Please be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello. This is a case of<i>
Hummel v. Pack.</i> Thank you, Jerome.
Good day, everyone. ALL: Good day. Ms. Hummel. You claim you were caught
in a love triangle
with the defendant and his current girlfriend, which has left him denying
he fathered your
8-month-old daughter Lola. You've petitioned
the court for a DNA test
to prove that he is her biological father,
is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Pack, you
and your current girlfriend, Ms. Fuentas,
are 100% certain you are not
Lola's biological father. And when the results prove it,
you want Ms. Hummel
out of your life for good, is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. HUMMEL: Okay,
if anyone needs a DNA test, he needs to get one
for the other child. What other child? FUENTAS: My child. HUMMEL: She just
had a child two months ago. JUDGE LAKE:
You're saying if he needs
a DNA tested for that child? Yes. What's going on with that? She has been known
to sleep around... (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) While in relationships. JUDGE LAKE: Well... Ms. Fuentas, we hate
to bring up the past, but since it's on record... Yes. You've appeared
in this court... I have. before. Yup. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) JUDGE LAKE: You've been
in this courtroom, and in this particular hearing, you pretty much
admitted to the fact that you had had sex with several members
of the same family. FUENTAS: Yes. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Yes. And there were two men
in court at that time, and the man who believed
he was your child's father was determined not to be. Correct. Yes. So, is there a reason for Mr. Pack to deny... In my opinion, no. I mean, no,
there isn't. I did, there was
an instance where me and him had gotten into
an argument and basically, I kicked him out.
I kicked him out for three days
and during that three days, (STAMMERS)
I slept with my ex. So you slept with your ex
during that time? Correct. Admittedly. How soon after that did you
find out you were pregnant? Um, to be honest with you,
I don't remember dates all correctly, but, it was probably about
six-seven weeks when I found out
I was pregnant. And so, when you slept
with your ex, did you use protection? No, I did not. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Was that within
the window of time your child was conceived? It was. It was. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) And this is baby Anthony? Anthony, yes. And so,
you admittedly say that during the window of time, that baby Anthony
was conceived, you had got into an argument
with Mr. Pack and you slept
with your ex. Yes, I did. Mr. Pack, did you know this? Yes, Your Honor, I did,
after it happened. We had ended up
getting back together, and she ended up telling me that when we was broken up,
she went to her ex's house
and slept with him. So, it brings me up,
a big concern on whether he is mine or not. FUENTAS: The baby is yours. This baby is his. I know it. JUDGE LAKE: Well, I mean,
after you described what happened, Ms. Fuentas,
there's no way we can say that.
I mean, the truth is, if you slept with the other man
unprotected during the window
of conception, as well as Mr. Pack, then there could be... The way... Well,
the way I felt about it is, if you've seen
my other two kids, they... They look identical. The one with the man
that I slept with, my ex. This baby looks
nothing like them. He looks like him.
I'm not... I mean,
I know that baby is his. So... Okay, I wish we could
go on looks, but we can't. I know. In this courtroom. <i>And the truth is,
regardless of what you think,</i> <i>and what you believe in,
you can bet your bottom dollar
if you want to,</i> it still doesn't mean anything. Because the truth is,
Mr. Pack just stated in court that he is concerned. AUDIENCE: Hmm. Yes, Your Honor. I get it. JUDGE LAKE: So,
what I want to do is, I want to finish
this case regarding Ms. Hummel's child. And then I am gonna send
you all off for DNA testing
as it relates to baby Anthony. Thank you. Because I'm a firm believer to get the whole truth
and nothing but the truth. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) And there is no sense
in getting
one paternity issue resolved for Mr. Pack,
to just walk out here
and still have a question about this brand-new baby. Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Hummel,
what was the nature
of this relationship? What... What was this
love triangle I read about? We started dating in 2015. We were...
We've been on and off
since then, and we broke up when I was about
12 weeks pregnant. Because he wouldn't get a job.
So I kicked his...out. That's a lie. That's a lie.
That's a lie. PACK: That's a lie. Let's use respectful language
in the courtroom but okay,
so you told him, get out. Yes. And you broke up with him, which means he went over
to Ms. Fuentas. Yes, 48 hours later. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) JUDGE LAKE: 48 hours later.
So at that point, when did you tell him
you were pregnant? As soon as I found out.
I was probably about
five-six weeks pregnant. He looked at the...
He looked at the pregnancy test and he almost started crying. Because he was so excited. Yes, we were trying to get back together. Do you remember this day,
Mr. Pack? Yes, I do. And you were excited? Yes, during the time,
I was excited. Because you thought
it was your child? Uh, yes, Your Honor. Somebody tells me that
there's a possibility
it could be mine, so... It's my first kid, so I'm excited to
possibly have my first kid. Understood. So, Ms. Fuentas, did you know Ms. Hummel was pregnant? I did, and we actually didn't
"get together," he did come over to my house,
and we talked about it. I actually tried
to convince him
to get back with her because I felt like
he needed to work something out with her
as far as the baby goes 'cause I know
how it feels to have, not have your kids in your life
for whatever it may be, and I've
been through this before,
you know what I mean? I have six kids,
okay? So... I tried to convince him
to get back with her and work everything out,
but that wasn't going away 'cause she wanted
to be too petty, so it is what it is
and he's with me now, so. All right. If you want more episodes
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So, Ms. Hummel, at what point
does Mr. Pack start acting like he didn't want
any parts of the pregnancy? Uh, as soon as we broke up. MAN: Hmm. No, that's not what happened.
He came to my house when they broke up.
And this was what,
three days later that had happened? Yes. Three days later,
and as we're going down the street to my
friend's house, we saw her walking
out of her house
with another man. MAN: Hmm. So, he has reasonable doubt to think that this baby
is not his. The doubt didn't begin
at the break-up, the doubt began when he saw her
with another man. FUENTAS: Yes. Your Honor, there's also
another two guys in the beginning
of our relationship before I came that lived in the vicinity
where she lived at. That is wrong. I dated one guy,
and we had broke up
in December, and we got back together
in January. That is wrong, 'cause during January to March, we didn't have no sexual... Uh, at all. So you're saying, Mr. Pack,
you didn't even have sex with Ms. Hummel during
the window of conception? And the baby
is born in November, so that time
doesn't add up. We were together
in the middle of January planning to get pregnant... JUDGE LAKE: I wanna... I wanna take some time
and talk about Mr. Pack's evidence
he's submitted. He's submitted a calendar
to the court that outlines why he believes he's not Lola's
biological father. So, Mr. Pack, you say that during January, <i> February and March,</i> <i> you were broken up
with Ms. Hummel,</i> <i> you had no sex with her.</i> Yes, Your Honor. (CHUCKLES) Lola was born November 21st. <i>So, you say, if you count back,</i> <i> the week of conception
would've been</i> <i> February 23rd through
February 28th,</i> <i> which is smack dab
in the middle of the time</i> you say you had no sex
with her because you were broken up,
is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Hummel,
you're laughing
at that timeline? Yes. Why is that? Because we got together
in the middle of January, so he's telling everybody
that we were together but we weren't having sex
or we're broken up. Okay, he was at my house
six nights out of the week. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) Oh, so you're saying
this entire time from January,
all the way till Ma... April, <i> so you're right,
that their break-up</i> <i> came like what, May,
around May?</i> HUMMEL:<i> Yup.</i> But you're saying,
throughout the time that he has outlined
that you were broken up, you were really together? HUMMEL: Yes, we were. Well, that's
a big discrepancy. Uh, yeah. We was together,
but the whole time we slept in different rooms, we didn't talk to nobody...
We didn't talk to each other barely two words out the day. And the job thing,
that's a lie. So, you admit now
you were with her, but you were sleeping
in separate rooms? She was not sleeping with me. No. JUDGE LAKE: You say
that's not true? FUENTAS: No, it's not. And how do you know? Because I don't believe it. I really just don't
believe it, so. He was trying to get a job,
and when they had broke up, "supposedly
she kicked him out" 'cause he wouldn't get a job.
That's funny, he was texting her
from an interview when he was trying
to get a job. So, it's not like,
he was not trying 'cause he honestly
to God was, so... The... This is all
interesting testimony, it just doesn't have anything
to do with paternity of Lola. (AUDIENCE CHUCKLE) Mr. Pack, <i> you aren't doing anything?</i> PACK:<i> Your Honor,
I'm not the father.</i> Are you sure
you had no sex
with Ms. Hummel during the end of February? Yes, Your Honor,
that time line
says is right there, that's exactly how it was. Okay. She needs to have
the real dad in here, not me. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. That's what... Yeah. Ms. Hummel,
in this seven months Lola has been on this Earth, has Mr. Pack had
any involvement with her? Absolutely not. Yes. Yes, he has. Yes, I have, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Has he seen her? About a handful of times,
I can count on one hand how many times
that he has seen her. FUENTAS: That's a lie. She's asked us to watch
the baby a couple of times
and we have. I mean, it's... He wants
to find out if the baby
is his, <i> that's fine but,
I don't feel like,
shunning the baby</i> <i> because of his doubts,</i> in my opinion.
But I don't think
she's his, so. Your Honor, um,
the DNA test is all I've ever wanted, and that baby is not mine,
so I'm not gonna sit here and spend my time and energy
and my money on a baby I don't believe
that's mine. JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Hummel, what are your hopes today?
What are you hoping for? That he's gonna step up
and take care of his child. Because you'd know
for certain this is his? Oh, yeah. 110%
I know that this child, my daughter, is his. Look at her, like... No, she's not. PACK:<i> There is no resemblance
at all.</i> FUENTAS:<i> None.</i> PACK:<i> Right there, none at all.</i> And what are your hopes today,
Mr. Pack? My hopes today is to prove
to her that I'm not the father, and she's gone after
the wrong guy. So, right now,
before we adjourn this court, I want
to get those results for Lola. So, Jerome, let me have
the result, please. JEROME: Yes, Your Honor. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) Thank you. You're welcome. These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics,
and they read as follows. In the case
of<i> Hummel v. Pack,</i> when it comes
to 8-month-old
Lola Hummel, it has been determined
by this Court... Mr. Pack... You are the father. I told you. You are the father. Yes, ma'am. Now, we're gonna continue... I will. ...to try to work with her
and try to do the same thing we were trying to do
in the first place, is still try to get along
with her and take care
of the baby. What are you feeling right now,
Ms. Hummel? (CHUCKLES) A lot of anger
but a lot of relief. I've known it
for the past eight months that... More than
that eight months, since I've gotten pregnant,
that he was my child's father. We were trying
to get pregnant. My daughter deserves
more than a revolving door
as a father. WOMAN: Yeah. So... (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) She's beautiful. Thank you. Well, we've made progress
but we're not there yet. FUENTAS: Yeah. Because we still have
another paternity question that we need to get resolved. So I am ordering you,
Mr. Pack, Ms. Fuentas, to undergo DNA testing
as it relates to baby Anthony. And we're going to return
to this courtroom for the results.
And Ms. Hummel, because it has been determined
that Mr. Pack is Lola's biological father, this result affects you
because this could be Lola's little brother. <i> And for that reason,
I'm ordering you to return</i> to this courtroom
for those results as well. Are we clear? Yes, Your Honor. Court is adjourned. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) Please be seated. We're reconvening
in the case
of<i> Hummel v. Pack.</i> In our last hearing, it was determined
that there was a question
of paternity as it related to you, Mr. Pack, and Ms. Fuentas. Before I read the results,
is there anything
you would like to say? Other than me just...
I'm pretty sure I know he's the father,
I'm just hoping that after this step,
we can go further in our relationship.
I really do love this man. You pretty sure? Oh, well... That's why we're here,
so... (CHUCKLES) Did you ever tell your ex that you thought
he was the biological father? I did. What was his reaction
when you told him? Um... I mean, honestly, mad,
'cause he doesn't know if it's his or not either,
so, in his eyes, he's mad that I have a baby
with somebody else, so... (AUDIENCE CHATTERING) I won't make you wait
a moment longer. Jerome, let's have the results. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics,
and they read as follows. When it comes
to 2-month-old
Anthony Pack, it has been determined
by this court... Mr. Pack... You... ...are the father. All right, sir. WOMAN: Mmm-hmm. Two children... If you keep going
back and forth between the two women,
you're gonna keep
making children. (AUDIENCE AGREEING) You all got to find a way
to break through this. Because the anger and animosity
you exhibited at
our last hearing, you can't do that
in front of the children. Now you have children
who are siblings. Yes. We've counseling and resources
for you all, please do take advantage of it, figure out how to have
this blended family of sorts, where you put the children
and their welfare and their well-being first. I wish you all the very best.
Court is adjourned. FUENTAS: Thank you. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
