What We Expect from WWDC and Google I/O

well you know speaking of totally different worlds uh two very different developer conferences invites went out like that that was pretty solid I feel like Google six Google and apple both announced uh their developer conference dates this summer Google IO and worldwide developer conference being apples um we expect very different things at each of these and I guess but also not really do we well we expect similar things in different styles we expect AI from both of them yeah well maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but Jaws tweeted it's going to be absolutely incredible with both of those words capitalized a in absolutely and I an incredible Capital oh he thinks we're 12 so yeah AI probably we all got that but I think yeah we all kind of been waiting for this AI thing from Apple for forever and it's this the invite is the Siri colors and like we've been hearing all these murmurings about you know chat GPT and open AI but also Gemini and Google and like what is Apple actually going to do with AI on the iPhone even lately I've seen um I've had just random mentions of AI from Apple where they're like oh yeah we've been an AI company the whole time like we've had the most advanced neural engine on our Apple silicon chips for years now and I'm like yeah you could I guess you could just start saying that now you're not wrong but you haven't been saying it like that until just recently so it's kind of interesting I would argue they are wrong it's you could you could Silo in an argument where they're like technically right but also my argument is that an incredible amount of things that people are branding as AI now were just machine learning that has been happening for a very long time and it's funny cuz Apple had never Apple never says AI right and I made a whole video about how Apple never says Ai and then just recently they started being like Oh yeah we oh yeah that's us AI for sure we said it we've been doing it yeah I know we say machine learning and neural engine and all that stuff but like yeah this is are they just going to suddenly say AI a thousand times on stage this year a dub dub I think they just wait a really long time to make sure that something is act like a new category is actually sticking before they associate themselves with it it's every feature in the iPhone pretty much it's like all of the new features have been out already and then they just like waited till it was definitely popular polished the hell out of it and popped it out yeah popular or like offered real real utility to their customers because I think there are plenty of things that you could Off You could argue were way way early in other phones but didn't really offer utility and then it took extra years for people to figure out oh this is actually good for people yeah um and there's so many little examples I'm very very interested in what besides like better Siri like a fully revamped like Transformer based Siri which I really hope exists uh they're going to add because they're I really don't think they're going to do like AI wallpapers and all of that kind of stuff right there's lots of those little things that others have done first that aren't necessarily that useful like AI wallpapers but then there are some things that I think are obvious wins like well they've already done the keyboard they've already done slightly better Auto the keybo by the way I feel like has made the keybo worse in I actually haven't noticed anything different for me it feels like the auto the auto suggestions and auto correct have just gotten way worse if I'm not typing a word that's like a commonly used like this morning I was trying to type the word atres and my phone just like I mean was not that's not the phone it's from Dune it's from it's a dune thing okay I don't think any keybard would naturally get that one well no no no no no it's it's not like it was trying to like it would it's not like I would finish the word correctly and then it would do it like if CU it does the predictive what letter is coming next yeah so if it if it really struggles to know like it's almost the the touchcreen is useless especially on my little tiny mini phone yeah true true at trades it's that is not a weird thing I'm just saying that's just slightly above fata for me just slightly above it I just don't think I would know how to spell it yeah but also like Transformers are are trained on the Comon it of how often words are used around other words it's in the most popular movie right now right now Andrew help me out I was gonna make a joke who in here has seen Dune I still haven't seen either of them no haven't seen it no one besides Ellis has seen Dune here wow Adam seen Dune one Dune one oh was a trus in it a trades yes but my argument is that they're fictional names and characters and places absolutely can't people to know are typing them into their iPhones yeah but that's not how this is trained mhm it's not it's not real time it's trained on like an existing data set of common words uh really yeah there like it's probably up to like 2022 or something yeah and also other people so there is a mechanism in the new iOS 17 keyboard that learns based on the way that you type right but it doesn't learn based on the way that other iPhone users Ty so does this mean I'm a fake fan of you just have to start typing that I'm clearly not typing aades you got well no that's a great Point actually though because I feel like that's Apple's whole problem thus far is that they don't have that giant data set of all their users is why they're probably going to use Gemini that's the whole argument they don't like their whole thing is security and we don't scrape your data and we don't scrape other people's data and give it to other people and with large language models they're kind of boned yeah I want to point I want to paint this I want to paint this as clearly as possible in order to have a really and we I've phrased this many different ways but in order to have the smartest possible most useful AI like think of a think of a real human assistant who's going to help you out in order for that person to be the most helpful for you they need to know everything about you right if they're going to start scheduling your flights they need to know oh do you like window seats do you like usually fly out of this airport do you like United or Delta they need to know everything about you and so if you're knowing everything about someone you have a lot of data on them and and minimal privacy but Apple's whole stance and their whole policy is to keep as little data as possible none if they can help it and to know nothing about you and to keep everything private as much as possible which is great and very Noble and super it's a big reason why a lot of people like the iPhone but now that means they by definition I think cannot build the most helpful assistant that knows everything about you yeah and so how does Apple get around this like Apple's Google's out here knowing everything about you and giving you all the Poss yeah before you even know you want that it's like I know you're about to wake up so I'm going start helping you out with the thing you're going to eat for breakfast like it knows you super well and so they're able to offer all this helpful stuff which people like do they partner do they compromise on that that that policy that they have to let Google in the door to collect or or to at least use the data they already have maybe they don't collect on the iPhone but to use the they're going to do Google has collected so much much data over time and I think Apple's just going to be like we're going to use that and is that data a one toone match of what they need or do iPhone users maybe use their phones slightly differently than the all the other users they already have I don't know if that's going to come up it seems more focused around large language models I would guess yeah and like natural language processing so they'll probably use it for Siri mhm I don't really see them using it for a lot of other stuff which is why I'm actually very curious cuz if this whole wwc is supposed to be focused around AI I imagine they're going to like for multiple of their products say we added some sort of AI to this but what else besides Siri could they add AI to that would make like a large Tang reminders I was going to say the rumor did say like iOS 18 right features so it was plural so there are potentially many different things in there that it could be added to I guess like and when ja says absolutely incredible it assumes that that's going to be like the theme of the yeah yeah so they'll probably PL of I'm I'm super interested in both of these happening and they being a connection are they going to talk about each other during their confence like apple has to talk about Google no really you think they're just going or do you think they just say Gemini I don't think they're even going to say you don't think they're going to say gem at all I would say that's probably part of the deal is that they don't have to mention Google at all it would be really impressive if they never mentioned Google if they literally partner this is gonna be a way for him bet no no this well before we get to it though did they mention go when Google became the default search in Safari did they talk about that at all so long ago was it ever not the default search I think they immediately I think it was pretty immedi yeah interesting and that was like back in 2008 okay yeah when very different company now almost not worth mentioning when they Apple announced RCS was that in an event or just that they were that was was random press release relase it was I don't think it was even a press release I think it just went out and yeah they seated it they seated a quote to a journal yeah it wasn't even a press release I it will be really interesting I I know that these companies look like they copy each other's feutures a lot so when I'm trying to predict what they're going to do I'm literally looking at what's just happened with the past couple Google events and even Samsung like Circle to search kind of an interesting feature right something's on my screen I want to just like quickly search that thing online and bring you s results that could be interesting or maybe IM message you start planning a trip in a group chat maybe this little assistant clippy bot comes down and starts helping you the trip it doesn't have to be clippy cuz it's Apple not Microsoft but you know I'm looking at other parallel feature yeah just Craig's head floats down it looks like you're trying to plan yeah that's that's my thought process for trying to figure out what other than Siri Apple could be doing with AI yeah I mean considering they update pretty much every OS for all of their devices hopefully we're going to see something coming to like the watch and iPad hod that was going to my question because remember Google they announced Gemini with like three different versions I forgot which one was supposed to be on the phone Pico or something Nano thank um Apple has watches they have earbuds like there's so many other things computers yeah what is it going to be like is it just plugged into I would say Gemini Nano gets put on the Apple watch on the on the watch see I was going to say Nano gets put on the phone or something similar to it you know like probably but then what goes on on the watch there's multiple features coming to multiple devices I just don't see it being a onetoone fix to like other things yeah I don't know I'm well there's also okay so there there's a distinction between like local Ai and cloud-based AI as well yeah the local stuff is the best experience usually it's the fastest like the live translations if you just download the language model or whatever you can do live translations on the device that's usually awesome which and apple was pretty last WWDC they mentioned a lot of local learning like being Incorporated to so many different things so is this like a an aspect of they're going to keep the local stuff themselves and then Outsource the kind of I actually believe that the rumor when we talked about this I think two weeks ago maybe this happened the rumor was specifically that Apple was Outsourcing it to Google for the cloud-based AI stuff I forget if it was that but it I remember the article very much feeling like Gemini wasn't taking over all of AI that it was features and that this is going to be kind of split in I it's mostly going to be for the cloud stuff okay yeah so yeah could be interesting and then of course Google IO uh which can we make the BET first oh yeah sorry do we is it just do we think they mention Google or Gemini do we think that the word Google is said on stage or or Gemini Google or gemini or do we think like I don't think they say either you don't think either what do you think wow that's a tough one I think if we really think they're partnering and and using I don't I don't think they actually will be partnering so I'm going to go with no think you think that the rumor is false I think yeah really I think they're going to try to do as much on device as possible and that's going to be the the hill that they die on and they're going to want to over time be able to bring more and more things on device but they might just take a stance against going to the cloud for these slow experiences cuz Siri is I mean that's Siri's bad like that's people I mean I don't know if they know how bad Siri is but I think that that's more likely that they just try to keep everything local and on device so they don't send your information somewhere and and hopefully that doesn't get breached well but but you can incorporate Gemini into things where Gemini is pulling from all the other sources it's learning from but Apple doesn't have to put your stuff into it right yeah I don't think that Apple will use a local Gemini model I think they'll only use Gemini for cloudbased AI that they need the cloud for I think if they do use Gemini then they've got to say it at least once I don't think they're going to say it at at all okay let's assume that they will use Gemini okay I think that they will say the name I'm going to say they're not going to say the I'm going to say they're going to say Google and Gemini I don't think they're gonna say either I I'm I'm saying it as a I think it'll be funny if they do and I'm gonna say screw it let's let's I think they're going I like this bet that's a good bet okay that's a good bet okay speak Google also we're just gonna we're just gonna skip Vision OS that's a whole another thing is like we expect Vision Pro updates probably at WWDC yeah but we don't know what they will be I was actually thinking about that last week it was like it's kind of exciting that now we get these whole big updates for the Vision Pro as well yeah that's kind of cool like cuz usually they introduce iPhone features that we didn't even think of and we're like that makes a lot of sense that's really dope yeah and is that going to happen for Vision Pro or they they're probably just going to introduce the things that people have been complaining about I would would be nice which would be nice my guess is at WWDC we're going to see a lot of especially this first time around it's only been out for a few months it's going to be like a bunch of different progr that helps developers create inside of it better where us three won't have any idea what any of that really means they'll definitely highlight like how many how many apps have come out for it since launch and things like that and some of the highlights and the best apps and oh personas are out of beta now or they're they're version 1.1 or something and they're better than last time stuff like that yeah I think it'll be a minor Vision OS thing you think I think so I mean minor minor to us minor to the consumer I'm sure developers they'll be it only have been out for mon by the time WWDC happens so it's fair but but add that to the list of like 19 OS that they've got to up exactly tvos Vision OS iOS Mac OS Etc but okay Google IO Google we've seen endless leaks of uh possible pixel what is it 8A 8 and we I think expect that to finally be unveiled at least and then I still wish they would just drop it with the mainline phones and and be on the same number yeah nothing's stopping them yeah Nothing is Stopping Google's St because they make a $350 phone and Google's is $500 now yeah they don't want to maybe they just want to overshadow their more expensive phones who would buy a $900 pixel if the $350 pixel came out the same day yeah and we were we were also talking about how the AA is basically the eight yeah so so I guess I have to never mind I get it all right they could yeah it's a it's like a midle refresh in a way or like a midcycle like hey you can buy this slightly cut down one I guess we're expecting the updates on Gemini on the phone versus assistant on the phone cuz at this very moment in time it's not clear why people should be moving from one to the other I do have a potential Theory and it might be too early for this okay but I assume we can probably assume that the eventual plan is to either deprecate assistant or deprecate Gemini and eventually merge them into one or actually probably what's going to happen is because right now Gemini the official name is like Google Gemini powered by Gemini Ultra 1.5 or something like that and be I think they're doing that very intentionally so that they can like get recognition for the model so that later they can say Google assistant is now powered by Gemini Ultra 2.4 so it's still the model so I imagine and this is just a theory that maybe at this Google IO they'll announce they're working on merging them M so that everything is just Google assistant again I thought you were going to say the more Google thing of kill both of them new one it's called Google Messenger it's called Hangouts I do think I do hope we see something though that's not this make the decision between assistant on your phone or Gemini on your pH that's AB absurd it feels like they need to mix them they're eventually I assume going to mix them but I I just would like that to happen sooner rather than later honestly the biggest update I'm expecting and then obviously Android updates as well in general but uh yeah very different style yeah so similar question before assuming Gemini is going to the iPhone does Google talk about Apple no just Google and how they're going to be powering things on the iPhone maybe which is also funny because it's earlier than WWDC oh they they couldn't they they can't they would be think so I don't think Apple cuz it would yeah cuz Apple hasn't announced anything AI related yet imagine Sundar on stage like by the way we're going to power whatever Apple's coming out with in the next month they might say something like we've we've established some leading industry partners that you're going to are going to be exciting in the they'll be cryptic about that for sure I do think it's harder but they have announced things before like with Samsung before Samsung's announced things right at IO I know it's different I know I know I'm just saying it's not that wild of an interesting yeah no they'll be I'm sure they'll announce some some feature stuff that we don't see coming I hope they do I hope they say something about working with apple here's the here's a I would love this bet who will say AI more on on stage and why is it Google Google go they will say it Google's taking what they did last year and they're they're imping it up wait actually here's the BET will will Google say AI more or less times than last I yeah what's the over under yeah what is last something oh let me just find that out real quick Andrew oh no I'm waiting someone super cut someone's got to get get the super cut machine ready because we got to use that to count how many times they say it was 137 I was say we could throw thatt I said 150 dang wow okay yeah 137 over under 150 it's going to be hard to say it more you remember that last presentation right they literally we're saying it non-stop it's like every sentence uh I'm going under because I think they'll say more different types of buzzword like models and large language and stuff like that they're going to say multimodal like eight times as many times as they did last time yeah they need to flex what's different about Gemini versus the other models and unless GPT 5 comes out which I I'm assuming is going to be multimodal unless that comes out before IO they're going to flex the hell out of it so your over under over one over 137 I'm under I would say if Google wants to flex they should pretend to just move on from AI they should be like age other companies are just now getting to AI we're on to S aai super Advanced AI here we are it for our not AI yeah AI Type R do you think oh my god do you think of Apple at dub uh mentions Google they'll uh they'll say gift from Google do you think the audience will boo they mention Google that be so funny if we're there we'll boo okay so uh yeah I'm going under because I do think that eventually the terminology AI is going to just get tired and people are it's going to be the same as machine learning big data Internet of Things it's the same with all of these buzzwords like everyone uses them for a while so that the stock price goes up and then eventually when it's the industry Norm people just start stop talking we're in the thick of it now I feel like we're in the thick of it we're in the thick of it but I also think last year was thicker uh I would argue this year's there's more going on I think it's more in the public knowledge at least than last year Apple says it so little that if this is the first year they say AI 100 times on stage everyone's ships lifted from that if you're in the AI boat which is why Google has the chance to like separate themselves again and be like we we're Beyond AI we're even better we're in the Galaxy speaking of speaking of Galaxy speaking of Galaxy I'm I'm going over I think that happens I agree with both of you that goes next year I'm say I'm going to say under all right okay Ellis uh I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the over really yes I think they're gonna start on Pace to be over cuz Sundar is going to open with a monologue about AI if I run on stage and yell AI a bunch of sometimes does that count yes it's they will have to use it like more than once a minute every minute of IO I's two hours exactly which is 120 minutes but they easily I mean they did that last year no that's what I'm saying so I'm I'm I'm taking the dude every 20 seconds for two hours if they hit the uh I think there's a chance go back and watch some of the early minutes of last year's I it is far greater than every two minutes if they partner with that Audio company II does that that count do we get three there I'm almost expecting some sort of meme about it at some point where they just go ai ai ai a i ai ai like just as like a the Whopper song Whopper Whopper chicken Whopper yeah I I don't know if Google would meme it but I I'm I'm going under hey thanks for watching this clip make sure you leave a like also ring dingding da ba ba ARA ba B ba BBA ding ding this is crazy frog it's B Mow oh it's different every time though then it's ding ding goes back to bam yeah then it's uh long at the bottom at the botom the Google lyrics it says translate to English it's the exact same no no no it's not da da translate to yes yes oh it's Russian yeah da da crazy frog is Russian that's [Music] incredible

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Published: Tue Apr 02 2024