What If Swings Had Springs Instead Of Ropes: Autoparametric Resonance

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What happens when you combine a Wilberforce pendulum with parametric resonance side to side? You should be able to find parameters for which all three energy modes resonate.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Monotof1 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

I would have explained the parametric resonance part as following: When pulling the rope at the midpoint you increase the potential energy by moving the weight straight up, the increase of speed is due to the conservation of angular momentum. When elongating the rope at the highest point, the change in height and thus in potential energy is smaller due to the angle compared to the gravitational field. This diffrence in energy between pulling and releasing adds energy to the system. This energy is constantly exchanged between potential (at the highest points) and kinetic (at the lowest point), so as more energy is added the pendulum goes higher and swings faster. What do you guys think about this?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 4 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/StevenDevons πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

It'd be interesting to come up with an experimental design that can separate the angular versus radial contributions to the pumping efficiency move on a swing.

Maybe 2 perpendicular linear actuators on a rigid pendulum would do it.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/I_AM_FERROUS_MAN πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

I make springs for a living so might be able to help you out with some big boys! That said what about gas springs for something body weight sized?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Static_Rain πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

Steve, Thank you! You and Destin Sandlin do a great job sharing the observational discoveries that you stumble upon from your everyday life. Just like your video on "Bizarre liquid jets explained - the Kaye effect", https://youtu.be/WC6tjcDOShU. Or even the Chain Fountain and Mould Effect. And when Destin asks his question about "Strange water phenomenon", youtu.be/p7EiT9tKiig. And then does a follow up over five years later to give in depth explanations with his video about "The WALKING WATER Mystery", youtu.be/KJDEsAy9RyM. There are many more examples. Your work brings a little extra joy into our lives! Thank you!

p.s. Near the end of your Kaye Effect video you state, "So next time you notice something strange, dig a little deeper. You might find something amazing. And share it with me, because I'd like to make a video about it." Well, a couple of years ago I noticed an interesting crystallization in an oil blend. It would make these cool porcupine balls of crystals. Not something I would expect in oils. Cool to see. I think they call it lipid crystallization. If you're interested in doing something with it, I'd be happy to share details.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Soil-Architecture πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 19 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

https://youtu.be/MUJmKl7QfDU?t=339 at 5:39 I actually believe that you still add energy when you lenghen the string because you let gravity pull the weight instead of countering it. Like if you used the Height of the weight as Potential Energy. Am i wrong or Are you ?
Love what you do btw !! thanks a lot :D

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/sly3x πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

Thanks for this awesome video! I made a game based on this (physics with spring pendulum) but I didn't know what parametric resonance was, why it worked, or how to really explain it besides intuition. This knowledge will help I'm sure! :) It's by no means polished but If you're interested, here's the game in question: https://evn.itch.io/chains-chars-clj

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/EvanBindz πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

Anyone else notice the stand at 3:10 rocking when he pulls the string.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/I_Am_Slightly_Evil πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies

is it an illusion that, when you just use the rope and pule, it looks like what I imagine is the exact opposite to "The Mould effect"?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/riksten πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Feb 18 2022 πŸ—«︎ replies
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- This video is sponsored by Wren. I was working on this video where I needed a weight to bounce up and down on a spring. So I set that up, ready to record, and then it just started misbehaving. It wasn't bobbing up and down, or at least it would for a while and then it would switch to swinging like a pendulum. And then after a while, it would switch back to bobbing up and down. And then it would go from bobbing up and down to swinging like a pendulum. Again, it would just go back and forth between these two things. It didn't do that if I changed the mass a little bit or if I changed the length of this string a little bit. So it must be that just by chance, I chose a combination of length and mass that made this thing happen. And after a bit of research, I figured it out it's something called autoparametric resonance. What's autoparametric resonance? Well, I mean, what's parametric resonance? Well, I mean, what's resonance? (gentle pipe organ music) Resonance. We talked about resonance before on this channel, and my absolute favorite way to explain resonance is with a flame tube. And not just because it's flashy and I'm flashy, but because I actually think it has a lot of explanatory power. I'll leave a link in the card and the description to that video. But actually for the purposes of this video, the more instructive explanation is the traditional one. The explanation that uses a child being pushed on a swing. Resonance happens when you're adding energy to a system and you're doing it at just the right frequency so that the energy you put into the system adds to the energy that's already there. In the case of a child on a swing, it's because you're periodically pushing the child and that's adding to the energy of the swing. In other words, every time you push the child, the amplitude of the swing goes up, but that's only because you're getting the timing just right. The frequency of your pushes matches the frequency of the pendulum, that is the child on the swing. If the frequency of your pushes didn't match, then eventually you'd be out of phase with the swing. Like you'd start off pushing the child at the height of the swing, but eventually at some point, you would end up pushing directly against the child at the low point of the swing, and at that point you'd be taking energy away from the child. So resonance is when you get the timing just right so that the energy you put into the system adds to the energy that's already there. It's like with this vibration generator that I've attached a little bit of ruler to. As I slowly increased the frequency, eventually I reached the natural resonating frequency of the ruler and the amplitude goes up. In this case and the case of the child on the swing, the way you add energy to the system is really obvious. You're just shoving the thing repeatedly, but there is another way to do it. Take this pendulum setup, for example. Can I without directly shoving the mass get the amplitude of the swing to increase? Well, one thing I can do is lengthen and shorten the string by tugging here. Watch what happens when I shorten and lengthen the string at just the right frequency. The amplitude of the swing starts to go up. Actually it's quite dramatic. You'll notice that the lengthening and shortening of the string happens at twice the frequency of the pendulum. So like the pendulum's going one, two, three, four, but the lengthening and shortening is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. This kind of resonance is called parametric resonance because I'm periodically altering one of the parameters of the pendulum; in this case, the length of the pendulum. Pendulum only really has one parameter. I mean, the strength of gravity is another parameter, but that's really hard to vary any reasonable frequency. You might think that the mass is a parameter as well, but actually the period of a pendulum swing is independent of the mass. So, how does lengthening and shortening the string in this way cause the pendulum to swing higher? Well, of course, it's all in the timing. And to see at what point the string needs to be lengthened and at what point the string needs to be shortened, have a look at the trajectory of the pendulum. It forms this figure eight shape. So that must mean that the spring is at its longest at this point and at its shortest at these points. When you begin to shorten the string at this point in the swing, well, that's also the point in the swing when the pendulum is moving at its fastest, which means it's also the point in the swing when the tension in the string is at its highest because of centrifugal force. So when you shorten the string, you're doing work against that tension. You're doing work against centrifugal force. And so, that work adds energy into the system. You can see the effect of that work because the pendulum speeds up. It's like when you're swinging a ball round on a string and you shorten the string, the ball speeds up. The same thing happens here. And as a result, the pendulum swings higher on this swing. You then lengthen the string again at this point which actually removes a bit of energy from the pendulum, but not as much energy is lost as the energy that you put in. That's because when you lengthen the string, the work done by the tension in the string isn't as high because the tension isn't as high. That's because you're only working against the tension due to gravity not centrifugal force because at this point the pendulum isn't moving, so there is no centrifugal force. So the net effect of a large energy gain here and a small energy loss here is a net gain in energy. And so, the amplitude of the pendulum swing goes up. At this point, I want to clear something up about swings. Like you might be thinking that something like this is going on when you pump a swing. Perhaps you're raising and lowering your center of mass on a swing when you pump it, which is equivalent to lengthening and shortening the pendulum. And in fact, you can pump a swing in that way and increase your amplitude like you can see me doing here. That does seem to be some sort of secondary mode of vibration there. Ignore that. The point is the typical way of pumping a swing, which looks like this doesn't have anything to do with raising and lowering your center of mass, though I have seen that explanation online, instead it's to do with the transfer of angular momentum, which I won't get into in this video. But as you rotate your body forwards and backwards, that imparts angular momentum to the swing. So that's parametric resonance, but what about autoparametric resonance? Well, with this set up, the pendulum also has variable length because of the spring, but unlike the pendulum where I was manually changing the length of the string, I have no control over the shortening and lengthening of this pendulum. In this case, that's controlled by the spring. It's a combination of the spring constant and the mass that gives you the frequency of the lengthening and shortening of the spring. And remember, if you want parametric resonance, then the driving frequency needs to be double the natural resonating frequency of the pendulum. So, if we want the spring oscillations to drive the pendulum oscillations, we need to tune the mass so that one frequency is double the other. And that's what I must have hit upon by accident when I was playing with the springs and the masses for the other video that I'm working on. Something really beautiful falls out of the mathematics. Like the equations aren't super complicated. They're not super simple either, but they all cancel out to give this lovely relationship. If you look at how much does the length of the pendulum extend when you release the mass, if the extension is an extra third again, then you end up with parametric resonance. It's interesting to note that energy is conserved in this system. So, as the spring oscillations power the pendulum oscillations, the spring oscillations lose energy and eventually you end up with just a pendulum. And then the same thing happens in reverse because as the pendulum swings, it changes the length of the spring, well, the pendulum starts to power the spring oscillations, again, until all the energy leaves the pendulum swing and you only have spring oscillations. And so, the oscillations go back and forth from spring oscillations to pendulum oscillations. This is actually really reminiscent of two loosely coupled pendulums that have the same period of oscillation. Look, this one starts off oscillating, but because of the way they're linked at the top, it slowly drives the other one until all the energy is gone from one and is transferred to the other. And then the same thing happens again. Energy transfers all the way back to the original pendulum. And so, the oscillations go back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth. This isn't an example of parametric resonance by the way. This is just your good old-fashioned bulk standard driven resonance. Just because it's fun, here's another example of a loosely coupled pair of oscillators that actually looks like just one oscillator. Well, it's probably more correct to say that there's one oscillator with two modes. Specifically an up and down mode and a twisty mode. You could call them translational and rotational modes if you're being fancy. This is called a Wilberforce pendulum. And look, you can see that it switches back and forth between two modes. Why does it do that? Well, when you stretch a spring, it naturally wants to untwist, which causes the mass to twist. So, as the spring expands and contracts, the mass twists and untwists. And because the frequency of the spring oscillations matches the natural twisting frequency of the mass and spring because I fiddled with these screws until they did, it eventually transfers all the energy into the twisting mode. Then the same thing happens in reverse. The twisting and untwisting repeatedly loosens and tightens the spring causing it to lengthen and shorten. Eventually all the twisting energy is transferred back to up and down energy. This is another example of autoparametric resonance by the way because when you twist and untwist a spring, you change it's spring constant, and that's one of the parameters of the spring oscillations. What's interesting about this coupled pendulum setup is that the transferring back and forth of energy is just one mode of operating it. There's actually a stable mode as well. Actually two stable modes. There's this one where the pendulums are swinging exactly opposite each other and this one where they're swinging exactly in phase with each other. Compare that to when the energy's being transferred back and forth between the two pendulums, you'll notice they're actually 1/4 out of phase with each other. So, if they're exactly in phase or exactly out of phase, you get a stable mode, but if they're 1/4 out of phase in either direction, then it's unstable. If these pendulums have stable modes, we should expect the spring pendulum to have stable modes as well. And in fact, it does. Here's one where it goes higher in the middle and here's the other stable mode where it goes lower than it normally would in the middle. And in fact, the Wilberforce pendulum should have stable modes as well. Here's one and here's the other. I did think about setting up an actual swing, but where there were springs instead of ropes or chains, and I looked into it and the size of spring is starting to get into dangerous territory. Like a garage door spring kind of territory. And those things will take your arm off. So, I decided against that in the end. And I don't recommend that you do it either because, yeah, those huge springs, they can hurt you. So instead, here's a Lego man on a tiny spring swing. A really cool thing here is that if you look at the mathematics, well, eventually you drive an equation called a Mathieu type equation. And it's this equation that predicts the instability of the spring pendulum. But interestingly, it's the same equation that predicts the stability of the inverted pendulum that I showed in a previous video. It's a really old video. I also mentioned it in a more up-to-date video about inverted liquid pendulums. A link to both of those videos in the card and in the description. 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