We dumped Intel for AMD 2 months ago... So how has it been?

it's that time we're gonna talk about what it's been like getting off of Intel and onto AMD for our workstations so we promise here we're gonna do this after using it for a while we've used it for a while and now we have some opinions about it more so Phil though it's his computer the elite X g27 0qg from viewsonic breaks their traditional ugly appearance of gaming monitors by providing an ultra clean design while still delivering gamers the features that they want most features like a 1 millisecond response time IPS 165 Hertz overclocked display black brushed aluminum stem with tilt and swivel mouse and keyboard cable anchors and customizable subtle lighting to learn more about the XG 2 7z ogq from viewsonic and to see current pricing click the link in the description below so this truly is part 2 of the thread Ripper 3000 series CPU video that we started last year so one of the things that we did when Rison first came out in 2016 was I switched to Rison for 30 days and I went okay so what's it like truly using it because anyone could sit here and run some tests and be like ok here's how I performed and here's our opinion but I'm true unless you actually use it every day in all of your tasks and get rid of whatever you're using prior to that and commit to only using the thing you're reviewing you truly don't know how a performance no matter how much you think you do so that's what we do when there's a new platform that launches and so I did that with Rison we did it with the first-generation thread Ripper Phil had a 1920 that was running really strangely if that makes sense it had a lot of first-generation errors and and weird just quirkiness he was spending more time I feel in the BIOS trying to get the thing to run right but we eventually even just ran no overclock whatsoever simply because of the fact that it was being super wonky in fact the wonkiness right there with the coming back on that was the Intel so we skipped 2000 series throw two per all together and went back to a 99 hundred K because Phil having been in me editing industry for well over a decade now like 15 years right one of the things that's always made editing on a Mac especially MacBook Pro so beneficial is the fact that it has quick sync and intel is able to take advantage of quick sync which really helps with premiere it's what really speeds it up it lets the IGP you become a dedicated encoder for h.264 making it a hardware encoder so one of the things we really had the bank on moving to a 32 core 64 thread crazy overkill processor like this for video editing and general use purpose is that we had to hope that the brute force method would overcome the efficiency method it's got eight well sit what four times 8 16 24 24 times the amount of cores and threads then Intel is gonna give us four times to performance probably not but we're gonna go ahead and test some things here so our major use case here is video editing multitasking definitely sprinkled in some games Phil does a lot of capture when we have added a screen capture some game captures and stuff like that so we do have an extremely overkill PC for a very I don't want to say edge use case because this is more mainstream what we do but let's go and talk about the two systems here the 9900 kay running at 5 gigahertz it's got 32 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance RGB memory it's got a 20 atti gaming X trio from MSI which is a very high-end 20 80 I card power supply know that matters it is a io water-cooled with a 360 rad vs this guy over here so if you haven't seen the build log we did on this it's definitely worth checking checking out this is when we decided to go full on thread Ripper all in so it's fully water cooled using fantex water cooling gear we've got a crap ton of fans in there as you can see we got 64 gigs of ram in here so we do have double the RAM it does have an XC ultra 20 atti from EVGA but this card has our secret BIOS on it so it more than makes up and the fact that some water over that trio and then obviously it has got a 39 70 X 32 464 thread processor so what we're gonna do is we're gonna take one of my projects from back when we're building the studio it's a 4k scratch footage that these are identical timelines they are covering carbon copies of each other so we've got the Intel running the Quick Sync Hardware encoding and then AMV running software encoding this is kind of the worst case scenario it is 4k being transcoded down to 1080p because that is another intensive task so we are adding stress to these CPUs which is exactly one so Intel using hardware encoder with the eye GPU is a h.264 dedicated encoder versus just brute force software encoding so we're gonna click this at the same time three two one cue so you can see we're comparing the start time of media encoder and all that such Wow I'm surprised that opened up faster over here in the Intel if you I know the truth oh yeah 5 gigahertz vs. 4.2 okay so we're gonna do this again in three two one go see the AMD is already up and running so you can see the framerate playback to of the little window right here that says remaining 11 minutes this is remaining 3 it's funny this is like this looks like just a like a gif playback rate and that looks like a slideshow yeah so it's only really using four of them solid and the rest are all sitting in like 20s and 30s some single-digit perform utilization so the 80s about to be done so our actual export time over here and Phil had to go over there and grab lunch from post mates they called this Intel still just going barely past a 2 at the 2/3 mark 5 minutes and 14 seconds look I know that a lot of people probably already anger the J this is not a fair test we know that and we also know that that's that CPU is four times more expensive than this one but this is truly from the workstation type of category of a review where we are time there's money around here time that we're spent waiting for systems like this because right now we can't do anything else on this system like we probably could but it's only gonna slow down the encoding with Adobe it increases the likelihood of an error popping up and then it's just not a great multitasking experience when it's being leveraged like this because the core is being well you can see right here pegged so we can't do anything else with this system right now it is a hundred percent utilized but that is where this is where our use case is we went from this system to this system and this is how the performance has benefited us but I think people might be like Jew if you really want to tell you should be using the Intel 39 or 31 35 X well that one's a thousand dollars more than the AMD one and it would still get beat in this instance because you don't have quick sync oh it's done 10 minutes and 38 seconds versus 5 minutes and 14 it's literally twice as fast plus 10 seconds faster on top of that so filling I've been going back and forth on how to come up with some sort of a background test where we can see multitasking I mean what really are we gonna do when we're not working and making videos around here it's probably gonna be gaming so whatever we're just doing a cpu test so actually because we don't have identical graphics cards in here even if we clocked them the same this is on water this is on air we truly can't do an apples-to-apples comparison on graphics what we're gonna do we're gonna run just the cpu test with x by extreme in a windowed mode not looping or anything we're just gonna compare the scores and compare the render times all right so once it they're both doing this collecting system info that both on nvme drive so we'll I'm curious to see which goes faster okay they're both going to be done before the stupid benchmark starts that still looks just as smooth as it ever did huh whoa look at that one also I think premiere didn't even slow down no all right a cpu score of 13 thousand nine hundred and twenty it almost seems like premier clearly took priority right okay so the cpu score over here but it still pulled a thirteen thousand nine hundred and twenty score while encoding 251 to 259 so it took eight seconds longer while read while doing a times by extreme CPU test giving us a score of thirteen thousand nine twenty where Intel 4600 nine and then code time of two minutes and 58 seconds so it slowed down by like 20 and one nineteen seconds until us 19 seconds and well aware that this is not that scientific I know that this does not have the best controls in place but two idiots like ourselves just clicking buttons and seeing what the numbers are is probably as realistic as you're gonna get to like a home experiment Oh so obviously I brought Phil in because he's the one that's been end-user in this I only recently made the switch to thread Ripper on my particular workstation with let's face it doesn't do much besides play world of warships now occasionally fall in order YouTube videos and orders food and I to be honest I made the switch because of your experience now versus the first time so talk about someone like the the idiosyncrasies the weirdness you were experiencing before Oh unlike the 1926 1920 X just just it be stable one day unstable the next day like needed to change the voltages around it was really picky with RAM and like the stop code it would get stuck on when booting and stuff was different we couldn't even determine what was Adobe weirdness versus the system weirdness now you're using the 3970 X and you've been using it now for like two months so what's that been like I think the best compliment I could give the system is the fact that it simply built in that video I haven't even booted into the BIOS I did that really like oh we know Raisa can go for point two and I left the voltage at stock yeah and then I went do CP on the memory boot done destroy Intel it's kind of funny like some might look at this to go well this is not compelling reason for me to change my 9900 K and that's not the point in this video yeah the point I was asleep like dude for 500 bucks versus what is it what is $2,000 yeah like obviously the 900 cases stem is still a better value for the money but like again if this was an X 299 CPU vs. this AMD it would be even worse yeah it'd be a bigger domination a bigger smackdown because there's no i GPU there's no quick sync on the X 299 CPU you would think the high-end platforms would have all that extra like hardware but no they only keep it on the consumer level stuff but what I can say is extremely different from our experience two years ago as you're not mad at your system in fact I've heard Phillip so many times just sit there looking at a system going kind of love this computer guy this computer's awesome I have no problems whatsoever recommending thread Ripper 3000 series to anyone from just an enthusiast yep to somebody who needs a powerful workstation that doesn't need quick sync it's a don't value add for editors that are you know looking for a processor in that price range if anything what we really demonstrated here right now is how important the GPU is in this our club yeah because that's what really picked up the gap and that is something that has changed since 2018 or over versions of premier where I used to see like five percent yeah five to maybe ten I was so genuinely surprised that we we saw you know twenty thirty percent utilization well in the last test when we were getting to the point where we were in the time remapping and I went to sleep it used the GPU to do all that yep and we saw the GPU code another hundred and that's why it reminded me and I was like oh yeah there's there's separate options for like Hardware encode which is when you're exporting your project to the h.264 that you're gonna upload or whatever right and then there's hardware decode and click sync does both and the MD system doesn't have any of that know and so it's literally brute forcing everything and it's still you know for all intents and purposes in my workflow it's roughly twice as fast as Intel system no no most people would probably never notice that you've been an editor for a long time you know how that works a lot of people don't put together timelines like yours yeah and you know you've seen some other like some other people have mentioned you know that editing on a Mac with like Final Cut and stuff is like super fast and like but it's like but that's why they're also leveraging all of that advantages of like hardware and coding and stuff not only just on a quick cilantro but also on all the GPS in the system so that's why they they're you know cheating just as much as the Intel system is cheating and rendering versus the same be thing but this thing just has so many cores and it's the IPC has gotten so good on Zen too that it just doesn't care if it doesn't work it's stable it clocks well 4.2 is where we have it I mean what really now AMD truly needs it's the clock speed to match the core capacity right yeah we haven't had any weirdness with it you've played games on it you don't feel like you're dropping frames or losing frames I would feel very very entitled and spoiled if I complained about the frame so yeah no but it's a legitimate argument sometimes that rise then like the Zen architecture is not as good as intel's 14 nanometer even high clock speed when it comes to gaming that's why the 99er K is still known as like the dominating gaming CPU but this is that's without what these systems were built for but at the end of the day if you're considering Rison thread river for a lesser expensive workstation orden through is billed for gaming and/or live streaming or just having a massive amount of course to play with virtual machines cuz they'll have virtual how many virtual machines you can set up with this verse isn't it okay right just the things you could do there's more value to it in my opinion even though it's $2,000 CPU but I think we're finally at a point now here in 2020 where I can say you're not really sacrificing anything any weirdness or going okay well I have to accept adopt this bleeding edge tech problem to go with this platform I feel like it's all fixed it's it's a little weird because it's almost like like the graphics cards from AMD were like you know the CPU reliability and weirdness was like kind of down here and then like now it's gotten kind of leapfrog we're like throw dippers this red pepper is just so solid like that's what that's my favorite thing about the machine honestly is that it just it just shuts up and does it and it does it stupid fast and it doesn't even rent the fans up and yeah it's ripped it it basically I just want to kind of come back and finish up the video that we started and say look this has been a really good experience and that's why I now have a thread referred 3960 X I have much more than you but whatever at the time so guys thanks for watching if you have anything else you'd like us to talk about with Fred River I don't think is much more to mention I mean I think our use case is almost a waste for this level of CP a CPC Wow I'm gonna go now guys [Laughter]

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Length: 14min 31sec (871 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 06 2020