0:02:08.000,0:02:14.000
mom was because of the murder 0:02:11.680,0:02:15.360
what do you think i need hello check 0:02:14.000,0:02:17.520
check peace 0:02:15.360,0:02:19.520
murder on middle beach is showcasing 0:02:17.520,0:02:20.879
hamburg's son's journey to find his 0:02:19.520,0:02:24.959
mother's killer 0:02:20.879,0:02:24.959
one day when this comes out 0:02:25.280,0:02:29.520
the person who did this to mom they'll 0:02:28.400,0:02:32.800
see this 0:02:29.520,0:02:35.280
documentary we asked police about the 0:02:32.800,0:02:36.560
soon to be released hbo series 0:02:35.280,0:02:38.080
through what he's putting out there 0:02:36.560,0:02:38.400
there's a piece of information that we 0:02:38.080,0:02:40.400
didn't 0:02:38.400,0:02:41.519
previously have and i know he's been out 0:02:40.400,0:02:44.400
doing interviews 0:02:41.519,0:02:46.480
throughout town so maybe there's that 0:02:44.400,0:02:48.000
piece of information that he'll uncover 0:02:46.480,0:02:49.920
and then together we can we can bring 0:02:48.000,0:02:50.800
this to closure madison had also been 0:02:49.920,0:02:53.200
struggling with 0:02:50.800,0:02:55.120
a drug addiction for several years and 0:02:53.200,0:02:57.280
when his mother's life ended 0:02:55.120,0:02:58.560
he hadn't really seen or spoken to her 0:02:57.280,0:03:01.840
for several weeks so 0:02:58.560,0:03:05.200
there was obviously a new layer of 0:03:01.840,0:03:05.920
pain for him he was a teenager on a bad 0:03:05.200,0:03:08.400
path 0:03:05.920,0:03:10.400
he wasn't living at home at the time and 0:03:08.400,0:03:12.800
he most likely felt 0:03:10.400,0:03:14.080
there had been a lot of wasted time that 0:03:12.800,0:03:15.760
could have been spent with his mother 0:03:14.080,0:03:18.480
while he was out chasing 0:03:15.760,0:03:20.640
other pursuits and there's a point in 0:03:18.480,0:03:22.480
the third episode of the series because 0:03:20.640,0:03:25.599
there's four episodes all together 0:03:22.480,0:03:27.840
where madison breaks down and cries 0:03:25.599,0:03:28.640
saying that shortly before his mother 0:03:27.840,0:03:31.280
died 0:03:28.640,0:03:32.560
he'd shown her another film project he'd 0:03:31.280,0:03:34.319
been working on 0:03:32.560,0:03:35.760
which dealt with the topic of someone 0:03:34.319,0:03:38.239
taking their own life 0:03:35.760,0:03:40.319
and barbara had you know teared up like 0:03:38.239,0:03:42.480
she started to cry and she asked him 0:03:40.319,0:03:43.760
if something happens to me do you think 0:03:42.480,0:03:45.360
you'll be okay 0:03:43.760,0:03:46.640
and madison had told her you know i'm 0:03:45.360,0:03:47.680
not gonna let that happen i'm not gonna 0:03:46.640,0:03:50.400
let anything 0:03:47.680,0:03:51.120
happen to you so clearly there is 0:03:50.400,0:03:54.159
another 0:03:51.120,0:03:56.000
level of grief and regret on top of 0:03:54.159,0:03:57.680
you know the sadness and loss you 0:03:56.000,0:04:00.159
already feel when a loved one 0:03:57.680,0:04:01.680
is taken from you especially a parent 0:04:00.159,0:04:03.760
and madison 0:04:01.680,0:04:05.760
is a guy after my own heart when it 0:04:03.760,0:04:06.640
comes to telling these true crime 0:04:05.760,0:04:08.879
stories which 0:04:06.640,0:04:10.319
is something that we we usually call 0:04:08.879,0:04:12.720
them right stories 0:04:10.319,0:04:13.680
but in reality you know they aren't 0:04:12.720,0:04:16.400
stories at all 0:04:13.680,0:04:17.120
they are real events happening to real 0:04:16.400,0:04:19.680
people 0:04:17.120,0:04:21.359
and these real events always have a 0:04:19.680,0:04:23.520
ripple effect that touches not only 0:04:21.359,0:04:26.080
those directly involved but 0:04:23.520,0:04:26.880
family members friends and the community 0:04:26.080,0:04:30.000
as well 0:04:26.880,0:04:31.040
and madison wanted to create his project 0:04:30.000,0:04:33.520
with that in mind 0:04:31.040,0:04:35.199
saying quote when i came back to school 0:04:33.520,0:04:37.120
it was hard to tell people what had 0:04:35.199,0:04:39.280
happened to me because there is this 0:04:37.120,0:04:40.320
connotation that comes with my mother 0:04:39.280,0:04:42.880
being murdered 0:04:40.320,0:04:44.800
i was hoping through the film to change 0:04:42.880,0:04:46.160
that or at least take a step towards a 0:04:44.800,0:04:48.320
different connotation 0:04:46.160,0:04:50.479
which is the unresolved guilt and 0:04:48.320,0:04:52.639
lingering distrust and navigating all 0:04:50.479,0:04:55.040
that while telling the story of a murder 0:04:52.639,0:04:56.000
from a human perspective and a familial 0:04:55.040,0:04:58.160
perspective 0:04:56.000,0:05:00.240
end quote and in my opinion madison 0:04:58.160,0:05:02.720
achieved all that and more 0:05:00.240,0:05:04.479
with murder on middle beach as i watched 0:05:02.720,0:05:06.320
the episodes i found myself swinging 0:05:04.479,0:05:07.520
back and forth between relating to 0:05:06.320,0:05:09.759
barbara 0:05:07.520,0:05:11.199
um seeing myself in barbara and then 0:05:09.759,0:05:14.000
seeing my own children 0:05:11.199,0:05:15.680
and her children you know thinking about 0:05:14.000,0:05:17.840
what would happen to them 0:05:15.680,0:05:19.600
if this happened to me and her children 0:05:17.840,0:05:20.080
are obviously madison himself and his 0:05:19.600,0:05:24.000
younger 0:05:20.080,0:05:26.400
sister ali seeing how a young family 0:05:24.000,0:05:27.440
can start off so happy you know they can 0:05:26.400,0:05:29.919
have it all 0:05:27.440,0:05:31.039
and then something happens or a lot of 0:05:29.919,0:05:34.320
things happen 0:05:31.039,0:05:37.280
and the innocence and unfiltered joy 0:05:34.320,0:05:38.800
turns into jealousy resentment hurt 0:05:37.280,0:05:41.360
anger and division 0:05:38.800,0:05:42.720
so we will start from the beginning with 0:05:41.360,0:05:44.560
that young happy family 0:05:42.720,0:05:45.840
who had so many years ahead of them to 0:05:44.560,0:05:48.560
look forward to 0:05:45.840,0:05:50.080
and the hope for the future that really 0:05:48.560,0:05:52.080
only happens 0:05:50.080,0:05:54.560
when you have all those years to look 0:05:52.080,0:05:57.039
forward to before life deals you blow 0:05:54.560,0:05:57.840
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that's always 0:08:55.279,0:08:59.120
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so barbara beach 0:10:22.399,0:10:26.720
was one of six children three boys and 0:10:24.800,0:10:29.360
three girls and she was the youngest 0:10:26.720,0:10:30.320
girl in the third episode of the series 0:10:29.360,0:10:32.480
titled sisters 0:10:30.320,0:10:34.399
barbara's early life in alexandria 0:10:32.480,0:10:36.399
virginia is touched on a bit 0:10:34.399,0:10:37.920
there's a lot of great home videos 0:10:36.399,0:10:40.320
included in the episode 0:10:37.920,0:10:41.279
barbara's mother who's also named 0:10:40.320,0:10:42.800
barbara 0:10:41.279,0:10:44.640
said that she felt it was tough having 0:10:42.800,0:10:46.640
six kids so close together 0:10:44.640,0:10:48.000
because she was always you know feeling 0:10:46.640,0:10:49.839
guilty that they all 0:10:48.000,0:10:51.839
suffered a little neglect and i 0:10:49.839,0:10:53.920
certainly don't think she meant neglect 0:10:51.839,0:10:56.160
as in you know they weren't being fed or 0:10:53.920,0:10:56.640
clothed i just think she met neglect as 0:10:56.160,0:10:57.920
in 0:10:56.640,0:10:59.600
you know like your one mother and you 0:10:57.920,0:11:00.000
have six kids so there's really not 0:10:59.600,0:11:02.480
enough 0:11:00.000,0:11:04.160
time for you to give any one of them 0:11:02.480,0:11:05.839
undivided attention and there's going to 0:11:04.160,0:11:07.760
be times you know maybe where they feel 0:11:05.839,0:11:09.760
overlooked and i think any parent who 0:11:07.760,0:11:12.399
has even more than one child 0:11:09.760,0:11:14.320
can attest to this feeling of guilt but 0:11:12.399,0:11:15.519
you can tell that these six children 0:11:14.320,0:11:18.640
were very loved 0:11:15.519,0:11:20.959
and they had this great happy tall 0:11:18.640,0:11:22.720
handsome father who came up with fun 0:11:20.959,0:11:24.399
ways to keep them busy like filling 0:11:22.720,0:11:26.839
their basketball court with water in the 0:11:24.399,0:11:29.839
winter so they could ice skate on it 0:11:26.839,0:11:30.399
however no one is perfect and barbara's 0:11:29.839,0:11:33.519
father 0:11:30.399,0:11:34.399
sandy beach was no exception it seemed 0:11:33.519,0:11:36.320
that there 0:11:34.399,0:11:38.880
there was and there is a tendency in the 0:11:36.320,0:11:41.440
beach family to turn to alcoholism 0:11:38.880,0:11:42.000
although barbara's sister conway says 0:11:41.440,0:11:44.880
she doesn't 0:11:42.000,0:11:45.360
remember their father as an alcoholic he 0:11:44.880,0:11:47.839
was 0:11:45.360,0:11:48.399
but he did desperately want to get 0:11:47.839,0:11:50.560
better 0:11:48.399,0:11:51.440
and once his drinking had taken a toll 0:11:50.560,0:11:54.160
on his family 0:11:51.440,0:11:56.639
and his marriage he left he left his 0:11:54.160,0:11:57.519
family to get treatment and they don't 0:11:56.639,0:12:00.800
really make it 0:11:57.519,0:12:03.519
clear on if he left and 0:12:00.800,0:12:04.880
and you know kind of never came back or 0:12:03.519,0:12:08.399
if he left and then 0:12:04.880,0:12:10.639
he and barbara got divorced after that 0:12:08.399,0:12:11.760
but either way he got better and he 0:12:10.639,0:12:14.079
became a man who 0:12:11.760,0:12:15.120
had not only gotten his own demons under 0:12:14.079,0:12:16.639
control 0:12:15.120,0:12:18.480
but a man who now felt it was his 0:12:16.639,0:12:21.279
mission to help others recover 0:12:18.480,0:12:23.120
according to the tampa bay times richard 0:12:21.279,0:12:25.440
sandy beach was born in new haven 0:12:23.120,0:12:27.440
connecticut in 1931. 0:12:25.440,0:12:29.920
he had his first alcoholic drink at a 0:12:27.440,0:12:31.600
college mixer and he found it helped him 0:12:29.920,0:12:33.920
loosen up and socialize better 0:12:31.600,0:12:35.600
after graduating from yale university he 0:12:33.920,0:12:37.760
enlisted in the marine corps where he 0:12:35.600,0:12:38.639
taught pilots how to land on aircraft 0:12:37.760,0:12:41.560
carriers 0:12:38.639,0:12:42.880
he took his last drink on december 7 0:12:41.560,0:12:45.279
1964 0:12:42.880,0:12:46.320
when barbara was just three years old 0:12:45.279,0:12:48.639
and he became an 0:12:46.320,0:12:50.880
unpaid speaker traveling the world and 0:12:48.639,0:12:51.360
giving his wisdom and understanding at 0:12:50.880,0:12:53.600
aa 0:12:51.360,0:12:54.720
conferences and other sorts of like 0:12:53.600,0:12:56.160
speaking arrangements 0:12:54.720,0:12:58.800
hi everybody my name is sandy beech and 0:12:56.160,0:13:02.399
i'm an alcoholic 0:12:58.800,0:13:07.519
if somebody asked me to try and 0:13:02.399,0:13:11.360
summarize the entire aaa program 0:13:07.519,0:13:14.120
in two words the words i would choose 0:13:11.360,0:13:16.240
is let go and that is so 0:13:14.120,0:13:20.720
counterintuitive 0:13:16.240,0:13:23.839
to a person who controls their life 0:13:20.720,0:13:26.480
manages their life thinks about nothing 0:13:23.839,0:13:28.399
but their life 0:13:26.480,0:13:30.959
and it leaves us with the sensation 0:13:28.399,0:13:32.639
there wouldn't be much left for me to do 0:13:30.959,0:13:35.040
and although sandy was able to pull 0:13:32.639,0:13:37.360
himself up from rock bottom 0:13:35.040,0:13:39.120
this did not prevent the gene from being 0:13:37.360,0:13:41.760
passed down to his children 0:13:39.120,0:13:43.600
his wife barbara lund claimed that all 0:13:41.760,0:13:44.720
three of her daughters would eventually 0:13:43.600,0:13:46.560
turn to alcohol 0:13:44.720,0:13:49.279
and they would in some way lose control 0:13:46.560,0:13:50.000
of their lives conway beach the middle 0:13:49.279,0:13:51.600
daughter 0:13:50.000,0:13:53.760
says that she also remembered her 0:13:51.600,0:13:55.120
grandmother drinking alcohol heavily 0:13:53.760,0:13:58.000
whenever she would come to visit 0:13:55.120,0:13:59.600
so it was definitely a pervasive thing 0:13:58.000,0:14:01.440
that caused a lot of heartbreak for this 0:13:59.600,0:14:02.000
family which we will dive into as the 0:14:01.440,0:14:05.680
videos go 0:14:02.000,0:14:08.000
on so in march of 1989 barbara 0:14:05.680,0:14:08.720
the daughter not the mother married a 0:14:08.000,0:14:11.839
man named 0:14:08.720,0:14:12.320
jeffrey hamburg who i swear in his 0:14:11.839,0:14:15.199
younger 0:14:12.320,0:14:16.800
and even his older years looks so much 0:14:15.199,0:14:19.040
like harrison ford but 0:14:16.800,0:14:20.240
you know he also had that sitcom dad 0:14:19.040,0:14:23.680
look right tall 0:14:20.240,0:14:25.920
handsome perfect hair smiling strong 0:14:23.680,0:14:27.600
and steady and he was described by 0:14:25.920,0:14:29.760
barbara's family in the beginning 0:14:27.600,0:14:30.639
as the most charismatic the most 0:14:29.760,0:14:33.360
intelligent 0:14:30.639,0:14:34.160
the most fun guy and he was successful 0:14:33.360,0:14:36.240
and well off 0:14:34.160,0:14:38.399
working as the president of southern 0:14:36.240,0:14:39.720
electric's international division 0:14:38.399,0:14:42.000
and eventually becoming a 0:14:39.720,0:14:44.079
multi-millionaire so 0:14:42.000,0:14:46.639
barbara had thought you know i've found 0:14:44.079,0:14:48.720
the one my soul mate my prince charming 0:14:46.639,0:14:49.920
he took care of her he took her to 0:14:48.720,0:14:52.160
travel the world he 0:14:49.920,0:14:54.160
literally treated her like a princess 0:14:52.160,0:14:55.680
and from what anyone could see 0:14:54.160,0:14:57.519
they were both very much in love with 0:14:55.680,0:15:00.639
each other but barbara was 0:14:57.519,0:15:02.399
head over heels for jeff and those years 0:15:00.639,0:15:03.120
that we were talking about earlier you 0:15:02.399,0:15:04.639
know the ones 0:15:03.120,0:15:06.399
that you get to look forward to when 0:15:04.639,0:15:09.360
you're young they were 0:15:06.399,0:15:11.040
looking very bright and rosy in 1991 0:15:09.360,0:15:13.760
barbara gave birth to their first 0:15:11.040,0:15:15.120
child a boy they named madison and as 0:15:13.760,0:15:17.600
the story goes 0:15:15.120,0:15:18.800
madison was very close to his mother who 0:15:17.600,0:15:21.199
spent her days with him 0:15:18.800,0:15:22.240
playing and recording all his little 0:15:21.199,0:15:24.560
baby moments 0:15:22.240,0:15:26.000
doting on him and loving him with every 0:15:24.560,0:15:29.519
bit of her heart 0:15:26.000,0:15:30.480
two years later in 1993 madison's sister 0:15:29.519,0:15:33.519
ellie was born 0:15:30.480,0:15:36.399
whose real name is also barbara 0:15:33.519,0:15:38.160
but her middle name is alexandra so she 0:15:36.399,0:15:40.320
prefers to be called ally 0:15:38.160,0:15:41.199
so that's a three barbers all together 0:15:40.320,0:15:43.279
at this point 0:15:41.199,0:15:45.360
um the grandmother the mother and the 0:15:43.279,0:15:46.320
daughter but we will call barbara's 0:15:45.360,0:15:48.320
daughter ellie 0:15:46.320,0:15:49.360
always and we'll always call barbara's 0:15:48.320,0:15:51.120
mother barb 0:15:49.360,0:15:53.040
just to make it a little easier to keep 0:15:51.120,0:15:56.160
track of and not get too complicated 0:15:53.040,0:15:58.320
so barb in the documentary tells madison 0:15:56.160,0:15:59.600
that he grew up with a silver spoon and 0:15:58.320,0:16:02.720
you can see what she means 0:15:59.600,0:16:03.440
while watching the the series it was a 0:16:02.720,0:16:06.240
picture 0:16:03.440,0:16:08.240
perfect childhood they had money they 0:16:06.240,0:16:10.560
lived in a beautiful home 0:16:08.240,0:16:11.680
in atlanta i believe that they were 0:16:10.560,0:16:14.399
originally living in 0:16:11.680,0:16:14.959
georgia and then they had this summer 0:16:14.399,0:16:16.320
home 0:16:14.959,0:16:19.360
that was in connecticut which would 0:16:16.320,0:16:21.519
eventually become their their main home 0:16:19.360,0:16:22.880
and this house in connecticut was you 0:16:21.519,0:16:24.639
know huge 0:16:22.880,0:16:26.000
and it was in a very affluent 0:16:24.639,0:16:28.160
connecticut suburb 0:16:26.000,0:16:29.920
they had nannies they had drivers 0:16:28.160,0:16:30.240
madison went to the best schools you 0:16:29.920,0:16:32.480
know 0:16:30.240,0:16:33.440
anything money could buy essentially 0:16:32.480,0:16:37.440
they had it 0:16:33.440,0:16:39.680
but it wouldn't last in october of 1991 0:16:37.440,0:16:40.720
jeffrey hamburg was suddenly fired from 0:16:39.680,0:16:42.800
southern electric 0:16:40.720,0:16:44.399
after an internal review on his business 0:16:42.800,0:16:46.959
dealings in portugal 0:16:44.399,0:16:47.600
allegedly revealed unethical business 0:16:46.959,0:16:50.079
practices 0:16:47.600,0:16:51.360
in bidding for a coal-fired power plant 0:16:50.079,0:16:54.000
north of lisbon 0:16:51.360,0:16:54.639
and this was big news it made the papers 0:16:54.000,0:16:56.959
like 0:16:54.639,0:16:58.959
domestically you know in the states 0:16:56.959,0:17:01.519
everyone was talking about it so 0:16:58.959,0:17:03.839
jeffrey hamburg turned around and sued 0:17:01.519,0:17:06.079
southern electric for defamation asking 0:17:03.839,0:17:08.240
for 20 million dollars in damages 0:17:06.079,0:17:10.640
he ended up winning but it looks like he 0:17:08.240,0:17:11.439
was only awarded about 2.7 million 0:17:10.640,0:17:14.079
dollars 0:17:11.439,0:17:15.360
and after this those who knew jeffrey 0:17:14.079,0:17:18.480
found him to be 0:17:15.360,0:17:20.880
changed after leaving southern electric 0:17:18.480,0:17:21.839
jeff hamburg started his own company 0:17:20.880,0:17:26.319
called road 0:17:21.839,0:17:28.079
track ltd according to a 1997 article in 0:17:26.319,0:17:30.480
the chicago tribune 0:17:28.079,0:17:31.360
road track was an atlanta-based company 0:17:30.480,0:17:33.440
that beamed 0:17:31.360,0:17:34.880
signals from various satellites to 0:17:33.440,0:17:37.120
locate a vehicle 0:17:34.880,0:17:39.600
using triangulation technology developed 0:17:37.120,0:17:41.840
by the united states defense department 0:17:39.600,0:17:42.640
this article also says the company was 0:17:41.840,0:17:45.919
created 0:17:42.640,0:17:46.320
in 1995 by jeffrey hamburg and would 0:17:45.919,0:17:48.799
cost 0:17:46.320,0:17:49.600
customers a thousand dollars to install 0:17:48.799,0:17:52.240
and 20 0:17:49.600,0:17:53.919
a month to use now i can't say for sure 0:17:52.240,0:17:56.480
what happened with this company and due 0:17:53.919,0:17:59.520
to certain things i found online like 0:17:56.480,0:18:01.919
patent dates and dissolution dates etc i 0:17:59.520,0:18:03.360
have some speculations but 0:18:01.919,0:18:05.840
they would be just that and i'm not 0:18:03.360,0:18:07.520
trying to get sued but what i can say 0:18:05.840,0:18:09.360
is that when he first started this 0:18:07.520,0:18:11.600
company jeff invited 0:18:09.360,0:18:13.440
one of his wife barbara's brothers 0:18:11.600,0:18:14.000
richard beach to get in on the ground 0:18:13.440,0:18:16.400
floor and 0:18:14.000,0:18:17.440
work with him at road track and it was 0:18:16.400,0:18:19.679
shortly after 0:18:17.440,0:18:22.080
he agreed to jump on board that richard 0:18:19.679,0:18:25.919
noticed certain things just didn't add 0:18:22.080,0:18:28.080
up richard said in the documentary quote 0:18:25.919,0:18:30.080
he would give me stories we were trying 0:18:28.080,0:18:32.320
to get people to invest money and 0:18:30.080,0:18:34.080
crazy stories like put a million in and 0:18:32.320,0:18:35.919
six months later we'd have 10 million 0:18:34.080,0:18:36.880
dollars out and we'd all be making a ton 0:18:35.919,0:18:39.360
of money and 0:18:36.880,0:18:41.520
i just didn't understand it i made the 0:18:39.360,0:18:44.480
decision that if it doesn't sound right 0:18:41.520,0:18:46.640
it's probably not right end quote 0:18:44.480,0:18:48.320
richard claims that he sort of voiced 0:18:46.640,0:18:50.400
his concerns to jeffrey and 0:18:48.320,0:18:51.840
questioned things and from that moment 0:18:50.400,0:18:53.200
on he was pretty much out 0:18:51.840,0:18:55.120
one day when jeffrey was out of the 0:18:53.200,0:18:55.760
country he called richard up and he was 0:18:55.120,0:18:58.000
like 0:18:55.760,0:18:59.039
you know sorry man it's just not working 0:18:58.000,0:19:02.000
out like 0:18:59.039,0:19:03.360
you're not working for me anymore bye so 0:19:02.000,0:19:03.919
after getting fired from southern 0:19:03.360,0:19:06.000
electric 0:19:03.919,0:19:07.120
and kind of uh you know starting his own 0:19:06.000,0:19:08.640
businesses and things 0:19:07.120,0:19:11.840
not only did jeffrey hamburg appear to 0:19:08.640,0:19:14.720
be more i guess sketchy in general but 0:19:11.840,0:19:16.720
he just wasn't around anymore family 0:19:14.720,0:19:17.760
members would visit barbara and she was 0:19:16.720,0:19:20.000
always alone 0:19:17.760,0:19:22.400
jeff would go and travel for work or 0:19:20.000,0:19:25.440
whatever and he just wouldn't come back 0:19:22.400,0:19:27.120
he essentially abandoned her and she was 0:19:25.440,0:19:29.280
left feeling like a single mother 0:19:27.120,0:19:30.400
so she finally made the difficult 0:19:29.280,0:19:33.679
decision to 0:19:30.400,0:19:36.480
file for divorce and um this 0:19:33.679,0:19:38.080
kind of seems strange because they they 0:19:36.480,0:19:40.720
lived in atlanta so the divorce 0:19:38.080,0:19:41.600
went through in atlanta in 2002 but it 0:19:40.720,0:19:44.880
was made official 0:19:41.600,0:19:47.280
in connecticut in 2005 0:19:44.880,0:19:49.120
but this was not in easy you know let's 0:19:47.280,0:19:51.760
part ways and try to keep it civil 0:19:49.120,0:19:52.640
sort of separation in court paperwork 0:19:51.760,0:19:54.559
that i read 0:19:52.640,0:19:55.760
it appears that once they went their 0:19:54.559,0:19:58.160
separate ways 0:19:55.760,0:19:59.039
jeffrey had agreed in court to pay 0:19:58.160,0:20:01.520
alimony 0:19:59.039,0:20:03.679
child support and also to put money into 0:20:01.520,0:20:07.120
education accounts for both madison and 0:20:03.679,0:20:07.360
ali his kids so this first document that 0:20:07.120,0:20:10.799
i 0:20:07.360,0:20:11.200
examined is hamburg v hamburg decided 0:20:10.799,0:20:14.240
march 0:20:11.200,0:20:16.720
6th of 2009 by the connecticut superior 0:20:14.240,0:20:18.640
court judicial system of new haven 0:20:16.720,0:20:20.240
now it states that the parties who in 0:20:18.640,0:20:21.120
this case were barbara and jeffrey 0:20:20.240,0:20:23.760
hamburg 0:20:21.120,0:20:25.039
appeared before the court on december 24 0:20:23.760,0:20:28.559
2008 0:20:25.039,0:20:29.039
january 14 2009 and again on february 0:20:28.559,0:20:31.840
2nd 0:20:29.039,0:20:34.400
2009 for evidentiary hearings during 0:20:31.840,0:20:35.760
which both parties testified and offered 0:20:34.400,0:20:38.240
exhibits into evidence 0:20:35.760,0:20:39.039
so we have the plaintiff's motion for 0:20:38.240,0:20:40.720
contempt 0:20:39.039,0:20:43.120
and the plaintiff in this case was 0:20:40.720,0:20:46.159
barbara hamburg so this document 0:20:43.120,0:20:48.000
says that a final judgment and decree of 0:20:46.159,0:20:51.200
divorce was entered on september 0:20:48.000,0:20:53.360
5th 2002 in the state of georgia and was 0:20:51.200,0:20:56.240
filed in the new haven court 0:20:53.360,0:20:58.640
as a foreign matrimonial on april 5th 0:20:56.240,0:21:01.600
2005 and from what i can tell 0:20:58.640,0:21:03.200
a foreign matrimonial means in this case 0:21:01.600,0:21:04.559
you got divorced in georgia 0:21:03.200,0:21:06.240
and you'd made agreements with each 0:21:04.559,0:21:06.559
other legally in georgia but now you 0:21:06.240,0:21:09.120
live 0:21:06.559,0:21:11.039
in a different state and you have to now 0:21:09.120,0:21:12.640
honor the agreements made in georgia in 0:21:11.039,0:21:13.679
this new state now that's what i got 0:21:12.640,0:21:15.679
from it but if there's 0:21:13.679,0:21:16.880
any lawyers or law experts out there 0:21:15.679,0:21:17.360
watching let me know if i'm right or 0:21:16.880,0:21:20.480
wrong 0:21:17.360,0:21:21.840
anyways now barbara was claiming that 0:21:20.480,0:21:24.320
jeffrey was not obeying 0:21:21.840,0:21:26.000
the original court order from georgia 0:21:24.320,0:21:27.360
and he'd failed to make child support 0:21:26.000,0:21:29.280
payments for his two 0:21:27.360,0:21:30.960
minor children and the amount he was 0:21:29.280,0:21:31.760
supposed to pay was two thousand dollars 0:21:30.960,0:21:34.320
a month 0:21:31.760,0:21:35.600
um a thousand for each child and he 0:21:34.320,0:21:38.960
hadn't been making these payments 0:21:35.600,0:21:40.640
since september 1st 2008. jeffrey 0:21:38.960,0:21:42.159
responded to this and said 0:21:40.640,0:21:44.080
he wasn't making the child's port 0:21:42.159,0:21:46.240
payments because instead 0:21:44.080,0:21:47.200
he and barbara had agreed that he would 0:21:46.240,0:21:49.440
pay her share 0:21:47.200,0:21:51.360
of the mortgage on their marital home 0:21:49.440,0:21:52.480
but barbara claims that this had not 0:21:51.360,0:21:54.880
been a long-term 0:21:52.480,0:21:56.880
agreement they had agreed that the child 0:21:54.880,0:22:00.480
support should go towards the mortgage 0:21:56.880,0:22:02.799
just one month which was april of 2007 0:22:00.480,0:22:05.280
and jeffrey was unable to provide any 0:22:02.799,0:22:07.120
proof or documentation that showed 0:22:05.280,0:22:08.799
he and barbara had come to a mutual 0:22:07.120,0:22:09.520
understanding that this would be the 0:22:08.799,0:22:12.159
case for 0:22:09.520,0:22:14.080
any other month in fact the court found 0:22:12.159,0:22:16.720
that jeffrey had not been paying child 0:22:14.080,0:22:18.320
support since april of 2007 0:22:16.720,0:22:20.240
and they found in barbara's favor 0:22:18.320,0:22:22.880
ordering him to pay 32 0:22:20.240,0:22:24.400
thousand dollars in back child support 0:22:22.880,0:22:25.600
there's also proof that jeffrey 0:22:24.400,0:22:28.240
submitted in court 0:22:25.600,0:22:29.679
an email from barbara dated april 27 0:22:28.240,0:22:31.280
2007 0:22:29.679,0:22:32.960
telling him to take her share of the 0:22:31.280,0:22:34.320
mortgage payment out of the child 0:22:32.960,0:22:37.360
support but 0:22:34.320,0:22:38.960
even so it appears that the mortgage was 0:22:37.360,0:22:40.240
still not getting paid and the house 0:22:38.960,0:22:43.360
went into foreclosure 0:22:40.240,0:22:45.039
in september of 2007. ultimately that 0:22:43.360,0:22:47.440
foreclosure was withdrawn and the house 0:22:45.039,0:22:50.559
was sold in october of 2007. 0:22:47.440,0:22:54.159
so the court told jeffrey hamburg 0:22:50.559,0:22:54.720
he had to pay barbara 16 000 on or 0:22:54.159,0:22:57.919
before 0:22:54.720,0:23:00.400
march 31st 2009 and then one 0:22:57.919,0:23:02.080
thousand dollars additional a month on 0:23:00.400,0:23:03.679
top of the 2000 0:23:02.080,0:23:05.840
that he was already paying for child 0:23:03.679,0:23:06.559
support until his back support was up to 0:23:05.840,0:23:09.280
date 0:23:06.559,0:23:10.320
and the court pointed out the fact that 0:23:09.280,0:23:13.159
jeffrey hamburg 0:23:10.320,0:23:15.039
was able to pay this since he was making 0:23:13.159,0:23:17.760
136 000 0:23:15.039,0:23:18.400
a year in income well then jeff filed 0:23:17.760,0:23:20.640
his own 0:23:18.400,0:23:22.880
motion of contempt against barbara 0:23:20.640,0:23:24.880
claiming she'd failed to pay reimbursed 0:23:22.880,0:23:25.440
medical expenses and her half of the 0:23:24.880,0:23:27.679
mortgage 0:23:25.440,0:23:29.039
as well as other expenses related to the 0:23:27.679,0:23:30.880
sale of their home 0:23:29.039,0:23:32.480
but the court claimed that jeffrey 0:23:30.880,0:23:36.159
provided no proof of this 0:23:32.480,0:23:38.559
so his motion was denied next jeffrey 0:23:36.159,0:23:39.840
hamburg filed a motion for modification 0:23:38.559,0:23:42.559
of the child support 0:23:39.840,0:23:44.080
claiming his financial situation had 0:23:42.559,0:23:46.720
changed for the worst 0:23:44.080,0:23:47.279
now apparently according to the hartford 0:23:46.720,0:23:49.679
current 0:23:47.279,0:23:51.679
jeffrey had been employed in recent 0:23:49.679,0:23:53.200
years and he was living in new york city 0:23:51.679,0:23:55.520
but he claimed that 0:23:53.200,0:23:57.279
he hadn't been getting paid as much like 0:23:55.520,0:24:00.000
as far as a salary goes 0:23:57.279,0:24:01.200
and instead his employer or the business 0:24:00.000,0:24:03.039
he was working for 0:24:01.200,0:24:04.400
was sort of taking care of his living 0:24:03.039,0:24:06.480
expenses such as 0:24:04.400,0:24:07.919
the fifth avenue apartment he was living 0:24:06.480,0:24:11.279
in as well as sending him on 0:24:07.919,0:24:13.840
overseas trips well the court found 0:24:11.279,0:24:15.919
despite jeff's sworn financial affidavit 0:24:13.840,0:24:17.360
that his income had decreased 0:24:15.919,0:24:18.960
that the evidence presented at the 0:24:17.360,0:24:19.360
hearing actually showed that his income 0:24:18.960,0:24:22.400
had 0:24:19.360,0:24:23.840
increased therefore he failed to prove a 0:24:22.400,0:24:25.200
substantial change of income 0:24:23.840,0:24:26.880
that would allow his child support 0:24:25.200,0:24:29.440
payments to be lowered it says 0:24:26.880,0:24:31.760
that jeffrey's own testimony revealed 0:24:29.440,0:24:34.880
that he was earning approximately 0:24:31.760,0:24:37.600
110 to 115 000 0:24:34.880,0:24:38.240
a year and he'd actually received a 25 0:24:37.600,0:24:41.520
000 0:24:38.240,0:24:44.080
bonus in 2008 so um 0:24:41.520,0:24:45.840
it just didn't work out for him so at 0:24:44.080,0:24:47.520
this point both of jeffrey hamburg's 0:24:45.840,0:24:49.360
motions have been denied 0:24:47.520,0:24:50.720
and he has to pay you know this this 0:24:49.360,0:24:52.880
pretty big sum of money 0:24:50.720,0:24:54.320
sixteen thousand dollars and his child 0:24:52.880,0:24:56.400
support is actually going 0:24:54.320,0:24:58.240
up one thousand dollars a month until he 0:24:56.400,0:25:00.720
gets his back support paid 0:24:58.240,0:25:02.720
and he's probably not too happy about it 0:25:00.720,0:25:05.679
and then barbara files another 0:25:02.720,0:25:06.720
motion for contempt claiming that her 0:25:05.679,0:25:08.880
ex-husband jeff 0:25:06.720,0:25:10.480
hasn't been paying educational and 0:25:08.880,0:25:13.120
medical expenses for their children 0:25:10.480,0:25:15.600
which he was allegedly supposed to do 0:25:13.120,0:25:17.760
now the court couldn't find any like 0:25:15.600,0:25:19.840
proof or evidence that they'd agreed 0:25:17.760,0:25:22.320
that he was going to do this so they 0:25:19.840,0:25:24.320
referred this matter to family relations 0:25:22.320,0:25:25.840
for mediation hoping that barbara and 0:25:24.320,0:25:27.360
jeffrey could come to an agreement 0:25:25.840,0:25:28.320
regarding their children's health and 0:25:27.360,0:25:30.159
education 0:25:28.320,0:25:32.960
and if they could not reach an agreement 0:25:30.159,0:25:35.200
it would go to arbitration so i suppose 0:25:32.960,0:25:36.640
this was a small win for jeffrey but 0:25:35.200,0:25:39.279
overall he's probably pissed 0:25:36.640,0:25:39.840
right allegedly okay so now i'm moving 0:25:39.279,0:25:44.000
on to 0:25:39.840,0:25:45.600
hamburg v hamburg dated june 5th 2018 0:25:44.000,0:25:47.440
heard by the connecticut court of 0:25:45.600,0:25:49.600
appeals and this 0:25:47.440,0:25:50.960
tells us the outcome of the mediation 0:25:49.600,0:25:53.120
with family relations 0:25:50.960,0:25:55.360
apparently jeffrey and barbara had 0:25:53.120,0:25:57.120
agreed that they would each have 0:25:55.360,0:25:58.880
separate education accounts i believe 0:25:57.120,0:26:00.960
they're called custodial accounts 0:25:58.880,0:26:02.960
for their children but the money in 0:26:00.960,0:26:05.120
these accounts could only be used 0:26:02.960,0:26:07.440
for the educational expenses of the 0:26:05.120,0:26:09.520
children jeffrey would not be allowed to 0:26:07.440,0:26:11.120
utilize the accounts to fulfill his 0:26:09.520,0:26:13.120
child support obligation 0:26:11.120,0:26:14.240
or to you know use it personally for 0:26:13.120,0:26:16.320
himself and 0:26:14.240,0:26:17.360
each party would have to provide a copy 0:26:16.320,0:26:19.279
of statements for 0:26:17.360,0:26:21.440
all custodial accounts that they were in 0:26:19.279,0:26:23.360
charge of to the other person so like 0:26:21.440,0:26:24.640
i can show you that i'm putting money in 0:26:23.360,0:26:26.720
like i'm supposed to be and i can show 0:26:24.640,0:26:29.120
you that i'm not taking money out 0:26:26.720,0:26:30.080
like i'm not supposed to be on may 14 0:26:29.120,0:26:31.840
2009 0:26:30.080,0:26:33.520
jeffrey was ordered to provide seven 0:26:31.840,0:26:35.520
years worth of bank statements 0:26:33.520,0:26:36.799
for the custodial accounts that were in 0:26:35.520,0:26:39.279
his name but 0:26:36.799,0:26:41.200
he didn't so the following month he was 0:26:39.279,0:26:43.039
found in contempt of court orders 0:26:41.200,0:26:45.200
not only for failing to produce the 0:26:43.039,0:26:47.200
statements but also for once again 0:26:45.200,0:26:48.240
failing to pay child support both 0:26:47.200,0:26:52.000
current and 0:26:48.240,0:26:55.120
back during a hearing on june 4th 2009 0:26:52.000,0:26:58.559
the judge heard evidence that in 2005 0:26:55.120,0:27:00.880
there had been 150 000 dollars 0:26:58.559,0:27:02.240
in the account of each child madison and 0:27:00.880,0:27:04.799
ali's accounts 0:27:02.240,0:27:05.679
and on the date of this hearing jeffrey 0:27:04.799,0:27:09.440
testified 0:27:05.679,0:27:10.000
that only 10 500 remained in madison's 0:27:09.440,0:27:13.360
account 0:27:10.000,0:27:16.000
and only 23 000 was left in alleys 0:27:13.360,0:27:16.880
jeffrey also admitted that he had used 0:27:16.000,0:27:19.279
these funds 0:27:16.880,0:27:20.320
for his own use and he was again found 0:27:19.279,0:27:22.320
in contempt 0:27:20.320,0:27:24.880
and ordered to be incarcerated until he 0:27:22.320,0:27:28.399
paid eight thousand dollars to purge 0:27:24.880,0:27:30.159
the contempt on december 23 2009 0:27:28.399,0:27:32.240
jeffrey appeared in court again and he 0:27:30.159,0:27:33.440
was again ordered to make payments on 0:27:32.240,0:27:35.520
the back child support 0:27:33.440,0:27:37.760
according to a court-ordered schedule 0:27:35.520,0:27:38.240
and he'd also be required to return to 0:27:37.760,0:27:39.840
court 0:27:38.240,0:27:41.440
periodically from time to time so they 0:27:39.840,0:27:43.039
could monitor his compliance with his 0:27:41.440,0:27:44.000
new order make sure he was doing what 0:27:43.039,0:27:45.440
he's supposed to be doing because 0:27:44.000,0:27:46.159
clearly he has a problem doing what he's 0:27:45.440,0:27:47.919
supposed to be doing 0:27:46.159,0:27:49.440
jeffrey hamburg invoked his right to 0:27:47.919,0:27:50.960
remain silent at this time 0:27:49.440,0:27:52.880
on the subject of his children's 0:27:50.960,0:27:53.840
education funds because his lawyer was 0:27:52.880,0:27:56.720
probably like 0:27:53.840,0:27:58.399
why did you admit before to having 0:27:56.720,0:27:59.440
drained your kids education accounts 0:27:58.399,0:27:59.840
which you weren't supposed to do and 0:27:59.440,0:28:01.440
then 0:27:59.840,0:28:03.120
using the money for yourself like why 0:28:01.440,0:28:04.799
would you admit to that so 0:28:03.120,0:28:06.080
you're just gonna remain silent from now 0:28:04.799,0:28:06.799
on that's just my opinion on what 0:28:06.080,0:28:09.039
happened but 0:28:06.799,0:28:10.799
i expect that is exactly what happened 0:28:09.039,0:28:11.440
and when jeffrey returned to court the 0:28:10.799,0:28:14.559
following 0:28:11.440,0:28:17.840
february he chose to remain silent again 0:28:14.559,0:28:20.159
however the court did find that jeffrey 0:28:17.840,0:28:21.440
still had the means to pay the money he 0:28:20.159,0:28:23.760
was not paying 0:28:21.440,0:28:24.480
and they found him in contempt again 0:28:23.760,0:28:26.559
willful 0:28:24.480,0:28:28.399
contempt this time which sounds so much 0:28:26.559,0:28:32.159
more serious and i want to point out 0:28:28.399,0:28:34.399
in september of 2010 jeffrey hamburg was 0:28:32.159,0:28:35.440
arrested by madison police on a charge 0:28:34.399,0:28:37.360
of first degree 0:28:35.440,0:28:39.600
larceny for stealing money from his 0:28:37.360,0:28:42.080
daughter ali's education account 0:28:39.600,0:28:43.279
he was put in jail and he posted a 50 0:28:42.080,0:28:45.520
thousand dollar bill 0:28:43.279,0:28:46.559
this morning hamburg was arrested and 0:28:45.520,0:28:48.720
charged with first 0:28:46.559,0:28:50.080
degree larceny it has to do with a 0:28:48.720,0:28:51.200
custodial account where he was 0:28:50.080,0:28:53.039
withdrawing money from it 0:28:51.200,0:28:55.200
according to the affidavit hamburg's 0:28:53.039,0:28:56.080
daughter named after her mother barbara 0:28:55.200,0:28:58.240
hamburg 0:28:56.080,0:29:00.080
filed a complaint about depleted funds 0:28:58.240,0:29:03.120
held in her custodial account 0:29:00.080,0:29:04.640
84 thousand dollars to be exact it was 0:29:03.120,0:29:07.919
to be used solely for her 0:29:04.640,0:29:09.520
education in june 2010 when jeffrey 0:29:07.919,0:29:11.679
hamburg appeared in court 0:29:09.520,0:29:14.159
he was at least one million dollars in 0:29:11.679,0:29:16.080
debt the judge told him to get a job 0:29:14.159,0:29:17.919
and pay back the money i think he's 0:29:16.080,0:29:20.320
working i i'm not 0:29:17.919,0:29:21.039
exactly sure but i do know that uh you 0:29:20.320,0:29:23.039
know this 0:29:21.039,0:29:24.080
was very this whole trauma of being a 0:29:23.039,0:29:26.559
suspect 0:29:24.080,0:29:28.640
uh in the death of his wife beginning in 0:29:26.559,0:29:30.240
march of 2010 has been extremely 0:29:28.640,0:29:31.600
traumatic for him and extremely 0:29:30.240,0:29:33.840
expensive so 0:29:31.600,0:29:36.080
it does not surprise me that he's short 0:29:33.840,0:29:37.840
of funds hamburg was released on a 50 0:29:36.080,0:29:41.120
thousand dollar cash bond 0:29:37.840,0:29:42.720
that 50 000 struck me as being unusually 0:29:41.120,0:29:44.399
high for a larceny case 0:29:42.720,0:29:46.080
he also said he hoped it wasn't 0:29:44.399,0:29:48.480
retaliation or quote 0:29:46.080,0:29:50.159
sour grapes over the fact they couldn't 0:29:48.480,0:29:53.200
pin a murder on hamburg 0:29:50.159,0:29:55.360
so i mean he clearly had money 0:29:53.200,0:29:57.200
at this point if he had five thousand 0:29:55.360,0:29:58.720
dollars to use to post bail to get him 0:29:57.200,0:30:00.799
out of jail for not paying child support 0:29:58.720,0:30:03.600
if he had eight thousand dollars to 0:30:00.799,0:30:05.039
pay to uh purge the contempt but he 0:30:03.600,0:30:06.880
didn't have this money to actually pay 0:30:05.039,0:30:08.960
his court-ordered child support 0:30:06.880,0:30:10.320
but that's just my opinion and the 0:30:08.960,0:30:12.480
courts as well 0:30:10.320,0:30:14.080
so at this point we're talking about a 0:30:12.480,0:30:16.000
lot of money on the line right 0:30:14.080,0:30:17.360
money drained from the kids accounts 0:30:16.000,0:30:19.760
money owed for 0:30:17.360,0:30:21.679
years of non-payment of child support 0:30:19.760,0:30:22.000
they give a little list of what jeffrey 0:30:21.679,0:30:25.039
owed 0:30:22.000,0:30:25.679
barbara and these legal documents and it 0:30:25.039,0:30:28.799
is as 0:30:25.679,0:30:31.840
follows 324 0:30:28.799,0:30:35.039
000 dollars plus 4 interest 0:30:31.840,0:30:37.760
per year until paid in full 30 000 0:30:35.039,0:30:38.640
in back child support thirty thousand in 0:30:37.760,0:30:41.360
attorney fees 0:30:38.640,0:30:41.919
and court costs twenty five thousand 0:30:41.360,0:30:44.640
towards 0:30:41.919,0:30:46.159
unreimbursed medical expenses and health 0:30:44.640,0:30:47.840
related expenses 0:30:46.159,0:30:49.279
twenty five thousand dollars towards 0:30:47.840,0:30:51.360
madison's tuition 0:30:49.279,0:30:52.720
which would be due the following january 0:30:51.360,0:30:55.840
2010 0:30:52.720,0:30:58.480
41 000 for educational expenses 0:30:55.840,0:31:00.960
that barbara had paid for but jeffrey 0:30:58.480,0:31:03.279
was responsible for paying her back for 0:31:00.960,0:31:04.000
and it pretty much says that even if 0:31:03.279,0:31:06.159
jeffrey were to 0:31:04.000,0:31:08.159
declare a bankruptcy it wouldn't matter 0:31:06.159,0:31:10.240
he'd still have to pay this 0:31:08.159,0:31:11.760
so the next time they were due back in 0:31:10.240,0:31:14.880
court was march 3rd 0:31:11.760,0:31:15.600
2010 and barbara's lawyer richard 0:31:14.880,0:31:18.080
callahan 0:31:15.600,0:31:19.200
said in the documentary that jeffrey had 0:31:18.080,0:31:21.039
been ordered 0:31:19.200,0:31:22.960
and had promised to make certain 0:31:21.039,0:31:24.720
payments on this date 0:31:22.960,0:31:26.080
and he would either show up with the 0:31:24.720,0:31:27.919
money on march 3rd or 0:31:26.080,0:31:29.600
callahan would be asking the court to 0:31:27.919,0:31:32.559
once again find him 0:31:29.600,0:31:33.760
in contempt of court orders and he would 0:31:32.559,0:31:34.640
also be asking for him to be 0:31:33.760,0:31:37.039
incarcerated 0:31:34.640,0:31:38.320
until he paid the money but callahan 0:31:37.039,0:31:40.480
barbara's lawyer 0:31:38.320,0:31:41.760
never got the chance to do this because 0:31:40.480,0:31:44.000
although jeffrey 0:31:41.760,0:31:45.919
and his lawyer showed up to the court 0:31:44.000,0:31:47.679
and richard callahan showed up to the 0:31:45.919,0:31:50.240
courthouse in new haven 0:31:47.679,0:31:51.840
barbara never did she would be brutally 0:31:50.240,0:31:54.880
murdered that morning 0:31:51.840,0:31:56.240
so let's go to that morning march 3rd 0:31:54.880,0:31:59.039
2010. 0:31:56.240,0:31:59.679
at this time madison was not living at 0:31:59.039,0:32:01.519
home 0:31:59.679,0:32:02.799
because remember he's struggling with 0:32:01.519,0:32:05.200
drug addiction but 0:32:02.799,0:32:07.519
he was also 18 at this time so i believe 0:32:05.200,0:32:09.039
he was already attending college hence 0:32:07.519,0:32:12.240
the tuition that was due for him 0:32:09.039,0:32:13.039
the previous january ally was living 0:32:12.240,0:32:15.760
with her mother 0:32:13.039,0:32:18.000
at a rented house at 44 middle beach 0:32:15.760,0:32:20.480
road in madison connecticut 0:32:18.000,0:32:22.240
now ally would have been 16 years old at 0:32:20.480,0:32:22.880
this time and still attending high 0:32:22.240,0:32:25.039
school 0:32:22.880,0:32:26.080
but another layer to this whole 0:32:25.039,0:32:28.640
situation 0:32:26.080,0:32:29.600
was ali's relationship with her mother 0:32:28.640,0:32:32.080
at the time 0:32:29.600,0:32:34.399
in the documentary madison and ellie 0:32:32.080,0:32:36.080
talk about their parents relationship 0:32:34.399,0:32:38.320
and you know their own relationships 0:32:36.080,0:32:41.440
with each other and their parents 0:32:38.320,0:32:43.519
both madison and ali described their 0:32:41.440,0:32:45.039
father jeff as very controlling this 0:32:43.519,0:32:47.120
word popped up a lot 0:32:45.039,0:32:48.320
from multiple people but especially from 0:32:47.120,0:32:51.679
his own kids 0:32:48.320,0:32:53.600
controlling manipulative and selfish 0:32:51.679,0:32:55.840
ellie said she remembered her parents 0:32:53.600,0:32:57.840
fighting a lot you know constantly 0:32:55.840,0:32:59.440
screaming in the house at each other 0:32:57.840,0:33:00.880
to the point where she believes it 0:32:59.440,0:33:03.200
scarred her and 0:33:00.880,0:33:04.640
to this day when people raise their 0:33:03.200,0:33:06.080
voices or yell at each other 0:33:04.640,0:33:08.000
it triggers something in her and she 0:33:06.080,0:33:09.120
feels very uncomfortable this is 0:33:08.000,0:33:10.480
actually quite common 0:33:09.120,0:33:12.720
children who witness their parents 0:33:10.480,0:33:14.720
fighting a lot especially when it turns 0:33:12.720,0:33:15.440
to screaming matches and insults being 0:33:14.720,0:33:18.240
hurled 0:33:15.440,0:33:19.200
they can suffer long-term mental health 0:33:18.240,0:33:22.399
effects 0:33:19.200,0:33:23.760
in 2012 a study published in the journal 0:33:22.399,0:33:25.679
child development showed that 0:33:23.760,0:33:26.159
kindergarteners who had parents that 0:33:25.679,0:33:28.640
fought 0:33:26.159,0:33:30.159
meanly and frequently were more likely 0:33:28.640,0:33:32.240
to experience depression 0:33:30.159,0:33:34.000
anxiety and behavioral issues by the 0:33:32.240,0:33:36.159
time they were in seventh grade 0:33:34.000,0:33:38.159
these children had more difficulty 0:33:36.159,0:33:38.880
regulating their emotions and their 0:33:38.159,0:33:40.720
attention 0:33:38.880,0:33:42.240
and children such as this may also have 0:33:40.720,0:33:44.559
trouble maintaining healthy 0:33:42.240,0:33:45.760
relationships as adults they can develop 0:33:44.559,0:33:48.880
eating disorders 0:33:45.760,0:33:50.640
and other physical representations of 0:33:48.880,0:33:52.640
the stress that they're under such as 0:33:50.640,0:33:55.039
health problems add to that 0:33:52.640,0:33:56.080
one or more very controlling parents 0:33:55.039,0:33:58.640
like jeff hamburg 0:33:56.080,0:34:00.640
and it is a recipe for disaster ellie 0:33:58.640,0:34:02.640
remembered in the documentary that their 0:34:00.640,0:34:04.000
parents told them on christmas eve that 0:34:02.640,0:34:06.320
they were getting divorced and she 0:34:04.000,0:34:08.240
doesn't clarify what year this was but 0:34:06.320,0:34:09.760
that's a pretty shitty time to let your 0:34:08.240,0:34:11.359
kids know that their world's about to 0:34:09.760,0:34:12.000
completely change whether they're 8 or 0:34:11.359,0:34:13.760
18. 0:34:12.000,0:34:15.119
it's still nothing that you know kids 0:34:13.760,0:34:16.000
want to hear at any time of the year 0:34:15.119,0:34:18.399
much less on 0:34:16.000,0:34:19.760
on christmas that's just my opinion but 0:34:18.399,0:34:20.320
i personally would have probably waited 0:34:19.760,0:34:22.639
or 0:34:20.320,0:34:23.679
you know done it before or after this i 0:34:22.639,0:34:25.839
don't know but 0:34:23.679,0:34:26.960
ally remembered afterwards being in her 0:34:25.839,0:34:29.440
room with her mother 0:34:26.960,0:34:30.960
who was crying and barbara looked at her 0:34:29.440,0:34:33.839
and told her quote 0:34:30.960,0:34:36.079
don't ever depend on a man and i think 0:34:33.839,0:34:37.839
that this is a very normal realization 0:34:36.079,0:34:39.520
that a lot of women come to 0:34:37.839,0:34:42.720
on the verge of a separation or a 0:34:39.520,0:34:44.960
divorce in the podcast that i co-host 0:34:42.720,0:34:46.320
crime weekly with derek levasseur we 0:34:44.960,0:34:47.520
recently just covered the jennifer 0:34:46.320,0:34:49.839
doulos case 0:34:47.520,0:34:51.359
and i noted that jennifer deulos's 0:34:49.839,0:34:54.320
situation was a lot 0:34:51.359,0:34:56.079
different than most women in her shoes 0:34:54.320,0:34:57.200
it's pretty typical when you get married 0:34:56.079,0:34:58.800
as a woman 0:34:57.200,0:35:00.560
and you begin having children that you 0:34:58.800,0:35:02.320
would pull back from your career 0:35:00.560,0:35:03.760
or your job at least at first so you can 0:35:02.320,0:35:05.359
be with the kids more you know raise 0:35:03.760,0:35:06.960
them especially if your husband 0:35:05.359,0:35:09.280
is making a crap ton of money like 0:35:06.960,0:35:10.000
jeffrey hamburg was you feel safe you 0:35:09.280,0:35:12.480
know at that 0:35:10.000,0:35:13.200
at that point being in love feeling that 0:35:12.480,0:35:14.960
someone is 0:35:13.200,0:35:17.760
protecting you and will do so at all 0:35:14.960,0:35:19.760
costs and you don't feel that it's as 0:35:17.760,0:35:21.680
necessary right to make your own money 0:35:19.760,0:35:22.800
and you'd prefer sometimes to stay home 0:35:21.680,0:35:25.040
and raise the kids 0:35:22.800,0:35:26.560
but then when something goes wrong you 0:35:25.040,0:35:29.200
find yourself between a rock 0:35:26.560,0:35:30.079
and a hard place now suddenly you have 0:35:29.200,0:35:33.359
no job 0:35:30.079,0:35:35.440
no job experience no money of your own 0:35:33.359,0:35:37.839
and this can sometimes cause a lot of 0:35:35.440,0:35:38.960
women to stay in unhealthy relationships 0:35:37.839,0:35:41.680
because they don't know 0:35:38.960,0:35:42.000
how they will survive outside of it you 0:35:41.680,0:35:43.680
know 0:35:42.000,0:35:45.440
you've been taking care of the kids in 0:35:43.680,0:35:47.119
the household for years making sure 0:35:45.440,0:35:48.720
everyone's fed and dressed that school 0:35:47.119,0:35:51.599
projects are completed that 0:35:48.720,0:35:53.359
sports practices are attended etc while 0:35:51.599,0:35:55.839
your husband was out in the world 0:35:53.359,0:35:57.280
yes being the main breadwinner which is 0:35:55.839,0:35:59.520
great but also 0:35:57.280,0:36:01.280
rising through the ranks in his career 0:35:59.520,0:36:03.599
gaining valuable experience and 0:36:01.280,0:36:06.240
connections in the professional world 0:36:03.599,0:36:08.079
and when you leave him or he leaves you 0:36:06.240,0:36:10.320
he can just refuse to support you 0:36:08.079,0:36:11.599
like jeff hamburg seems to have done and 0:36:10.320,0:36:12.960
there's not really much you can do about 0:36:11.599,0:36:15.359
it besides endless 0:36:12.960,0:36:16.160
court dates and endless legal fees and 0:36:15.359,0:36:18.880
endless 0:36:16.160,0:36:19.520
stress now ellie did describe her mother 0:36:18.880,0:36:23.119
barbara 0:36:19.520,0:36:25.280
as loving warm a great mom 0:36:23.119,0:36:28.000
but she had the tendency to drink 0:36:25.280,0:36:29.920
barbara was an alcoholic like her father 0:36:28.000,0:36:32.560
like her grandmother and like her sister 0:36:29.920,0:36:33.839
conway who we will talk about in more 0:36:32.560,0:36:36.000
detail soon 0:36:33.839,0:36:37.839
ellie remembered that barbara always had 0:36:36.000,0:36:39.280
a cup of water with her that she was 0:36:37.839,0:36:41.920
constantly drinking out of 0:36:39.280,0:36:43.839
and one day ali took a sip from this cup 0:36:41.920,0:36:44.160
and discovered that it wasn't water at 0:36:43.839,0:36:47.680
all 0:36:44.160,0:36:49.760
it was pure vodka now for a time madison 0:36:47.680,0:36:51.839
remained with his mother after the 0:36:49.760,0:36:54.079
divorce but ali went to live with 0:36:51.839,0:36:55.440
jeff at some points and she thinks that 0:36:54.079,0:36:58.400
this is because 0:36:55.440,0:37:00.320
he manipulated her in a way and tried to 0:36:58.400,0:37:03.440
turn her against her mother 0:37:00.320,0:37:05.599
as a child it was confusing to her 0:37:03.440,0:37:06.720
now the timeline is a little unclear but 0:37:05.599,0:37:08.880
at some point 0:37:06.720,0:37:10.800
after the divorce ali was either living 0:37:08.880,0:37:12.320
with jeff full time or 0:37:10.800,0:37:13.920
staying with him quite a bit and 0:37:12.320,0:37:17.359
according to jill platt 0:37:13.920,0:37:20.000
who is ali and madison's great aunt jeff 0:37:17.359,0:37:21.119
hamburg was the worst as soon as ali got 0:37:20.000,0:37:22.880
home from school 0:37:21.119,0:37:24.720
he would make her work on her homework 0:37:22.880,0:37:26.720
for hours and when she was done he would 0:37:24.720,0:37:28.160
review it find what she'd missed or done 0:37:26.720,0:37:30.160
wrong and then make her 0:37:28.160,0:37:31.520
redo it so she'd be doing homework for 0:37:30.160,0:37:33.760
up to like six hours a day 0:37:31.520,0:37:35.440
after school and she had no real life 0:37:33.760,0:37:37.680
outside of that you know no sports or 0:37:35.440,0:37:39.760
social clubs or social life 0:37:37.680,0:37:41.440
and jeff felt at times that ali was 0:37:39.760,0:37:44.000
trying to shut him out so 0:37:41.440,0:37:45.359
he would take the door off her bedroom 0:37:44.000,0:37:48.160
basically giving her 0:37:45.359,0:37:49.359
no privacy whatsoever now when ellie was 0:37:48.160,0:37:51.359
in the seventh grade 0:37:49.359,0:37:52.560
she got very sick and she had to be 0:37:51.359,0:37:54.640
hospitalized 0:37:52.560,0:37:56.320
her thyroids were bulging out of her 0:37:54.640,0:37:58.400
neck so she couldn't eat 0:37:56.320,0:37:59.760
she says you know she forgot how to walk 0:37:58.400,0:38:01.920
she was very tired 0:37:59.760,0:38:03.440
very weak and she was in a hospital bed 0:38:01.920,0:38:05.440
for a month and a half 0:38:03.440,0:38:07.280
now it turned out that she was diagnosed 0:38:05.440,0:38:09.359
with graves disease which is an 0:38:07.280,0:38:12.079
autoimmune disorder that causes 0:38:09.359,0:38:13.359
an overactive thyroid ally says that the 0:38:12.079,0:38:15.920
doctors told her 0:38:13.359,0:38:17.440
some of her symptoms were as a result of 0:38:15.920,0:38:20.320
this condition but some of them 0:38:17.440,0:38:22.079
were mental due to stress and anxiety 0:38:20.320,0:38:23.920
and in the documentary 0:38:22.079,0:38:25.119
madison called his father and they 0:38:23.920,0:38:27.680
talked about ali 0:38:25.119,0:38:30.000
and jeff claimed that ali was also 0:38:27.680,0:38:30.960
diagnosed with borderline personality 0:38:30.000,0:38:33.040
disorder 0:38:30.960,0:38:34.960
and he claimed that this was the reason 0:38:33.040,0:38:35.599
why she would swing back and forth 0:38:34.960,0:38:37.920
between 0:38:35.599,0:38:40.560
loving him and hating him and then 0:38:37.920,0:38:43.920
loving her mom and hating her mom 0:38:40.560,0:38:46.480
but jeff also claimed that barbara was 0:38:43.920,0:38:47.920
not very nice to ally during this time 0:38:46.480,0:38:48.800
while she was you know going through so 0:38:47.920,0:38:50.400
much stress 0:38:48.800,0:38:53.119
he alleged in the documentary that 0:38:50.400,0:38:55.599
barbara was verbally abusive to ally 0:38:53.119,0:38:56.720
she slapped ally and even pushed her 0:38:55.599,0:38:59.359
down the stairs once 0:38:56.720,0:39:01.040
now it's worth noting that as far as i 0:38:59.359,0:39:01.920
can tell ellie herself has never 0:39:01.040,0:39:04.320
confirmed or 0:39:01.920,0:39:05.200
denied these things so it's very 0:39:04.320,0:39:07.520
possible 0:39:05.200,0:39:09.359
that they never happened also as far as 0:39:07.520,0:39:11.359
i can tell it's never actually been 0:39:09.359,0:39:12.640
confirmed whether or not ali was 0:39:11.359,0:39:14.560
diagnosed with 0:39:12.640,0:39:16.240
borderline personality disorder on top 0:39:14.560,0:39:18.480
of graves disease so 0:39:16.240,0:39:20.000
once again i don't want to assume that 0:39:18.480,0:39:21.760
what jeff is saying is true because we 0:39:20.000,0:39:24.320
have to understand that almost everyone 0:39:21.760,0:39:27.440
in this case at this point is a suspect 0:39:24.320,0:39:29.680
and he's talking about his dead wife 0:39:27.440,0:39:31.760
so after ellie was released from the 0:39:29.680,0:39:33.599
hospital she stayed with jeff for a 0:39:31.760,0:39:36.000
little while during which he claims 0:39:33.599,0:39:36.640
he took care of her and he got her 0:39:36.000,0:39:38.880
better 0:39:36.640,0:39:40.480
now ally attributes her positive change 0:39:38.880,0:39:43.040
to becoming more physically active 0:39:40.480,0:39:46.160
getting outside running swimming biking 0:39:43.040,0:39:48.400
but apparently during this time jeff 0:39:46.160,0:39:50.160
told ally that her mother barbara 0:39:48.400,0:39:52.560
was considering checking her into a 0:39:50.160,0:39:54.880
mental hospital and this really pissed 0:39:52.560,0:39:56.000
ally off and it made her angry towards 0:39:54.880,0:39:58.000
her mother to the point where she 0:39:56.000,0:39:59.920
didn't even you know want to talk to her 0:39:58.000,0:40:02.400
however life with jeff 0:39:59.920,0:40:03.520
was no walk in the park either and ali 0:40:02.400,0:40:05.920
admits that barbara 0:40:03.520,0:40:07.280
was the more lenient parent and after 0:40:05.920,0:40:09.839
the constant control 0:40:07.280,0:40:11.520
and lack of privacy eventually ally 0:40:09.839,0:40:13.040
called her mother up one day 0:40:11.520,0:40:14.960
and asked you know can i move back in 0:40:13.040,0:40:16.960
with you but at this time 0:40:14.960,0:40:19.040
according to conway beach barbara's 0:40:16.960,0:40:21.040
sister was also living with barbara at 0:40:19.040,0:40:24.079
this time after having brain surgery 0:40:21.040,0:40:26.640
ally was still fighting a lot of demons 0:40:24.079,0:40:27.680
conway said ali was constantly drinking 0:40:26.640,0:40:30.160
doing drugs 0:40:27.680,0:40:31.839
being promiscuous conway said every 0:40:30.160,0:40:34.000
morning she would wake up to ali 0:40:31.839,0:40:36.640
screaming at her mother telling her to f 0:40:34.000,0:40:38.000
off and when conway suggested to ellie 0:40:36.640,0:40:39.280
you know maybe you shouldn't speak to 0:40:38.000,0:40:41.920
your mother like that 0:40:39.280,0:40:43.359
ellie told her to f off too that was her 0:40:41.920,0:40:45.440
mother and she would talk to her any 0:40:43.359,0:40:47.680
effing way she wanted to 0:40:45.440,0:40:49.280
conway believed that because her sister 0:40:47.680,0:40:51.599
barbara had already 0:40:49.280,0:40:52.880
lost ali once she was terrified of it 0:40:51.599,0:40:55.200
happening again 0:40:52.880,0:40:56.079
and she maybe sort of turned a blind eye 0:40:55.200,0:40:58.079
to this behavior 0:40:56.079,0:41:00.800
becoming more of a friend to ali than a 0:40:58.079,0:41:02.319
mother not being strict in times when 0:41:00.800,0:41:04.480
she should have probably been laying 0:41:02.319,0:41:06.640
down the law and ali 0:41:04.480,0:41:07.920
knowing this took advantage and walked 0:41:06.640,0:41:10.079
all over barbara 0:41:07.920,0:41:11.760
so on the morning of barbara's murder 0:41:10.079,0:41:12.240
ellie claims she was running late to 0:41:11.760,0:41:14.319
school 0:41:12.240,0:41:15.839
she had to wake barbara up to drive her 0:41:14.319,0:41:18.160
into school which barbara did 0:41:15.839,0:41:20.319
still dressed in her pajamas on the way 0:41:18.160,0:41:22.560
to school they stopped at a coffee shop 0:41:20.319,0:41:23.040
called willoughby's located on boston 0:41:22.560,0:41:25.760
post 0:41:23.040,0:41:27.200
road and ally got a chai latte which she 0:41:25.760,0:41:29.599
really liked at the time 0:41:27.200,0:41:30.319
who doesn't they're delicious but after 0:41:29.599,0:41:32.640
this 0:41:30.319,0:41:34.240
barbara dropped her off at school and 0:41:32.640,0:41:36.640
then planned to return 0:41:34.240,0:41:39.520
home according to school records ellie 0:41:36.640,0:41:40.480
was checked in by her mother at 7 54 a.m 0:41:39.520,0:41:43.599
and she was marked 0:41:40.480,0:41:46.720
tardy now remember this same day 0:41:43.599,0:41:48.319
barbara is due in court at 9 30 a.m 0:41:46.720,0:41:50.560
so she should be going back home to get 0:41:48.319,0:41:52.880
dressed and get ready for court but 0:41:50.560,0:41:53.680
there's a little confusion here a friend 0:41:52.880,0:41:56.160
of barbara's 0:41:53.680,0:41:56.880
named nancy said that she'd spoken to 0:41:56.160,0:41:58.960
barbara 0:41:56.880,0:42:00.319
late on the evening of march 2nd which 0:41:58.960,0:42:02.640
was a tuesday the night before 0:42:00.319,0:42:03.760
court and during this conversation 0:42:02.640,0:42:06.720
barbara mentioned 0:42:03.760,0:42:07.680
that she had court the next day but not 0:42:06.720,0:42:10.000
at 9 30 0:42:07.680,0:42:10.800
at 2 pm and barbara said she thought 0:42:10.000,0:42:12.640
this was strange 0:42:10.800,0:42:14.880
because court would usually be in the 0:42:12.640,0:42:17.359
morning and this day it wasn't 0:42:14.880,0:42:19.599
later on the day of march 3rd after 0:42:17.359,0:42:20.880
barbara's body was found her sister 0:42:19.599,0:42:23.119
conway would also 0:42:20.880,0:42:25.280
tell police that barbara had told her 0:42:23.119,0:42:28.160
she needed to be a court at 2pm that day 0:42:25.280,0:42:29.440
and this is noted in the police files so 0:42:28.160,0:42:31.520
for some reason 0:42:29.440,0:42:33.839
barbara was under the impression that 0:42:31.520,0:42:34.400
court was not at 9 30 that morning but 0:42:33.839,0:42:36.640
at two 0:42:34.400,0:42:38.319
in the afternoon and as we know this was 0:42:36.640,0:42:40.000
never true since her lawyer her 0:42:38.319,0:42:41.680
ex-husband and his lawyer 0:42:40.000,0:42:43.280
were all waiting for her outside the 0:42:41.680,0:42:44.480
courthouse at 9 00 a.m that morning and 0:42:43.280,0:42:45.920
she never showed 0:42:44.480,0:42:48.000
and this will become very important 0:42:45.920,0:42:51.520
later so once 0:42:48.000,0:42:53.599
ali was at school she decided she didn't 0:42:51.520,0:42:55.680
want to be at school anymore and she 0:42:53.599,0:42:57.920
claims this was pretty common for her 0:42:55.680,0:42:59.920
in those days she didn't want to go to 0:42:57.920,0:43:01.280
school and whenever she did go to school 0:42:59.920,0:43:01.920
she wanted to leave so she was always 0:43:01.280,0:43:04.640
trying to get 0:43:01.920,0:43:06.079
out of going and trying to get home from 0:43:04.640,0:43:07.920
school if she was there 0:43:06.079,0:43:09.440
so at this point in the morning she 0:43:07.920,0:43:11.040
started texting and calling her mother 0:43:09.440,0:43:12.240
to come pick her up but she was getting 0:43:11.040,0:43:14.319
no responses 0:43:12.240,0:43:15.680
so she called her aunt conway beach to 0:43:14.319,0:43:18.079
come and pick her up from school 0:43:15.680,0:43:20.319
which conway did and school records show 0:43:18.079,0:43:23.599
that ali was dismissed early at 10 0:43:20.319,0:43:24.960
50 a.m conway picked ellie up and they 0:43:23.599,0:43:26.800
drove to 44 0:43:24.960,0:43:28.319
middle beach road and the first thing 0:43:26.800,0:43:29.760
conway noticed when they pulled in was 0:43:28.319,0:43:31.280
that barbara's car 0:43:29.760,0:43:33.680
was in the driveway which she thought 0:43:31.280,0:43:35.599
was strange because both she and ellie 0:43:33.680,0:43:37.520
had assumed barbara wasn't home 0:43:35.599,0:43:39.760
since she wasn't answering calls or 0:43:37.520,0:43:41.839
texts as they began walking 0:43:39.760,0:43:42.800
up towards the house they noticed 0:43:41.839,0:43:44.800
several things 0:43:42.800,0:43:46.640
that were out of place there was the 0:43:44.800,0:43:48.400
statue of a dog that was always by the 0:43:46.640,0:43:50.160
front door and this statue had been 0:43:48.400,0:43:52.160
knocked over and was broken 0:43:50.160,0:43:54.319
there was also a coffee cup on the front 0:43:52.160,0:43:56.079
stoop dropped and left there 0:43:54.319,0:43:57.920
and as they got closer they saw 0:43:56.079,0:43:58.960
barbara's purse and keys laying in the 0:43:57.920,0:44:01.839
front lawn 0:43:58.960,0:44:04.319
the purse was closest to the street the 0:44:01.839,0:44:06.560
keys were closer to the front door 0:44:04.319,0:44:08.480
according to conway as she knelt down to 0:44:06.560,0:44:10.960
pick up her sister's purse 0:44:08.480,0:44:11.520
ellie yelled at her and said don't touch 0:44:10.960,0:44:13.200
anything 0:44:11.520,0:44:14.480
this is a crime scene and conway 0:44:13.200,0:44:16.640
remember thinking you know what's this 0:44:14.480,0:44:18.240
girl talking about a crime scene 0:44:16.640,0:44:19.440
it's just like a person some keys in the 0:44:18.240,0:44:20.240
yard there's not a speck of blood 0:44:19.440,0:44:22.480
anywhere 0:44:20.240,0:44:24.319
what a strange thing to say and she did 0:44:22.480,0:44:25.680
pick up the purse anyways so they go 0:44:24.319,0:44:27.440
inside the house they begin 0:44:25.680,0:44:29.119
calling barbara's name but she doesn't 0:44:27.440,0:44:29.760
answer so they go out through the back 0:44:29.119,0:44:32.240
door 0:44:29.760,0:44:32.880
into the backyard and conway notices 0:44:32.240,0:44:34.319
cushions 0:44:32.880,0:44:36.000
cushions that would normally be on the 0:44:34.319,0:44:38.640
seats of patio furniture 0:44:36.000,0:44:40.560
sort of stacked up next to each other so 0:44:38.640,0:44:42.240
conway pulled one of the cushions back 0:44:40.560,0:44:44.400
obviously you know feeling ominous 0:44:42.240,0:44:44.960
feeling scared and she breathed a sigh 0:44:44.400,0:44:47.359
relief 0:44:44.960,0:44:48.079
she says that she saw blood and matted 0:44:47.359,0:44:50.160
fur 0:44:48.079,0:44:51.680
and assumed that it was an animal but 0:44:50.160,0:44:54.079
then as she began 0:44:51.680,0:44:55.040
peeling the rest of the cushions back 0:44:54.079,0:44:57.520
she realized 0:44:55.040,0:44:59.359
it was not an animal but the beaten and 0:44:57.520,0:45:02.240
bloody body of her sister 0:44:59.359,0:45:02.960
barbara hamburg barbara had not just 0:45:02.240,0:45:05.520
been killed 0:45:02.960,0:45:07.119
she'd been violently attacked her cause 0:45:05.520,0:45:09.839
of death was given as multiple 0:45:07.119,0:45:10.800
blunt and sharp force injuries all over 0:45:09.839,0:45:13.359
her body 0:45:10.800,0:45:14.160
her carotid artery had been stabbed 18 0:45:13.359,0:45:16.400
times 0:45:14.160,0:45:18.240
right off the bat to me this doesn't 0:45:16.400,0:45:21.599
seem like the crime of a stranger 0:45:18.240,0:45:24.160
this was personal and fueled by strong 0:45:21.599,0:45:26.079
negative emotions it has been assumed 0:45:24.160,0:45:27.920
that the murder weapons were most likely 0:45:26.079,0:45:29.760
a hammer and a knife but that has yet to 0:45:27.920,0:45:32.480
be confirmed 0:45:29.760,0:45:33.200
barbara's purse wasn't taken nothing was 0:45:32.480,0:45:35.040
taken 0:45:33.200,0:45:36.560
someone went to that house specifically 0:45:35.040,0:45:39.359
to murder barbara 0:45:36.560,0:45:40.720
and they did so in the most vicious and 0:45:39.359,0:45:43.280
violent way possible 0:45:40.720,0:45:44.960
i repeat in my opinion this was personal 0:45:43.280,0:45:48.160
now conway and ali 0:45:44.960,0:45:49.119
called 9-1-1 to report this okay what's 0:45:48.160,0:45:51.520
wrong with your sister 0:45:49.119,0:45:52.319
a 9-1-1 call to send chills down your 0:45:51.520,0:45:55.280
spine 0:45:52.319,0:45:57.280
she has no pulse someone she's bleeding 0:45:55.280,0:45:59.200
she was covered with a 0:45:57.280,0:46:01.119
oh please just come get her a woman who 0:45:59.200,0:46:02.480
is believed to be barbara hamburg's 0:46:01.119,0:46:04.720
sister calls for help 0:46:02.480,0:46:05.839
saying she just picked up hamburg's 0:46:04.720,0:46:09.200
daughter from school 0:46:05.839,0:46:10.079
and made the discovery she didn't answer 0:46:09.200,0:46:12.079
all day today 0:46:10.079,0:46:14.640
she told the operator hamburg was 0:46:12.079,0:46:16.000
covered with cushions from the backyard 0:46:14.640,0:46:18.400
i don't want to move her because i don't 0:46:16.000,0:46:19.119
think it's a i think this was not an 0:46:18.400,0:46:20.720
accident 0:46:19.119,0:46:22.960
this was the scene from when police 0:46:20.720,0:46:25.920
responded to what turned into a homicide 0:46:22.960,0:46:28.319
investigation in madison 10 years ago 0:46:25.920,0:46:30.800
barbara hamburg was 48 years old when 0:46:28.319,0:46:32.319
she was found dead on her front lawn 0:46:30.800,0:46:34.319
eyewitness news is learning new 0:46:32.319,0:46:36.560
information that was never released 0:46:34.319,0:46:37.520
until our interview today with madison 0:46:36.560,0:46:40.400
police captain 0:46:37.520,0:46:41.599
joseph race barbara was discovered by 0:46:40.400,0:46:44.800
family members 0:46:41.599,0:46:47.040
you know that's where the 911 came in 0:46:44.800,0:46:48.560
you for the crime scene it was outside 0:46:47.040,0:46:52.880
the home 0:46:48.560,0:46:54.880
and it was she was attacked and stabbed 0:46:52.880,0:46:57.359
her secluded madison home on middle 0:46:54.880,0:46:58.800
beach west overlooks madison beach near 0:46:57.359,0:47:00.560
the country club 0:46:58.800,0:47:03.200
so it's it's pretty far back a little 0:47:00.560,0:47:04.240
bit off the road 0:47:03.200,0:47:05.599
it's one of those houses you wouldn't 0:47:04.240,0:47:07.040
even have known were there unless you 0:47:05.599,0:47:08.960
had a reason to go down there 0:47:07.040,0:47:11.280
and according to conway while they were 0:47:08.960,0:47:13.680
on the phone with the 911 operator 0:47:11.280,0:47:15.760
ellie said i can fix this and attempted 0:47:13.680,0:47:18.079
to perform cpr on her mother's body 0:47:15.760,0:47:22.000
getting quite a bit of blood on herself 0:47:18.079,0:47:24.160
in the process now on march 5th 2010 0:47:22.000,0:47:25.119
the madison police department gave a 0:47:24.160,0:47:27.920
press conference 0:47:25.119,0:47:29.760
saying you know they're continuing to 0:47:27.920,0:47:31.119
look into this death they're continuing 0:47:29.760,0:47:33.599
their investigation 0:47:31.119,0:47:34.319
but they were also looking for jeffrey 0:47:33.599,0:47:36.319
hamburg 0:47:34.319,0:47:38.319
just to talk to him you know nothing 0:47:36.319,0:47:40.079
else because apparently 0:47:38.319,0:47:41.440
jeff hamburg had dropped off the map and 0:47:40.079,0:47:43.200
couldn't be found good evening ladies 0:47:41.440,0:47:45.680
and gentlemen welcome to coming tonight 0:47:43.200,0:47:47.200
to the madison police department my name 0:47:45.680,0:47:48.720
is chief jack ramona 0:47:47.200,0:47:51.520
this is sergeant jonathan pardon who was 0:47:48.720,0:47:52.640
our pio officer for the department 0:47:51.520,0:47:54.480
madison police department the 0:47:52.640,0:47:54.800
connecticut state police in the office 0:47:54.480,0:47:56.960
of the 0:47:54.800,0:47:58.559
chief states attorney of muhammad county 0:47:56.960,0:47:59.520
we're continuing our investigation into 0:47:58.559,0:48:01.599
the death of 0:47:59.520,0:48:03.920
barbara hamburg from middle beach road 0:48:01.599,0:48:08.000
west in madison 0:48:03.920,0:48:10.800
at this time we're seeking to locate 0:48:08.000,0:48:12.720
her former husband jeffrey hamburg date 0:48:10.800,0:48:15.119
of birth 8548 0:48:12.720,0:48:15.920
he's a white male six feet tall with 0:48:15.119,0:48:17.440
hazel eyes 0:48:15.920,0:48:19.520
last owner dresses in west hartford 0:48:17.440,0:48:21.440
connecticut timberwood road 0:48:19.520,0:48:22.640
i want to stress that we're seeking to 0:48:21.440,0:48:26.160
speak with him 0:48:22.640,0:48:28.800
only in regards to this incident and i 0:48:26.160,0:48:30.079
really want to make that point clear 0:48:28.800,0:48:32.160
just wonderful questioning 0:48:30.079,0:48:34.480
now i know we're all thinking it was the 0:48:32.160,0:48:36.880
husband he had the motive for sure 0:48:34.480,0:48:38.800
considering that very day he would be 0:48:36.880,0:48:40.559
going into a courtroom and if he didn't 0:48:38.800,0:48:41.680
have a crap ton of money he was going to 0:48:40.559,0:48:44.079
be put behind bars 0:48:41.680,0:48:45.680
again but that is what's really 0:48:44.079,0:48:46.400
compelling about this case because if we 0:48:45.680,0:48:48.160
look past 0:48:46.400,0:48:50.240
the standard it was the husband 0:48:48.160,0:48:52.160
assumption and look deeper into 0:48:50.240,0:48:53.119
barbara's life who she knew what she had 0:48:52.160,0:48:55.440
going on 0:48:53.119,0:48:56.240
a number of other possibilities present 0:48:55.440,0:48:58.000
themselves 0:48:56.240,0:49:00.240
and i'm not saying that it wasn't the 0:48:58.000,0:49:02.000
husband at all i'm not saying that at 0:49:00.240,0:49:04.079
all this is an unsolved case we don't 0:49:02.000,0:49:05.920
know who committed this murder and it's 0:49:04.079,0:49:08.079
a theory that we will dive into in the 0:49:05.920,0:49:10.240
next video along with all the others 0:49:08.079,0:49:12.640
but the whole situation becomes more 0:49:10.240,0:49:14.960
strange and convoluted the deeper you go 0:49:12.640,0:49:16.319
and i really think that we should 0:49:14.960,0:49:18.640
examine um 0:49:16.319,0:49:20.079
every theory from every angle because 0:49:18.640,0:49:20.800
you know it would be easy to say it's a 0:49:20.079,0:49:22.800
husband 0:49:20.800,0:49:24.400
and i mean even at the end of looking at 0:49:22.800,0:49:25.760
every other possibility 0:49:24.400,0:49:27.760
every other scenario every other 0:49:25.760,0:49:30.319
situation we might still think 0:49:27.760,0:49:31.680
it's the husband and and that's fine if 0:49:30.319,0:49:33.599
we've looked at every other theory and 0:49:31.680,0:49:35.520
every other possibility first 0:49:33.599,0:49:37.359
if at the end of that we we all want to 0:49:35.520,0:49:38.880
get together and universally say we 0:49:37.359,0:49:39.920
still think it's jeff hamburg 0:49:38.880,0:49:41.280
i think we can do that because we're 0:49:39.920,0:49:43.040
just speculating we're just saying we 0:49:41.280,0:49:44.000
think that we're not accusing anyone of 0:49:43.040,0:49:45.920
anything 0:49:44.000,0:49:47.200
but in the next video we'll be going 0:49:45.920,0:49:49.760
over all the theories 0:49:47.200,0:49:51.359
and i tell you it gets crazy it gets 0:49:49.760,0:49:54.559
dark 0:49:51.359,0:49:56.640
there's so much 0:49:54.559,0:49:57.920
more to this case than than you would 0:49:56.640,0:49:58.800
think from the outside you know and i 0:49:57.920,0:50:00.240
think it speaks to 0:49:58.800,0:50:02.960
humans in general like you look at 0:50:00.240,0:50:04.400
somebody on facebook or instagram and 0:50:02.960,0:50:04.800
you think you have an understanding of 0:50:04.400,0:50:06.480
who 0:50:04.800,0:50:08.240
this person is based on what they show 0:50:06.480,0:50:10.319
you but you don't 0:50:08.240,0:50:12.400
have any understanding you don't even 0:50:10.319,0:50:13.040
have any clue really of what's truly 0:50:12.400,0:50:14.880
underneath 0:50:13.040,0:50:16.319
of everything that they're into or 0:50:14.880,0:50:17.440
everything that they're involved in 0:50:16.319,0:50:20.559
everything that they 0:50:17.440,0:50:22.000
feel or think and it just really speaks 0:50:20.559,0:50:24.319
to the complexity 0:50:22.000,0:50:26.079
of each and every human and how they are 0:50:24.319,0:50:28.160
so much more than they seem 0:50:26.079,0:50:30.160
sometimes for the good sometimes for the 0:50:28.160,0:50:32.400
bad but that's where we'll pick up 0:50:30.160,0:50:34.160
in the next video i think this is going 0:50:32.400,0:50:36.480
to be the last video before christmas i 0:50:34.160,0:50:38.400
hate to leave you on a cliffhanger but 0:50:36.480,0:50:39.680
um that was not really my intention but 0:50:38.400,0:50:40.000
obviously i do need to spend christmas 0:50:39.680,0:50:42.720
with my 0:50:40.000,0:50:43.680
family but i will make sure to have the 0:50:42.720,0:50:46.800
second part of this 0:50:43.680,0:50:47.839
up asap after christmas so that we can 0:50:46.800,0:50:50.079
reconnect but 0:50:47.839,0:50:51.920
if i don't talk to any of you until then 0:50:50.079,0:50:53.200
happy holidays whatever you celebrate 0:50:51.920,0:50:56.400
whoever you're spending it with 0:50:53.200,0:50:58.240
have the very very best one make sure to 0:50:56.400,0:51:00.559
follow me on instagram twitter 0:50:58.240,0:51:01.520
make sure to follow my podcast crime 0:51:00.559,0:51:02.960
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link to the website's in the description 0:51:02.960,0:51:06.319
box so you can actually go there and 0:51:04.480,0:51:07.119
click on whatever podcast platform you 0:51:06.319,0:51:08.720
use 0:51:07.119,0:51:10.559
and the last case we covered is the 0:51:08.720,0:51:12.960
jennifer doulo's case and i believe part 0:51:10.559,0:51:15.440
two of that comes out this coming friday 0:51:12.960,0:51:16.559
so probably right around when this video 0:51:15.440,0:51:18.480
is going to post 0:51:16.559,0:51:20.240
although i have no time or concept of 0:51:18.480,0:51:21.680
days anymore i don't even know what i 0:51:20.240,0:51:23.440
know it's a weekend today 0:51:21.680,0:51:25.359
but i don't know anything other than 0:51:23.440,0:51:27.040
that so this video will probably be out 0:51:25.359,0:51:28.800
before part two of jennifer dulos goes 0:51:27.040,0:51:30.559
up but you can go watch part one now 0:51:28.800,0:51:33.040
you can watch the first episode which 0:51:30.559,0:51:35.119
was about the watts murders you can also 0:51:33.040,0:51:37.040
get ready and subscribe so that you're 0:51:35.119,0:51:38.000
there when part two of the dulos case 0:51:37.040,0:51:39.760
comes out 0:51:38.000,0:51:41.440
so follow me on there follow me on 0:51:39.760,0:51:44.240
instagram twitter i already said that 0:51:41.440,0:51:47.280
stay kind stay beautiful happy holidays 0:51:44.240,0:51:47.280
and i'll see you really soon 0:51:48.839,0:51:51.839
bye 0:52:15.440,0:52:21.599 but you don't know how deep it goes 0:52:18.559,0:52:26.000
until it's getting you slowly 0:52:21.599,0:52:28.480
so you got to let it go 0:52:26.000,0:52:28.480
i got 0:52:31.200,0:52:33.839 on the blood
