Which Automakers Can Seriously Challenge Tesla?

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Was genuinely surprised by this mostly positive piece on Tesla from CNBC. Although they did not touch on the charging network or self driving capabilities, which are the other two huge drivers of demand for Tesla over any other manufacturer.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 24 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/refpuz πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

More like "Will anyone challenge Tesla?"

Low production, boutique models, heavily stage managed reviews and PR stunts. Compliance cars, loss leaders, just give us something folks, give us a little something!

Anybody look at the "Sony" EV and compare the interior and body shape to the Lucid Air? Same seats, same lines. The Panamera gets a nose job and and electric motors and it's a "ground up EV" all of a sudden. What? Ford makes a big show of a full electric F150 hauling a train car, then crickets.

Everything is low volume ICE conversions as an alpha release. Oh sure, it's all coming in the future! Just wait! The big boys are gonna be here!

Meanwhile, GM promises self driving Bolts to be shipping in 2018

GM: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-autonomous-exclusive/exclusive-gm-plans-to-build-test-thousands-of-self-driving-bolts-in-2018-sources-idUSKBN15W283

Ford:

β€œIn our case, we said a Level Four vehicle in 2021,” explained Fields in a wide-ranging interview, during which he also told CNBC that President-elect Donald Trump’s proposed tax or trade reforms would not influence Ford’s long-term goals.

SAE characterizes a Level Four self-driving vehicle as one that uses an automated system for β€œall aspects of the dynamic driving task, even if a human driver does not respond appropriately to a request to intervene.”

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/09/ford-aims-for-self-driving-car-with-no-gas-pedal-no-steering-wheel-in-5-years-ceo-says.html?__source=Facebook

Nissan:

The carmaker planned to release 10 different self-driving cars by 2020. CEO Carlos Ghosn told TechCrunch, β€œSo we know that autonomy is something of high interest for the consumers. This is the first brick β€” one-lane highway. Then you’re going to have multi-lane highway, and then you’re going to have urban driving. All of these steps are going to come before 2020. […] 2020 for the autonomous car in urban conditions, probably 2025 for the driverless car.”

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/13/renault-nissan-ceo-carlos-ghosn-on-the-future-of-cars/

I just hear Johnny Rotten in my head: "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 9 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Protagonista πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

None and none. Legacy makers will cannibalize themselves to bankruptcy with EVs and start ups can't cross the ramp up chasm with Tesla already established on the other side.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 6 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/upvotemeok πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

This really felt like a high scholar's book report level of analysis. Barely breaks the surface.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/gregoyless πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Always seen positive articles and videos from CNBC during the weekends and rarely on market open days. Hope this will change soon.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/tsla4k πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Teslas are better, cost less, making progress faster. Nobody else can challenge. It's not easy to get the whole system in place.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Bobsky2 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 16 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Killers or not (likely not), I'm pretty excited to see the push into EVs from every major manufacturer (weirdly, except Toyota). It doesn't feel like all that long ago that "Who killed the electric car" was released and the future of EVs seemed bleak.

What an exciting time this is, despite having a government (in the US, anyway) that's openly hostile toward clean tech initiatives and pro coal/oil.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/mutandi πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Why do they limit the comparison to US market only? I know Tesla is popular world wide but it makes the comparison looks baised even if it's not the intent.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/drshuffle πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 15 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

Not too much talk about the most important thing: The batteries.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/guard74 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 16 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies
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Several major automakers are making big bets on the electric vehicle market. But so far, the U.S. E.V. market seems to belong to one automaker, Tesla, of the 246,000 new electric vehicles sold in the United States in 2019 . Nearly 194,000 were Tesla's of one kind or another. That is more than three times the amount sold by all other manufacturers combined. The Tesla Model Three sold nearly 160,000 units alone. No other vehicle from any other manufacturer came close. The next biggest seller was the Chevrolet Bolt, which sold roughly 16,400 units a fraction of the Model Three's volume. Investing in Tesla is said to not be for the faint of heart. But as the automaker has managed to get a handle on production of its model, three introduce other models and expand its presence in China. Its stock has climbed, hitting new highs above $900 in February 2020. For years s keptics have warned of a tsunami of competitors coming for the pioneering electric car brand and starting in just a few months and really accelerating next year and into 2018. It's just going to be swarmed with long range electric car competition. Still, Tesla. A Few vehicles have been released so far, but sales indicate that any one of them has failed to make a significant dent in Tesla's share of the E.V. market. So far, the Tesla killers haven't really killed Tesla at all, but more rivals are coming and they are being launched by massive automakers who have been making cars for a long time. So who are they and how much of a chance do they have? First, it helps to look at what they're up against. Analysts and industry watchers debate the reasons why Tesla is so dominant in EVs. There are a few clear ones on paper. First of all, Tesla's have some of the best ranges available of all electric cars on the market. And Tesla's biggest seller, the Model 3, starts at about $39,000 , not far from the average price of a new vehicle in the US. Tesla's have also garnered praise for their innovative design, both on the outside and the inside. But there are criticisms of Tesla, as well as a relatively small and young automaker. Tesla has been plagued by manufacturing difficulties, which has left hopeful buyers waiting a long time for reserved vehicles. Veteran competitors have even used their manufacturing experience as a selling point when marketing their own electric models, telling customers they won't have to wait for a newly unveiled vehicle. Tesla customers have also complained about troubles, obtaining parts and service. Tesla's success seems to defy the odds in other ways. Out of the three models it currently sells to are traditional sedans in a market that has been increasingly favoring sport utility vehicles since the U.S. economy emerged from the Great Recession. Its only SUV available so far. The Model X carries a very high end price tag. But Tesla fans, loyalists and would be buyers are so far undeterred. The company seems to attract a lot of hype and attention. Many industry watchers say that much of what sells Tesla cars is Tesla itself, as well as its charismatic, if often controversial leader Elon Musk. Despite gripes about long waits for service, serial production, setbacks and criticisms of the company's build, quality buyers still seem to want to be part of the Tesla vision. The renowned industry reviewer Consumer Reports, has both praised and criticized Tesla vehicles, but it says the brand seems to have something special, no one else has been able to capture. Well, I think that's exactly it. I mean, think a lot of interest in Tesla more so the fact that they're looking for an electric car. So the fact that Tesla is the innovator is the latest thing is the latest technology. That is what is so attractive to so many people. So the question is, which brands can compete with Tesla? Which ones are meant to? What are potential Tesla buyers shopping? On the higher end where Tesla tends to play? There are cars such as the Audi E Tron, the Jaguar I-Pace and the BMW i3. Porsche began delivering its long awaited Taycan to U.S. customers in December. It's expected to follow that up with at least one other model, an electric version of its Macan crossover. Mainstream electric vehicles include the Chevrolet Bolt, the Honda Clarity Electric, a couple cars from Hyundai the Kia Niro the long selling Nissan Leaf and Leaf Plus and the Volkswagen E-Golf. There are several others scheduled for release starting in 2020 from major brands, especially in the premium segments and near the higher end of the mainstream market where Tesla currently competes. Ford unveiled its Mustang Mach E. in November, 2019. The company expects to begin deliveries in late 2020 and said it has already reached its order limit for a first edition version of the vehicle. Despite what some have called a muted response to its E-Tron, Audi is planning more E-Tron variants, including a midsize SUV called the Q4 E-Tron, a high performance GT and a sport back version. BMW is expected to launch the i4 a more sport focused car for its electric i brand, whereas the i3 was more of a small city car that even elicited some derision from BMW purists. The i4 comes with 523 horsepower. BMW's Mini Cooper brand will supply the city car the Mini Cooper s e expected in early 2020. Mercedes Benz parent Daimler said in December it would delay the U.S. launch of its EQC electric crossover until 2021. About a year after its originally intended launch time in early 2020, a more sedan like car called the EQS is also expected. Smaller luxury brands are pushing into electric vehicles in the near future as well. Jaguar is planning an electric version of its XJ sedan and Volvo is working on an electric XC40 Compact SUV as well as a high performance crossover through its sister brand Polestar. Automotive colossus Volkswagen is throwing its weight behind electric vehicles apart from its higher end products. Under Porsche, Audi and other brands, the German giant is planning several Volkswagen branded EVs, including a crossover called the ID Crozz and a revival of the legendary VW bus called the ID Buzz. Then there are the smaller brands and startups such as Bollinger, Lordstown, Lucid and the troubled Faraday Future. Many, many such vehicles are planned, including several in a very American segment electric vehicle manufacturers so far have barely touched pickup trucks. Tesla introduced perhaps its most ambitious and polarizing design yet in 2019. The cyber truck this puts the company at least technically, squarely in competition with pickups segment heavyweights such as Ford, Fiat Chrysler, and General Motors. Truck sales in the U.S. are dominated by Detroit. Ford has said it plans to release a fully electric version of its best selling F-Series full-size pickup. General Motors plans to revive its once potent Hummer brand name as an all electric vehicle. GM said at the end of January 2020, it will spend $2.2 billion at its Detroit Hamtramck assembly plant to produce several all electric trucks and SUVs to build a new generation of electric pickup trucks, SUVs, and other EVs, beginning late just this next year,. Buzzed about startup revision is working on its own electric pickup truck. The R1 T is slated for release along with a similar sized sport utility vehicle in 2020. Rivian is promising 400 miles of range on a single charge, a wading depth of more than three feet and zero to 60 acceleration in three seconds. Ford invested $500 million in the startup in 2019 and plans to release an SUV bearing its luxury Lincoln badge that is based on technology developed by Rivian. Meanwhile, Tesla's cyber truck design seems to baffle some industry watchers. Some investors have called it weird, really weird. Musk defended the truck's polarizing design on a conference call after the automaker released earnings for the fourth quarter of 2019. For the cyber track. A few months ago, we revealed th e cyber truck that went viral and we tried to build a product that is superior in every way without any preconceptions of how such a product should look. So it really just from a standpoint of what's the most bad ass futuristic armored personnel carrier that, you know, kicks the ass of any pickup truck? Basically, that's the goal. And we wanted to look like something that just came out of a sci-fi movie set from the future. On the same call, Musk said Tesla's demand exceeds what the company can produce over three or four years. We've never seen actually such a level of demand at this. We've never seen anything like it. Basically. I think we will make us about as many as we can sell for many years. So sell as many as we can make. It's going to be pretty nuts. So and I think actually that the product is better than people realize, even though they don't even have enough information to realize, just the awesomeness of it. It's just great. Industry watchers say that the move into trucks is another way for automakers to try to make the best of a difficult situation. Both investor excitement over Tesla and increasing regulatory pressure are forcing legacy automakers to come up with some kind of electric vehicle plan. But it is commonly thought that electric vehicles are so far still a tough sell for many buyers. EVs remain a tiny slice of the U.S. auto market and are heavily concentrated in states such as California, where high fuel prices, government policies and incentives and perhaps a dash of culture all contribute to higher electric vehicle sales. EV demand in the U.S. market has been pretty modest through the years. Consider that it took an entire human generation for 44 alternative energy models combined to achieve one half of the market share of the Ford F-Series pickup. The best selling pickup in the United States. Around the world, it seems the healthiest electric vehicle markets are supported heavily by government intervention. The largest car market in the world, China is also the largest market for electric vehicles. Tesla surprised The automotive world, by being the first foreign car company to gain permission to manufacture in the country without partnering with a Chinese firm, electric vehicle sales were growing in China until the government cut subsidies for battery electric vehicles. In June of 2019, sales began falling that next July. Just weeks later, while early electric and hybrid vehicles were sedans and compact cars, newer models are increasingly sport utility vehicles and pickups, areas of the auto market that have grown tremendously in demand over the last decade. There are also vehicles customers are willing to pay more for compared with similarly sized passenger cars. That combination suggests automakers will have an easier time moving them off the lot and absorbing the high costs of electric vehicle technology. But they will still have to find a way to challenge the awesome brand power and cult like following Tesla has achieved.
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Length: 12min 53sec (773 seconds)
Published: Sat Feb 15 2020
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