>>> MY REVENGE WILL BE SUCCESS, AND I MEAN THAT. IT'S AWFULLY HARD WHEN YOU SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THESE PEOPLE ARE SO EVIL. AT THE SAME TIME THE COUNTRY CAN COME TOGETHER. I'M SAYING THIS, BUT THE COUNTRY CAN COME TOGETHER. >> YOU FAMOUSLY SAID REGARDING HILLARY CLINTON, "LOCK HER UP." YOU DECLINED TO DO THAT AS PRESIDENT. >> I BEAT HER. IT IS EASIER WHEN YOU WIN. AND THEY ALL SAID, "LOCK HER UP." I FELT -- AND I COULD HAVE DONE IT, BUT I FELT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TERRIBLE THING, AND THEN THIS HAPPENED TO ME. AND SO I MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT IT. I CAN'T TELL YOU -- I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION. HILLARY CLINTON, I DIDN'T SAY "LOCK HER UP," BUT THE PEOPLE WILL SAY IT, OKAY. THEN WE WON. I SAID PRETTY OPENLY, I SAID, "ALL RIGHT, COME ON, JUST RELAX. LET'S GO. WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT." >> EVERY TIME I MENTION HER, EVERYONE SCREAMS, "LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP," KEEP SCREAMING. YOU KNOW WHAT I DO? I'VE BEEN NICE. BUT AFTER WATCHING THAT PERFORMANCE LAST NIGHT, SUCH LIES, I DON'T HAVE TO BE SO NICE ANYMORE. WELL, I USED TO SAY, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, LET'S JUST BEAT HER ON NOVEMBER 8th. YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU HAVE A POINT. CROOKED HILLARY CLINTON, OH, SHE'S CROOKED, FOLKS. SHE'S CROOKED AS A $3 BILL. OKAY, HERE'S ONE. JUST CAME OUT, "LOCK HER UP" IS RIGHT. [ CROWD CHANTING "LOCK HER UP" ]. >> FOR WHAT SHE'S DONE, THEY SHOULD LOCK HER UP. IT'S DISGRACEFUL. >> SO CROOKED HILLARY -- WAIT. YOU SHOULD LOCK HER UP, I'LL TELL YA. LOCK UP THE BIDENS. LOCK UP HILLARY. LOCK 'EM UP. >> THAT WAS, THAT FINAL ONE, WAS JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE THE 2020 ELECTION. WHEN HE WAS CALLING FOR THE IMPRISONMENT OF HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT. >> I GUESS HE AGREES WITH -- >> BY HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL. HE KEPT SAYING, DESPITE THE LIES TO "FOX AND FRIENDS" WEEKEND CREW, WHICH, OF COURSE, THEY DIDN'T CHALLENGE HIM AFTER HE SAID THAT, HE SAID, "LOCK HER UP" REPEATEDLY, JOINED IN, AGREED WITH THE CROWD, REPEATEDLY. THE GUY COMPLETELY -- AND THIS IDEA, JONATHAN LEMIRE, THAT HE DIDN'T PUSH AFTER HE WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO INVESTIGATE HILLARY. HE DID TIME AND AGAIN, AND TIME AND AGAIN, HIS ATTORNEY GENERALS CAME BACK AND SAID, "THERE IS NOTHING TO INDICT HER ON." >> I WAS STRUCK BY HOW MANY OF THE RALLIES, BOTH IN 2016 AND 2020, I ATTENDED. THIS WAS ONE OF THE SIGNATURE PIECES OF HIS ACT, WAS THE "LOCK HER UP" CHANTS FROM THE CROWD. HE WOULD EGG IT ON AND EVENTUALLY SAY HE AGREED WITH. AS PRESIDENT, NO LONGER CANDIDATE, AS PRESIDENT, WITH THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND HIM, HE ABSOLUTELY ASKED ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS AND LATER BILL BARR IF THERE WERE MEANS TO PROSECUTE THE CLINTONS. THE ANSWER WAS NO. THEN, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THERE IN THE FALL OF 2020, WE COULD SEE THE POLLS, SEE THAT HE WAS LOSING TO JOE BIDEN, HE PUSHED BILL BARR TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS, AS WELL. THAT, OF COURSE, DID NOT COME TO PASS. IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY BARR -- >> WELL, HE SAID TO LOCK THEM UP. HE SAID BIDEN SHOULD BE LOCKED UP. HE SAID THAT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION. TALK ABOUT SOMETHING STRAIGHT OUT OF RUSSIA. THERE IS A REASON HE ADMIRES PUTIN. THERE IS A REASON HE ADMIRES ORBAN. THERE IS A REASON HE IS IN LOVE WITH KIM JONG-UN AND PRESIDENT XI. WHY HE SAYS PRESIDENT XI IS SO BRILLIANT. HE LOVES THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER OF AUTHORITARIANS, AND THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS. THAT'S WHAT HE IS PROMISING HIS VOTERS THAT THEY'LL GET IF THEY VOTE FOR HIM. >> YEAH, IN THE SAME INTERVIEW OVER THE WEEKEND, HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD GO AFTER -- IF HE WERE TO WIN AGAIN, HIS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD GO AFTER HIS POLITICAL FOES. HE THINKS THAT'D BE FAIR PLAY BECAUSE OF THIS CASE IN MANHATTAN WHICH, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT BIDEN, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH. IF THERE IS BETTER EVIDENCE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN NOT BEING INVOLVED WITH THE INTRICAIES OF THE DOJ, HIS BELOVED SON, HUNTER BIDEN, HIS OWN TRIAL STARTS IN A COUPLE HOURS IN DELAWARE. >>> JOINING THE CONVERSATION, WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK AND HOST OF MSNBC'S "POLITICS NATION," REVEREND AL SHARPTON. NBC NEWS AND MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST, FORMER U.S. SENATOR, CLAIRE McCASKILL. SHE AND JEN PALMIERI HOSTS OF THE PODCAST "HOW TO WIN 2024." GOOD TO HAVE YOU. >> SENATOR CLAIRE McCASKILL -- >> FORMER PROSECUTOR. >> -- FORMER PROSECUTOR, TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S LIES OVER THE WEEKEND, SAYING HE NEVER CALLED FOR HILLARY CLINTON TO BE LOCKED UP. AND HOW THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY PROMOTED THE POLITICALIZATION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THE MOST IS THE ONE NOW LYING, CLAIMING THAT IT WAS JOE BIDEN WHO STARTED THIS INVESTIGATION IN 2018, BEFORE HE WAS EVEN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE AND WAS SOMEHOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEW YORK GRAND JURY AND A NEW YORK JURY OF 12 FINDING DONALD TRUMP UNANIMOUSLY GUILTY ON 34 COUNTS, FELONIES. >> YEAH, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS REPUBLICANS, WHO ARE DENIGRATING THE INSTITUTIONS THAT MAKE SURE WE HAVE A RULE OF LAW IN IN THE COUNTRY THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE, THESE FOLKS ARE ADVOCATING FOR RED STATE D.A.s TO GO OUT AND PROSECUTE DEMOCRATS. DONALD TRUMP, WHEN HE GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE, WANTED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO BEND TO HIS WILL AND GO AFTER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS. WHAT THEY FORGET IS THE MOST ESSENTIAL INGREDIENT IN OUR RULE OF LAW IS EVIDENCE. AND EVIDENCE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT. EVIDENCE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN. EVIDENCE IS NOT A COMMUNIST OR A LIBERTARIAN OR A SOCIALIST. EVIDENCE IS WHAT COMES INTO COURT FOR JURIES TO CONSIDER. AND THE REASON THAT DONALD TRUMP IS BEING PROSECUTED IS NOT COMPLICATED. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EVIDENCE. I THOUGHT THIS INTERVIEW WAS ASTOUNDING IN SO MANY WAYS. HOW ABOUT HIM FIRING ALL THE GENERALS AND PUTTING IN MAGA LOYALISTS? CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO OUR MILITARY? CAN YOU IMAGINE THE UPHEAVAL THAT WOULD CAUSE WITHIN A MILITARY THAT IS SO IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW WITH THE WORLD, IN THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ON KNIFE'S EDGE IN TERMS OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN TERMS OF WHAT RUSSIA IS TRYING TO DO, CHINA'S DESIRE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR POWER IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD. SO I WILL. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MASKS SLIP, JOE, WHEN HE SAID IT IS EASIER WHEN YOU WIN, THAT PHRASE WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME. FOR A MOMENT THERE, HE WAS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HE RAN ONCE AND DIDN'T WIN. >> MM-HMM. >> YOU KNOW, REV, THE THING THAT, OF COURSE, HIS VOTERS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, BUT THEY WON'T, BUT THE THING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, THOSE SWING VOTERS WHO ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHO IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IS THIS IS A GUY THAT DOES NOT RESPECT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY UNLESS ELECTIONS TURN OUT IN HIS FAVOR. AND HE DOESN'T RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW, WHICH ACTUALLY, I THINK, IS THE BEDROCK OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. HE DOESN'T RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW UNLESS IT GETS TO THE OUTCOME THAT SERVES HIM THE BEST. THIS WEEKEND ON "POLITICS NATION," YOU ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED SOMEONE WHO CAN TELL THAT STORY AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND IT IS VERY PERSONAL TO HIM. BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP WAS CALLING FOR THIS MAN'S EXECUTION EVEN AFTER WE ALL KNEW HE WAS INNOCENT. >> DONALD TRUMP, WHO NEVER TOOK A PUBLIC POSITION ON ANY RACE CASE IN NEW YORK -- AND I'M TALKING ABOUT KILLINGS IN HOWARD BEACH, I MEAN, PEOPLE KILLED BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN -- BUT WHEN FIVE YOUNG BLACK AND BROWN MEN, TEENAGERS, WERE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH RAPING AND BEATING A WHITE WOMAN IN CENTRAL PARK, AND SOME OF US STOOD UP AND SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, THESE PEOPLE'S FAMILIES ARE SAYING THEY DIDN'T DO IT, THEY WEREN'T THERE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THEY WERE CONVICTED. DONALD TRUMP, WHO NEVER TOOK A POSITION ON ANYTHING ELSE, TOOK OUT FULL-PAGE ADS, ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY -- HE IS NOTORIOUS FOR NOT PAYING BILLS -- TOOK OUT ADS IN NEWSPAPERS AND CALLED FOR THEM TO HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY. AFTER DNA EVIDENCE PROVED NONE OF THE FIVE WERE THERE, HE STILL REFUSED TO BACK DOWN. SO ONE OF THE FIVE, WHO IS NOW A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CAME ON MY SHOW THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE, AS WE SEE THESE POLLS TALKING ABOUT BLACK MEN MOVING AWAY FROM TRUMP, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE MOVING TOWARD. HERE'S A MAN WHO COMMITTED HIMSELF TO THE EXECUTION OF YOUNG BLACK MEN, EVEN WHEN THE EVIDENCE WAS THE OTHER WAY. HERE'S A MAN THAT WAS -- MANY OF US ARE ADVERSARIES OF THE STOP AND FRISK POLICY. NOBODY WAS CLOSER TO RUDY GIULIANI IN STOP AND FRISK THAN DONALD TRUMP. YOUNG BLACK MEN ARE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER REGARDED THE LETTER OF LAW FOR ANYBODY, NOT JUST BLACKS, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR BLACKS WHEN HE RAISED IT. BUT HE HAD NO RESPECT FOR LAW AT ALL. WHEN YOU HAVE A MAN THAT NOW TALKS ABOUT JUDGES AND OTHERS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM IF THEY JUDGE HIM, IT IS A THREAT FOR ALL OF US. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS ELECTION IS MORE THAN A RACE BETWEEN TWO OLDER MEN. THIS IS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LAW IN THIS COUNTRY. >> AND HE DOESN'T RESPECT THE JUDGES. HE DOESN'T RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW. HE DOESN'T RESPECT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY UNLESS HE WINS. WHEN HE LOSES, HE UNDERMINES IT, ATTACKS AMERICA, SAYS AMERICA IS HORRIBLE. ALSO, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE JURY. >> YEAH. >> HIM GOING AFTER THE JURY EVEN WHEN HIS LAWYER SAID THE JURY DID A VERY GOOD JOB. BUT THINK ABOUT THE SACRIFICE THOSE JURORS MADE. FOR SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM WORK, AWAY FROM HOME, AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES, AWAY FROM THEIR LIVES. >> THE STRESS. >> UNDER INCREDIBLE STRESS. NOW TRUMP PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE TO TERRORIZE THEM, THE THREATS. THESE PEOPLE, THESE PEOPLE SACRIFICED AN AWFUL LOT. >> YEAH. >> AND FOR MARCO RUBIO TO -- >> FEED INTO THAT. >> -- TO FEED INTO THE HATRED, FEED INTO THE THREATS, SAYING THAT THIS IS LIKE CASTRO'S CUBA. >> DISGRACEFUL. >> FOR OTHER REPUBLICANS TO FEED INTO THAT BY SUGGESTING THAT THESE AMERICANS, THESE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO DID THEIR CIVIC DUTY, WHO WENT AND SAT FOR SIX WEEKS, THAT, SOMEHOW, THEY'RE IN LINE WITH JOSEPH STALIN AND JUST THE HEINOUS SHOW TRIALS OF THE 1930s AND THE SOVIET UNION, IT IS UNSPEAKABLE. MAKE NO MISTAKE. THESE REPUBLICANS THAT ATTACKED THE JURORS, THAT ATTACK THE DECISION, THAT ATTACK THE JUDICIAL DECISION AND MAKE THOSE COMPARISONS WITH THE WORST DICTATORS OF THE 20th CENTURY, UM, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE
