WC3 - FFA Master S31 - Semifinal #2

semifinal number two is on the way I got high-tech and sexy by my side who's gonna join the three finalists here today I take leaders in to the new map we have here yeah this is a more classy map compared to the one yesterday so this is how west of sorrow the map created by our good old master and King warp X founder of the FA masters community back in 2003 so he created this map has been around for a long time almost unchanged but obviously for reforged reasons we had to remove the bridges here so initially there were bridges on this map but apparently bridges caused these things now so we don't have bridges anymore but it's a it's a very huge map we do have a lot of gold here we do have some Center mines that can be contested early on there is a golem rune here on two of these spots in the center can be nice to get them for creepin and then we have the markets so markets obviously yeah especially with the items tier six items spell shields and that kind of stuff can be very very strong and yeah you know jump jump in here and first of all it's my microphone volume okay for you for you guys at my loud enough there it's absolutely wonderful for me at least maybe we get feedback in like 15 minutes when the we feel when the viewers can hear you as well but for me it's totally fine okay excellent I want to start off by saying that uh both alien and yonkers am played random and they both randomed in my opinion their best race an orc alien up here with orc and then you anchor down here with orc I'm really happy to see that orc is really good on this map plus it's third in my opinion probably their strongest races I also like that the spawns are balanced in this way where you pretty much know that this is going to be an initial one-on-one and then these two players are gonna fight down here as well so really starting out nicely here in both those regards so for me as a one-on-one player of course I have no clue about the match yesterday we haven't seen any orcs but a lot of chimeras and hippos and gorks and stuff can you just blow them up with bad writers sure yeah of course I mean bats are definitely good when you're facing and good undead player though the combination of both stone form ahead of time and then once the Lich and the dreadlord become level 5 the volley of level 3 frost Nova and level 3 carrion swarm will kill the bats at least if they're not secured linked so you'll see bats die from nuking and avoided by stone form typically the best thing to do with an orc army is to have a mix to incorporate some bats but still have like a wind rider caster torrent type army of course with you know a big torn chieftain stomping the frontlines and then blowing the bats on the light air focusing the wind riders on the heavy air such as the destroyers and the frost worms that sounds like crazy fight I can't wait we have a little different of built by side compared to you yesterday once again was to next okay there's the tech again it was waiting coordinate not as fast as you but still wasn't yeah I'll take it I'll take a little bit of credit I talked to sided a little bit about its kind of build and it's it's a it's a macro heavy build obviously you can build a necropolises instead of you know a standard graveyard in this case he built a couple extra ghouls he also built a shop first so he could get a rod it just slows the tech down slightly the bill that I had yesterday I didn't build a shop and only made four ghouls because I wanted to rush those dragon creeps but this is definitely a very solid build if you're gonna skip themes because he can either go to his necro egg and of course or he can start out with gargoyles but really fiends unlike solo fiends are not very good in free-for-all because once heroes get to level 5 you know once the armies are above 80 food fiends just aren't as effective if you want to switch to err you know neck or wagging something like that sorry to interrupt you but Jonker is having a very hard time oh yeah I've got bolted two times by this by this golem so that's very unfortunate obviously the skull and it's nice to have but to get there you have to kill the golem first and that's not that easy with the plate master so he has to spend some gold on revive should not throw him back too much but it's like it feels bad still so as September and the great master here yeah tough start there if I could talk about the players a little bit more starting at the top Loras I don't know too much about a Lars I guess maybe high tech you can fill in is is he one of the better out of the rookie bracket I mean obviously made the semi-final I haven't really seen many of his games any thoughts on on the blue health I think he has improved most from all the players in the rookie bracket I think his first few games were underwhelming and then he where they caught up and I think it was most active so yeah well we'll see I think he's definitely a player that can take up at fight here but will be interesting a lot of yeah a lot archers to start moving on to alien and the top right random player like I said very good with orc I he's a very well-rounded player I would say good micro good macro good FFA sense smart patient maybe not top of the line at anything but he's definitely very very good at everything so I think he's a good contender that's the win here definitely one of the best players to not have won in MML title yanker is pretty similar in certain ways I think he's he's very very smart he has excellent free-for-all sense maybe better than almost anybody good micro as well better than Neil yeah yeah make fun of me they got the rock golem here for alien and the rock Ola here for frankerz am to be honest side probably doesn't even know about these rock golems I would think but it's a permanent summon so they have stun and it's it's it's pretty amazing so these or players can keep these Rock alums alive you know to add to the hex and stomp combo to basic throw storm bolt you know she'll be pretty deadly I'm a little surprised about the Blademaster in FFA I thought it's a lot about of course the Tec so what's the deal with the Blademaster I do think that Blademaster like oak has serious issues getting damage off because units are just worse for all so all really relies on BET's in order to fight air which you frequently face in in FFA and then you you just on a net like this in particular you play masters with with critical strike is still the best hero that you can stack with damaged items so just stacking the blade master and getting off 400 crits is still like a game-changer and triple or kira with late master is very very nice so we do see arguments first at Ranger first for orc sometimes but blade master especially after they patch back the old crit is definitely the the meta in yeah that that's a good point about the blade master and I think you hit on it there's there's really three choices for first heroes for Tier one I played master Alchemist or dark Ranger depending on the map as high tech noted because of these big markets and plenty of red creeps on the map you can stack the item so well so you're gonna be able to get amulets a spell shield claws plus twelve you know the +4 strengths quest for agility helm of Valor's the blade master is gonna be insane a lot of times it comes down to hero arena in these high-level free-for-all games where the players aren't left with much except for their heroes and of course you know going to be difficult to face a high level blade master tauren chieftain and shadow hunter so I do like the blade master pick here alchemist would have been fine play master is very good on this map sounds good so after this early game you see it's pretty peaceful it's a lot of creeping it's a little bit of expanding site already going for the second expansion here who would you give the ads to so far it's hard to say like usually on a map like this everyone will get to expose pretty early I think they are pretty late already with that second expose and we shouldn't forget that these Center Expos have fewer gold than the other so the center Expos have only 10k gold and some of the other Expos have or 8k sorry even only 8k and the the other Expos have more more gold so it's always a question whether you want to go for the contested Center Expos first or the others but you will get your three Expos before you take the first flight on a map like this or even for Expos so right and and for those those of you that are new to free-for-all the beginning of the game you're pretty much trying to creep out as much of the map as you can and take your share of the expansions and it may seem a little bit strange that these players aren't fighting each other as you see here just basically running by each other right but if you think about it if you start in early engagements it's gonna prevent you from creeping the map it's gonna prevent you from getting bigger items from advancing your tech you know from putting up more expansions so you know an initial engagement is really gonna hurt both players where the other two players will be happy to basically take a larger share or portion of the map now not to say that early aggression is not smart but typically you want to be calculated you know an early aggression is typically like an 80 food army right where you have enough production buildings to jump from 50 food to 80 food quickly and maybe attack around like a 10 to 15 minute mark very very rarely is it to your advantage to attack earlier than that unless you're you know potentially surrounded and don't have a way out or or some other situation like that and we do see lavas contesting the creeps fall here which may cost from a TP year nice rejuvenation there to save as hero potentially so far there's another coil Nova lining up 150 days before sighs oh yeah I think you got the best of a side in that small engagement okay now we got the TP that surprised me quite a bit I mean sight is one of the best solo players we have in Europe so fighting him one-on-one it's not the easiest task you have and that's the thing about these creep checks it's always some players like to go for it others not so much I personally don't like to go for it because you first of all you determine your enemy in some cases so he might be forced to fight side now I I don't believe it's the case with side but with other players they will attack you if you creep check them you force the fight against them and potentially you don't want to you don't want to determine your enemy at this point before you know all armies before you know everything so it's always a risk but he just wanted that experience so I understand why it did that I do think that he's a bit bit scared now as you can see the elf is breaking 50 food is going into upkeep potentially may be planning to defending its side or possibly attack side yeah way too early in my eyes I think it's you really need some bank before you can go up to 80 or against under if you usually want to fight 100 supply I think so I don't really I don't agree to believe you can break any of these players with his first army right so already fighting over these expansions here so if I was the red player I would have gotten this expansion and this expansion right instead of going up here because these are going to be contested by blue but maybe side is aggressively expanding and really trying to take his control of the map and preserving these expansions of course with his micro he could probably do that interesting strategy there to expand into the other player instead of taking what are more like as Naturals it should be easier to defend late-game that's a pretty good point he also expanded very aggressively in the middle pretty early on so we got a lot of lovely YouTube comments yesterday for the first semi-final and what in particular stood out saying like FFA is like the Game of Thrones of Warcraft so if they're a player who is like the little finger who might be a little smaller or bait the others into a situation they don't really want to be in I mean he shot is called Cersei sometimes he's also good also a little finger I guess yeah I guess he's Shan is probably the most of Tori's for that he's you know he's probably the biggest threat in the game as far as someone that doesn't necessarily have the best technical skill as far as micro and macro very smart very cunning he doesn't like to admit as much I mean a lot of players will manipulate and that's part of the game but yeah he's probably got some of the best skills as far as diplomacy manipulation things like that I think site might might be Jon Snow like side is really I thought the same especially when you're not that experienced in FFA you might fall for a beta - yeah that's an awesome person he's super strong though and yeah you would think like he's too nice sometimes for FFA but if you embrace it and if you don't get offended it's also an advantage again so let's see first fight here on the right side between early Dada's and yeah and what is pretty good stop right here that we see the Blademaster already with 177 crits this is only gonna get higher throughout the game second stomp it's pretty much the entire army so no federal storms here so far chad alder barely survives you see the orc picked up a pendant of mana which he has a Shadowhunter which is just insane it's especially late-game once he can span those big heal waves all right it looks like the fight between a ganker and inside is starting as well fighting over this creep yeah police CC is already down there's more Nova and the shadow hunter doesn't have the big pendant of energy so you might fall here as well there's a teepee in the Nineveh potion might pass it oh yeah there was a little bit of healing and now he turns it around with 147 crit the TP this might be a mistake unholy aura Frostmourne hungers oh he's going for the decay oh that's super risky but she's hoping for a lucky crit oh yeah that's hunter at 70 mana right at the end he possibly could have got him there with X and he may lose the the blade master if he doesn't TP in time here but should t be yeah but it's still a waste of gold so let's take a look aside to base you can see the improvement as he's learned from playing the season just with the amount of crypts that he has right he has six scripts to slaughterhouse one boneyard interestingly enough no temple of the Damned I guess necro wagon is not as strong against orc of they're prepared for it but he has enough production buildings to pivot and you see his 50 food multiple expansions 8,000 gold and enough production buildings this is a very solid start macro wise as he continues to creep the map and gather items a player's forces are under attack so alien commented in the chat so early verse the elf player and he was upset that the elf player attacked him so early but now they're both eighty food they're both engaging and we'll see if he can utilize this to his advantage and get these big heroes Oh death Knight died hi I miss that me too I have no idea how that happened but we have a big fight in the north and we see the first bad riders huge stomp again blood loves the driver and we love to see that against the Tinker it's not that easy I guess to keep them alive but as you mentioned before handed off mana on the Shadowhunter that's a huge hell yeah it's purely in queueing Ward healing wave altogether makes it pretty tanky and five upgrades as well love to see status traps and we do see that's a typical issue for elf in the situation like if you don't deal enough damage with your first army onto that walk you like if you break 52 early you just struggle with gold quite quickly and you don't have the hero levels to defend against a stacked light master in this case late moths are already up to 75 damage so with crits a lot of damage yeah he's gonna be told Tommy the off player as we call it yeah Tomek means you just try to get experience as much experience as you can from the player and in some cases even just try to let that player live fairly just to get more experience and right we do see almost experience yeah would you see if I was getting up some a piece here but I don't think that we're ready to do the job we're the never fight in the south where sight was forced to TP out of that so everyone broke up keep now and it's pretty much time for non-stop fight yes I don't think old first yeah sorry Fred no you're fine yeah they'll both fight no someone will eventually peace possibly once becomes a three-way or maybe before that but this should be pretty entertaining I'm glad that uh ganker has ork I think that ork does well verse on dead you know if you're prepared at least and probably give side the best run for his money as work so a large seems pretty crippled as well what is the right time to like move away from the fight and just let him live for a while and rebuild maybe because I could like clearly finish him I guess at this point the move walls are dried is too many IPs to be honest at this point I think in an important game like this it's too big of a risk to keep him alive because you also need to keep in mind you either you decide to keep him alive and get experience of them or you take all of his Expos so that's the alternative so if he kills him now he has access to additional gold two more gold mines so it's just a risk to keep a player alive for too long especially as org if you can get enough gold you will get your levels anyways we'll see maybe sag is going to help him now yeah interesting enough the side is coming up to check on this fight here I didn't see a shade go up there but he's responding to the help call from the elf and that is really good at scouting that says one of his biggest strengths in in FFA he's one of the best players in Scouting just take a look at his dreadlord that's like the most insane inventory I've seen on a hero saying yeah I spent specially if you have a item on a hotkey like a staff a staff of silence is super effective obviously I would like to see another big health item on lych if you could try to find a calculus gem on the Lich possibly another spell shield as well but yeah as heroes were looking very strong another expansion taking out for alarm so it's a really really tough game so far no mercy for the rookie yeah it's just difficult like eventually I remember my first FML game and it's just also because you're just nervous it's so difficult to play your best and then to defend against a player that is just going for it here and this this was an interesting concept that we had this season where there was three brackets as explained that there was a no chat bracket a standard and then a rookie bracket and it was cool at you know the top of the rookie bracket got a chance to play in the semi final each each two competitors but ultimately they are gonna be the weak links in these games and you know it is proven to show that there so they're gonna get really big advantage for alien that he can feed off of the rookie I mean yeah I would say yeah and you always want to look at gold counts as well right like in the top right there and you see that alien is up there with the other two players 80 food you know 8,000 gold but yeah he has the best hero levels right now he has the easiest opponent so as side and anchors start fighting they're probably gonna destroy each other more so where a lien will be able to get more experience without losing much and in addition to that alien took this expansion from the elf player as high tech noted so he has an extra expansion he also potentially could take this one but side just took it so yeah I'd say alien definitely has an advantage so far right normally see the level 5 TC 5 seconds done six I can cool down we all know that so between side of Yonkers now about who breaks first and who's the big aggressor or what's the balance between these two now I think they are aware that alavés is almost dead I mean they also know that Elias is probably a weaker player than aliens so they will not go all-in right now like they their top priority now is to get some experience maybe take some fights but also get some gold and be prepared for the 3-way because suggest looking at seeing psyche and walking up at the top here it's a bit of a similar situation as yesterday with Neutron yeah usually you would not help in a 3-way unless you really have one player that is like just toning him for half an hour but in this situation I don't think it makes sense to really help all of us you would just want to let him be deep and I let him get out of the game or you even help alien to kill him because it's insists it's aliens Tom right now and if your aside for example if you're not as nice as sight is you could also just get some part of that tome and you could also try to get some experience here so these two are trading expert and trading expansions now pretty much one for one oh maybe two for one an Alienist right I hope they're fighting and I mean they don't kill each other yet but there's a penis - oh wow these fats are gonna be you took the garlic's and we see a nice infernal on top of everything it's gonna be a crazy fight with the guards take out the wire and so they will be superior do you see it's a trouble not level six yet not even level five actually so you can - had some good stuffs new bat riders are coming in taking care of all the remaining gargoyles but he doesn't finish the job just yeah TC huge struggle can run away with the endurance or a website it's an endurance hour as well plus the unholy era so he's always gonna be faster and carry informed swarm finishes the job very nice use of the of the step of silence here I thought was second he could have used it earlier right after the TP he could have silenced all the or commie I think that would have been better even but yet he I mean he killed a lot of stuff got the TC so I guess it's fine yeah it was a good good fight and maybe like you said he doesn't not used to using staff of silence quite as much it was interesting that he dropped the infernal item so early in the game usually it's more of like an an ending move but you'll see that you know the purpose of that fight they were both a tea food well now if you look they're both in no upkeep right they're both at 50 feet or less so it's beneficial they gained experience and they're in better upkeep now kind of interesting that a fight can can help out both players in those regards absolutely and we do see temple of dead - temple of the dams here so sides special move absolutely - also the one-on-one competition one of the only players that plays necro wagons against pretty much everything and makes it work and he's really good with frenzy GOx also and that's something we really see in FFA or we rarely saw before sights started playing it so frenzy not-francie ghouls but is the called frenzy what's the only friends frenzy GOx and a lot of anti metrics shell so that's something he's going to go for here yeah and that magic in general seems very very powerful to me maybe not too much in this game but rather yesterday when we had to tinkerers and to pandas all that he gets absorbed yeah it truly is these anti metric shells are very strong he's going for the update getting some banshees also maybe more in the past double race or triple race was a big thing in FFA but it gets you teamed quite quickly if you get buildings of another race so that's why most players don't really do it unless they are very far ahead but it's an option we'll see Godse failing to make banshees in my game yesterday was a mistake of mine obviously the magic shield on my death knight that fell a few different times to Neutron that would have helped a lot I think typically it's not quite as needed but of course Neutron was very good micro invisibility on his Mountain King and things like that they would have came in handy so the another infernal stone besides maybe can end something with that later and another attack by alien into the poor Alaris yeah he's really tolling him to the fullest so that's like combing par excellence is taking his expose he's just waiting in front of his main base he let us down to seven gold so oh wow but I'm he can we can leave you know at this point I would say but and this is much more typical outcome of this game like no one is really like no one will help you if you're the first one to be in that position like there's no need really to help you there's more of a need to finish you off because in this situation he's only like he has some bear still but if alien kills all of these units and heroes it's going to be a nice experience for him so yeah and site knows so how's the balance now I wonder obviously alien is always an upkeep when I get around eighty supply and side and yonkers then we're down to fifty for quite some time to bang is it more important to get the heroes super quick super high or can that goal make the difference at the end I guess if you if you have a band of at least like if you have at least 10k gold and if your heroes are 555 you are prepared for the late game so that's I like I think 10k gold 5 or 5 is a great basis to go into a three-way so in this situation I do think alien is in a decent spot but you will probably get teamed after allowances defeated so I think side is in a really really good spot here so one thing I'll point out when you play free-for-all you want to have multiple town portals a common mistake of solo players or people that are new to the scene will just have a single town portal as you would in solo but of course if you have a large army and you lose your main hero you know you're gonna lose so much in this case a side only has one town portal now granted he has vulnerability potion on his Lich as well but against a good org player there might be a time some point in this game between stomp and hex rotation the death knight falls and it may potentially be a big loss for side and we see a sweet +34 damaged Blademaster already a kodos coming in in the late game while they're just too squishy for FFA really but can be I think they're bit underrated maybe but Oaks just don't have time for that okay so yeah I think he already has warum item as well so we have another infernal here leads to an end of a potion and a hex focused fire so let's see them creates 300 la that's pretty sweet last second and we'll push that 50 HP and now return on the set around truth pretty much out of that fight as well but mana is getting low on so site dropped another infernal just now huh another infernal stone yeah how much is that and then fertile stone at the marketplace yeah I don't I don't love the fact that he's getting infernals right now he's not he's not getting a much better Lee game advantage by using him but it's fine obviously he's got you know 20k gold along with the work they're in a very similar position right now I will say this or work with 20k gold is gonna be better than undead with 20k gold almost certainly the bases are tougher to break with their towers of course you can pump bats your hero levels on dead bases are more like paper compared to orc and human I'd say where they can you can you know could lose your base and have a lot of gold and finally allow this is going to be finished here it's it's frustrating being in that position but yes yeah I mean it's not uncommon to be in that position especially in your first in your first year of FFA he's trying to get up some trees here I don't really think he will be able to survive for much longer yeah he already took another expansion here and for those looking at this and wondering maybe what the health could have done differently here obviously had a very difficult game he chose to break up keep so quickly and attack alien with an eighty food army that the orc was able to scout and be prepared for so you know if you're gonna go for an attack you either want to have the timing be very quick before the orc has master casters or you want to wait and do the hunter food army first org which is gonna be definitely more difficult to defend with but really I think as the elf player if I was in his shoes I would have took as many expansions as I could I'm gonna sat on fifty food I would have played passive wait for someone to attack me hoard gold because elves arming is very strong with gyms and hippos and drew the talents and things like that so if you're forced to defend and you go 100 food you can fight a good work or good undead player but if you go on the aggression too early and don't time it well and you fail on your first attack like he did then you saw he was very vulnerable and you know gave an easy game pretty much to the orc so far all right so now that the north is finished we take a look again at our southern fight with Cyprus and you have them I just wrote in chat that Janka is the current reigning champion is that true yeah he won the season 30 so he's finally I am well deserved he got the title so might be easier to play if you're the defending champion I don't know so interesting here side a hundred food if you guys see that or you have not scouted this 100 of course these towers will hold them off a little bit but uh we'll see if the ORAC will realize soon enough to produce an army yeah he really I'm not sure if this the sentry ward is inside here but I guess you should see it now the new ones range is huge but across an entire screen okay okay now we see that I guess at you seaside is doing here when you're in high upkeep of course it's very inefficient to mine so his acolytes are not actually currently mining right just help position on there until he drops upkeep again which is smart yeah yeah now Jonker is quickly pumping but maybe a bit too late is what's might have been a bit tube to passively placed here so he may have a hard time to vent this will see frenzy worms I love to see that so he only has like one bad rider is that even enough to hold this house the army calm yeah he needs no pets it switches hands I think he's lacking BCR is maybe he has five maybe you should have come for seven or something but well we'll see yes I should be leaving this here destroying the wyvern there's only two towers here so sighs shouldn't be shouldn't be afraid to dive in there so to take off the fortress first five bats are out who knows when some guards lost but you should still be able to take this next bats are coming in and they will put a share for sure bud damn interesting sacred site I hear Sh at the top is about tanky yeah to cuckold jabs alright 1200 help that's nice worms are about to drop a swell side yeah the key can't defend this may take a bit but he's fine but nice experience still some sweet Snipes in the baths we see hacks against words like we do in one-on-one as well another TP that's a lot of items gone for Younker and another sleep he wants the Shadowhunter so bad DK no man on the shadow shadow and I will die yeah I know staff of silence that's crippled on the blade now he's smelling blood in the water once more and that's a disadvantage if you if you spend so much so much gold on permanence but you don't have slots anymore for new vaults are you just stone and shops are quite far away on this map so it's not that easy to just collect involves on all heroes so but it's it should be okay it's not even the worst spot right now Jonker is on 20k gold Alana is almost dead and site knows so the anchor will not die here that's a wonderful game for alien isn't it first he gets fat and now we can chill and no upkeep and mine out the north yeah you can see him on 50 food now yeah I'll tell you the fact aside 100 food with so many expansions excited just dominated this fight right but they were even in gold and outside is 13,000 where yanker has 20,000 so you know assuming that side will survive excuse me anchor will survive weather alien helps him or whatnot he's going to be in a pretty good position and maybe side will be the one that B becomes team now and yanker can fly under the radar a little bit with a lot of gold and still very good gear levels and we should mention that it's not that big of a deal to lose a main base in FFA if on a big map with 20k gold he can easily rebuild here on the right and he's already doing so so it's only costing you like five to ten gold efficiently to rebuild the main base and that's what he does here so it's I think it's a risky move by sight potentially to do that but maybe it's not the worst one but I can't see him getting teamed by alien and younger yeah and I would say yankor should have had more towers in this main right like he only had two towers on each side he had obviously had enough golden wood to have another three or four towers on each side which would have you know largely stopped that rush but as you said he's still in a fine position with how much gold he has and the fact that a new new tower base is coming up here yeah alien aliens game looks very solid right now check out the Shadowhunter up here guys to khadgar's gems independent of mana 200 health 700 mana amazing of course that's that's the hero that you're going to be targeting mostly when you're facing work is the shadow hunter of course you're not gonna be facing targeting the TC once use level 6 hardly ever you can try to snipe the Blademaster when you can but the shadow hunters gonna be the big target so very well well chosen items and found items from alien there on the shadow hunter and really everybody the amulet of spell shield on the tauren chieftain is amazing of course the first thing you do when facing orc is sleep the TC right to prevent that big stomp so that any of the spell shield is is gonna be very annoying to deal with and then I think he's just probably looking for a clause 12 or another helmet valor something like that first blade master he's only a plus 14 that's not really like too strong so far right definitely some more damage on that and sometimes yeah that's so that's the issue on a map like this with high item itea item markets that you need to decide whether you want to go for very strong permanent items or if you decide to still leave some space for involves which can be more valuable in some situations still so right so let's see if you can get a definite DK off here without being hexed not the best death and decay yeah thanks I should piece such such a piece soon here it's too risky here he's losing too much gold he has all these minds and doesn't want to get teamed I think side could have switched the amulet of spell shield onto the Lich the one that he had on his dreadlord to prevent the hex from stopping the death decay but he had full I had no item slot right and I don't think you can pass items from village to another hero without cancelling the death and decay so oh yeah I just me before he casted today right yeah yeah alien in a very very good position now yeah yeah crusher dolls for piece I'm not sure why isn't doing that I mean would be the obvious solution here maybe he wants alien to attack side weird pieces with side maybe he wouldn't do that I'm not sure though alien just cleaning up these expansions up here there's so many gold mines beside but not as really mining oh yeah side I'm sorry yeah right yeah these ones are still pretty much full so maybe smart again that he went aggressive with these expansions up here because his Naturals now both have 10 and 12,000 in them unlikely that the work is gonna expand here or here at any time in this game helium is breaking up keep he's up at 80 is he preparing for something well he just yeah he doesn't have any other expansions right I guess he still has this expansion yeah but one that exfolia it doesn't really matter if you're 80 or 50 so I guess could make sense for him to technologists to get justice make sure like he sees that side has a lot of expose here so maybe he's scared that side is getting too much XP to much gold and here's exactly what alien is saying there you could he could decide to if he believes that Jonker is out of gold which he's not he could try to finish younger but at this point honestly I don't think younger will die anytime soon so but 70 K is pretty much alive pretty good I have a sense from side to know that the anchor is still rich he said he has 20k he's got 17 utilities learning free fro and already getting a good sense of the game with that comment yeah and that's something that most people struggle with on letter like it's not it's difficult to get a real sense for gold counts but if you count expose you should get a pretty if you you just need to know if a player was on fifty one hundred for the most part but apart from that you could just count expose and you should get a you should get a sense of the gold count so right now another I think reason why alien wanted to go 80 food and maybe start fighting is to also disguise his gold count a little bit right like you don't you want to be fighting something like he hoarded at 50 for a while and got some gold no one saw it or call them out on it right so the first time they see him he's got an army in fighting so maybe subconsciously he doesn't know that whereas if he stayed fifty then maybe he would say Oh what about alien is he still fifty food and they would think maybe he has more gold on here yeah a good point I definitely think that's useful if you don't mind anymore on more than one Expo it's definitely useful to break fifty just so people don't call you out on fifty right so foresight if I was side right now what I'd be doing is looking for two more emulative spell shields so there's four markets on this map and of course I made a spell shield is the absolute best item in the game hands down and he's got one on his dreadlord if he has one on his death knight and his Lich it's gonna make his heroes that that more difficult to kill and to disable and I mean really all three players you would want to emulate on all heroes but especially on undead facing to high level works so we see a Zeppelin is that just for scouting Oh will he drop something where do you see it I okay I guess it's just I mean unlike yesterday there are there are labs here so it's useful it doesn't cost you any supply to just have a Zeppelin ready with an echo light somewhere out on the map just in case you have to rebuild so you don't die it like sexy did yesterday so over there yeah on the map macho's yeah but that's that's always something to do in a map like this can save you again so easily just to have an echo light in a Zeppelin somewhere obviously you can also hide all heroes in a Zeppelin and pretend to be dead that's something some people do sometimes but usually it's about hiding echo lights or casters late game it's all so high-tech where we're in the three way now officially what what are your thoughts on the three way like what do you think these players should be doing or what do you think they're thinking right now preparing how to best handle this three-way mmm yeah it's a good it's a good question I mean for now I think they won't need to want they want to make sure that sight is not on all these Xbox anymore like that will be my top priority and to make sure that alien is not like you would expect that alien with the best levels here has all the most gold so you you need to attack someone with um would supply and I guess that's what's going to happen at some point and yes I'd is looking for another spell shield here but only shitty items and to scattering of tech end right you just call them out and I think when it comes to these three ways especially this magnitude of game the players will be a little bit passive they're gonna scout and maybe not try to make the wrong move I like that if you see on the map here alien is you know dotting the map with these sentry words everywhere so he's gonna see what's going on but yeah like you said I took he's he's checking side a little bit by destroying that expansion still kind of being friendly in the chat and it'll be interesting because you know sometimes you have to retaliate and sometimes you don't right and the diplomacy in there can have you know a greater effect as the game goes on that's like the best element of FFA I was questioning yesterday like why would you ever say the truth in FFA and today's side is doing it and chose to be mr. nice guy once again sometimes you have to like it's really it could really backfire and also FFA sometimes doesn't end with the with the with the official game so even what you say before the game what you say after the game can be considered can be can be a whole help ever against you sometimes it's awesome so it's really like a personality there's a lot that plays into it and yeah it's a little bit like a wrestler who is pretending to be like the wrestling character ring yeah it is have a personality and the way they play can play into it sometimes you utilize the fact that player under that players think you are nice one because in many cases as we see right here a player has to decide who to attack so someone that like alien has to decide now is he going to attack yanker or is he going to attack side so while in this situation everyone has gold he knows that so it doesn't really make a difference but in other situations you may decide based on your impression of a player so if that players an aggressive one or on letter if it's a player that's continuously manna ping against you you will try to finish that player first I think bodewell like a side is gonna tell the truth and be nice the whole game well then when he wants to come up with the one lie that's gonna help him out an end maybe the players will believe him more whereas of someone's just blatantly manipulating and throwing lies and out there all game of course you're gonna be less likely to believe them you know like the boy who cried wolf or whatnot when when they need help or they say they're broke another interesting manipulation if you guys see in the chat basically yankor asked if he could take this expansion right here and he said side can I have this mind you're already super rich and inside said okay then you took it so I sighed basically agreed with his statement that he was super rich and then that also made Yankers seem like he wasn't all also super rich which of course he is so maybe that's gonna subconsciously affect aliens thoughts of side having much more golden yanker or even side thinking that he has much more gold than yankor just based on that little exchange there and I guess the side was just in love with this market finding his second spell shield yeah so yes I can start getting crazy and crazy here yeah he could uh let's see here he could approve his inventory a little bit his lip could get rid of the medallion of courage and pick up a spell shield possibly sell the prep to vitality for a cat gars gem if he finds that and so investing in items is so important in free-for-all I guess we haven't gone over it that much it probably goes without saying that you know you return a lot of value exponentially as the game goes on with these items because you're gonna use your heroes from start to finish and then as your heroes growing levels of course their stats grow so the items become even more beneficial but in free-for-all a lot of times it is your heroes that carry you I mean similar to solo right like once you get higher level heroes so it's almost always worth it to stack your heroes the best you possibly can first and foremost you know instead of into an army as a lease as a priority and neo do you think sometimes because Perry like the item that peeks out most to me at least that it's not used at all in one-on-ones and that is used a lot in FFA is or are periods of vitality do you think they might be underrated if it in in one on one yeah removes of the same opinion than you are especially since the meta is shifting a little bit too tanky heroes like the TC and the Mountain King who are kind of dominating several matchups right now I think it would be a very good idea especially for like low-level TCS if you add them at the third hero it's kind of cheap right so why not yeah it's a lot of HP so yeah that's good very good thing for your buck I agree it's still a four way yeah Ilana's is still in this he has a tree here he has a wisp here and one lonely and protector here so oh there's another tree so he needs some gold if he wants to get his hero he was back ever my observer skills right so one point yeah and that's a nice thing in FFA like those so many times we see a player coming back maybe like he's in a really really bad spot right now but many many times we see come backs simply because players are flying under the radar for one hour and if you try hard and just stay in the game and on letter obviously it happens more often because usually you don't have many players and letter that have a great a sense and that try to finish a player for a lot of time or a long time so comebacks is really a great thing of FFA so comebacks are more frequent so to me it feels like alien is choking outside a bit you got rid of a couple of gold mines and now okay attacking into the base so peace is over at some point yeah someone that's that's like the foundation of FFA if everyone just camps and doesn't want to spend gold it will never end potentially so at some point someone needs to attack an alien is taking over here so side is defending with the hunter food as you can see going up to 100 preparing as frost burners anti magic shield I will say this that orc is varied if you have some of the best orc players an alien is definitely arguably the best org player I would say a fighting wise at least in current times with stacked items and good Hero levels it is going to be difficult for side to dominate these fights and the side doesn't play very well one quick mistake between you know hex and stomp and these big crates or can dominate these fights faster than then you may expect interesting another infernal stone from Sidon his dreadlord did I see that there or yeah yeah the third one so of course he has double infernal between the ultimate from the dreadlord a now fight franking ality between alien and yanker pretty much summer ahmet Oh Shadowhunters and trouble gets good 3:50 critical strike oh yeah now we're talking that's super good for saya teas coming in right now who's ready to fight and his opponents all bruised up so both alien and yanker went down to about fifty food pretty even fight there of course are they both also here Oh oh no no no just just alien losses Shadowhunter probably a little worse for him yeah these fights happened so fast first orc you know you want to make sure you have the critical skills down you want to make sure you you know can land a hex on their Shadowhunter land the first stomp you know land the first it spells to get rid of the bloodlust make sure hero links are our spear linked there's not a whole lot of individual unit micro when these heroes are so strong so you want to preserve your heroes you know focus there's obviously try to defend against bats and things like that but the DPS is just insane what orc it's level and free-for-all right so it's the counter attack by side taking out am I know some towers of course there's this nothing really to kick it's just a sign that okay bro I'm ready let's go then bit of revenge as well any luck trying to try to chat a bit about we fought better here's time now so I guess I think you want to make some some friends in the twitch said yeah I don't know what why why the elf is still staying here you might as well watch the stream but I mean you don't ever know like even if he has only like even if your chances let's say 0.2% like its chance so if your to try hard why give it up I think yes having a lot of fun right now you forgot a worm here we go giving a little bit advice even though and yeah it's obviously the loser of this game what I'm saying is a first FML final he made it past you know the hour mark without dying so exactly yeah and sometimes it's even it's it's interesting sometimes you hold creep at wrists if you have a if you get rushed early on and someone is really mean to you in the game like you feel really angry and you want to pay back but if the game lasts that long like one hour two hours three hours after two or three hours you have forgotten anything that happened after like 20 minutes so it doesn't really matter anymore so that's how like just because of the time it can shift and your emotions can shift sometimes you feel annoyed or you feel tired after two hours it's a lot that can happen in two hours so let's talk about army composition a little bit obviously with the orc player going a lot of bats side has lessen the amount of guards that he's using I only has five gargoyles here where he's more heavier on worms and destroyers I like this move bats are inefficient against a frost worm with three armor upgrades you really should only use bats on light air however you don't want to go pure worms and destroyers this undead because a wind rider army will crush that army you need to have some gargoyles mixed in there that forces the orc player to use bats with scroll use with nukes with stone form you know you can avoid some bats and still have some standing against the wind riders which then makes your heavy air much more useful that's pretty smart indeed I think it's like four bats for worm like this or 3/3 maybe it doesn't really and this is good fight for sight for sure a lot of fats unused little they detonate interesting using the Shadowhunter ultimate here guys you see this yeah big head Buddha but should be beaten out of there now new bad riders are coming in detonates pretty much immediately but the worms just don't fall anymore we have soup on the blade master so lack of damage for sure oh boy big carrion swarm big Nova quite some losses in the end not a great fight from the work there lil he was a little bit unprepared he did take out you know 25 27 food of the undead but of course he's down to 22 food himself I would have liked him to see run away from that fight speed scroll or TP or otherwise you want to have like a sentry ward on the undead army before you engage therefore you can line up your bats therefore you can line up your hex and stomp combo I think he was a bit surprised and unready for that fight it hurt him there he stood on 16k so you should be able to rebuild in time side has some mercy oh yeah he's far far from over here PC level seven and I think he hasn't used his ultimate right yeah so he's not producing aliens not producing at all now he had rely on it hours in his heroes okay there we go okay when he might die crippled on the TC crippled and too slow from the frost worm level three endurance or subsidized infernal by side as well stopping the Shadowhunter from casting gear way so for some TP double inferno on it easy kill this one I lost it the flick refresh the stone in DotA so without any gargoyles you can see that the correct move is to build wind riders he doesn't build more bats because there's no gargoyles so these wind riders with his focus fire he will be able to take out these worms and destroyers if he's careful combination of the towers and his heroes and it's no mana anymore on the Dreadnought then it hurts there's a lot of Nova though shouldn't open it I guess so quickly I'd like to point out comment I made before where maybe it was actually to dunker Sam's advantage said he lost his Mane early right well now alien is fighting side and he looked at Yonker he's got twenty five thousand gold he's on fifty food and he's you know going rather unnoticed compared to these two players so all of a sudden the tides have turned and you know everyone's in a pretty good spot I'd say but yonkers definitely a very good spot ain't asking for help here yeah I love this said 11 plate so cool and if if someone wonders why Jonker is riding with like this why he why his chat looks so so awkward it's because he is too lazy to like set up to have a nice walk he set up so like his chat is the worst he uses a space bar for a hotkey therefore he doesn't have it it's a nice little signature move right so I mean to be honest aliens asking young for help right but he doesn't really need to help him like he doesn't like what's the point he knows alien has a lot of gold he has a lot of gold to himself and purple or heroes are high enough to where he's going to be able to feel comfortable fighting the undead with that much gold probably doesn't feel the need to save alien so much now there's the argument to weaken the undead right it's still a snappy shirt position but maybe he wants to wait a little bit maybe he wants to have alien who keep in mind it's also his opponent right be weakened more before he potentially goes to save them side is still mining from a base at the moment and I guess it's not an issue for Janka and the other boy at night yeah and the only risk here really for younger if you don't help it's also a sign that you are kind of strong like where you are now you feel confident and that you want so it I think it's a good call here by younger but at some point he will need to help but yet I mean Elian is still on 13 K gold he forced the TP so he's right and you saw that young ker now is breaking up keep right why is he breaking up keep well he just mined out his last mine so no need to be in 50 food anymore he can go up to a hundred food now for this game well I mean assuming that he doesn't get one of these gold mines but he's been patient he rebuilt in a good spot here again his hair levels are still very good I mean only level 5 TC level 6 barely Shadowhunter but of course with this much gold and those kind of items the hero levels are all gonna you know continue to grow close to 10 10 10 for these players and site is still looking for his third spell shield but passing on the pendant of mana in the in the chat guys everyone's copying yank your signature style now hey so while we have a little break a little breather in this game I just want to say it's it's been really really awesome to see the response from yesterday's free-for-all game the semi-final that was casted by both of you guys of course I know we had almost 2500 viewers at one point you know we have it looks like about 1700 viewers now and I would say any overwhelming the comments were supportive and positive and and it's nice to see cuz really this game type is it's very intricate it is a skill based game type a lot of times people just kind of deem it as merely luck and and maybe write it off but there's definitely a lot of skill and every kind of skill including the diplomacy and things like that that you mentioned kneel that's a lot of fun and it's nice to have the exposure and just know that we have a community that we've been playing this for years we host games every single day a a lot of people love this game type and it's missus looks like it's gonna be going anywhere with hats ladder adding it soon and obviously FML seasons continuing to run there was pretty awesome yesterday I got several DMS including you like how cool it was and what a nice move and I had so much fun casting also like two hours it's totally fine like usually we do four to sometimes fourteen hours so it was super chill don't jinx it don't shake even when I I got enough drinks here the response and on YouTube was superb the comments were really good and also click wise I think we got more clicks than the ESL Cup semi-final in like I don't know 15 hours or so yeah it was really sick really happy to provide the stage for FFA right now yeah thanks for that like it's really appreciated I mean if we are aware that and it's not for everyone and it will like not everyone is open to play that long of a game but it's still nice like since to feel part of the Warcraft 3 community yeah eventually since apparently we don't get million of millions of new players after reforged it's that was the whole right like we forged we were thinking okay maybe it like it will not become dota but maybe it's like maybe it's going to be a huge thing like in comparison to what it was yeah like there we are and it's it's not like the situation it's pretty good like it's Warcraft 3 is prettier life and so it's nice still to have this like to be part of the overall Walker three family as in as an FFA community how welcoming is your community its oh wait we have used to fight yeah that's post on that a little he sees stomping into nowhere yeah this army is countering the undead army here guys there's so many why burn I mean double infernal stones sure but the orc army is very strong against the undead right now he's trying to nuke the euro that was a bit bad booty immediately countered but silence falling down to 40 supply lost all TP out he says it there was a lot of experience for your car yeah 50 supply lost by side only 10 for young career that was a good fight here these are pretty much only lost his bats but again the undead had zero garg's and they'll work at twelve wyvern right or wind riders yeah so that should at EP doubt overconfident or maybe they didn't understand the army composition he was facing even wasted the infernal stone of course he's fine but yeah nice nice fight from Yunker and a bit of a mistake there from the undead Clare side and now he's pumping guards but it's to be careful you to not lose too many buildings yeah you absolutely need guards frost worm destroyer army will just lose so hard to mass win riders so you got six guards I guess trying to stall a little for more time for the entire control group trying to zone him out a little with Nova and carrion swarm well that's a new Ward against it so it doesn't do dripping in that base it's right compared to these works like even if you had a bunch of towers every week but it's a big difference in these races you know he can't just turtle on his face he will lose his base if he can't defend this and that sounds so surreal to a solo player look how weak these undead bases like usually the strongest right right yeah the difference being fortified towers of course of organ mass trips I'm turning into a problem I guess that's a decent amount of guard yeah I mean I think side should still be throwing carrion swarms ANOVA's he still has really high-level heroes and staff a silence and amulets spell shield so he should be engaging and trying to kill these casters with Nolan's swarm and now he's tipping out no mana on the SH and get it back to your question so in general like we are happy about every new player I think FML the FML community is a great mix of plan but so League and community and people the people stick around for years and some people abandon the community for a year then they return but it's a really nice place to be but like welcoming it's like we welcome everyone but it's also it can be frustrating for new players to be flame to get flamed after game because you don't play for yourself so it's easy for you to ruin the game for others too so that's a common reason for players to get frustrated quickly because you make it flame sometimes but it's also release valve so in especially in health games some on letter like no one cares if you insult someone so on one on one you may get may get banned from a league or something in FFA like most players are just used to getting flame because there are there more emotions usually than you would see in any one-on-one game so it's kind of normal so you need to embrace it yeah that's it that there's some you know there's some bad apples you know anywhere you got everyone yeah but but typically when solo players come in I think they're they're you know very well welcomed you know we want skilled players in the community and especially those that that really care you know like we've had throughout the years you know 15 to 20 you solo pros come and play NFL season or you know do this or not and a lot of them either don't adapt or maybe they'll be teamed out in one game and they'll say oh like screw this and they won't ever play again but it's nice to see players like side and like neutron also who have adapted and they'd like they've lost games in certain ways they make mistakes they learn from it they've been teamed out you know maybe they you know didn't understand a sense game but they continue to learn they have good personalities and obviously you can see here potentially with both those players gonna be in the final and the first season which is which is good to see yeah they're both pretty smart players and maybe a little frustrated with the solo situation at the moment and then to have like an outlet where they can kick some butt I guess that's really nice for them yeah sure sure and that that's also what's cool about free-for-all is like you know from from both ends like let's say you're a player that's not quite as strong you can play free-for-all and anybody can win in free-for-all right like you you can you can play smarter and make better decisions and you know it and and plus there's a little bit of luck involved so anybody can win in free-for-all I think that that gives you a chance plus you're gonna have big armies you know three heroes above level 680 food hundred food switch army compositions lots of gold the perfect example for that is I went to a land in Sweden with the pros of Sweden like team Sweden it was Thursday in a little DC and Knopf and all these guys and I make top three I'm a - total uber noob in Warcraft but I still made top 3 with all the pros so ever fate is awesome for that indeed nice nice yeah yeah no that's not that's awesome oh and there he is Oh like it took 1 hour 11 minutes but now finally can go to watch the newest Rick and Morty I've seen it already so he should definitely do that well I like to have him once again rookie bracket a little bit first but yeah it's to be expected obviously like you're just too nervous in your first like it's it's only his fifth competitive FFA match and that's like if you compare it to someone like alien who has probably had I don't know 200 200 of competitive a mattress I don't know it's just a different it's a different tier after all it seemed like you had a lot of fun though yeah I hope so another tech here potentially hundreds apply for younger who's moving to what sites main base here and interesting and alien it's down to 11 K gold but yeah we'll see what's what's worth it yeah doesn't feel that great right he's got 12 K gold you know his hero levels are pretty good but his base is very weak he would like to have either better hero lovers or more gold at this point and as far as army composition I think yanker has the best army composition and it showed that he had so many wyvern where he just decimated side's army compared to when alien fought side appear you know alien wasn't prepared and didn't take that fight as well so just those small differences those small fights shows a big advantage Yonker and then as far as the undead player I mean you're not gonna probably win if you're gonna take big fights first both of these orc players consecutively so he's definitely gonna have to be smart with his remaining gold because although hey he has 12,000 gold right and he has level 7 heroes he should win the game but in reality compared to both of these players and compared to their main bases he's probably the most vulnerable right now it's not a way to bait the two orcs into Amaral maps sure and yet to try it you know like yanker has been manipulating pretty well throughout the chat talking about how he's broken isn't that yeah but eventually either side has to maybe let alien know or try to get alien to attack the orc or have them collide or maybe side has to just be very patient and sit in his base because both of both of these orc players right now even though side you know is obviously it has better micro than either these players I think they probably see each other as the orcs as the main especially after the fight that that yank you're heading inside and having 20k cold I mean even though excited it is still Undead and you know when facing high level work and free-for-all not quite as scary alien was poking a bit into Yunker territory killing some wards to staying him know hey I'm still there man what did I miss I got a new beer good new Flint's so the best sounds in the world so I want to touch on something we were talking about before as far as game lengths you know what we're watching here guys is the semi-final you know it in a in a league type format so these players are all gonna play to win at the absolute at any cost right so there's gonna be natural there's gonna be typically more chat more manipulation more stalling and that just comes to the territory right so this this game will likely be longer it's already been an hour 15 but typically you know if you're getting into the free-for-all and you're worried about having to pay to our games every time I say on average game length is around 45 minutes maybe north of an hour hour 15 on ladder or even in in-house games but yeah when everything is on the line and people play it so patiently and so passively these games do last longer I just don't want people think that they always are multiple hours I mean you can you can get these games done in 30 to 45 minutes in ladder yeah and also it's if if one of three players is willing to echo rate the game and if you start to just pump units over and over naturally it's going to be quicker so yeah good point so if the game goes super long like the aforementioned four to six hours yesterday you mentioned yesterday is there like a break to get some food in between no I mean for in I I think sexy caster one of these games on a comparatively small map in season twenty seven or eight and that was a face like if you have certain players in a match and there are some players that have a place to alway you where your they just don't like to spend the gold and if you have two of these players in a match they just don't spend their gold so they just sit and they prefer to sit for an hour even if that means that if that means that's the best chance for winning then they would sit and I would say from from a casting perspective it's nice this season to have like here many players that are not willing to sit for three hours so and that's mostly like it's where we have very few games that lasts more than four hours but it's also something like on YouTube if you check the FML videos it's kind of fun to have like one video that lasts six hours yeah it's really bad advertisement for the communities you have this video on the YouTube channel and no one will ever watch it fully from start to finish but it's also like it shows some it shows a trihard miss and we have the like there are two main discussions or arguments in the FML community first of all is whether we should have timers in our games and they're all high tech well let's see this big fight real quick yes sorry all right site is under pressure once again as yoga is pushing into his base oh man that was a massive carrion swarm Nova swarm but the bats were spirit linked Oh decimating the guards Wow once again the trouble like how is he taking care of these wyvern after the first engagement losing worms as well the humerus Oh yep down to 60th well here comes a lien though quick TB doesn't use the bats you could have used it after that swarm but now he's going for side here 308 critten yeah that's 877 already interesting yeah why not we can beyond that now where he has no units alien feels confident right now with this gold count and the zero levels but teeny CBI yeah I think he's under estimating yonkers gold potentially we'll see yeah and and again besides showing some inexperienced in handling this kind of army with gargoyles you absolutely need a stone form your gargoyles as the bats are approaching and then post some new paulie's in unstoned form when you're ready hit and run you try to take the fight head on all his gar girls were clumped into one he literally lost every gargoyle to like four or five bats in that like maybe 20 food if you guys saw that from a gargoyle claw would really hurt him the ones play I'm making micro mistakes it's it's different though right like these these army compositions and hero levels are so much different yeah he's not used to fighting like this so frankly micro at this kind of level with this army compositions you know it's just gonna be different and this because this could cost site a lot of gold here because it's usually and if you are not pressure and you just pumpkins quickly and need to rebuild you tend to just do you tend to produce and build stuff more carelessly so you just you just waste your goal so you can easily go from from 6 K 2 1 K gold in this situation but I do think alien will pull back at some point here he like it's it's there's too much on the line and he sees Jonker coming across the map here so I guess he made peace now we'll see and that his food blocked he doesn't have a acolyte in the Zeppelin yeah but yeah really tough spot he can't comfortably beat either of the or players in a one-on-one fight now he's also got the weakest base and the lowest hero hero levels he swaps at once or a massive deal right but we have an author once again either waiting to commit now all they absolutely are this could cost him could quite a bit we have more and more bats but all by that's so much damage big bad boodle now canceled but alien down to 40 and yoga using too much big bad Bhutan his fight now oh here's the silence saved him to an in-wall wait master be targeted ex focus fire continues but I think it's enough oh no the storm five seconds bye-bye meets another hex though to finish it so another big fight from Junkers an who's getting the best of alien in these orc mirrors interesting enough you saw that the purple orc of Shadowhunters Oh silence needs to TP out is it in time though another Hanks more right-click the wyvern are there and not only the blade but also the shadow hunter Falls but now yeah yeah car will get team for this 100% now yeah right right so nice fight they're interesting enough you see a difference of strategy they're younger the purple orchid aside to use the Shadowhunter ultimate in the back of the line to start the fight so now when you're facing bats the shadow ants are alternates very good of course because you cannot blow up the bats on your wind riders protected by the ultimate now if he can hex the big back Buddha that works but his shadow hunter here as the amulet of spell shield was prevented that so that really gave him a huge advantage he didn't lose any of his air while he was putting 100% DPS on aliens army there which really made a big difference now a downside of Big Bad Voodoo is it does cancel all spells right including your friendly spells so it cancels your spirit link and your bloodlust but of course if the Shadowhunters not going to be disabled your units are invulnerable so really nice fight there from yanker not only getting the best of alien in that fight but also getting the best of side here so far really strong fighting performance from yonkers and we should forget to mention that Elian is again the only player here like you yesterday that is playing on probably roughly 200 second milliseconds of ping so it's big disadvantage in these fights so yeah bit unfortunate but yeah I guess it's our life yeah it's worth noting both Haley and I are u.s. West so we're gonna play with you know 200 220 240 playing in these games I think that we're used to it from playing for so long but yeah I definitely makes a difference in last minute hero saves and just overall probably feel of micro but you know what can you do about that maybe some new servers maybe the return of host bots that would all be event impossible I don't think that's possible it I don't think I don't think if servers are possible like you can only have three servers I think for Warcraft 3 it's maybe it makes me 20 20 bucks per month that's too much I think yes III think you would probably even spend more than 22 bucks for an youzhi server then I have to stream for like one hour for that yeah it's really rather whoo and psy needs to be careful here 85 supply supply blocked he definitely needs to get some zigs up here and maybe get more than his one Zeppelin where's the Zeppelin oh yeah he uses the the echo light because he lost his acolytes he only has that one echo light left that wasn't a Zeppelin so it should be very careful and he rebuilds another in the main as well yes and now he's going to fight here no not really nope nope nope same mistake again oh boy level eight nine and nine the training is infernal once more yes I should stick to his ground Stan maybe it's don't fall not on point here and this is not a good fight for him late storm is well going into the back line and again I think well the third or fourth time lost all yeah it frustrating here in this situation but orchestras very strong with gold and items so a we've got Tora now I didn't see the transition until now and potentially like at some point Jonker might try to finish side here he might as well at this point right with how much gold he has air so side could as well just try to get out of his Mane mates right now because like he doesn't want to lose all this to us here any news still reviving his heroes gave the plate master back now see trolling wait for the shadow it's back now that cost him some money as well so junk as sick heroes sick supply and the most gold by far okay you stoppin much of indeed if you like unless he's really going up in a one-on-one against alien 6k gold advantage I'm not too much if you're getting teamed which he certainly will at this point so it's up to a lien to help now and do we see him we see him walking across the map so he's coming in and she will be able to help in time I think yeah I mean oh ork gets to a point where it's so difficult to fight with undead especially at a disadvantage once here oh it's so difficult I mean even if you fight perfectly you know granted aside has not been fighting very well you know you're not using stone form maybe not using nukes as well and of course side is an awesome player but he hasn't faced frankly high-level work free-for-all so he really doesn't have the experience fighting it and you chose but again it's so difficult once our kids like this to fight with undead alien is here but younger does teepees out losing pretty much nothing after killing the dreadlord and taking out a lot of this base but now side can't breathe and they will team younger for some time now so that's a disadvantage now for younger like at this point he will get team now I'm pretty sure so we'll see and getting back to my earlier point just the two discussion points in the FFA community first of all this time on maps because some people like to have a timer and we have that in some cups but I for example I don't like 5-hour maps but mattress but I don't like timers either because it takes some of the fun of waste some of the base races if you just have a one hour or two hour timer so I'm not a big fan of there because players just play differently if they know that there's a timer in the game that's why we don't have an F FML competition and the second argument is no chat against chef James and while many people say in a match like yesterday that's why we won't note that's why we want no chat games but if with good FFA players it doesn't even matter that much it's an additional challenge to play no chair because you have to Scout more but the players will look similar because good players can balance the game no matter if people ask for help or if they scalp that the player needs help so doesn't make a huge difference and also something I read on in YouTube comments anonymous FFA makes sense on letter for sure that's what we want on letter but in competitive FFA in this game everyone wouldn't know after ten minutes who is who so it doesn't really matter if it's anonymous or not and for us it will be worse because we couldn't we couldn't cast it so they know by the play style and especially like the way they they type yeah I mean for younger it's pretty obvious yeah so even though they're gonna be teaming Jonker and he could definitely make a mistake here and lose a hero he has a great base he has great heroes he has a lot of gold and the undead is pretty crippled look cool wow those bastards babies why burns will be saved nice time for the sh altima there oh man that's pretty sick indeed of the myths just being deleted now TP out that was quite some damage done and yeah are starting to bulldoze so it's now very important like it at some point you are not you tried your Tim you temp to get more more careless with your gold because you have so much of it but at this point it can because fights only lasts a few seconds and as we saw a younger just crushed both up both of them and it can backfire very quickly so they will need to act quickly now and try to not take bad fights simply because Jonker is so stacked and has the gold advantage it's only a slight gold advantage so I think alien is still in a decent spot here because you doesn't get teamed right now but yes I needs to be careful and I think you should leave his main maze here he should focus on rebuilding and that's a mistake he didn't in previous rounds that he tried to keep his name is alive for too long at some point you just can't and GP anywhere right here's another Nepal yeah you need to get away ASAP at least has a spell shield but this dread Lord is pretty toasty so the death Knights gonna die too if he stomps him oh boy five seconds here we go raining damage 364 never had sex on him yep once and he needs Elian here where's the alien it's coming finest good evening it's tough right now gonna do much pretty obvious far in the back so now it's time for alien to engage but it's just busy in the north was dodging and now teaming up against side how mean I don't think yes I don't think he's okay with just attacking okay okay let's get back let's see if I can survive as heroes here which being focused quick oil night messes not in this yet here it comes 100 bad it's good sweet block by the Turin no way out for the lids Smart TV and Elia knows now that Jonker feels confident in the 101 that should tell a lien that Jonker also have a lien seized yonkers Mei Mei said she tell Ellie and that Jonker has at least I would say that personally I would think in this situation yang has at least 10 K which is above roughly the gold amount at yes 10k and like a lien has no interest in finishing site right now because he knows that site is on his side yeah yeah I know that feel man it's so horrible with this name but Yoga balls of steel first getting teamed and then things okay man I'm gonna play pendulum here and swing back into your freakin base and just wipe you out and it works pretty nice yeah and side should really focus on getting some echo lights out like you yes nothing out on the map here's mining at least it's really like one echo light is not a lot of gold like does not call us cos a lot of gold and it can easily save you the game so you always want echo lights across the map somewhere sides in the position where is double out of darkness we can revive both here is that normal yeah Miriah want to at this point I guess but he's running out of gold so he made it to unsummon some buildings which is an unfortunate position if you don't have much left so site needs to hopefully in here and he should he should talk to alien and he's doing so but if any loses the next fight here I could see Jonker winning rather easily if he doesn't throw it yeah I mean young Yonkers in such a dominating position he only has you know a thousand more golden alien but he's a hundred food look at the items and the hero levels on younger there absolutely perfect outside of maybe one item on the TC could be better Annie knows exactly what's up though through that warned so he finds the perfect time to engage pretty much when a nice Big Bad Voodoo here this felt and alien use the bats and because he's not sure if he can't dispel the spirit Lincoln time he doesn't want to waste his pets so he rather forces the TP and is going to attack with with side here but there are so many towers in this main base of younger and if you compare it to aliens alien has some towers too but it's still way weaker main base in my eyes yeah I I agree with you younger can can control here and here's another thing we talked about picking the blade master or not the orbital lightning is so good with with wind riders right because of course it'll perch the worm it'll perch the destroyer or the hero and there's so much dps that you really can't micro against it like you can't really throw a coil on a perched frost worm that's being focused with with eight wyvern and at level template master so with his base he can kind of turtle in these towers and you'll see that he didn't chop this wood right to expose his base which was smart so he has these these choke points it's gonna be difficult for the players to team him because he has the ability to kill any hero at any time even with the TP or an invulnerability potion because of stomp X rotation and of course the sheer DPS of his heroes and when riders yeah what do you think is a more more annoying item spell shield or dagger on TC because that's something we don't see on this map at least but on the map black market square that we have these TCS with dagger of escape so you have the TC all of a sudden in the mid in the middle of your army and something I think that's even more annoying you can you can actually buy a dagger on this map so yeah yeah you shoot at the markets yeah yeah it is it for sale I've never seen it almost certain is it not know a living seven that's a chronal things and it's not there's no level seven drop on this now it's not the same with the crown of Kings it's the same as a orb of frost and maybe it's I I don't know but there is definitely no market like it's not for sale here I'm ok maybe I'm wrong yeah to answer your question I mean that's the other super in in both combo dagger on T Z because of course you could just blink into the front line and then lay a level-3 stop please threatening another push with the bats but it's bats on bad action no you try here guys no Big Bad Voodoo this time yeah nice anti magic shell here for size yeah you want to keep these two worms alive this last two worms so you don't just want to lose them and this is difficult to defend here outside of his name is I don't think yankor should leave leaf is based here there's no need for you yeah I agree and side side needs to be throwing these nukes and they should probably coordinate together right as if it was a 2-1 to 80 game and say hey let's focus the shot on her let's focus the Blademaster super difficult to micro I guess to not attack each other to not friendly fire option negate their foresight it's okay like they don't have huge armies right now status 58 supply early and it's only 61 it can become very tricky if we have two players with hundred supply air armies usually you don't want to team someone if you have hundreds of by but even if you have both a it's 160 supply that can clash in the air so can be tricky and sometimes you feel tempted to just finish some units of that of your ally in that situation because it's easy XP but in this situation obviously you don't mean that you've won to weaken Jonker at all costs and yeah it's losing some units so needs to be careful here to not lose all these wyverns because he can't really you can go up to hundred supply easily one more time but after that he might run out of gold yeah there's no reason why he should be outside of his towers like like you said and he also needs to keep those wind rider spear linked so he doesn't are those undead nukes I lost a few here recently and now for alien you know aliens got 66k gold right that's like the perfect amount of gold to be able to rebuild 100 food army like a final army so his goal here is to wink in junker as much as possible with side and then eventually be prepared to have his last hundred food army Wow and the the world dying here and this is still not the worst fight for for these two players here and accidentally the alien killed the banshee offside which prevents any any further anti magic shells bit unfortunately beside right so side is mining 50 food a little bit not much of that gold mine left enough to at least revive as he rose again and Younker is almost 100 food right and this army is not that scary now between these two so he can find an engagement where he could potentially start steam rolling and if he kills one hero like let's say he kills the death knight let's say he kills the Shadowhunter he can kill all everything in front of him if he manages to sniper hero here which is very possible here one mistake from the other players one good engagement between stop and hex and focus fire from the purple or quill do it yeah we are me and be so much damage with all the while running and being alien you don't like you could argue okay he has 6k gold so could he could easily push up 200 supply but one if your team you are not pressured in 200 supply and probably aliens newborn woke up he became father I think two weeks ago so yeah what a hero and still able to make it into the top 10 of the FFA League I guess it's I guess it's the virus because last season that he was very he he did not play much lost last year and I expected him to abandon the community entirely after he got far became father now but yeah he image to play this game so that's pretty nice pretty impressive the median the one-on-one scene we have an a new father as well caught Lara and he's always getting eliminated in the second round in any tournament so it's doing a little better there maybe maybe we can get up to daughter popularity once we all get our our kids exactly just all get like 15 kids if we reproduce at that rate like mice we have a big kids we force them to watch I really don't I don't know why we like I personally think I mean if if I get to 60 like why wouldn't I play this game right or at least watch games so like I I did i if there are other players and even if I have to play AI in 50 years I don't know in 30 years probably not 50 but 30 like I would still do it I guess there's nothing better coming out so yeah you you you said on twitter twitter that Activision is going to remake Tony Hawk's Pro Skater true yeah and they already started the advertisement with like Knights almost all songs of the original sounds like a row okay here we go some nostalgia there for sure yeah alright guys so again Yonkers in a position to fight this he he's trying to be careful of course but a critical moments gonna happen here very soon oh detonate again site almost he just pulled him back here's the info that's the big joke indeed Oh Blake stone was also pretty sick she wave helps a little I guess but Yonkers still so confident line D supply hears he's losing all his vibrance here so it's he's only down to four K and now he's his your goal then aliens at some point he will need to peace here first over the TC becomes the euro focus continues another storm five seconds 350 crit and bye-bye number one once he stood at the old you can revive that Turin with his spear Walker as well had a stomp here no Marsh to his friend feta see if he if he revives one of these torn with his spear Walker and I really like how like house I just didn't manage to stay alive here and he got some gold left now every mine is empty on the map so he will not get a buff his - its 1975 gold unless he's on summoning and he's going to unsummon some buildings so site needs to be very careful here with this with his heroes but it's it's looking better now for him then I do 10 minutes ago if there's some friendly fire going on between some teaming players how tempted are you - just backstab him in this situation it doesn't like what do you gain right like you don't need experience anymore at this point so if you're back step you only get attacked and you're likely going to lose the hero in return so you will not back step in this situation unless you think you can win the game by doing so here's a back step in this situation it's not only like you people not like if if in this situation early and back step side side will not trust him again this game at any point so he will not do that yeah maybe alien had 15 K gold or something right and he felt like he could try to eliminate the undead and then win one verse two threats away but he legitimately needs the undead's help right now although if you saw in chat he did he did ask if he could rebuild who the the blade and that's gonna be the stake that's still not much damage and with the TC also at the torrent I'm also dying here so that's how easy you can do the blade master and he's down to three K gold so he's yeah that's how you balance a game so if I was if I was Elian and or if I was side I would try to just you want to weaken the old face right now just to make sure that he can't just get you always want to be in a spot where you can in West case base razor player so in this situation obviously want to kill Yonkers units and then you want to weaken and his name is a bit just to see how how which he still is yeah is going to lose a lot of Units here without the black master there's almost no mana on side anymore so not too many nukes pipe store right yeah hold it oh yes it's still so you can stay in this for a bit longer some nice you wait here but yeah for the first time the long time is there he goes below 50 and here we see the weakness of wyverns right like without spirit link yeah they just become super ineffective and they just die super quickly against spirit link so if auch would have had would have another air unit that would be a bit better they would obviously go for it but why weren't really suck if you can combine it with plate massive damage so yeah and all of the sudden Yonkers and probably probably the weakest spot I think is even in the weakest spot and side right now okay my side I don't know if I agree with that I mean I think he's gonna survive this fine his heroes are so good right now right he still has a strong base side space is just so weak yeah you're right yeah probably side still weaker I think if you take into account that site is probably not going to be teamed next like next they will probably team alien at some point I think side is still in a good spot if he doesn't lose his heroes here think he won't we'll take some time to break this off base but and some way that we'll get there and these units will all will all die over time and they're bleeding him dry quite nicely I wonder if side is too nice to team up on his former ally in FFA for too long at some point you need to play for wind and if that's the only way you can win the game you need to team up with that player that attacked you 10 minutes earlier so that's what you've got to do so he doesn't right here in this situation you just can't miss like you want to team one player down but then you need to find the right point in time to piece with that player or at least just pull back you don't have to communicate your piece and chat but you can also just pull back and don't help anymore so about different ways to to stop giving but we'll see and yeah so right now guys like junker can fight this like in the end dad doesn't have any wyvern whatsoever and ork only has one destroyer like he needs to play aggressive kill the destroyer go stomp the heroes I think that he can he can break out of this but the SH of alien is still full mana while yonkers sh is out of mana almost one more wave here come true so we'll see going to make a difference here potentially and also all the casters here for Jonker here's one one Shaymin with men are still but the pc my side here Wow easy okay time that's long he's gonna you can capitalize now this exact what needed to happen yeah good good call here by yes that's call by sexy as well who said this gonna happen like five minutes ago yeah good call good call yeah I didn't expect younger to break out that aggressively here and now he's rushing to sites main base knowing that he can't killed the the dreadlord so right let's see if side well we'll move his army away from his main base or routes and he has an echo light here in the north and I think he should have gotten one more necropolises out of his name is just so he can TP their worst case maybe sell some items but he still has I guess 3k gold just in items if he wanted to sell them so we'll see but he needs to get out there quickly and I said open it from a junk of their side pumps again probably not gonna work but he's going for it so it's not the deathblow one side space yeah spell shield not triggered but yeah he needs to get away very very quickly yeah the orc needs to go chase his heroes he shouldn't live right now is zero certain shouldn't be able to live yeah SHS no mana for hex though so it's a bit of a downside and now Elian is trying to weaken yonkers may mate so do you really think Yankers in the best spot because I think le and it's in the best spot right now with 5k gold stuff yeah I mean if I look at the army difference right like y'all Cara is 50 food more so if it comes down to it evenly fought battle between alien and Younker I would think young could win but we'll see you're right he has a lot of gold and he's weakening his base now it's really cool that you play and watch so many ffaith and you are not telling in unison who's winning makes it super exciting for me I don't know who to trust right now it's always open like anything can happen even the player like each side can still win like he has high-level heroes so as long as you have high-level heroes and some way to survive still and he has some gold to rebuild and it's a huge map you could stay in the game and powers tempt shift in FFA that's why after you made it to 3 way that's why he'll Argus wasn't such a bad spot but once you made it to the 3-way it's usually all open so I'm very rarely there to try to finish you off early too have a final one on one because it usually takes too long to finish a player and it takes too many resources so in this situation it's still exciting still win this but obvious is in the worst spot still as I was just selling a lot of items CP TV coming in and yeah if immediately peopie alien seeking god super-sweet yeah a co-op kill shockwave level three shockwave was awesome yeah yeah not making an army here he's really planning to have that final army verse the orc player but we'll see I do think it was mistake from from Yonker when he was in the undead base he saw the heroes the heroes had no TP and they were I mean just the necropolises TP - he could have killed those heroes and then potentially he had the final one on one but sighs escaped his heroes and I don't know I think I might come back to bite him yeah I agree now he has three heroes back and he can team up with alien and yaku gets weaker slowly but steady is down to one K gold he can't sell buildings like it on that can he has many items tolls so he is still richer than he appears to be so if he sells all his items he can still get up to he could get up to 4 K right now I guess almost maybe 3 K but he's still in a good spot here and he's changing I think another mistake he's changed in a career I think he needs to try to finish side right now it's his best best shot right side doesn't even have enough make a necropolises I mean of course he could sell an item but yeah and he should sell items really like these items all of a sudden for him if you don't have any gold left they lose value like an item that has a selling value of 300 gold is all of a sudden it's more more worth than like the the ability so I think you should try to sell an item right now but there I don't see he's diving on the Shadowhunter nice infernal once again good zoning my side view to Nova see how well he can heal against that otherwise Janka could lose a lot t of the fight continues a bit it's peeing out will be interesting one two three a lot of why we're gone all of a sudden down to 60 yeah but he's saving some of them I think he could have easily just lost all of them if he had stayed in for a few seconds longer so I think it was a good call side full mana though on Lich empty case Oh interesting yeah all the sudden work is a little bit more vulnerable now smaller army interesting that alien chose to spend his gold not on wind riders but Turin is poor Turin which are good in orc mirror and not as not as weak of course is that as the wind riders but still an interesting decision now we see yeah Kerr is trying to I mean at some point he needs to piece with one of these players if they you can't win six high-level heroes at this point if you don't have hundreds apply anymore and if you're just down to nine hundred gold so he needs to piece and obviously site is the one to piece with because in other side is weak so site needs to piece with them but we'll see yeah well at what point side is willing to do so I mean of alien goes Turin and sites that has some worms that should be killable in the end for him yeah but this these awk heroes like this played masterfully stacked with us no doubt like if if alien turned his back on on site right now if alien would have put back step side would have happened would have no chance society relies on younger still until Elena's forced to spend his gold or sell his items so until that point inside his site will not win this game on his own right now he needs he needs to balance the game and it's his advantage that he's in a weak position so it doesn't make sense for them to team side right now because there's nothing you can team you can kill some hundred buildings but then he's out so that's his advantage right now needs to like he needs to make sure that he's not giving free went to any of these pairs link on the web so chase the undead right yeah we should do so but with the aura it's pretty even and pretty even race here an item that's really underutilized and free-for-all I'm sure neo can appreciate our speed scrolls you should always have a speech scroll in free-for-all as well it's just just imagine a bloodlust a dork army coming at you with speech scroll you know with a big stomp and hex and just establishing that that first attacking position I don't really see him much from these two works especially since we have so much gold and then was fifty gold coal right right and like the effectiveness of a speed scroll can just completely decimate an entire battle for you know 450 gold yeah for sure but it's sometimes you do tend to not go for these cheap items anymore once you have access to these tier six seven eight items and in this situation I definitely agree could have like this like helm of Valor is not as valuable in this situation as spiritual it's been squall would have been right so if you're the purple orc wouldn't you think that he would go and try to eliminate the undead here or is he trying to wait to try to get the undead to help him team out his base a little bit yeah Thank You Brad point since he as you say since he hasn't killed the undead heroes he on the left is now all of a sudden he's reliant on sight so I think yanker needs to be ie try to he really needs to peace with side and now aliens may miss is a strongest so if like general rule of thumb in leather games also if only one player has a main base still with towers and two players have not you can easily or you should always try to team that player with the full main base because only that player has full supply still like to produce theoretically if he has gold and you you never want to players out of main bases and want players with the main base so it's like something that happens really often even in many FML games so you see to play is giving free when to 1/3 player just because that player was never teamed and in this situation yeah Ellie needs to get weakened I guess at some point interesting that alien spent the gold away that he did I don't know if that's necessarily the best way to do it I'm torn are obviously very good they're good in orc and they're good against heroes but then he made these bats as well like I guess the bats are to finally clear out the wyvern maybe it would have been better for him to not spend his gold but I'm not sure what we'll see now they're going to team him now so side piece with Younker good call here and now they're going to team alien here how quick things changed in everything yeah that's it's unusual right if you only used two one oh one and two and two yeah people walk to each other and then they don't attack each other I mean they were fighting for like 20 minutes or even more like half an hour no sod no it's all good man let's let's turn around that's what you gotta do right yeah don't commit you will not play for win and you will lose the game so yeah you're ultimately trying to win and there's only one winner of course you know you're gonna want a week in the stronger opposition and kind of balance that out doesn't always work out as planned but you'll see that that's kind of how it's how it's going right now yeah I think it's a bit of a mistake here as you say by Alliant invest that much gold into into units like units can get by at least six zeros units get killed so easily you should save in my eyes you should always save 121.5 pay gold to just rebuild out on the map to invest in reviving heroes and that kind of stuff so these units will just die over time they will just team him until he's out of units Brian maybe they wouldn't have teamed him I promise but maybe they would no but he didn't build his army yeah exactly oh the orb from the perch purchase the playmaster like immediately first hit half a second at the back yeah first ago that all right and very rare these days to see in FFA games and competitive FFA games to see high level or mirrors because we don't have many compare me good players that are active or arguably the weakest race in FFA so we did because all came like a walk with stack heroes and much gold always very strong but also very weak anti-air if have no ox have no gold and ox can get based raced rather easily so especially against elf that's my walk is rather weak and also difficult to play because you always have to my crew all these casters against moog and that kind of stuff so really nice to see all mirror on high level here you know both pretty difficult to play I think that I'm probably in the train of thought that elf is probably the weakest free-for-all race but really the balance between the four races are pretty good all races are are good every brawl yeah well that's the total opposite compared to one-on-one where every racist depending on who you talk to is this Auto balancing right so you can always if a race is too strong and human arguably was for many years with mass TP and three supply tanks was extremely strong but you can always you were always automatically balance the game somewhat against the player with a strongest race but with the with the tanks patch human became much weaker arguably invade is still in here arena with the new or there was a buff but overall human not as strong as it has been some years ago so it's I would say in FFA it's in a pretty good spot and maybe even better than in 101 and you're you're always saying new that one-on-one is in a good spot right now yeah it is especially compared to like two or three years ago now people tend to forget that yeah it's easy to forget and like always new like new meta meta evolves over times sometimes I think changes I made too quickly and I was for example I was very skeptical about some of the changes in 1.29 but now it's within with the old critical strike bag transmute back to 100% a transmute and shama right really bad for FFA because they don't have a high cooldown and they just make players not spending their gold when I say four years Andrey was never listening it makes fun of me for my transmute flames but any quick if we have to fight going on okay no it's peace again yeah we'll take some time like they will need to play very careful in year and excite needs to join armies here with the anchor potentially he's very exposed to on the right or made me need to kill some trees here with the infernal I mean really I don't think that Yonkers army as much is aliens army is much scarier than Yankers I mean Yankee doesn't have any bloodlust obviously which is huge um but it's interesting here like I mean what are these players gonna do right like side has to be thinking well I want a week in one orc and then weaken the rest and ultimately side's game plan to win here his winning condition is to be to weaken both players down to basically heroes and just a small amount of buildings and beyond an even playing field yeah now I mean what should alien do here right like it should alien be trying to convince sides to stop and maybe peace again or should you just try to break out shooting a fan in his face there's a lot of different decisions here and it's tough to say exactly what's gonna be the best one which is interesting the clerk is trying to break out getting punished for incite so far just shouldn't spamming his spells as good as he can and yes full mana still so they will definitely be able to kill alien gear if he if they want to like at least all his units so for side i mean for side side wants to get rid of all these or commits and late game was infernal and now he finally has a he has immunity policy here and he has some eco lights out on the map so i think he is in a much better spot I mean was 20 minutes ago but he still can't fight any of these off players straight up against these items yeah inside could be sending an infernal around right now right and maybe oh here we go another fight here alien is almost out of air and these pick that Buddhist and so quickly like very often we see long Bickford gurus but against all these spell she gone step of silences and storms and hacks no big that would last longer than a few seconds webmaster being targeted so Elian down to 43 supply Jonker 239 and side to 32 so it's pretty even here so and everyone almost out of cold so it's really really even right now I would say young guys like I've look at the death knight on side sold his items look at Gianni Leonor salt his items a Yonkers 10-10-10 full inventory yeah he'll definitely win a one-on-one against either player that's right and you would in FFA late-game you would check or you always have to check inventories just in case like that's a good if someone says he's completely dead and someone has full items still you know he still has some gold to work with so he is trying to turn side against young canal yeah everything working isn't it he has to I mean his other option would be just to let his main base go lose all his units and pretend to be weak and try to survive but he doesn't really he isn't really prepared to do so because he has only two great halls out on the map and not many peons so he kind of wants to keep this maze alive at least some part and the outsiders side is probably going to be the deciding factor here I mean every player some how is but side will to because I think both of them know that they can win the one-on-one stole against site so they need him to team up with them so do you think that side should be sending an infernal around the map and trying to destroy proxy buildings and it at least scouting the rest the buildings I think you should scalp more right now like he was scouting very well early on and he's doing that now like he's scouting now that's I think that's really key like you have such an advantage and eventually if it's about a base race it can be about seconds so it's huge advantage if you know what everyone's buildings are and he's picking up an item here and he's 220 gold so this item can what was it it was a circlet and in some cases like wild players we're up to 20 K gold at some point 50 gold item sell can make a difference in the situation so theit was killing a three to four persons there's one less there more is one at the top and one here is a 2/2 peons I think and yeah that's if you're out of peons who easily lose the game so that's an advantage for side right now and for younger they both have Zeppelin's with oh yeah oh no everyone you know yeah caress - so to Zeppelin's here yeah very smart so pretty cool that the the ending of this game is a little bit different from yesterday they're really weakening each other and if I mean it's funny to think that between the three players they had what fifty five sixty thousand gold and now between the three of them they don't even have 1500 gold so it's it's interesting how they balance it without knowing each other's gold counts you know it's coming down to the wire now [Music] and that's what we often have in these FAS that we have the base race games if it's like in semifinals not so much because we're very often we had disappointing semifinals and more like because there's so much on the line and people players tend to play more carefully but this one is really a nice one I really enjoy it so far and I enjoyed base races smalls so that's my that's my thing to play it and to watch it so will be interesting here yeah a whole new set of skills comes into play at this stage of the game right like micro and macro and things like that doesn't matter so much it's more so decision-making scouting you know preserving your base saving acolytes really scouting more than anything so we'll see how these players play it here but at the very least they should be destroying some proxy buildings I don't know if just you know sitting around and waiting is gonna do much for you and sometimes I sometimes I see these one-on-one games and everyone's hyped about late game base races which are much less common in one-on-ones and then you see these highly skilled players they're like these extremely good players and they failed so hard and in base races just because they're not that used to it yeah they panic so hard at times yeah and in FFA because it's so much more common I do like I I mean in generally it's it's a different game mode but I think many FFA players are much better in the space race situations like this decision-making hike units height building so that's that's I think one of the few things we're really I think many of of april's have an advantage over one-on-one players and I'm not sure if you've watched grubby streams for like sometimes he's facing gradient which is one of the ones legends of the FML community polish out there who is always going for that line of action protectors in his main basic and harassment I bet grow he loves that either he's a legend and he's a gradient as one of that he seems he appears weak sometimes but he's so strong and based racing and easy to know estimate some of these players you can see he's think that they're not as strong because they have weak micro or something but the game sense can make up for a lot of that he had Castle great gradient bit grubby multiple times in free-for-all ladder Wow and also 101 he pit him against with cameras that was still in the art collection of our FML discord server bit grubby with cameras I mean you really you really shouldn't estimate you know free-for-all players there's definitely a good amount of free fall players that have very very good skilled players you know not only with MA skills but good micro and macro as well when it comes to these army compositions and food counts you know I would usually take almost always take an experienced free-for-all player over a pro solo player if I were to peddanna me but also on the other hand I mean we have to say a one-on-one player is obviously do too it's much harder to learn micro skills so as we see with side and Neutron it is possible for one-on-one players to learn FFA more quickly than for obviously than for an FFA player to learn professional one-on-one but usually it's more frustrating too because you're winning chances naturally are lower and FFA because only one player can win a four and then one-on-one you have 80% win-win share in in 101 you're not used to losing a lot of FFA game so that's why only and if there's a banner that's a good point though and the solo player comes from the scene and they're dedicated and they stick around you know becomes very scary yeah so back to the game here guys they've decided basically that and I think correctly that they're not going to be able to Wan want yonkers heroes and an army right now so they're deciding to search for his buildings and they've been doing that he's all but almost eliminated right there's only just Zeppelin's and peons left now if they do that if they manage to eliminate him well it's aliens game right it's outside of an amazing battle from the undead player to destroy you know alien Shadowhunter or something like that so we'll see I think that I don't know it's difficult to say you know what's gonna happen here the inside seems to piece here is not attacking Younker any longer so I think yet side realizes Jonker asks him if he's able to win alien alone and I think deep inside him he knows site knows that he's not able to win against alien alone probably so he needs to stop now and yeah as you say younger is down to just two buildings and not much gold so I think at this point or three buildings I think at this point he should sell some items as you say like this helm availa for example not really useful anymore at this point it's more useful for him to get up to 800 gold so that will be my yeah right get another great haul I will say that I think the undead has a decent chance at beating alien one-on-one if it comes down to it just cuz alien doesn't have that many items left and the undead still has critical ones like three spells shields staff of silence infernal stun sleep you know with a really well-placed battle he could he could win there but of course we're not at that stage yet you guys down to one building that it really no yes one one bar here okay so but you always want to have the gold usually unless you can't do it somehow you always want to have called for at least two more great holes in this situation just so you can for example if you get revealed I have your last great hole becomes scouted quickly you want to be able to cancel a get one more or get two so you don't if you have items to sell you don't want to be stuck on he's down to 240 gold he build one Great Hall now in the north so I think he should pass a shop rather soonish and sometimes you just like you're just too far away from shops or market so you lose a hero and it's very unfortunate to lose a hero with full items and then run out of gold to keep buildings I see the chat asking about balancing and you know what's the point of being strong or playing well if it's just gonna be balanced at the end anyways it does happen often times but there's also moves that you can make to win as the winning player and for example when when Younker was you know destroyed their heroes down here he could have came in here and killed the undead heroes and potentially won the game at that point said you know setting up a final one one versus the orc so there's always decisive moves to be made it doesn't always come down to this back and forth balancing but of course it is part of the game when when the stakes are so high yeah rarely on highest level the weakest players win it all and also a view you have to consider if a player always plays weak and pretends to be weak at some point he like he will be known for that and other players will not will not like or not believe him anymore he's really weak so it's like in history the strongest player have won more convincingly and have one more dominantly so in some games it's like you have to in many cases you can't just bulldoze over all three other players from start because you're up against nine other heroes and much more gold or a bigger economy so you can't win it straight up that's the fun of FFA so that's why in some cases it can be more useful to pretend to be weak but pretending to be weak all the time is usually not the way for dominance and can like if you want to have some fun still it's much more fun to kill some heroes than sitting in your main base for two hours and pretend to be weak so yeah I guess it will suffer with your heroes as well right a few exactly if you're just playing possum yeah and if you're just if you once you have high-level heroes if you just sit in your main maze others will start to team you rather sooner than later because if you just sit people will know that you feel confident to win the game with just sitting so it's not going to work it's going to work on leather but it's not going to work in so Julian turned around and started fighting side now that junker doesn't have many buildings it wasn't able to kill a hero and now they're both on him again we're gonna see the first person to lose a hero really gonna be in a bad spot here alien tried to team against side but that didn't work oh and he's revealed he's using the reveal manop so he's not building another great wall here to stop the reveal obviously if you get another main building you reveal it's going to be stopped but he uses it as a manner so he's getting revealed potentially here just to avoid Clank plotters white for the teaming which can be very smart can also be very dangerous if one of the other players has a lot of stuff still I always yawn sorry low 150 pretty Saiga Boy Scouts that did he does he infernal I think so too and it's these situations are pretty tense because you like if neither side nor Jonker can be teamed really and I can i right here guys oh yeah he might die not robbing the orb though well there was a purge he had time to TP out yeah but asleep on the TC TP yeah he's he wants to save the TP but that might be the big mistake with a crit he's kind of dead hex is over brood she's just walked through this off my god man that was so greedy by him if if junker heads and Yaga could have dropped the that's something something some or players do but it's also risky to drop the upper flight nning just see don't you don't accidentally dispel the the hex so you can always hex tom paxton and that case the the DK would have been dead but it's also very risky because the item can get picked up so aside did a double-click TP if you guys notice that or not so he's TP towards that direction well I'm not sure if aliens saw that or not or will use that information later it's incident photo once again I'm gonna kill that Great Hall with it'd be interesting to see here and also what we should mention can't come can become very important Jonker has the best map vision here by far yes still rewards all over the map he really didn't see it did he he's just walking straight past it he's no clue Oh side is that could easily lose his heroes here if he's not careful but yes spell shield saving him for now and Jonker is still like soccer doesn't want to help at this point imagine of speed scroll right now there could be right name of the coffin for side yeah you can't get away though TC being slept very smart by side to do that and I like that young who wrote that he doesn't know where but he he saw it yeah yes every ward here and to walk by we pass by with it all you saw it but sometimes you don't want to help its just risk for yourself to lose it here or so tonight is a teepee again and now they they potentially piece against side here and site is not excited what's to prevent that of course that's such a cool dynamic and that's a that's a fun part of this reveal like you see when a player gets revealed but you don't see when a player is like stops to get revealed so you own our good on gas oh yeah the world's big Snell without the PK yeah so that worm is dead so you only see the great hole so both players should know now that there's this great hole and that it was built because they see it on the mini-map but obviously is not revealed any more right now so can build other stuff and side should get away here I think he still can't forget especially with spirit link and bloodlust there's just no way he can win a fight here he really needs needs to snipe these casters if he wants to take a fight and even then it's very risky I think you guys close daily other team you can say lien after this thing under the radar you can ensue prepare for the base race really Yonkers has fused buildings and he just needs to scout and try to stay alive right now okay they finally find the Great Hall the insight is continuing to I mean they saw the Great Hall I I forgot to mention that if he was revealed really they see it on the mini-map right like he was revealed so you see once it's built and only after that for the next Great Hall you you don't have that you don't have that reveal anymore so I think why do you attack him then with the infernal a good question I don't know maybe they want to get rid of this first it's easier to I mean this is probably sometimes knowing like knowing where this all is or if alien knows about this one based on that TP okay just going is enough right like because at the very end you'll know what your final thing is that you have to destroy but yeah you probably could have got it with the infernal there yeah and I put my just just for you knew I put it in this situation I put my mini-map to black always to like black background because it becomes way more easy to exceed stuff sad is hating that I know but you're not used to F of a yet maybe and if you do that you see some of these buildings much more easily and you see all these sentry wards here by by younger so yeah that witch doctors come in come in handy with all had worked all of it yeah in general the scouting for orc with mirror image and witch doctors is insane yeah so sure an advantage for can this situation I guess I like that's the beauty of FFA everyone can win and race wise player wise and walk has some really cool things to work with like sentry Ward's also bets can be very efficient early on and obviously high-level stacked heroes so and undead as we see you usually on it very nice in base raised to because you can get just you you need one acolyte and you can get necropolises all over the map but if you don't have gold it doesn't really like you can't really do that so yeah in another town portal of course you still might attend shalese he has these act lights you know around here do you think he should sell items right now because I think you should I think it's it's more of yeah me after one more Decker Paulus right like in a jam yeah would you sell something like the OP of corruption right now maybe I don't know like op of corruption in this situation you're probably not going to kill a hero with with like non spell damage anyway so I'd have to say I mean is coming in here that's very dangerous for a side potentially one thing that he could sell for sure is the boots on a death knight you never need boots on death knight you just need boots on Lich and dread Lord because of glitter dread lord have boots of speed they're the same speed as a death knight without boots yeah you're right 125 gold plus 153 yeah you'd have enough for a necropolis or an invulnerability potion and we see right now like these are the tents late-game situations where there's so much on the line and one wrong move can easily lose you the game within like 1 or 2 minutes so everyone wants to scout the map first make sure that everyone is like really that as weak as he pretends to be and so it's at some point someone will mate need to take the initiative but right now I think Elian has a lot of almost buildings still and has strong heroes here and 26 supply only but yacker has all these sentry wards and I think they will they may be a game-changer here let's see he also has most applets side said to to alien that yoga has an expansion at 6 o'clock and he's checking it now and it's not really six o'clock it's more like 5:30 or something but alien didn't see it so he might be thinking that side is lying about this yeah that's a weird dynamic now and so on suicide mr. good guy yeah an alien is saying that he thinks that the purple or has a hidden army somewhere and that he does have an air unit to scout it yeah of course doesn't have that but you know if he can get side to help him eliminate the purple orc you know then he's got to feel that's his best chance to win and it's not uncommon to see hidden air armies in FFA on a map like that where there's a lot of water in the corners so you can in many cases we saw players winning with just armies that are not getting scouted or that did not get scouted all over the game but on on highest level that corner scouting is so important so you usually good players will always at some point sent air units in in every corner just to see if there's any hidden army but in this situation obviously they should they should be safe to say very soon that everyone's out of gold and out of units so now we know yeah yeah but anything can happen here so who do you think is anyone hats sexy is anyone a head you're saying yeah I mean it's tough to say right like I would say that I would think either the orcs are ahead right now and undead still isn't last I mean the undead really needs they really he really needs one of the works to be eliminated or to lose their shadow hunter or or something like that to happen just because he's not gonna win in hero arena outside of an amazing fight which of course side is capable of doing and then the fact that I would just say his experience of hiding buildings and things like that is probably not as great I like yonkers heroes so I'd say that he probably has the advantage despite not really having any buildings the fight the fact that he does have the best fighting army and he has sentry wards around the map as well as you know the items to sell so he can rebuild great halls with a peon so I'd say probably purple is in best spot followed by alien followed by the undead but it's it's definitely anyone's game so it's about the first one to commit don't make the first mistake it's the grand fenders on the line super passive again someone someone wise writes in the FML twitch chat that we should we should help viewers with the real viewers to find our stream on Google by twitch viewer as we as if we had no real viewers until NASA get the out of Auschwitz shed behaving so well until now for 230 all of a sudden the family is watching you know I'm going back to work with pairs we pressed 10:30 p.m. so I thought everyone would be in bed right now all the children in the US you know that they are taking things very seriously maybe alien let's let this newborn watch this game just to learn from him the Great Hall it's funny not only is this spacebar binded you can see that the letter G is binded yep inside is trying to ease it a bit with this funny chat but it's still if this is your second last great hole you're not amused to see it being killed by an infernal so a chat is nice for us but if like you're really trying to win at some point you're not going to you don't really care if a player's nice or not if he kills you a great hole he kills a great hole so did you miss the Zeppelin the bottom right it's so close it's nighttime now Oh God like if he really goes into the corner that's why you don't keep it entirely in the corner but more close to the mainland just so it doesn't get scouted if someone waypoints something into the corner Oh as we see here it's it's pretty close but I think he sees it now actually if he checks the mini-map yeah you should see it now despite night time I think oh and he's scouting the Oh going for it he goes for it alright is this the end of side big stop there's so many core disables but right now there should be like with stomping hacks there should be like perma lockdown yeah but no way he'll use hex first he you stomp first which allowed him to TP but yeah like you said with spell shield the frost armor with perch - yeah yeah it is but it's right O'Neill the stomp X rotation can't theoretically kill any hero once they're both level three skills specialist or imbalance like it's really the only item we consider to remove from FFA maps but then again I guess we see here it's also it can be kind of fun like it can be fun because it's in love but it's still like it's an item that has too low of a cool-down so it's oh the DK here sheepy anymore right boom shock whale dead and that last you know aura against endurance and stomp and Hanks side it was nice knowing you buddy but you will not follow Newton into the final what happened there guys he just he just caught him leaving his face I guess he did he had sentry wards on the map yeah he probably knew or Paulus was [Music] he yeah oh yeah but it won't help how did where did he reveal from a tile set up blade storm here how did the work reveal there he has something close to a lap I guess he has a dust and the teasing videos does he buy dust yeah yeah right side out I mean it's not entirely out right I mean yes three hundred three gold still and he has an echo light and if he sells buildings he can't get back his here at least i selling items because he rose and he's saving his oh and he found he found the zeppelin here he's getting a little revenge right now at least and the great whole is getting killed as well so it's heating up now and ellie and obviously trying to go for young kernels and if alien wins next fight here he is all of a sudden in the best spot and Jonker might be forced to peace with side again losing both wyvern they're two out of three and interesting thats i didn't have the frost worm with his army with the frost firm he could have defended against those three heroes probably oh he found the Burrow with the worm he did he found the pearl and the zeppelin all that sig side making quite an impact up so all these heroes are down why we're coming in for the rescue oh boy I'm important to you have that shaman's dead before the first fight that bloodless would have made a huge difference and now ollie perched TP out then see Jesus Christ ah if you were to drop the purge orb the shadow hunter would have been dead yeah yeah that's why you should drop it in this in these situations like it's so much value if he lose it and yeah we do see side holding some grudges now obviously and yeah um he's selling all his main base so he will get a hero back I guess that's the thing and he can still get sell some items so I think he could get all his he respect if he has the time right now what wait he's about to see the Great Hall upper left as well oh he saw it right in muscle yeah I think it's daytime he should have seen it he's moving left yeah immediately and le and also scouting the necropolises if he hasn't done so before so and this is a very important echo polish for side because if he wants to get his heroes back that years only this one necropolises the south and there's not much more potential to get he respect but he's getting the alphabet now so he will get his heroes I think even if he gets the time you might be able to get back all heroes we'll see making to kill the Zeppelin as well okay Yoga has to engage first serpent one of the game as well all right surprise factor working in his favor now in psh Oh Elian it's not a good spot for there with TC here yes I don't also wow he wave comes in Oh TP up before he's ready UK what the Euro kill what's going on and one building so side can't kill him anymore he's building one bottom left still let's all know he's got a shot on her Blademaster coming back see he won't expect it purges out again range is something I don't know God it looks like it silence again no one stopped to sexist it wasn't to save him to a ward here of yonkers so he sees the the Blademaster if he gets too close to that to the honors right now step up silence again can he save him somehow PPE but he can't revive his hero he can't revive his TC I mean he can if he sent some items but doesn't I mean he has no peons out on the map so you need so get a peon first because he has no auto right now but I think he could even try to tether and the TC if he sells some items but if he sells items he can definitely not take a fight against junker any more younger still pretty stacked here but yeah dreadlord is going to get come back at some point and he didn't summon that necropolis to revive it so he is down to one two buildings here but Yonkers down to one building as well that's right next to just to here okay but site knows about the borough it see see now he's now revealed Oh alien Kenny win this now if he doesn't lose his heroes so and building gone they were site through mistake by his side i think he needs yeowwww war male they're kind of weird right yeah I don't know I mean maybe he was scared to just lose his last building with the Zephyr or something so he better goes forward like this formal before like walnut has the bells through is I think best value for money if you just get me to get one building as an orc in the situation that can last for bit right but he's also out of lumber almost so I think it might have been a mistake so he also got the one will to get some lumber because he doesn't have enough lumber to get another to get another great hole I think really finds it though so you get that Oren quickly oh but there was a watch award how can you miss that storm almost in for the hex but yeah triple hero here for Yonkers so dreadnought is back where's the dreadlord here he's in the Zeppelin isn't a Zeppelin tell some items guarded by the worm and he get another he could if he sells his items I think yeah you should one hero like on the other hand do you really think you should get another hero I think dratted like he will lose his heroes anyways an infernal is the way to win this I think he should rather sell items to keep gold for buildings I think that would be the best the goal for Patriots yeah I mean he his heroes won't do much here except the dreadlord so I think it's a good call by him to not revive another hero but I think he should consider to sell his items because his system pollicis scouted so he's in a in a bad spot if he's up against alien and he's yeah he's losing his second last echo lied here no there's one more here let's he have a death knight or just the dreadlord no just the dreadlord he's down to in the walk it's due right what do you mean oh yeah just the druther okay just retinol and one worm that worm could be very important here I think he should start to attack Elian at some point because he has a lot of buildings and he I don't think he can feel comfortable to base race Elian at this point but if Eddie and loses some more buildings I think he can even God sorry interrupts you there alien got his torch chief in back and side needs to be sending out its infernal right now he has his dread lord for a reason he needs to send his infernal to these buildings it doesn't matter which work in my opinion I think you should go for it yeah I don't know I mean I'd finish it's difficult because he can't go for alien because alien knows where is mecha policies but he can't go for Jonker I think because I think you should just wait and try to prepare but he is attacking Jonker here I think that's a mistake honestly but not that easy to say I don't know sight knows that there's the war mill maybe he thinks it's the last building but even then how do you take out the main build of alien that's so many yeah and he won't be able to do so I think in time he needs to sell some items first because he has no gold for further buildings and if this neck of polished I dies and it's scouted by alien if it dies he will get revealed so he needs more buildings if he wants to win bass race against alien so that's why I think he should either stay under the radar right now or try to weaken alien and try to get more buildings but it's difficult because it really has no gold and I'm not sure what kind of items still has so we can't see it right now yeah now sure if you could sell items make another necropolises assuming you probably could well yeah I think you're right all these buildings up here from alien it's gonna be difficult to you know destroy them just with repetitive infernals over and over again before the war player can find these last buildings yeah and if alien doesn't up you should easily be able to like this one will dice by like with one blade storm and also this great hole should be killable but obviously there was entry what's all over this place so you can't just dive into it because you risk losing a hero but since there is no dock that dock was killed just seconds ago he can just wait in theory and hope for these sentry wants to run out and try to chat a bit like I was running for alien here slides less building right second but yeah and also that last Perl here but I think the anchors should really try to piece with side here that's his only chance i I think only chance to win I guess but I mean you never know for sure I mean his heroes are still gonna probably win worst at work I like the fact that he built a great Hall right here like maybe at first thought you'd say oh why doesn't he hide it in a different spot from the war mill but really this is his last stand so to have two buildings in the same spot is easier to defend rather than having them in you know opposite corners at this stage yeah you're right like that aliens heroes are so bare I think they like he's really at risk of losing here he's selling more items so he's down to no items on the TC no items on the SH and just three items oh and yeah chris diving here there's nothing on the TC anymore so no saving him I guess I think that's very risky move by alien to just idle here on that side means I guess maybe doesn't know there's so many witch doctor warts but so all of a sudden sites position becomes much better if this side needs to throw it dreadlord he needs to move his dreadlord and usually infernal so the TV is finally dying for the second time but boy it feels comfortable he needs to protect his main building I guess and this is the last one too and he's over well he's he's not chasing up now he's chasing better tasking there you go the TC is quite quick but he's going to get it I guess it's no chance against with water yeah 100 back step there we go is it just a warm ill guys it's just the warm ale yep and the peon is being chased by a frost worm it's a great sport I think bladestorm will kill that warm ill or just about bladestorm plus a vulnerability it doesn't know for sure if it's the last building so the black mess has no orb anymore you can't attack the worm I can't protect the peon yeah and you should forget the anchor has a lot of golden items still so in theory if you would have saved that peon you could have gold as a peon right here where is it right here there it is in that should move on over here but yeah you're right you could sell items and build another Great Hall you should do so I mean it's lost buildings so maybe you forgot about that peasant it's easy to miss it maybe but now he's it's not selling I mean he could at least I don't know what item you do sell in the situation I mean I guess one of the at least one of the cactus gems yeah yeah the khadgar's gem I'll say that maybe because fights are not lasting that long in this situation and SH has a lot of mana even without the pendant and you know right yeah alright that I would agree with those two you could possibly sell a class +12 but just because a lien has doesn't have a TC anymore and has no item so he doesn't need us to per stack Blademaster anymore you really just get any items just the three heroes will beat the two orc heroes every time yeah and these are the situations where if side was no undead but human or elf or something you could try to get an island right now with one building on it so that's something and that cannot do obviously because you need blight so right he meets a necropolis really okay so Yonkers revealed yeah although where is yeah he also use it as a minute now maybe so but he needs to be careful because it's P honest if he gets a new great hole it will be revealed obviously on a mini-map so I think it would have been the better call for him to sell items and get a new Great Hall like this reveal is just an invite now for right bears to finish him she could have built another Great Hall while this one was building to right so it wouldn't been revealed yeah and it's tough for him to leave because obviously this is his only building but yeah he should absolutely walk over the shop sell some items and at least be ready to make a Great Hall here if not make it now or make something yeah and that's only one air unit out on the map so even if he builds the Great Hall and cancels it he can still use that Zeppelin to fly over water and be somewhat safe so there's only one unit that can kill that can kill you above the water now and it's this warm and it's like it's a very sacred worm so it's probably not going to move yeah I think he knows where he is because of that serpent ward over there yeah I think he knows I mean he tried to kill it right like he was just not capable of doing so and I mean alien still has most buildings by far so that's the one to team in my eyes but yeah he's getting the TC bag oh and this is so risky to get that warm out here and it's expose yeah and it's visible on the mean map I mean it's it's not saying much time he doesn't have wood for the hall I guess right he is only 150 he needs to use that one peon to get more I mean we could buy a shredder I guess I mean never mind he has no supply there's no supply yeah yeah but he could like it will take him a long time to get gold here yes I also get sorry okay there's one island on this map it's right here right is this still an Allen or did you guys edit this to where it's not buildable honestly I'm not sure which map we use to remove the bridges but I think unless you're human you cannot like you can get farms up here like there are islands here and there is one where what there's one higher the final that I played on this map versus alien and j33 I lost because he had a tree up here and I couldn't win this tree I won my first FML match against alien on this map where he spawned here and I add my last building here on this island so that was my first first win and we do see Jonker killing that great hole here and spikes since the buff spikes are really strong so it's actually quite painful to kill buildings with melee heroes right let me say this is actually maybe smart that he built this war mill up here because he needs to lumber but also because he's in close proximity so that allowed him to to kill this great hall because he was within range of defending his war mill obviously not they're not really going for it you know alien is frankly scared that he's gonna come in here now one thing that alien could do if he had the gold plastics I wasn't saying is Epling to protect his heroes because the orc player sold his orb right so now Zeppelin's not very strong but it doesn't look like yet pulled to do that and good call by side here to finally getting the second necklace especially since the first one is going to get killed here so he's forced into doing so but yeah he sold some items so well done and he is discovering the pion so everyone Yahoo is on site right now and side is killing aliens peon which obviously reveals his position here and that was his last beyond yeah yeah yes only the three euros so that's an important kill here and he will be revealed right so and he will never get back to things so yeah everyone will be revealed soon and unless except except side right yeah I'm sort of life but I think you could I think alien nose rather snicker POTUS is simply because he saw the Dreadnought so if there's a Zeppelin with the dreadlord you can imagine that there's some echo light nearby so I think Ellie knows that there's the nice flooding out already like he lenses look if I'm right it's the last bill and so this is a very scary situation here for side but finally Jonker got enough lumber here I think you should try to get more lumber and Eddy in is revealed now so these are the nail-biter finals they all Mayo biter base races we like to see let's like yanker or side will probably die how do they get rid of alien infernal can kill like 10 buildings easily over time but it's just because yanker is not revealed any more right now like they know but it's super risky to make any call right now and I think side just needs to wait and hope that no one will try to finish him because of one infernal like want read Lord will not make it win the game against any of these orcs with with these buildings still and he's moving out with the infernal but that infernal will die I think quicker than it can deal any damage to that Great Hall not already this cookie was a blade storm against this building Elian let's I think aliens best chance here trying to go for it but it's so risky like if Ellen loses the black muscle right now it's really fun and the worm is hexed here in the back no no orb on the Blademaster again yeah yeah and that when will survive but it will take a long time for that one to get back up to full HP doesn't ever go like he needs to go over blight right so luckily there's some light here yeah but I was chasing yeah but I don't think he can ever kill that room I think they're gonna try to go all in yeah Ellen is moving with the plate master right now but I think he needs full mana on all three heroes and just try to die for it that peon is super important right now I needs to be so careful with the blade master like there's no more windwalk right now he needs some more it's yes no it's tempting I guess for him to go for that peon right now because he knows that I'm a super important here and that peon tries to get some more lumber but how much how much lumber is a great whole one ninety or something 185 so that will be some work for that peony yeah he did it once as I was moving with this infernal and I think side may be moving in here with the infernal I'm not I mean I was I would just stay under the radar just do nothing here but maybe it's the wrong call it's I think selling this orb maybe was a mistake you know there's critical hits on the infernal you'd like to be able to purge something of course [Music] got two hits before it died straight up not lying throughout the entire game three hours this is a good guy yeah this game has gone on obviously almost three hours to me it doesn't feel like it's been that long thirty action-packed throughout and I think a testament of the game I mean we still have the north of two thousand viewers right now watching the game so that's pretty cool it's glad to see and that's the downside of attacking someone's lost building so yankor found it I found that necklace and it's going for it and if he uses bladestorm site needs to be quick here yeah okay he's getting another necropolises I guess but that's a downside if you text someone on one hand you are showing that you are willing to take some action but also in making your enemies so he's gonna lose that second lost building oh that was really close and it's smart that he obviously has a staff a teleportation because he can go and seek these buildings with just the Blademaster and then TP back right just like what he's doing and Elian I think instead of using all his mana here for wind walk should just stay stay back get full mana with that see if it's all right still no he sold all items should get full mana and try to maybe bladestorm these buildings I don't know nice necropolises right for first side it's a really good spot I think I mean obviously like he I think he by losing his other neck of Pallas I think he did you don't want to waste you don't want to spend your last gold on this at this in this situation so I think that was a mistake by him but yeah I guess alright where's the Zeppelin by the way ah there at the bottom he is still flying here a trivial item to find his pee on it's literally right there chopping wood like a you know great yeah you can't kill it with a wind wall cool down right I guess you're right I mean you can try it but if one wrong hacks and the black masters down need to hope for it and that blame us is your last chance to finish these buildings I think there's not really a way to finish them without wind without plate storm ooh and this is inside doesn't want to do it's the Zeppelin here so I think it's pretty obvious what alien inside need to do what what do you think Yankers should be doing right now high-tech I mean is it smart just to just try to find buildings with the playmaster is there anything else that you'd be doing I think it should weaken alien trying to weaken weak an alien right now but it's it's happen if you plant you just you just give your enemies time to rev up to get mana on all heroes so I think in either finish side try to piece with the side or try to weaken alien that's the only options he has it's so hard to say and I mean it's really not easy in this situation to make a right call I still think he has some items to sell and he almost has enough lumber for another for another great haul so I think it time maybe even place in his favor here if he has two great holes next to each other I maybe he was just winning that I don't know science giving up on Janka I guess insight just revealed that he's down to one necropolis I think that's a mistake and if you really have one like a palace only I think it's a mistake to say that because it's too risky if it's scouted it like one blade storm almost kills it provoking obeyed so your opponent thinks you're down to one yeah yeah that's why I said earlier it's side like if he says that you you I think you can't believe it I don't think he's lying about it but maybe it's the one time you can't maybe maybe yeah you're right I mean we are observers we know okay so they sites trying to convince alien to dive this on the other hand I don't know if site like I mean I can't finish alien alone I guess so it's sign needs to hope that they are going to weaken each other so I think side should just do nothing right now second warmer here yeah that's good HP it doesn't constantly number I do you think it's a mistake by alien to wait that long right now because I mean obviously as he sees right now yeah Kerr is getting more buildings so the longer he waits the more difficult it will become to finish him so he just said that it's here so he he's gonna maybe use a dust thinkin the blade masters there Oh dread lawyers it's down on the bottom on the ground yeah no all right so only SH can with auto attacking can and and then separate Ward's here yeah but it's all but safe and going up an infernal on the three orc heroes hope alien can defeat them I guess alright here's the drop site is going in its the blade master backup what will you just leave him alone where's it TC why isn't why is aliens TC down there I was gonna lose a shelter I thought fully committing though yes yeah becomes played storm and the worms and the dreadlord they're going all out on Janka yeah but I don't think that's enough here and that dreadlord is going to die understand the dreadlord needs to put him in a Zeppelin look healthy as well notice just gone oh don't reveal though a proposal can't get him chuckwei fat he's dead as well okay so that was failed by side and by Elia Wow shadow hunter has no items TC has no items alien has 62 gold what can you do Wow I mean alien has two heroes still with so it's shockwave I think he could it's I don't think it's going to work I mean I think he could kill the Great Hall and the warmer easily but I'm not sure if it will be enough for the second one will honestly but maybe you should invest into Zeppelin and maybe that's what he's going to do now realizing that there's no op - yeah and he has no items though and sixty-two gold so forget what I said yes I made a huge mistake there right like they lost the dreadlord by not having the Zeppelin ready and then of course the blade master died to a dust which I don't know if that's necessarily a mistake but just a really good play to dust randomly and destroy the plate but I mean alien didn't have his tauren chieftain right like I would have liked to see the trailer drop infernal and then maybe the dreadlord you sleep on you know the orc heroes and then give alien advantage to fight with his TC and a shadow hunter and blade master and possibly win that but without sleep without the tauren chieftain man and then when I mention sight wins it with that one worm and it can happen so we do see Elliot I think if alien just finishes both buildings but loses both eros as a decent chance for that worm to finish the game would see hunter yeah but like it doesn't look for alien as if he's going to like I think it is this is yonkers game dams like a lot of what's here but that you see is yeah so much for the shockwave plays they're still hang for though he gets full mana yeah all right Shadowhunters God in shockwaves the Great Hall butt's getting hexed immediately worms not in this table here so stomp and backstab and that's the triple kill right here aliens losing everything can't do five right so that one worm and that one echo live there's some serious damage here yeah then echo light won't it is the chair isn't the finals again Luka didn't look too good for some time got teamed up for like 30 minutes but that madman did it again so we had yeah 950 units that lost their lives here in this game 800 many more right know roughly nine hundred fifty units nineteen hero kills for younger ten so definitely deserved and yeah gold wise it was completely equal much so amazing match yeah I really enjoyed it I hope you too absolutely even though it was completely different than yesterday it just showed a very different appeal of FFA with the super late game and a little more diplomacy it a little more teaming yesterday it was awesome yeah today was I would say more than normal regular FML match so usually it's more like the balancing world to go forward a bit longer and you don't have this piecing until three wait so yeah again yes thank you so much for yeah for joining us and for for streaming and bringing FFA to wider audience so who's the final now we saw Janka winning and yesterday we saw a neutron winning who are the other two and why didn't they play semifinals so the two players their most points in the stand up bracket which was safe in that case also one of the one of the old school legends and trolls he had most points in the stand up record he is one of the finalists and quest also one of the greatest under players from Russia who made it to the top of the no chip record these two players had a free ticket to the final and then only all these following players had to play that semi finals so now we have safe we have quest we have now today we have yonkers m and we do have neutron from yesterday so it's going to be pretty stacked final so boys when do we meet for the final again yeah that will be up to the players we will I will ask you for you can stream and hopefully we'll find the time you are able to stream and cast and all players can play because it's always FA relies on players to us to find a date they can play next Wednesday would be awesome yeah we will try and yeah quest has map pic so we will know by tomorrow who is going to what map is it's going to be and we will schedule the the match on FF a message calm so that's where you always see the the schedule time at the top and I'm pretty sure you're going to post it on Twitter right yeah of course everyone every walk for three players on Twitter as we know so now only the important ones our so all publish it there so where do they find you on Twitter on Twitter my tech is fairy Drake and where did I find the twitch stream your streaming on twitch.tv slash FF a masters sleek or twitch.tv slash high tech and whether they find the youtube vods someone that's a good question on your FFA masters some new created that account I think by writing FFA Master League instead of masters so DJ and also we have sexy streams stream was about to ask him as well sexy we're a awesome addition to this do we need you back for the finals as well definitely I definitely will if you guys will have me in and I appreciate that as a lot of fun casting with you here my stream is twitch.tv slash FML underscore sexy se que si and just like the previous semi-final if you guys want to go to back to Warcraft's YouTube channel when you uploads this I will post a comment with links to the FL f a masters disc or channel that you guys can join the most common streams SFA masters website as well so check that out we definitely encourage you guys to join the community and really appreciate you Neil for sure for helping us out here and and it's cool to see how excited you are about the game and and your passion for it already and that's it's just all good man we really appreciate it and definitely excited to see and final which should be very good match I'm having a blast with you guys have a wonderful evening and we see each other for the finals you too Thanks have a good one all right bye-bye

Channel: Back2Warcraft

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Keywords: Warcraft, Warcraft 3, tournament, Wc3, War3, Wc 3, warcraft III, frozen throne, tft, warcraft tft, esports, rts, real time strategy, Back 2 Warcraft, Back to warcraft, Back2Warcraft, B2W, Back, Back2, B2Warcraft, back to warcraft, Neo, Remodemo, Remo, 2019

Id: f4OwVlj_wIE

Length: 187min 41sec (11261 seconds)

Published: Wed May 13 2020