We Might Be Drunk 58: Jim Gaffigan & Lagavulin

we might be drunk we might be drunk as long as we are hanging out you know we might be drunk raise a glass let's talk [ __ ] pet peeves wrecks and a bit maybe drunk we might be drunk yeah welcome to the comedians inspired by uh jerry seinfeld and dave attell i am the co-host wait which one is jim gaffigan i don't know comedy anyway the more robotic is more like uh is more like seinfeld and then the the self-loathing that is uh you know it's gonna be really interesting to see what you guys look like when you grow up because it's gonna there's gonna be you're at this point jim should i let you guys talk we're up 38 so it's not like you don't look a day over 37. i'll take it no but like there is going to be a point where in your comedy generation take it i'm 74. and there's going to be a point where you know you know what i mean maybe it's not youtube but like maybe it's someone where you're like that guy or that gal was completely normal and now they're bonkers oh yeah right a lot of that now covered covered revealed a lot of that as you said and you're special right yeah yeah it's a lot of crazy out there yeah yeah then it's getting wackier i think the social media that's staying at home and just reading horrible [ __ ] all day it changes a person yeah it's crazy anyway that's the episode [Music] all right well we should introduce one of my favorite comics uh thank you for coming coming straight from the view jim gaffney well i went to the view then i got my booster wow which i mean obviously it's all you know uh fake anyway but no i got my booster so they they're like can you hang here for 15 minutes and i'm like yeah and so then i just left because you know why because i don't pay attention to rules hell yeah you're really faded in the cab and i was raped which was really bad so i gotta go uber so what are you guys drinking and what are you trying to make up for um so much uh drinking lagavulin pd nice scotch it's a it's a special scotch the seinfeld is a special car for a special guest we do the same thing with alcohol oh you do a different a different drink oh we've got mai tai eggnog bourbon you name it everybody so how do you decide like do you guys know about booze you know about different boozes we know a little and how much there's a little bit of an old soul in both of you guys mm-hmm you do i think yeah even when i am old no i mean i remember your first half hour on comedy center and i was like this is a joke guys huge yeah now i heard something weird about you and tell me if i'm wrong um you wanted to be love it you wanted to be a tellish and then you end up being reganish and then geraldo wanted to be real she wanted to tell us you and you know like how you guys are lovers geraldo and i were lovers ah and uh no the you have these comedy kind of and i know that there's other people in your group so i don't want to alienate them but but uh geraldo really wanted to be like regan and i really wanted to be like a tell and uh there was kind of this shift that occurred and uh you know he ended up doing the roasts and um and you know some of it is like it's you find different levels of authenticity right and it depends how it changes and how your heart's broken yeah i mean i think bill burr was clean as a whistle in the beginning was he billy burr yeah he was well i know him as billy burr which is really interesting like there was something of like i don't know if you've known anyone that's kind of like had a gender change like where you're like now they're they yeah and so like like build billy bill was a little bit of that oh really it was like i had to catch myself out of respect you know what i mean right now he's this massive powerhouse huge yeah he totally found himself yeah but now he's going through all this therapy and he's taking shrooms it's everybody's finding themselves and changing seems to be in therapy right now oh yeah but haven't they all you know what's weird is like you guys are drinking i feel as though this is therapy there were there was less drinkers i mean there was always like a towel you always hear about the coke and the hotels and the hooks yeah i mean but i'm talking about like i'm not talking about like way back i'm talking about you know because in my generation or whatever uh you know like like geraldo and i would get wasted but like and a tell would drink but like louie didn't drink todd berry you know like i'm not saying they didn't drink at all kevin brennan mark maron and it was or it just wasn't in the open like the weird thing is is like uh in this what we do you're like you're performing in a bar yeah essentially whether it's a club or not and you're like this is a sweet setup for after the show i don't know if it's still like that in clubs where you're like show's over you got free booths here let's hang out right yeah i think that's why i became a comic i was like 18. i was like free bo free bar yeah was id me we got paid and drink tickets yeah it was just pushing the addiction but now every comics like yogaing therapy and kaling you know it's all about like neil brennan goes on these retreats where he finds him his dad or whatever it's crazy stuff wow yeah that's that's pretty interesting well it's this journey right we're always it's like but for comedians we're just looking for material do i mean it's like uh maybe i should maybe that inner child has some jokes i could use yeah do you know what i mean that's why i'm having kids you're like i mean we're obviously inspired by you say like sci-fi natal but we're inspired by guys like youtube because you're so observational like you'll you'll put i just watch your new special it's hilarious but i'm like how many minutes did he have on bikers that was untouched like how the [ __ ] did he hit that i know you're going to run out of stuff you milk the [ __ ] out of everything oh well thank you i you know it's like but as you guys know you feel like you're like well that might be it and then there is you know uh necessity is the mother of invention right right is that even the quote that i i think sounds good i kind of said it smart who's the smartest here is it or one of you is like a closet smart person not me not you maybe wait a minute you grew up in new york city you're a reader you're well-read but i but i say we always defer to the jewish person he is jewish he's smart it's like it's like the gay person being creative all right we're just gonna have to say yeah the black guy's athletic the jews are uh you got an accounting degree i assume no oh that was and that was like that you sounded more anti-semitic yeah he said he hated bagel choices you're not jewish i wish i think that like all comedians because it has such a rich history and borch belt i think all gentile comedians secretly want to be jewish i think so too yeah and you know us honkies you at least have a little flavor a little culture you know you're on a farm i'm just thinking about this in my eyebrows i don't just look like i'm on a farm but your your family owns slaves that's true still yeah still owen slater i know so your family you're from new orleans oh yeah born and raised you your family manufactured confederate statues which i think is really weird yeah yeah you guys suppressed poor white people too big time yeah and is your family from new orleans or you guys carpet bag or they're scallywags uh and turncoats no they're from there they're from their wedding and katrina came and they won't leave they just won't go away so they're and are you cajun are you like theo vaughn are you related to theo are you theovon's dad he's my brother no dad was 80. that's true yeah maybe we had material about that yeah but new orleans is not that weird i mean if you go it's like a little city but then you go ten minutes outside of it and you're in the hoot nanny it's crazy right it's toothless it's camo it's it's but that's new york too you're 20 minutes outside the city and you're like what the hell but you grew sam you grew up in the city in the city yeah the rough and tumble city did you go to bronx science or something no we've talked about it's browning really yeah oh yeah browning that's right see come on that's smart that's smart rough and tumble you grew up in chelsea and then and then upper east yeah it's like i think it's amazing how like you have conversations have you ever had this with comedians where you're like you're like yeah we drove to pittsburgh do you remember that and you're like yeah kind of like you should remember an eight hour eight hour all right and you had a great conversation you did a show you had a meal you got drunk drove back and you don't remember any of it all right what's your favorite city to perform in i mean i love it it also depends on the club yeah i mean i love i was gonna say comedy on state because of that yeah that club and you love the the owner's daughters you're very inappropriate you wanted to get all chris knowth on them a friend of mine i don't know what to say ah peloton yeah that's tough what uh so that's a great club yeah i performed there that's a great club that's a classic i mean great little town too madison's underrated city is big chicago is just always on yeah acme in minneapolis is good yeah that's the dc improv the dc improv was my favorite i've never done a weekend there have you ever really yeah great room low ceiling tight i love a club in the heart of the city like philly helium right there in the city i hate when you got i just did in the milwaukee improv shout out great club milwaukee and has an improv just open oh in august and it's a good club staff was great in the third ward or where is it oh you wish it is in the 15th ward it is out by uh you know i was in kenosha i was open for rittenhouse it's wild but it's way out there what you did those clubs are like you've been a road guy for like how many years yeah you're 40 50 years me and joey diaz were out there [Laughter] um no i did a lot of uh road stuff actually initially when uh people were doing road gigs around i only stayed in the city but i didn't really get set so it was kind of uh i would do gladys comedy club whoa i would do that that was at hamburger harry's where's that that was on 45th street wow damn and then um where else did i perform gotham was the place that really let me go on the 21st street gotham yes that was a cool room that was a cool road that felt like comedy in there but i didn't really start touring until uh like i middled for a tell like when he would do the dc improv and i met like the dc improv and i'm sure it's still the great club was a great club it was like the wait staff was cool and um it was just you know like i feel like dc is one of those cities where people are over educated right and underpaid yeah they're like we can't do anything but go to a comedy show right i mean totally yeah yeah great town uh opening for a tell yeah he was drinking i assume he was but you know like the weird thing is i used to i used to you know like the attel this is kind of goes back to what i said it's like there's these these aspects of these comedians that is it more mystique than anything do you want to hear my larger theory is that comedians are all an identity crisis every single one of us so in other words some of it is who we're we're told who we are yes by the audience and by other comedians it's just how we come across like i come across as very handsome no i come across as very white bread right very midwestern but the reality is i you know i grew up middle class uh you know i went to college but that's not to say that i'm not you know like the the white trash stuff it it isn't far from me you know i mean it's like it is part of who i am you know i did collect beer cans as a kid right so but the thing about a tell is that the the attel i knew and not that you ever really know comedians except for you guys have made love that you never really know comedians that well but a tell was this workhorse oh yeah he was you know he might have a beer to unwind but he was not like shit-faced every night and he's a cute jewish government long island yeah that was this gruff kind of blue collar yeah but he was yeah so he was like this brilliant jewish kid from great neck or whatever it's like and but like the uh the kind of like uh the bowery boy thing was i felt like it was and i used to give him [ __ ] i'm like you're like this smart kid from long island and he's like yeah you're just being nice right but like but he became that in a way do i mean and that's also you know i didn't you know obviously he did struggle with drinking and obviously he smokes too much and stuff like that um but so i'm simplifying it and i don't know all the details but it was well you got to have a thing when we were in dc yeah like he would he would go out for a drink but he was like the attell i knew was like he'd go and even when he was writing things on come at comedy central he he would i would be like i'll help you out you know just i'll just hang around and he was he was very kind of uh he would never stay in a place like he'd go to a car he'd be like you want a beer and i'm like uh sure and then he'd be like i'm gonna go and you didn't know it wasn't like he was being rude he's like a bodega cat you kind of yeah he's kind of here and then he's gone you know yes but like the one of the i mean i think one of the best comedic minds but also a really sweet guy yeah you know totally we love him he was not like uh you know like i mean i don't think i've ever seen him walk by a homeless person and not yeah yeah money and there are a lot of them in the west village he is the only person still carrying cash in the west village yeah he pulls out a wad i've also never seen him eat have you seen him once because i used to do the road with him a decent amount i remember he we pulled over driving back and i saw him take like a sausage biscuit out of a gas station i took a big bite and i was like man i've never seen them eat that's so funny have you yeah we went to keene's with him that time we you've seen the media at a burger you've seen me i don't know it's rarely i think he put it in his pocket and left but you you you know you guys know and i don't know if you guys but like i tell there was a time when he would have i'm not kidding a new 20 minutes oh every night it's unreal every night and he would just like i remember the second time so there was back when letterman was a big to-do and obviously so like there's the and i i call them classes but generations like the class right above me and geraldo and trying to think of who else would be in there ian bagg um bonnie mcfarlane uh they were just like they would decimate and there were these people that were but they were the new comics getting all the spots or getting the the spots when someone would go out of town but like the reason i bring that up let me see if i can remember is that but he would have the this new material every night so when he did letterman he did it was a big thing like i think that todd berry was the first one to do letter really it ended up just working out that way so all these guys were great barry uh marin you know kevin brennan they were all like of that same and louis and so but like a tell was the one that they there was a new york times article that identified him as the new mel brooks whoa he was on he was on this 30 under 30 30 uh artist list in the new york times and there wasn't this uh [Music] you know like the the journalism that that is focused on comedy obviously we know it's a bigger deal in the uk the journalism on comedy thing but like there was no journalism on comedy so they would the new yorker the new york times and the new yorker every two years would send someone out to follow a couple comedians and they would you know it would depend who they followed so sometimes they would follow a tell or sarah silverman and sometimes they would follow someone who really wasn't in the scene ah so like you know like when you read a a review or an article about a comedian you're like this person doesn't know comedy yes they're not even they're they're not even scraping the surface of what an audience responds to to this comedian they'll follow someone who's like an it kid or something but they're not they're not doing the work or they'll even kind of or an actor they're kind of yeah they're just like oh this is just somebody who uh pedals and tabloid stuff yeah but uh you could argue there's too much comedy journalism like hey relax we got it right yeah it is it's in have you guys performed in the uk because the uk it's it's um it's kind of part of the fabric reviews and um they say that edinboro the reviews are what get you seats yeah it's very it's it's weird it's almost like the uk and obviously this changes all the time you know and i'm sure even in your time doing stand-up it's changed you're like wow can you believe this club that used to be up here is now down here stand up new york it's no or like next trip or just you know the comic strip is where i started so it is weird like to see it kind of do this you know i mean and it just it it moves also with uh you know the management of the club and also like how that club is run like if it's not a true uh showcase you know if there's also just geography of where people live yeah you know uh it can change but you would have that with hbo remember hbo was the top tier you couldn't get any higher than hbo special yeah and i'm not saying hbo is nothing but it doesn't feel like the most eyeballs are there yeah comedy and by the way i remember like you know hbo was definitely the most prestigious thing but i remember i mean i was very fortunate because beyond the pale that was comedy central right that was comedy central and that was during this period where um dorm rooms so like when i went to college there was maybe something in the the common area that had cable but mtv was on yeah but but during the time beyond the pail premiered that's when everyone had a tv in their room everyone had comedy central on 24 hours a day and so like people were kind of you know forced to be exposed right right whereas now i mean i don't you know it's like look as a comedian you want to be on comedy central you want to you know but it's it doesn't have the weight that it did god i mean like there's look all these swords and all the the weight of a youtube special you know you two guys did the youtube specials that like there is that independence there oh yeah and so you have to navigate your own path and in some ways it's shifting so like even if someone asked you like hey that youtube special how'd you do that what what'd you do it's like even in the year it's probably shifted where you might be like you know what now i would do this or that or you're gonna get some money here or you're gonna have to uh you know and you've got your netflix special so it's like it's this shifting thing but that's kind of i mean i'm glad to be back with netflix i'm dying to see how the numbers do because you don't know you don't know it's a gamble i only got the netflix because of the youtube success so then you're like well maybe i should just stay with youtube so it's this weird juggling act of you're like i don't know what's more beneficial for my career it's i mean it's a lot of people i really respect i remember when i did the youtube special i talked to people who you know i really respect who are like you're an idiot if you do this like you're done who are like you can't ever give it away for free yeah so so that was but then also it's like what is a special but kind of a trailer for yourself on the road so yeah i was kind of well i'm done with the material no one really made an offer this is kind of what you do i think i'm not doing this i'm doing this because i want to write new jokes you know so yeah i think i think youtube has has been it's the number one competitor to netflix which is incredible it's like it's not amazon it's not hbo so it's comedy at least it's so interesting because i i had done a couple comedy central specials and you know you're also you know you want to um like people think oh it's money it's never money it's about eyeballs yes and the thing is is that you know the thing about um you know like being new also is you only get to be new for a little bit you got that right like by the way that's a scary reality where oh yeah that's right they only want to write articles about discovery they don't want i mean unless you you know really kind of i mean i've never been a tabloid guy anyway unless you do something outlandish or you're you know that'd be great for your next run you just start doing russell crowe level tabloid [ __ ] no just like i'm just attacking something group and i'm like you can't deal with it but jim gaffigan's edgy trans chunk yeah but it's like it's weird how it's always shifting and that's the business side of it yeah and that's not necessarily again it's not about finance it's about creating opportunities so that you can continue to do it exactly like you guys did the i don't even you don't even need to tell me you did the youtube thing so that you could get asses and seats at clubs so that those people could be like you know what i saw this they can easily share it there is no paywall i mean by the way when i did amazon and that's why i'm so excited to go back to netflix because when my last netflix netflix special was when they were releasing one every week yeah and sometimes twice a week it's a lot and it would appear and it would disappear and so you could get some bump but like also uh you wouldn't get the imp like you know like i remember like i'm i i love nate bargassi but i was like that bastard it's like his special came out in the middle of the pandemic oh yeah there was not much stuff out there so there's a lot of value yeah in when things land like aziz it's like even aziz is special it was brilliant because he was the first one that they owned so they had an interest in promoting it so it was like you know so there's so many other things there's some people think it's like one thing or another it's luck is such a big part of it it's not just yeah it's not a good size the strangeness of timing yeah it's like our business is all about timing but then there's a lot of timing you don't have control over yes but sometimes it's bittersweet because some people put a youtube out too quick it's like you said you can only be young and new once so some people are like oh i can put out a youtube special or an album and they just do it and you're like you could have waited five years you'd be better off but it's too enticing exactly the demand for content has has hurt quality for sure sure yeah yeah it is weird because there is something i mean i i've changed and this is like such classic comedy nerd talk that like we would talk about if we were just hanging out i love it is that and you know by the way seinfeld is like thinks i'm crazy is that you know how long does it take to bake an hour right oh yeah and he's like you know the the english or the british or the irish and the australians they do an hour a year yeah now i think that's inherently wrong agreed but they all stink i don't know what they all think but i don't know you know it's like by the way it's a bit much look whether you liked it or not and i don't want to get down the rabbit hole of hannah gatsby that special that popped nanette was her ninth is that right and i'm like so she did nine and by the way whether you you know wow i didn't know whether you think it's uh artistic piece or super funny super importance from a socio standpoint that was a pretty complete piece for her let's say eighth or ninth and so like there is something of like are we putting and i'm saying this to two guys that can write like to the people that can't write i'm like that's that you know that that's got to be frustrating but like you know we're also workhorses right yeah we are kind of the tell kind of like grind it out the joke is the hero the the facilitator is not as important as the material you know i mean and so i just don't get how other people do it they go hey you're one of those joke guys i'm like what else is are we doing here i'm a comedian like it has to be jokes and you're telling the director you're in the scenes yeah right right i don't get it like what else would you say you sing songs so you just sit well the thing is is i think that i sometimes wonder about that too is that you can do stories but they have to have jokes you have to have jokes yeah and some of it is it's all self-assignment and and we are always trying to evolve you know like when i look at like um like some of these fitness inspirational guys it's like i wish there were people like that just talking about comedy like you gotta come up with another [ __ ] hour you gotta do it you gotta challenge yourself you gotta wake up you gotta go i'm gonna i'm gonna freak myself out i'm gonna say something embarrassing you gotta go up there you gotta embarrass yourself because that's the only way you're gonna grow you're gonna sit there and do food jokes for ten years do that then you'll be a fat [ __ ] ass yeah you gotta get out there and you gotta prove yourself i dare you to do an act out do an echo tonight yeah no i don't wanna do it we might be drunk is brought to you by sheath underwear whether you're worried about having your dick stuck to your balls or your balls stuck to your dick or your leg stuck to your dick it's time to get sheathed let me see are you wearing you're not wearing it man is this not sheath whoops let's take it again this is sheath [ __ ] there it is get some sorry robert sheath is great i i really like this underwear oh i wear it consciously and i'll tell you my girlfriend is like i love that underwear and i'm like 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open mic because i i would see you at bars i'd be like this new stuff is already polished well that's very nice but yeah there's um that's all the wife not much stuff it's no it's it's um some of it it's like i've been doing it for 70 years but some of it is you but you can never know 100 what's going to kill you yeah you never know but like that's also you know it's the risk and the reward right it's like it's like that that crypto ad you know it's like it's that people are so angry about it but like i do think there is i don't know i mean because sometimes it's like also i think you guys would agree your writing has shifted completely like you bring up my wife it's like there was a good five or six years where my wife and i we were writing together regularly i mean we didn't have five kids or five kids in three different schools at the time so it's like you shift and it's like i didn't write on stage at that point and you know like writing on stage doing longer sets is really helpful so like during the pandemic i didn't really write that much i wish i would have but so when i'm doing longer sets and i also would say that when i tour and um you know during the day i'm not sitting there going let's meet for coffee i'm not doing that [ __ ] you know what i mean yeah i'm kind of like first of all i'm tired because i've eaten a steak at one in the morning but i'm listening and kind of like that's my writing time because when i'm home i don't really have that much time the road i get a lot down the road hotel room i love it i love it i love the road yeah it's weird people it's just getting there that's it and getting back yeah but there's something about the piece of the road and that you're kind of like my life's back in new york that's on hold this is all work yeah and i bring up like gary veeder usually so i have a guy just with me who wants to work on jokes and we can just bounce bits at lunch we go to our room and i love the i love the road yeah i don't give a [ __ ] about the st louis arch i'm writing i've seen it yeah i mean there is like it's good to expose yourself to things but it's also you know there is that that strange period where you're wasting time when you're writing that you have to put in yeah yeah you have to sit there like it would be embarrassing to explain how long it took to come up with attack i know i know i heard gary goldman once say you build a special one sentence at a time and it's so true because you'll be on you'll do a five-day road stint and you're like i got that one one line and then you're happy with it you know you're like that worked that was progress it's weird and when there's a bad audience i always think it's so weird when or you're just not it's just not working and you're and then a line just comes out and you're like wow yes i never thought i'd get this line from you [ __ ] people but it took their shittiness to bring it out yes yeah it's weird how about a good crowd can do the same because they're with you so hard you're like i'll throw in another line let's see well i think that's also a big advantage is the familiarity an audience has with your sensibility you increases the intimacy so therefore you're it's a safer bet like i even think like do you remember when like um michelle uh wolf got so much [ __ ] for that white house correspondence thing like i think that was a classic example of people didn't know her right right so like if they knew her i mean they they couldn't look at it as a comedian like as a comedian we're like great writing great performing nailed it yeah but like to these people they're like who is this person yeah that where if it was jeff ross they'd be like oh it's the roast master good point jeremy or if it was kathy griffin they'd be like it's kathy griffin she's a reverend right because it broke her to get your kind of discovery from a lot of people you're totally right it's it's the unfamiliarity so when you do perform you know in a city that you've been like whether it be chicago or and you have a familiarity they're like yeah let's have some fun let's see what he's come up with lately yeah yeah it is weird when people don't make the connection like i did the joke earlier about yeah i'm for written house and people were like you did you're like what are you [ __ ] not joking but they don't know you so they don't know right norm was the king of that he would go to the espys or he did the correspondent whatever and the crowd's like what the [ __ ] is this this guy drunk is he psycho but the crowd at home is like this is amazing right because we know him yeah do you when you were doing the first new hours you did the half hour but then you're on the road headlining and i know you have fans because that half hour was when comedy center actually like people would watch it yeah but you didn't have the fans you have now so that next hour was that what made you be like oh i got to flush all this well the you know there's also um you know like there's you either get too much respect or none right there's no in between right you're either like oh i don't know if i should be invited to this or you're like no i can come in and watch i'm a comedian i can watch another comedian they're like i don't know who the [ __ ] you are yes and so um i would say so after my f my half hour at comedy central which i did the same night as geraldo yeah and um were you on the same crowd we are on i think we're on the same page no no he did he did uh earlier show i did the later show but him i wonder if it was the same crowd i mean obviously you guys met him but like he had this likability thing yeah where it was just like you know he got me into clubs on long island like they'd be like who's this guy and they're like he's my friend i'm like i don't know how to talk to people and um but so he'd has he did like four half hours because he was in development with comedy and i was like i want to do a second one i want to do a second one they're like nah that's all right and like what they told me is that my half hour was doing well enough oh talk about broken logic i was told they're like yeah we don't need it enough people are watching your old one we don't need another one i'm like that doesn't make sense yeah well now we'll air the office uh for 48 straight hours this was back when they used to just you know like comedy central used to you know like if you had a special on there they would air it four times a day yeah wow four times a day i remember you talking about those colleges that was one of them so yeah like that's where i discovered you it's really true yeah you know like people just getting expo and you're like what yeah and not just seeing it once seeing it twice right and so um but so i was trying to get another half hour and they were like no thanks we're all right and there was no other bets and like hbo so then i only got the hour because my manager at the time was partners with a guy that had been in uh ron white's manager who was part of the blue collar thing so they were buying these blue collar you know specials is that murray mcmurray no alex murray is my manager mcdonald mcdonald that was it and so he he essentially got me my special i mean i got like no money or anything but it was just to get the hour so which one was that beyond the pail oh game changer but but so like i do think that even the fact that i had and that's similar to letterman like i was the last of my generation to do a late night show back when they were really important and um like i just couldn't get out of me yeah i was the last in my friend group i mean everybody's been on it but me and i remember being like am i [ __ ] like this is killing me am i crazy yeah but once you got it you were ready once i got it i hate first time i did conan i like i look back i still like the jokes i hated the crowd it was tough to wait that long to get on and then and my second one was to this day the best late nights that i've ever had but uh that's the thing about those late nights is the crowd is everything and i feel like letterman always was high letterman it was no better amazing because there was a gamble it was a uh because that was a tourist destination people would get tickets i went and would go to new york city because they got letterman tickets so they were that was the show they were just like they just wanted to be at the ed sullivan theater so it was like the easiest crowd in the world yeah if anything you had to stop applause breaks because there's the the uh you know the applause people would be like i got seven applause rex i'm like i think we're going for laughs [Laughter] yeah but it's funny the juxtaposition of like you go from these grimy bar room smoky rooms are getting heckled and bombing and then you bring that same killer act to this easy peasy you know shoe-in show and you get to be a star for six minutes it's weird because it used to be um the people i mean now it sounds like i'm making this up but like the people that would go to comedy clubs were not the same people that would go to the letter right right of course now i think it's become much more um like stand-up comedies become more domesticated yeah that sounds like [ __ ] but it's like it used to be just kind of the weirdos like the comedians it's now it's a middle-class occupation before it was like it was degenerates and yeah and misfits you're in a basement all night yeah yeah it was weird talking about your dick or whatever yeah the late night so you first time you did letterman how did you get it i got it um because i think i had got i mean it's like talk about like no respect and then too much respect so i auditioned for letterman and conan the same night and they oh here's how i got letterman so they had this idea this is back when it was um this you know like eddie bro wasn't there it was and they had an idea they wanted to do a premier week they would do a comedian every single night so it had to be their network premiere so because i had never been on a late night show i had an advantage right so all my friends who had done i mean like ian bagg had probably done conan 10 times wow really yeah and you know geraldo had done all the stuff all these things and so because i hadn't done it they um that helped me get it and so i remember that week who else was on but that week i think a lot of the comedians bombed so a lot of the comedians didn't do that well and uh because i feel like i mean i honestly i mean i was so ridiculous i like after a year i was like i should be on letterman i mean i should definitely be on letter i'm better than that guy yeah i didn't say that out loud hopefully we all do that but uh so it's shocking how long it takes oh yeah because you see your progress like no one else does but you're like i've been killing i'm doing this many sets a night i'm killing no one notices but me so you start to feel like a crazy person tell them well you are a crazy person yeah it is it's such an insane pursuit and you can't explain it to people like what are you doing and i used to be like i do this and i get paid when i get paid i get eight dollars [Laughter] what are you talking about the bills are crumpled up right a guy hands it to me in a handshake yeah he resents me for having to be paid right and the cab ride is 10 to get there yeah i have to chase someone down yeah they're annoyed that they have yeah it's uh but we have the luxury of doing it now well not i mean we've been doing it 15 years or whatever but now comics can say i'm a comic at a dinner party and other people go cool but back in your day in the 40s it was like hey yeah no you know what does that mean what do you mean you were definitely someone who was mentally ill or the question was have you been on tonight yes exactly if you hadn't been on the tonight show it was the equivalent of uh you know saying that you were not you had an uh a novel that you wrote but you didn't have a publisher yeah yeah yeah insane did your first letterman did they tinker with the set a lot were they like you can't say this you can't say that did that no because that happens with us a lot but that that happened later on later so once you were already established they're messing with yourself isn't that weird yeah they trust you after a few sets that was that happened later on and then i was yeah no they did trust well it's like i don't you know like you don't know what was going on there but i do know that you know letterman would be like what the hell was that guy saying um do you know what i mean or if it was they you know dealing with uh you know with the network criticism of filth right right i mean that was like letterman and conan doing sets on there definitely made me uh again these these were important shows like that could you could sell tickets like show people would i mean this is before twitter you know what i mean it's like crazy you would uh so if you were on letterman you could sell out a show at the dc improv wow you know i mean not all of them but people would be like he was on letter yeah and um so like the uh so anyway so getting on conan or letterman they would be like well you obviously can't say [ __ ] yeah you obviously can't say like you couldn't say crackhead whoa so you'd be like all right so you know again you're like all right and what i realized is like when there were curse words in there it was the joke was just not written right not done of course yeah and then i don't know it's so weird it's like this journey of like uh you know there's certain you know there's some people that should curse it's part of their authenticity right good boy it's like is lewis black not supposed to curse is chris rock not supposed to curse it's like of course they should yeah yeah and you don't see chris rock on late night yeah not doing a panel panel yeah yeah totally but it's different yeah i had to fight to get boner on the tonight show really and i fought and it hit and i remember the roots left and i remember going to the booker being like you see you see but boner's a funnier word than erection yeah i wasn't trying to be edgy i was just trying to be funny yeah but i feel like now the late nights are getting really curated almost to death oh they are oh it's worse now and it's weird because it's like you guys have kind of lost your power it's like when i work on a late night set now i'm like this is time i'm taking away because i'm still trying to workshop it and and run it and i'm like i'm workshopping it for the lowest ratings you've ever had and i could be working on my social media [ __ ] yeah which is doing better you know way more views i mean there is something about uh you know [Music] you know it's like kind of like different i'm sure you guys do this it's like you'll like i would say this to ted or todd glass alexandra yeah love ted and um we'll be like yeah crowd was yeah and then we'd be like but it's good it's good to have that it's good to have that because then it makes you you know it kind of toughens you up for um so like i do think that or i used to think when i did those tv sets it was really it was kind of like a a fine cleaning yes of these jokes i agree with fine cleaning but that being said it's it's you know it might also put it to rest a little bit because once i would do it on letterman or conan i wouldn't do it on tv again and so you would never put those jokes in the special i would put them in a special i wouldn't put them on like and again none of these clips ended up on youtube it was just like occasionally on myspace someone would be like he did the same joke on letterman you're like what yeah i got that for america's got talent i'm like yeah i'm trying to not get heckled by the judges dude i'm trying to not embarrass myself in front of 10 million people i'll repeat a joke i did on you know whatever of course yeah yeah and that and those people like todd uh barry has a great uh attitude on that it's like those are like three people out of five million yeah totally but we cater to those psychos all the time well it is like i do think that like people that are passionate about comedy are the they're the most important people right i mean except for your peers they're the ones that like come out uh that that also you know you want to you want to have that influence it's kind of like when you do like when when i used to tour and you do like a road gig and you bring it back to not even the city but like to brooklyn to like some hipster room and they'd be like really you're doing that joke and you're like oh [ __ ] sorry i uh i mean like you get lazy yeah like it's really it's really important i haven't done this in a while but like it's important to do different rooms different rooms yeah you got to mix it up you always have done that i remember seeing you at cabin all those bars yeah back in the day and i respect that i was like oh [ __ ] he's trying to i mean we've talked about this before but like you workshop it everywhere you see where it's not hitting you're like well maybe i can strengthen it so it hits here too but uh i i agree with you on the uh on the commenters how they're important but at the same time i do think it's our nature to like even when you're on stage you see one person like this in the crowd and i focus on them saying like it is also in our blood to just be like that [ __ ] doesn't like me yeah okay absolutely and you go that's dad to me that's just like oh that's my father pissed and not enjoying it but there is something about the um but i do think that like you can get caught up in seeking you're never gonna get everyone i feel like that's true kevin brennan would obsess on people in the audience like what lady what are you saying i'm like dude you were killing killing not not out loud i'm saying in here yeah yeah once you start to obsess over them out loud you're like well now you're ruining it for every other person that's happy to be there you know now and it's particularly in uh you know in a comedy club environment where they're right around you i mean there's also something about i mean i'm totally a nerd about this like where it's you know there are environments that are far more interactive yeah like the conversation stand-up comedy is a conversation and if you're on a stage like a gotham that's a stage but if you're at the seller you're kind of you're you know like people at a union meeting have more authority than you yeah i mean like your stage is this high you're barely off the ground and that's not to say it's bad it's just a different dynamic so in other words it's it's more um effective for people that are doing shorter jokes and also for people that are you know like the seller again i haven't been on that stage in 25 years but like i would do benefits you would pop in i've done the underground i don't you don't you don't like the seller it's not like no it's not it's not that it's that you know it's like one of those things where you know as you guys know you have to protect yourself from like giving your power away yes and so there came a time where i was sitting there and i was like how many spots did i get at the seller oh i only got that oh i got this and i would see my friends and i would be like all right you know what i just want to develop material i want to do it in different places there is also like the i i knew that like i i had done so many so much hanging out i didn't want to do the hang out i want to do my set and leave and this is before i had kids i was like i want to do my set and leave and so there there was a culture there of hanging out which by the way seems it seems great i'm not criticizing it at all do i mean but like the whole thing of like giving the power away i didn't want to do that and like playing the game whereas geraldo was a master at it you know and that's not to say that people are kissing ass or anything like that it's just like i don't want to play that game i want to do my stand-up and then get out of there you're more of an introvert i don't think it's a power thing you kind of just want to kind of you're also i i look at your stuff as like a lot of people that hang out aren't always i mean greg was an incredible writer but not everyone who does that is really focused on writing good points the rare case a lot of people that are hanging out are kind of like the the boisterous type where they're kind of you know they're they're [ __ ] on people and that's hilarious and that's great yeah but you're i think i look at you as a very in-your-head type of like disciplined it's so weird right now like geraldo and i like the fact that he ended up doing roasts was like one of the biggest shocks really he was so great he was a master i think he was i think he's the best ever at it and jesse joyce shout out for a lot of those jokes who is an excellent roast writer writer but like it was one of those things where again it goes back to you know look obviously roasting is an art form it's it's obviously uh if people enjoy it but if you're if you look at it it's put down humor sure and now put down humor look by the way sarcasm has failed hostility all this [ __ ] you can you can you can make it really uh nasty but like i remember i saw seinfeld at the comic strip christmas story a christmas party and that used to be a big deal oh we used to go to that free booze free food yeah and like ray romano would do movies i'm gonna do a movie and you'd be like ray romano did a movie and um seinfeld was like i'm just here he goes uh you know instead of doing stuff like this i just work on my act and it was just like which is perfect jerry because he is this um king of cups yes and so there is something but like the practical side of of roasting is it it seems a little uh waste of time eh maybe or you know not to it's like are you bringing light you know by the way like don rickles beloved by everyone uh you know he he was the master at that too but he had an act but he was also bringing light i don't know that's true i just saw of rickles i believe roasting shirley mclean she was old as hell in this clip so was he he must've been in his 80s and he's roasting everyone in the room and it's cool to see everyone like get me yeah yeah yeah it's rare to see that now now it's gotten so vicious with the rose that the part of it's like [ __ ] what are they are they gonna bring up like yeah it was a delicate touch i was i did uh bob saget had this he bob saget is like has an amazing relationship with everybody in the entertainment industry and he's the nicest person he's the nicest he's a great guy at this benefit he had queen latifah uh you know a lot of range don don rickles john mayer and you're like sitting there and i did a set and i'm sitting next to it and then some i don't know like someone who started the movie industry you know i mean he's got goldwood mayor and so don rickles was orson wells here they walked over and they gave him a microphone and he just started making fun of everyone and it was just like the best i think i think geraldo was an incredible roaster i love i i do think what you're saying is now that with like the pop you know popularity of things like roast battle a lot of those comics are like two years in right they don't have an act they don't have a self-deprecating joke about themselves but they've got five minutes on some dude they've never met yeah and they're going up at the comedy store so that to me that's like but i guess if it's if it's writing it's it is productive and it's a way to get in and for greg it was like the roasts were huge so that was so interesting he was you know you know i have this theory about greg is that you know uh what you have to understand is that like and this is my perspective completely is that greg toronto was brilliant uh and i don't say that in a cute way like he was a really smart guy oh yeah so he was like his parents were both immigrants he got into regis harvard law harvard law columbia scholarship all the way worked for like the biggest law firm in the world gave it all up uh you know to pursue stand up he was so pure at this and and what i think the the amount of failure and humiliation he you know i don't know but like it almost was like it took its toll on him harder because he's like all i do is win and and that was not his personality his personality was not like i win right it was just the track record like he could go into a club he was he was engaging he was not a sycophant he had a confidence and a rapport whether it was long island or or the upper east side he could connect with all these types of people so like when and i was there when he got his sitcom deal and the you know it's more of like how the level of cruelty the entertainment industry is like he had a manager not a manager an agent that was his agent that you know plucked him out of uh uh you know uh montreal and then within two years he saw her at a restaurant and she acted like she didn't know him damn damn and you're like wow i i got an agent out of montreal and uh he left the company after signing me two months later and i didn't get an email didn't that wild this is an ugly business i mean greg you know you talk about how brilliant he is and you talk about the cruelty of of this business but like his humility was you know that always struck me as that like he could talk to anybody and like i was like man that guy would have been a great late-night host when john john stewart leaves a daily show who the hell is better than geraldo well by the way who is an unpretentious liberal which is kind of like what liberals need right now oh yeah with all this woke [ __ ] you need a guy like greg who can keep it real who can connect with both sides of the aisle i mean this is a guy who would crush in cincinnati in kentucky in manhattan like that that is necessary to you know as an entertainer but also as a human yeah no he actually so his he had so many pilots at comedy central that um you know he had a friday night you're better off having a pilot on malaysian airlines at this point but but you know this was this you know comedy central had more weight back then oh yeah but like there was also so he really popped on tough crowd i only did tough crowd twice but like he really popped and he by the way that's that was like one of those things where you know like that combined with the roast because the format of tough crowd was very much a roasting environment yeah it was guys being guys kind of thing ball busty yeah and so there was they canceled um a tough crowd then comedy central begged greg to redo tough crowd without colin disgusting he asked colin colin goes fine he got [ __ ] for it they so there was that that didn't work there was also a talk show that i wonder if i did a guest set on it but also like how [ __ ] up is that like but like greg's clearly looked up to colin we all look up to colin you know yeah and uh i don't care for her but greg clearly look up to him he's a guest on the show colin yeah and then you're like step in and do the show he's like that's well that's just that's just the stupidity of the business and this is also like he's probably got two kids he's you know uh they're like do this and we've done six six deals with you six pilots but there was a time when he they were gonna do another show he was to be the host of it and they tested and i'm like this is it greg's on his way and um that was when the daily show was really peaking and they were like they're just gonna and there was also a time when there was a power base in comedy central in la and a power base in new york and greg was associated with the la group but the power base in new york was the daily show and i think chappelle and so so the power base in la had less influence i think and so they gave that time slot which is by the way comedy central has so many time slots they gave it to stephen colbert so it's like that close right and that was a great show and that was a hit a great show so yeah you're right it's it's tough but it's so painful that you're like you put in the work like greg did you're right there and and there is a cruelty in this business that like you do have to keep getting up from yeah i mean by the way chappelle was who was also a phenom of phenom and like would uh destroy on a on a kind of otherworld level had sitcom after sitcom after sitcom uh that would fail so it was it was very a weird thing and i remember like you know geraldo he was like i want a tour doing uh headlining and i'm like i don't want to do that i just wanted to be a writer on letterman really so it's like when did that change for you i think i had done uh welcome to new york and then i that experience was so horrible like that's what's weird also about stand up is you you know you go on stage you're essentially writer director producer and then you get in these group settings yep and you're like people like that's good enough you're like but it's it's not yeah and they're like don't be difficult right and so i was like all right i'm just gonna do stand-up and try and get acting jobs and i never got any acting jobs you're in a lot of you're the hemi guy i was not the heavy guy yeah that was uh damn it well you know commercials that was the other white fat guy did that 70s show help you on the road when you're on that yes that's a good show i was very lucky because there was before uh when i was touring before beyond the pale i had that 70s show i had a sex in the city thing and i also had right wow that was a big show what was the uh i can't remember you own another ship my boys too my boys that was kind of after the thing gotcha but but that 70s show was huge yeah that 70s show was like i don't know if you've been to a four-camera shoot it's one of the most boring things in the world but people would come and hang out like young hollywood we were just talking about kurtwood smith and deborah joe rupp and saying how great they both are oh yeah so good it's like insane how good they both are they're so funny yeah and sh by the way it's like did you see her on wandavision like she's still going oh yeah no i didn't she's in everything she was on seinfeld back i mean she's a great character actor yeah and he was also he was in robocop yeah was he also in um uh beverly hills comp was that him i'm not sure maybe he's i don't think he was the first one i don't know he was but he's better than his cop every watch recently by the way it's still so damn good it's such it's such a good movie oh yeah eddie murphy a lot of talent like it's insane how talented he is it's like there's the fame thing yeah and there's like selling tickets but like as uh an actor like it is insane like i i don't get like the the the clumps no matter what you think of it go when he pulls off in that you're like holy [ __ ] i've i've said on this podcast i think he should have been nominated for an oscar for nutty professor i've i totally agree with him yeah i think it's incredible i i love eddie murphy i mean coming to america isn't to me the most impressive performance is not a professor just because like he's playing so many like full characters it's incredible well he's also like the level of uh empathy that he creates yeah you know because you know he's this guy with an ego and he's in here we are talking about but he embodies this this guy that's likable miserable fat guy you're like oh right right yeah yeah i was just watching have you seen that show on netflix the movies that made us and there's one coming to america and they go into how eddie murphy couldn't get any air time on snl and these two writers were like i like this guy's good we should write for him more and they were trying to use him to get bigger and he was using them to get bigger and then they end up writing coming to america together wow but it's incredible that i think the through line of this whole episode is the industry is clueless the industry stinks we gotta come in and write jokes and do whatever but but there's never been a better time you know for yes because you know sure it's diluted but you can put [ __ ] on tick tock and youtube and and facebook and instagram and anything so like thank god you can do all those things after you watch my special dude comedy monster on netflix just came out norma's got a new special too you should watch both of them i mean we're working sam's not doing anything i'm taking a break i just went to a beach in upstate new york you're engaged you got engaged congratulations he got engaged to the christian and you're gonna become a christian now i'm gonna be a christian finally talking about uh we don't do a lot more jesus talking this pod i think that's what's been missing here yeah you go chris i'll go jew we'll mix it up you just want to be a jew really badly everyone every comedian does i'm i love that comedians like us yes that's nice that's about it but yeah well actually the christians uh in america are obsessed with israel so that's true good point the far right loves israel man they're like that's their yeah they really do i heard you guys got bombed recently in israel you see that that was on this podcast let me out before we gotta go i yeah just to skew off comedy yeah you got 17 kids yes i'm thinking about having a kid yeah what what this is this is a bomb drop on the podcast we're getting older and who better to ask than the uh the father of nine here what do you think any uh is it horrible is it terrifying do you hate them do you want to kill them do you like abortion talk you know i think i think i recommend it really i mean it's really hard by the way i've got five of them and uh in manhattan in manhattan you're the most prolific comic and you have uh more kids and specials somehow no i don't know about that no you're more special but close the but it's it's yeah i mean it's taxing i mean i hang out with myself i mean life is filled with misery you might join this is a tough sales pitch for kids right here does the joy outweigh the misery yeah yes okay well i also believe that like people need to do things to evolve uh-huh and i think that you know i'm jordan peterson i think you have to become a monster you have to i wish i could do his accent me too so high yeah but yeah no i think it's a strange thing because it's like it does make you a better person okay but and i think how about your selfishness does it help your comedy i think so i i think also it's uh it's a very abundant universe so like there's also the fear factor yes you're like oh gotta make sure that this person's taken care of but um yeah i don't know i mean look i just did uh you know i was just on vacation with my family and we did disney world which i never want to do again but i keep doing it every two years dude you're by the way if you haven't seen jim's disney world chunk in mr universe oh you gotta cue that up too on netflix because that's another that's one of my favorite specials ever i mean and um you can write all that up but now i feel like um you know that's if you want to feel like you were the symptoms of covet just go to you know walk around disney world for 10 hours so but i do think that that's a sad sight what else are you gonna do with your life true i mean it's you can just live it happily and fun well you don't have to get a pet either you know i mean right you don't have to travel to another country you know i mean it's you don't have to create more material you know what i mean good point so that's a good point i don't know it's got to be the right person you know to have the kid with uh like i think people with disney or goofy and uh that's a tweet comedians are children so is the person that you're gonna have the kid with are they are they a non-child no i mean she's wheelchair bound but other than that she's not going anywhere i got a broomstick in the wheel but yeah yeah all right all right i like that i like that but i hang with my nieces and nephews and the whole it's beautiful and it's great but you get to leave with the kid you don't leave with is the road really hard with kids or is it great great tom papa joke oh yeah you know he goes well you got five kids oh why how do you how do you go on the road it must be a miserable he's like yeah the hardest part is trying not to whistle while i pack come on that's a brilliant joke yeah i mean there is i mean look there is something of uh why you know not to sound like a piggish guy that's why guy play guys play golf right they it's they don't like golf they don't want to get out of the house totally that's exciting joke get out leave family you know it's the goal so the um you're drinking while playing a sport outside yeah and so the uh it is a sport but you know what i mean right right you know it's it's pretty uh it's pretty amazing okay and there's not a single kid that i would trade in but it is i mean look it's scary it's like you're like you hope that the kid's okay the you know you the news the local news becomes really more important oh wow i mean it's like this nomadic life that we lead you know it's not like you know putting a down payment on an apartment it's like you're in you're in yeah yeah you can't flip it in the next two years you can't flip it and you can't sit there and tear it all down but it's it's part of uh growing up i think i don't know well seinfeld is like you know the famous thing of like i don't want to be have kids i don't ever want to get married and now he's like if i didn't have kids i'd be miserable blah blah wow so bill burr same thing i actually heard jordan peterson say the same thing really weirdly yeah i don't say like that's like his meaning for like you know getting older it's like his meaning for life so and it kicks you into gear i know like chris d had a kid he was like i gotta work i gotta get out there i gotta write more and you know louie said the same thing two kids it makes you happy and there's some comics who are like i had a kid i'm moving upstate new york that's true i do a road gig every two months and you're like all right well you're out so yeah so there's that fear too yeah but i think that i think you have to that's where you have to be with the right person that gets who you are you know i mean and that we are children yeah yeah we really are i've [ __ ] myself um all right well [ __ ] this is the best episode of the show ever i think it is man thank you guys for this classic thanks for listening to the geraldo podcast watch watch jim gaffigan comedy monster he's got a bunch of other specials on netflix uh you know seriously one of our favorites you know so appreciate you coming on he takes that every week coming up next wilson vince one of my favorites oh my gosh she's the best really any any parting words any notes of advice any life hack you got anything comedy better now or then when you start your audience is better educated with about stand-up more savvy for sure um but you know i mean i've been hearing a lot more let's go brandon's in the audience so i don't know i think it's the wittiest thing you're like you're you're doing i'm rick james [ __ ] but it's but it's the same it's like it's the that's crazy create your own [ __ ] joke you know yeah yeah but all right we did it i got to go well uh gigs you want to do oh yeah you got some dates richmond baltimore hartford sacramento beacon theater new york please come out oh wow that's in may 9th wow i think it's may 7th actually but i appreciate it yeah pretty good toronto over oh yeah it's it's almost full so please keep moving it and milestone yeah and toronto all that [ __ ] uh columbus miami palm beach back to miami oh not miami uh [ __ ] orlando uh thanks for catching that same [ __ ] uh samurail.com shows all right i'm at a sacramento la jolla i love how you guys have this memorized i'm trying uh kansas city syracuse uh chicago some other stuff mark normancomedy.com check us out check out old episodes are you in chicago when i'm in chicago either in april march oh really you can you can tell everyone do when you do press mention my shows you got it in april just follow jim on every social follow him on instagram on on every tick tock everything twitter and uh you know see him on tour yes the hemi guy one last time [Laughter] thank you so much thank you [Music] so [Music] you

Channel: We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Views: 262,700

Keywords: podcast, comedy, humor, standup, NYC Comedy, comedy podcast, drinking, gotham podcast studio

Id: zMAf4A1Xj34

Length: 79min 48sec (4788 seconds)

Published: Sun Jan 16 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/MpetersGPS]

Holy shit, Gaffigan!

[u/Claymore69]

Sorry did I miss something or did a joke go over my head? Did Sam get engaged to Taylor?

[u/Made_to_crave]

Cracked up when Gaffigan said I don’t know Comedy

[u/jack5603]

I was never big into Gaffigan but I might be missing out because that was a great podcast and he seems like a great guy. Was this recorded before Saget died? If so thats sad, they were just speaking so kindly about him.