VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi

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disgusting how much do you think they actually care about making this 100% unreal none they don't care at all we've seen some reaction videos from other professionals in the field we thought it'd be really cool to do one of our own so where does a bunch of VFX artists like getting together to talk about visual effects the best shots the hardest shots that maybe didn't know we're so hard the shots that didn't look so good after all we'll give you our perspective and maybe you'll learn something hopefully I thought figure I just had to say something the giant effects in Game of Thrones are by far some the best intro text ever done so here is a giant walking through water the water splashes are perfect there is so much complexity in the movement and motion that you basically have to simulate millions of particles somehow he's interacting with the wireless by slipper the camera is halfway in the water and I have no idea how they did this shot look at that because they figure out like the exact perspective the camera needs to be they basically scale the entire scene and they film him separately on a green screen combined with the fact that he's already a very large dude there's two ways you deal with compositing when you have people one they're either filming on a green screen or blue screen and you tell the computer that the green is transparent or the blue is transparent when the computer does its best to kind of figure that out the other way to do it is you hire a big team of people to sit there and cut everything out frame by frame by drawing a mask on it we're not even mentioning the fact that there's skeletons climbing up them full CG characters that's just a side thought they probably had to animate the skeletons on top of his like CG double yeah which is over top of his actual body dude I thought the scene was glorious I loved it I mean it looks very painterly but doesn't look real there's nothing like it's tough to make a dragon look real because there's no such thing contact shadows yeah and that's always been a struggle it's like a fluid overload the floating hand effect you know yeah like you got to try to get this shadow just right that's beyond the shadow - it's like the motion of the hand like if the emotions not really touching something and it doesn't it can't rest on something it looks funky but this is pretty good contact shadows are being cast from light still and in this case there's still a dome of sky above him which is what's causing the light and Dragons blocking half of its the contact shadows should only be really getting a directional soft light from the side and the top it should be just an even blur all around his fingers it's like you'll see the shadow on the top and the bottom of his fingers and the shadow should really only be on the bottom of singers we're literally talking about the compositing one tiny stage of an entire workflow and pipeline it's actually like pretty good visitor here they're missing the wind from the Dragons wings as it flaps away in the bush and whatnot because if we're talking about realistic with that one wipe of the Ewings both of those actors would be flying away that's how much this is the problems like you know stimuli not only are you simulating the wind on the Dragons skin but also had foals and how it stretches and how it wrinkles and how the light passes through it and then how it influences the grass and how its influencing the dust and how its influencing the actors costumes that just it's too much it's just too much it's impossible unless everything is CG it's too much Oh dragon this is a classic this would be called twenty-three years old all the original I was confused at the time between dragon heart and Braveheart like were they the same thing it looks pretty good I mean the animation is a little clunky there's a lot of mass and once again it comes down to physics if you can just physically simulate parts of the Dragon only it's all by hand it's hard to make it look real okay so this shot perfectly demonstrates one of the challenges of early visual effects in reality shows are much more dynamic than that and they actually aren't just black their colors because shadows aren't absence of light so I could block this soft light here cutting them in space but notice there's still blue light from that light and blue light from the daylight's the parts that are close to the ground mic right there inhales close the ground that should be even darker than just that flat shadow what you're describing is called ambient occlusion heavy and occlusion which is basically just darkness that's calculated by how close two surfaces are to each other he looks a drop boom crusty dry clean spot there's no like highlights this shine basically the light reflect on its rear affecting the sky the ground the world around them it's just the dark objects you don't really see but still creates a subliminal effect on services they're something called the index of refraction and basically the more a surface gets parallel to camera the more reflective it gets so if I hold this picture towards you you can see it you can see really well maybe there's a little bit of reflection but not that bad and as I turn it more and more and more so it's parallel it becomes more and more reflective until it's almost a full mirror so on the edges of the dragon they're the highlights the reflections that shine should be stronger than other parts of the directly facing camera but you're not seeing any of the edges of his scales that are shiny should be a little extra shiny as they turn away from Cameron become parallel to life the shot of him going down the stairs is the most impressive shot in the whole movie in my opinion is that okay how do you think they did that that other actor there I think they just filmed the second take of Logan in different makeup and maybe just like me to look a little younger I would guess it's another guy and they're doing it's a head replacement a face replacement I'd say it's like some where do those guys dinkle Meyer twins from Luca vestments yeah I'd say something like that so they filmed one guy on a double and CG slot to say that's it that's that's probably the way I would do it younger Hugh Jackman is 100% digital the whole thing the actual actor is Hugh Jackman stunt double the wrinkles of this neck yeah it's the business like literally the best uncanny valley shots like they managed to digitally recreate a human face so realistically that no one could tell it was digital the whole heads the whole 100% the head basically they cut out his head around his shirt line that's so the whole neck all the head they yeah like that right there is 100% CG that face that you're looking at that's insane it's young Samuel Jackson you're still looks a little weird no that looks pretty dang real to me but that's not CG replacement that's just I don't I don't know exactly how they did that that's young Samuel Jackson 13 mil eject yeah we got a Mike knowledge thirty years ago what is this thirty years ago he's brand-new this movie came out this year as far as how they did that I don't know if they they just tracked in like some digital makeup or if it was an actual full on complete head replacement it definitely looks better than young Princess Leia one of the hardest things to get right in digital heads outside of the eyes of course or the soul this is the mouth you basically have a ring of muscle suspended by muscle that's then interacting if your teeth the way it deforms that interacts on your whole face is really challenging and you basically need to stimulate the skeleton and the muscle structure and the skin surface and how that wrinkles to get a good looking mouth all up until this point it's either hand animated somebody trying to make it look as real possible never does they got close a Smeagol or it straight a frame-by-frame volumetric capture of something just doing it so you don't to worry about any sort of animation simulation they're just watching you talk and smile and sing your lips stretch across your teeth and how it tucks in the the edge the crooked hair cabinet is moving near the hairs in the neck wrinkles come out when you move your face your ears are moving your pores stretch there's so many factors involved it's nearly impossible to get perfect yeah well I mean it is the holy grail of effects making is creating a believable human like wouldn't need to be done to make it look more readable it's a lot of being a visual effects artist half it is simulating reality the other half of it is simulating what happens to reality when it passes through the guts of the camera how does the sensor blow out doesn't blow out to pure white it's a blot to color when does that happen that blue glow from the lightning the camera would never capture it like that it's daytime meaning the camera stopped down even though the camera is exposed way down the point where the clouds aren't even white they're still glow coming through that electricity which you wouldn't get that's not how the camera captures light so that looks real those hands okay this is like real at all it's gonna look weird because there's no reference there's no there's no real-world references I don't know as far as like the actual rendering of it I don't really have any complaints it's all about the characters design and I think that's where most people are kind of complaining about it is like just the character design seems flawed the sonic has very iconic ly large eyes and in this movie he's got tiny little like regular he has like actual proportioned legs they tried to make him too much like something more familiar with and and straight a little too far away from like the actual essence of the character like there's numerous issues with the shot that green is you can see a little bit green in the grass and the top-left corner there the green of his eyes is way more saturated than the most saturated green that's in the scene the camera would be able to captured that much saturation he shouldn't be as saturated how much do you think they actually care about making this a hundred percent unreal none they don't care at all hi-yah the Davy Jones effects were so well done disgusting reaction to the quality of effects or no like the tentacles dude you're actually having an emotional reaction to what you're seeing as opposed to a critical reaction to the effects oh my god over the light yeah all those negative highlights they're challenging you out there they're putting a real head in a CG head right next to each other it is a bold shot perfectly matching the light to the other guy the artists understand understanding of the physics of light are so perfect Wow smoking blown out of his tentacle he blew that out with his dick nostril so service getting is a big deal for visual effects basically it simulates light hitting the surface of something not nearly bouncing but going in a little bit scattering then coming out it's what you get when you can like see through the edge of people's ears or shining a light through your hand there's now his eyes are real yeah they're they're taking it a little bit by actually using the real eyes the lens effects to our flaws not only is the animation from lighting materials boss their lens simulation is flawless though he's going out of focus at the edges the way that been fired behind him is being transmitted through the focus at the edges it's all perfect dude when he moves his beard each one of the tentacles have its own muscle so it doesn't whip like hair it has like each tentacle is a piece of muscle on its own that's like one of the challenges with CG rendering are details other sizes of pixels such as for example a piece of light reflection on the bumpy surface like a skin and the challenge with that is not consistent for each frame so sometimes to get flicker or aliasing one frame you've had that reflection the other treatment gun and experience back next time he's got it and it flickers on and off you sit in video games all the time so they have micro detail reflections on the skin and they are not flickering and that is a huge achievement dude I love his little freakin back sack Oh neck sack the crazy thing is all these these weird creatures on deck are all people and motion capture suits they film the entire scene with all the actors and then comped in these characters over them I know it's a lot of work imagine this seems where it's actually raining on set and that was it you guys have watched three different visual effects artists critique and review and just overall look at a bunch of effects from pop culture movies and TV shows there's your scribing to the corridor crew tail maybe hit that Bell do it no hit definitely don't consider it don't even think about it just see it through the Bell just do it just do it thank you thank you thank you why would you throw that up on the screen

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Channel: Corridor Crew

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Length: 11min 48sec (708 seconds)

Published: Sat May 04 2019

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I won't lie...as someone who works in the vfx industry these are some pretty groan-worthy takes. They don't sound like anyone who has actually worked on features before.

This is two artists who have lengthy industry experience talking about the design situation and the temp delivery vfx in the trailer.

I time stamped when they bring up how long a change like this would realistically take but after they go into why the CG looks the way it does in the trailer.

👍︎︎ 250 👤︎︎ u/MattyMcD 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

It’s like when a freshman tries to explain everything.

👍︎︎ 73 👤︎︎ u/Friend-Beast 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

These guys are insufferable. Maybe I've been doing this too long, but they sound like students trying to flex their knowledge to each other. Most of this stuff is super obvious, but they want to seem smart by throwing out buzzwords. They should know better than to bash design "choices" when they know these kinds of things are rarely the fault of a single artist or even a team of artists. Budgets get slashed, designs get reworked by boardrooms full of executives trying to appease test audiences, and too many cooks in the kitchen can spoil a shot. Art directors can force excellent artists to make bad choices. Also, multiple studios specialize in specific stages such as fur, animation, character design, and FX (fire, water, electricity, etc). Shame on these guys for trashing on people who are just trying to make a living with their art. It's one thing to be treated like garbage by the general public, but to be roasted by others in the same industry is super icky.

👍︎︎ 59 👤︎︎ u/tyrion_targaryen 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

Wow, so this post quickly went down in flames..

👍︎︎ 25 👤︎︎ u/Berserkhart 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

I had to turn that off - insufferable trio

👍︎︎ 44 👤︎︎ u/WallyBrandosDharma 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

You freaking can't compare the visual effects in Dragon Heart to the dragons in Game of Thrones.

You're talking about CG effects work that's over 20 years old.

👍︎︎ 47 👤︎︎ u/Vonnegut9 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

Oh god - I would absolutely hate to be in a room with them.

👍︎︎ 49 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ May 07 2019 🗫︎ replies

...I enjoyed the video ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

👍︎︎ 13 👤︎︎ u/pinkfloyd873 📅︎︎ May 08 2019 🗫︎ replies

I gotta disagree with them on the shot of Jon Snow petting the dragon. That shit did NOT look “pretty good.”

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/Delta-Assault 📅︎︎ May 08 2019 🗫︎ replies