Truckers on the Frontlines of Freedom | Tamara Lich and Tammy Peterson | EP 369

we were accused of taking money from foreign entities which it's now come out that the Trudeau Foundation has been taking money from the Chinese government and then we were accused of being infiltrated by the Russians like foreign interference well I mean look at the situation that we're in right now [Music] hello everyone watching and listening I am co-hosting this podcast today with my wife Tammy Peterson we had Tamara Leach Our Guest over for dinner last night that went very well we thought it would be useful to to talk to to have both of us talk to her today Tamara Leach explains her rules in the yellow vest like rallies that occurred in Canada the trucker Convoy her role in wexit a western Canadian independence party and as I said recently her leadership in the internationally recognized trucker Freedom Convoy we discussed the current state of Canada the current dismal State under prime minister Justin Trudeau The Tyranny he Unleashed during the covid pandemic why so many patriotic Canadians are fed up and the unprecedented punishment that's been Unleashed upon those who like tomorrow were daring enough to criticize their own leaders yeah Oh Canada indeed looking forward to talking to her tomorrow maybe we'll start maybe you can let people know a little bit about you you said last night that you're from Saskatchewan she probably explained what the hell Saskatchewan is to everybody listening to begin with and then you moved to Alberta why don't you just walk through where you came from you worked for the oil in in the oil gas field too which is or an oil gas industry which is relevant so yes you want to fill people in uh I was born and raised in Saskatchewan and I lived in Saskatchewan until about 1998 and then we moved to Medicine Hat because of the Alberta Advantage at that time we had really low energy prices there and a lot of people a lot of Saskatchewan people ended up in Alberta and uh predominantly I worked in the energy sector there in logistics and organization and administration which is basically how I got involved in this because that was my skill set so I offered my services so what what exactly were you doing you worked in logistics Administration so what were you doing in the oil patch and you said also you were mostly working with men what skill set did you develop I discovered I was really good at organizing um I looked after frat Crews I organized the Frat Crews and our fracturing jobs and so I was organ I was responsible for finding the equipment organizing the chemicals the sand I dealt with the sales people and and uh Calgary and of course our managers and stuff so and I discovered that I was really good at putting all these pieces together and very helping patriarchy destroyed the planet yes that's right and really really you know tight deadlines and and such so and I reveled in it and I was really good at it so I was you know growing up and not really knowing what my place was of course you know trying to find your spot in the world and when I started doing that I just found it so fulfilling and and I really loved it and what did you like about it the challenge yeah it was a challenge um at that time you know we didn't always have we were just a small base in Medicine Hat so we had to always find equipment from our larger bases in Red Deer and Grand Prairie and stuff like that so uh it was just fun it was like putting the pieces of a puzzle together but it had to be done and then of course dealing with a lot of um well even at that time where you're talking the late 90s and the early 2000s there was still a lot of consultants in the oil patch that didn't like dealing with women and uh so that was also quite fun so but yeah it was something I discovered I was really good at and I enjoyed it and um yeah when did you start taking an interest in political matters and why that actually started with my former husband so when I met this the him he would always had his nose in a newspaper and at that time I I mean I was in my early 20s I wasn't really interested in in politics for sure and then I started reading the newspaper the National Post was the one that we subscribed to and I started really Loosely following uh reporters like uh um Don Martin Christy blatchford of course Rex Murphy and I just started really paying attention to what was going on and it was when the sponsorship Scandal hit that I thought what is going on here like there was no accountability they were just spending taxpayers money and then I started you know checking into question period and and that baffled me also because I thought you know these people are just it's theatrics it's like watching a soap opera and for me I would rather turn on question period and see two sides of the house sitting at a table working together to try and fix our problems than just this soap opera theatrics that I was witnessing and and so that's kind of what led into my interest in politics and that was when that would have been uh in the late 90s early 2000s yeah so it's about 20 years ago yeah so I really just kind of started following it around then and I just couldn't understand why none of these politicians were being held accountable for their actions and I mean that was already 20 years ago and it's gotten much much worse back when they were accountable yeah that's right when they were supposed to be I mean I remember you know somebody losing their job over a 12 glass of orange juice and now we have a prime minister that can just do whatever he wants and there's no account like there used to be some Integrity a little bit this interesting trick where if you have one Scandal the way you deal with it is just to produce another and overlay it on top of the previous Scandal he seems to be able to confuse people constantly with a never-ending string string of increasingly dire scandals and yes um well I don't I don't understand it that's for sure but but here we are now you said when we were talking last night you said too that you also started to detect and I don't know when this was a certain amount of desperation on the political front in the oil patch because of increasingly Draconian Federal policies so in Canada for those of you who are watching and listening the the provinces in the west of Canada are pretty heavily resource based and Canada's a resource-based economy still in many ways and our federal government um seems to have adopted a globalist agenda I think that's fair to say and believe that you know human beings especially those in western Canada are doing nothing but raping poor Mother Earth constantly and so they produce legislation in a never-ending string to do nothing but devastate the economies of the West and of course well they're saving the planet and tomorrow I started to see some of that or not saving the planet which is really the truth and tomorrow started to see the manifestations of that directly in the people that you were working with so you want to explain that a little bit yes I did so they brought in the legislation and I want to say it was around 20 2018-19 they passed the bills c69 and c48 so bill c-69 has been nicknamed the no more pipelines Bill and basically what they've done is they've made it virtually impossible and definitely not feasible for for anyone to lay a pipeline with all their environmental this and that and and of course now then they added the gender thing it had to you know fit into their whatever it was nonsense and of course bill c-48 which was the no more tank well basically it was a ban on Alberta oil tankers leaving the BC Coast right all the other tankers fairies cruise ships are okay just not if it's carrying any oil from Alberta and what that did was it hurt a lot of families people that I knew and that I cared about were losing their jobs and couldn't find jobs and the the situation I specifically referred to last night because I'll never forget it was a grown man and this this happened frequently but he's the one that broke down but you know a grown man coming into my office two weeks before Christmas because he just lost his job and begging me for a job with tears in his eyes you know please take my resume and it was it was heartbreaking and devastating and for what I mean I worked in that industry I understand the process I mean Canadian energy is the most environmentally friendly and efficient way to extract our resources than anywhere on the planet and we should be screaming that from the rooftops but again you know we're made to feel ashamed and like our oil is dirty and it I was dumbfounded yeah well the question is dirty compared to what dirty compared to Middle Eastern Tyrant oil or dirty compared to Russian oil for example in oil and gas it's like and and the same thing applies on the pipeline front and the tanker front too so Alberta's Still Still moves its oil and gas around oil in particular but does that um on rail cars which is a very inefficient way of doing it's also very dangerous because it passes through cities and we've had the odd catastrophe in Canada as a consequence of that and so yeah and what the Trudeau government has done is made pipeline developments so prohibitively expensive that no Corporation in its right mind would take a risk on it and I don't know how long that'll propagate out into the future because the corporations have learned that the Canadian government is an unreliable partner and these are long-term projects and so that's a catastrophe and this is a big deal for the rest of the world you know the German Chancellor came to Canada last year and so did the Japanese prime minister basically cap and hand and the German Chancellor was a socialist by the way which is sort of relevant in this context desperate enough nonetheless to go come and talk to his socialist buddy Trudeau and ask and really ask and really beg in some ways for Canada to open up its vast natural gas resources to the European Union and Adar great allies you know and and our partners in Freedom let's say and and Trudeau said I can't make a business case for that which basically meant we've produced legislation in Canada that's crippled our industry so badly that no one could possibly make a business case for anything because of the red tape and idiocy that was put in there purposefully although also ineptly just so the feds could virtue signal about destroying the economy to save the planet and then the Japanese prime minister showed up a couple of months later and asked for the same thing and got exactly the same response and so instead of Canada benefiting from the billions of dollars that the Europeans and the Japanese could spend while we were supporting our allies Japan who's threatened by China and obviously the European Union who's threatened by Russia we left them to The Tender Mercies of our apparent enemies because Canada is opposed to what's Russia is doing in Ukraine for example and we forfeited that immense economic benefit that Canadians could have accrued it it could hardly be stupider and so you were seeing this play out in real time in Alberta yes I was and at that time I started joining I found a local group in town that was doing rallies every weekend and so I joined that group myself and I started going to these rallies and we would basically stand outside of a Tim Hortons and hold signs and wave at people as they drove by and and then I became a bit an organizer for those two so I set up their social media which would later come into play in a bigger context and organizing these rallies and and we did that for quite a while and um but it nothing was changing what was the group uh well we actually started off mimicking the yellow vest movement in France uh which was which was really my first experience dealing with the mainstream media calling us a bunch of racists and white supremacists and and this and that and the white supremacy that's a that's a big thing in Alberta I mean I know I lived there and they're just white supremacists I know it's terrible it's absolutely terrible bingo balls in their Windows yeah yeah yes and they're white supremacists yes and so I became active in that way and um through that process I met um Peter Downing who at that point was starting the wexit movement which was a play on the whole brexit UK movement um and then in 2019 when Trudeau won that election I contacted Peter and I said I'm yours I will organize events or whatever you need in Southeastern Alberta and that was Peter Downing was his name he had started it he had actually started a big billboard campaign uh in Edmonton is about these these bills that they were passing um well because Alberta is largely you know an energy resource dependent Province and so when you start crippling that I mean you're not just talking about the guys that are drilling Wells you're talking about all the service Industries or the communities that depended on all those toxic masculine males coming into their city or into their communities to spend their money you know well people don't know this too so Albert is a landlocked Province so it's hard for Alberta to get its resources out into the world unless the rest of Canada cooperates and on the west Alberta is bordered by British Columbia and the British Columbians often like to style themselves environmental socialists and so they like to block Alberta oil and that's a big problem and then but also rather perversely because of the way Canada is set up the provinces to equalize economic opportunities across Canada hypothetically we have this system called equalization payment and that means the Richer areas of the country send essentially send excess tax money to poorer areas and so as a consequence Alberta which has a very small population about 2 million people has heavily subsidized Quebec for decades billions and billions of dollars and the Quebec government in particular although many of the quebecois themselves also style themselves saviors of the planet and are opposed to Alberta energy and its development despite the fact that their economy is dependent in no small part on these transfer payments so they get to have all the money and also the all the moral virtue which is a hell of a hard deal all the coastline heading over to yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well that's right so they're rich in that way yeah they have Coastline yeah well they also Quebec also has no shortage of natural gas itself although they put a moratorium on its development there's enough natural gas in Quebec to to service Quebec which by the way Imports natural gas from the United States to service Quebec for 200 years and the European Union for 50 years and the Quebec government has put a moratorium on its development for reasons completely unknown and crippled people who bought land in Quebec with the intent purpose of developing the natural gas resources there when the government told them that that's what they wanted to do and so and that's a story that hasn't broken in the Canadian Legacy Media because the people who had their property essentially confiscated this is like one of the biggest scandals I've ever heard of in Canadian history and no one knows about it had their property confiscated can't even get the Legacy Media interested enough to do a story on it it's just beyond comprehension so we have a very adult adult country at the moment all right so you started getting involved politically with wexit for example and working on the idea that Alberta and the West at least had to put pressure on central Canada letting them know that we're dead serious about not having the federal government for the second time demolish Alberta's economy because for all of you who are watching listening when when Justin Trudeau Trudeau's father was prime minister back in the 1980s he rammed through a policy called the national energy policy which devastated the Alberta economy for about 15 years broke our banks yeah broke our banks yeah my parents lost their Pension funds and the whole Teachers Union lost his Pension funds I think 13 Canadian Banks went bankrupt at that time which was the first time in Canadian history that anything like that anybody who'd saved money they left they lost it yeah yeah so the West has been screwed by Trudeau's before and now we're living through that again and so there is agitation in the west to to put pressure on the central government and some of that pressure involves the threat of potential secession although I think that's very unlikely I know that uh Danielle Smith in Alberta and Scott Moe and Saskatchewan and the premier of Manitoba have now put together a Consortium to try to develop a port in James Bay which is you know pretty damn awkward because you have to go through the arctic ice in a desperate bid to try to get Western resources out to the rest of the world so we're we're basically at economic war in our own damn country you know while we fiddle around not saving the planet instead of cooperating together to make everybody in Canada as rich as Norwegians which is exactly what we should be aiming at and could have done decades ago if we weren't so damn stupid so stupid blind what would you say Moral Moral uh falsely moral virtue signaling right yeah pretty damn pathetic yes and so all right so you were working with wexit and that was in 2000 and uh that was after the 2019 election and so I joined the board of directors for two we had uh wax at Alberta so what happened was there was a wax at BC wax at Alberta wexit Saskatchewan and wexit uh Manitoba and those were the provincial farms and then wexic Canada which we turned into the Maverick party which was a federal federal uh Western independence party so that we could start fighting for for more rights right from and for more control over over the West yeah more to be just left to hell alone yes in Canada people need to know this too resource development is a provincial matter not a federal matter that federal government actually has no constitutional right to be interfering in this regard whatsoever and so it's a real encroachment on because Canada was set up as a as a true uh subsidiary organization with each level of government having its requisite responsibility and the responsibility of the federal government's government was actually quite limited and it didn't extend to Resource development and so there is no excuse for the feds to continually encroach on on on resource development territory you know there's another aspect of Canada that people might find interesting in so far as Canada is the least bit interesting and that is that the West in Canada was only settled about 120 years ago and it's always suffered from I suppose what would you say a a quasi-colonial relationship with the powers that be in Eastern Canada and there are no shortage of Eastern Canadians who still think of the country that way that everybody in the west is a bunch of rednecks which is probably true but you know rednecks have their advantages and that they should really be told how to live properly by those who know better and it's certainly the case that there's a codery of Eastern Canadians and there has been for a long time who truly do believe like the bloody wef that they know how to live better and are perfectly willing to impose that viewpoint on the rest of the on the rest of the country and the world so so you're part of the battle against that and that's going on fairly intently in western Canada for a long period of time it's thrown up all sorts of rebellious political parties over yes last hundred year period some successful and some not yes all right so you go you cut your teeth on the political front with the with the exit movement what do you learn from that I learned I learned a ton of that from that I learned uh of course being on that board what we created a federal party from nothing so I learned about you know creating the edas and um the importance of having committees and delegating and being organized I mean that was a massive yes of Jeff yeah electoral districts um yeah writings basically setting up candidates and writings and stuff like that and I met a lot of really good people I mean there's so many great people in western Canada that are very concerned about what's happening to them you know so that that was a massive experience for me and and I got to work with Jay Hill who was a whip for the conservative party uh four times and he was our he was our leader and I learned a lot from both him and his wife also I mean we just had we just had such an amazing team and again that would come in handy later right so you're expanding your Logistics abilities yes doing this and yeah you so it's interesting you know you did what people should do in their life as far as I'm concerned which is you established a local base of competence so well partly within your family and then within the industry you were working at you learned how to organize and then you noticed that maybe you had a political responsibility which everyone does because otherwise the tyrants have it and that's bloody well worth knowing yeah and so you decided to step forward into the political realm and started well you learn by doing yes and you started working you know it's uh it's you're tilting at windmills fundamentally if you're trying to produce a western separatist party because that's the probability that's going to fly is pretty low which doesn't mean it isn't necessary right but you learn a lot as you go along being a fool and stumbling forward and so you're doing that and expanding your Logistics capability as well yes in a different Realm and and that was one of the first speeches I was asked to give a speech at one of the first rallies that I attended back when we were doing the yellow vest rallies and I didn't really know what I was going to speak about I'm not an orator I'm not a public speaker but what struck me the most was I thought like I I'm sorry like a and that's what I wrote about I'm sorry like I I thought somebody else was going to come and fix the problem so I didn't worry about it I thought a politician a businessman somebody in with some level of you know clout would step up and solve the problem and say something and it wasn't happening and it wasn't happening so the first speech that I gave was like that and I ended it was like I am somebody else and you were somebody else and you were somebody else you know we can't sit around here and wait for up to me too it's up yeah exactly you're doing your part and we're listening to your story people gotta listen and know they have it in them yeah well what have you learned on that front I mean you you were very skeptical about any sort of political organization yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so so but I gave up young I thought oh you know I can I don't need to be a part of this something happened when I was young like a political uh sword when I was like 17 local politics made me jaded and I thought okay why don't you tell that story a little bit oh I was a I was the supervisor for a swimming pool in our little town in Northern Alberta and it had been built in 67 because they built pools all over Canada in 67. and uh it was a bit deep so when the kids came from school they were six they weren't quite tall enough to be in that water and I'd roped it off so there were three sections but when the kids got in I could see even though they were teachers in the water I'd say I'd say that one's underwater pull that one out that one's underwater pull that one out so after it was over I said to the bored the the city the town board um I'm going to ask for a parent to come in for every 10 kids from now on because it's not safe and I can't well we don't want to do this so the next week the school showed up and they had no extra people so I didn't let them in so then the Town Council called me and uh they told me that I had made the mistake and I said well you know I think that a mistake might have made it but the mistake that was going to be made was there was going to be a death of a little kid and I could do that and they said I said you can write me a letter and tell me how you want me to run this place I'll run it the way you want it but I want you to sign that letter and they said if we do that you'd let a kid die despite us yeah that's what they said that was 17 and I was like you know and I could have I could have said I could have taken their Bluff but I was a 17 year old girl I didn't have that kind of which Spa so I quit the job you probably had the hood spell you didn't have the knowledge strategic knowledge but I didn't have the knowledge so I quit the job and then there was a local paper controversy between the mayor and their draw their story in my story and and then I left in the local College hired me to pickweeds and that was good at the local College yeah well what what Tam learned I 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be taken up by tyrants and used against you yeah and everyone has a political responsibility right so so well you obviously you obviously learned that all right so now you're working with the exit party and you're expanding your logistical knowledge what happens next covid right away yeah yeah so during my time in Alberta about 2013 I took the a personal training course when I started working in Fitness and then I I actually started teaching and certifying personal trainers then teaching CPR and nutrition and so that was one of the very first things when this all started I I was like what is going on here because they started closing all the gyms and like I'm not a doctor or a scientist but I know that if you're healthy and you're exercising your immune system is going to be stronger and then right away it came out that one of the comorbidities that was causing you know those the terrible reaction to the covet virus was obesity I think the people who died had a mean the mean number of comorbidities was four yeah right and in Alberta the average age of death due to covid they said was 84 but in Alberta the average age of death from anything old age is 82. so then I couldn't understand why they were locking us all in our homes and telling me that my family wasn't allowed in my home yeah that did not work for me that did not work for me so my husband and I ended up after we both lost our jobs on the same day uh we decided to drive out to Manitoba to visit my daughters okay why'd you lose your jobs we were laid off we were laid off because we'd been sent home already well I'd been sent home for two weeks because of kovid and then of course there was the economic impact that came down with that and we were a satellite base basically in Medicine Hat so we ran two crews out of there as opposed to Red Deer where they had five or six coupes or whatever so they ended up shutting down our base and laying everybody off save a couple of gentlemen that that were transferred and we decided to drive out to Manitoba to visit my one of my daughters who was out there on the farm because our choices were we can sit here in our house and do nothing and watch the cars go by or we can go be productive and yeah and have a life and you know be outside and doing stuff so and then when we arrived there I found out that I was going to be a grandmother again so we drove back to Minnesota packed up a bunch of stuff and we spent 19 months during the pandemic out in Manitoba nice and I ended up getting a job there with the local municipality which was good at that summer I was I got a job there and uh and that's why I called it the pandemic of the Cairns because I had especially at Christmas this one lady called me just freaking out and angry because there's four cars parked across the street at the Airbnb I think it's an illegal Gathering oh yeah she has the same voice I do for for parents yeah there are four cars across the street yeah and I think they're having an illegal Gathering and we should really do something about that because there are Children at Risk that's right yeah yeah Pat Pat Pat I know and just thinking that she was I don't know what she was thinking anyways she here's here's what she was thinking I saw people in Toronto think this way a lot so I figured that 70 percent of torontonians would wear a bloody mask for the rest of their life you know without complaining and half of them would enjoy it and the reason for that is because it gave them an opportunity to tattle on their neighbors to inform right and you know in East Germany one-third of the people there under the Soviets were Soviet direct Soviet Informer right so if you had a family of six two people were reinforming on you to the government you think well that could never happen here it's like yeah it could and you'd be one of the people that would be doing it and you'd be happy about it and you'd pat yourself on the back for doing such a moral job it's like that I know that proclivity for for tyranny and and the Delight in informing you know that's you know and yeah it's awful it was sad and I'm just thinking I did my job I took all our information I passed it on to uh my CAO and I thought it's Christmas like this family probably hasn't even got to see each other in the last year you don't have to go over there you don't you don't have to go on their property you can just stay in your home and shut your mouth and your windows and your curtains and quit peering out like like I just didn't I just don't understand that mentality I I didn't understand it and they were they weaponized they weaponized um people doing the right thing they weaponized Duty and yeah they used fear to weaponize duty yeah yes yeah well that's typical Tyrant that's a typical Tyrant approach yeah no they take that fear compulsion power you have to do this why do you have to do it well it's an emergency who says it's an emergency we say it's an emergency we know what to do about it give up all your autonomy grant us all the power it's like oh I see that's why there's an emergency so you can have all the power it's not an emergency at all that's right and if it is it's like well was it an emergency there's always a bloody emergency of one form or another because life is just an endless catastrophe of emergencies so and if you remember at the beginning of the pandemic Justin Trudeau already wanted to invoke the emergencies act so that he could just spend spend spend spend spend and do whatever he wanted and not be accountable I remember he wanted uh free reign until the end of 2021. well he basically suspended Parliament anyways and ruled by Fiat the whole time yes parliament in Canada has just become it's like a sideshow that's not where the government actually operates it operates out of the prime minister's office him and his bloody cronies his wedding party crew yes you know and and and and and so we've lost well we've I don't know if we have parliamentary Supremacy in Canada at all now and of course the the way that we've rearranged our judiciary that we have activist Judiciary in Canada and increasingly the the Supreme Court Justices are nominated by the federal government and so they've captured the court system as well and so well and so here we are all right so now you're you have a b and you're Bonnet about kovid too and you're not very happy about what's happening in western Canada so you're starting to become an irritated person I was very irritated and then I found um Trish Woods podcast I was following the Dr Brian Bridal case and then the Dr Francis Christian Case and um and what were those cases uh Dr Brian Bridle is an immunologist and a virologist I believe and he's got a long list of letters after his name and he started material University a Guelph Guelph yes yes well that's right yeah and Dr Christian was a doctor in Saskatchewan uh from at the University of Saskatchewan actually and he started speaking out about vaccinating children well they both were and they both lost their jobs and as a matter of fact The Faculty at the University of Saskatoon were trying to talk to him like that maybe he was crazy yeah yeah that phone call was disturbing well there's no cowards like faculty cowards right yeah he would probably know and so then I started fall you know I started listening to her podcast and she was just a light in the dark because I was somebody that was finally talking common sense in my opinion and then I started following Dr Zev zelenko um I started following Dr Robert Malone Dr Peter McCullough Dr David Martin you know all these doctors front too they really went after him he lost 35 pounds in three months after he got pilloried by his his peers and compatriots at Stanford yeah for being correct and careful yeah and that also didn't make sense because science is supposed to be questioned so when I when they say we're we're following the science I always think of the S with the money the money sign s that's all I ever heard them say was we're following the science I never saw any of their science I did see science from these other doctors and Science by the way isn't something you follow science is not a set of moral prescriptions when it's a set of moral prescriptions it's ideology not science you know at its best Sciences well it attempts to be a value-free and dispassionate portrayal of the facts now that's tricky because it's an investigation yeah it's an investigation yeah and the idea that well and then what happened to is the politicians who were cowards devolved their authority to Public Health experts well we don't actually have to make any decisions the public health experts can and they couldn't because they weren't economists they had no idea how to calculate relative risk they didn't take anything into account except keeping the public safe from a virus which was their job not to calculate the what would you call it the multiplicity of costs that would be associated with a peer public health approach to policy so the politicians abdicated their responsibility and the narcissistic politicians enjoy doing that anyways because what you want is the glory not the responsibility and what I noticed too is that the fear-mongering like the propaganda campaign was heavy and of course at the beginning everyone was talking about well we don't have enough hospital beds and blah blah blah and I'm looking like it's 24 7 my radio station became the 24 7 covet Information Station and I'm thinking with all the money that you're putting into marketing and ads and on posters and all this stuff if we put that into our Health Care system which they didn't have a problem no no problem no no no increase in ICU capacity no not nothing that would have actually in principle addressed well the problem that didn't exist to begin with but certainly that no no development of ICU what did Canada spend some hundreds of millions of dollars on portable ICU beds that were never even implemented right they just sit in a warehouse with warehouse storage costs I can't remember how many hundreds of millions of dollars is spent on that some appalling amount right so all the money was poorly targeted they never went after the actual problem nope yeah it just didn't make sense everybody that I talk to excuse me whether they were on the side where they thought kovid was going to be the end of all Humanity or whether they thought kova didn't even exist everyone said to me something doesn't feel right and that was their intuition intuition and and that stuck with me and it because it didn't feel right to me either and um yeah so I just started following these doctors and looking things up for myself instead of just listening to what the I mean I stopped believing in the 2016 American election I quit basically watching the news and you know that's about when the Legacy Media got finally corrupted right and I mean part of that's because they're facing such an onslaught of competition from the online well from the online media essentially they're going to die as you can see that happening Canada and CTV and bail media laid out all sorts of journalists yesterday including top journalists right and so and they certainly deserved their their demise like like nobody's business but it's part of the inevitable Triumph of the distributed media because there's no way the old Legacy Media Outlets can compete with them and they started losing their best people and then competing on the click bait front and you know it's just a degenerative spiral and we're seeing that play out so yes we are yeah yes we are it's a travesty so now you're still in Manitoba while this is happening yes I was actually my husband and I just moved back to uh we both got offered our jobs back and in October of 2021 and we moved back to Alberta and both went back to work at the end of November and then we moved into our new house on a week before Christmas and then two weeks later the Convoy started so it was kind of funny even when I got back it looked like like two college kids had just moved into this house and dropped everything and uh because I was obviously gone for a while and uh yeah so so we went back to work and then middle of January my friend Cindy sent me a tick tock video that Chris Barber had done this is January what year January 2022 22 yes where Chris was advocating for he had a massive Tick Tock following I guess that's a trucker thing Tick Tock and he was calling for a a canada-wide shutdown just wherever you are shut off your trucks don't move and Bridget Belton who is a trucker from Wallaceburg I think it's Wallaceburg Ontario had reached out to him too because she was having issues crossing the border already so why were the truckers upset specifically there was more Crossing issues but why are the truckers in particular because after two years of our prime minister calling them Heroes and liking them to soldiers going off to war he decided to implement the cross-border trucker mandate so unless they had a vaccine passport they would have to quarantine for 14 days so you're especially in Ontario where you're you're they're always like some people are doing this every day how do you feed your family if you can only if you have to take 14 days off every time you cross the border it's impossible so these people these blue-collar Heroes I call them that he had propped up and and complimented and saying their praises from the rooftop said I'll all of a sudden become Public Enemy Number One and that was that was it for them and that's telling because I'm telling you they went for the health care workers and the doctors and I thought for sure just like my speech somebody was going to say something they came after the rcnp and I was like somebody's got to say something and then the military and then the education system and all of a sudden there's all these mandates and nobody was saying anything and finally when they came for the truckers they're like no no this is not acceptable so I I got I got that Tick Tock from Cindy about Chris and um I actually messaged her because there had been a convoy that came out here in 2019 that was advocating for our energy industry and I said well what do you think about another Convoy and she's like well it didn't really accomplish much the first time and I said yeah you're right and then I messaged a friend of mine in Manitoba and I said what do you think about a convoy to Ottawa and he said the same thing so in the meantime so what was it about the Convoy idea you think that was attracting you I mean you're pursuing it with some degree of of fervor even though in by your own admission the last time it occurred it wasn't that helpful why do you think that idea because you needed to bring it to Parliament I I've seen rallies at the ledge in Alberta um Regina all the provinces I've seen rallies massive protests everywhere the mainstream media was not reporting them and nothing was changing so we needed to get to Ottawa um and in the meantime you know Chris and Bridget and another group had been talking should they do slow rolls or a shutdown and then kind of collectively basically what it was was a very small group of people that had a lot of similar ideas that knew something had to happen and so I called up Chris and we discussed the Convoy to Ottawa and I said my background is logistics organization Administration you're going to need social media and you're going to need money I'll start you a Facebook page a Twitter account and I'll set up a GoFundMe account at that time I didn't know that GoFundMe was as left-leaning as they were oh I should let everybody know too uh tomorrow under uh constraint by the Canadian government is no longer allowed to engage in social media yes do you want to talk about the restrictions that have been placed that's one of my conditions uh one of my very broad conditions I am not allowed to log into my accounts post to my accounts or ask anybody to post on my behalf if I do I go directly back to jail right so you're essentially muzzled on the electronic communication yes now why can you do a podcast like this well after the poec report came down and I just could not stand to listen to Justin Trudeau tell people how he had their backs and he was keeping them safe anymore because my head was going to explode Keith and I went through my conditions very carefully very carefully we like I was taking it sounds stupid but I was like taking words out and I was rearranging the sentences to see if there was any possible way that I could be arrested for speaking and what we concluded was that so long as I am not organizing a protest or advocating for a protest exercising my my freedom of assembly basically um it's okay now how is it that it's possible for your right to freely assemble to be and your right to freely speak obviously how is it possible even that that's been abrogated what have you been charged with let's start with I've been charged with Mischief counseling to get to counseling to commit Mischief intimidation counseling intimidation and I believe the other one is obstruct a police officer and disobey a court order I think which would be the which would be the emergencies act I'm assuming and which of those was the core charge it was it was the Mischief to commit mischief to begin with that's right so think about that everyone that was the initial charge it's not mischief which is you know not one of the world's most serious charges even though that that can be relevant at some time but counseling to commit Mischief which is like the derivative of a crime right so I don't even know what that means but I guess I guess you're going to find out because they're going to drag you through Court how much time have you spent in jail 48 days well 49 days 48 nights right right and on what grounds precisely why why did they hold you oh well originally I was denied bail because the judge uh judge Bourgeois who we found out later was former liberal candidate and French French yeah I think she's funny yeah it is kind of funny they hate the proletarian so okay so he was a former liberal she was she was yes she she was a former liberal candidate yes yes this is Canada yes right she was and she didn't recuse herself from the case because it wasn't the political case so that's right yeah yeah and so and oddly enough like Chris Barber was arrested just before me and he was had his bail hearing and was just sent home and then of course it was a long weekend it was family weekend and so we didn't have my decision heard until Tuesday morning but by then she'd watched this entire violent horrific takedown of the Convoy protest on TV and so when I came in she went upside one of UPS one upside went up one side of me and down the other and basically said I was a menace to society and a danger to her community she said my community 12 times where she where where is she located oh she's I see so you were you were honking her into his feet yes yeah I know a lot of there were a lot of the hot Bourgeois in Ottawa who didn't take kindly to being honked at is traumatizing you know they have people whose lives have been destroyed coming you know peacefully complain about it after being oppressed by dimwit dim-witted moralizers for two years which was frustrating because you know we didn't want to go we definitely didn't want to upset the Ottawa residents that was never Our intention and but you have to have some level of disruption but for me to hear people talking about honking horns when we just drove across Canada and I had people every single day and still to this day telling me they were planning to take their own lives or that they had family members that had already taken their own lives or that they were living in their car they lost their business they couldn't go kiss their mom goodbye before she died and you're gonna complain to me about honking horns are you 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with peterson.com and get major savings on your four-week emergency supply kit go to preparewithpeterson.com right now let's prepare with peterson.com so shortly after we got there there was an injunction um order so we we did have to stop honking horns and and honestly the majority of us at the core organizers were relieved because it was getting to be a bit much and you know when you've got like speakers up on stage and people are still honking their horn um you can't hear them right so so that was good ugly I mean we're glad that it stopped for the most part but again not all of them stop because you're talk this was not there was no bosses this was a completely organic movement uh these truckers just showed up they're very strong people they're independent thinkers you know they they have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders lots of them are business owners so they're going to do what they're gonna do I mean Tamara Beach wasn't good if they were the sort of people who could be told what to do they wouldn't have been in Ottawa with that right yeah yeah exactly so let's go back to to when you were envisioning this so you were starting to think about a convoy how did it actually start to come about miraculously um so we started I got the Facebook page going got the GoFundMe going and then we had Road captains from every Province so what those were were truckers normally in like Northern Saskatchewan Southern Saskatchewan Northern Alberta Southern Alberta and they organized their friends and truckers to come and then we would just all meet along the highway so one of mine how over what period of time was this organized how long 10 days 10 days wow that's fast right well so that obviously shows that like it was right it was time because everybody clamored on board right away right which shocked us I mean and we recognized within 24 hours in my head my vision I thought we'd maybe raise twenty thousand dollars a few truckers would drive across Canada stand there with some signs hop back in their trucks and come home So within 24 hours we had over a hundred thousand dollars in donations already and and the and so with my experience with the Maverick party I was like I need a finance committee boom so I got some volunteers we created a finance committee and then I was also monitoring our social media why did you do that because uh the the fundraiser was set up with my name on it and it was important to me that Canadians that were donating a had a sense of who I was because that's a lot of money they were trusting me essentially with their money and I wanted to explain the whole process like how we were going to be accountable and transparent I had two bookkeepers on the committee and we had a an accounting advisor an accountant from from Medicine Hat and I just and it was their money so it was their decision like you know I wanted to let everybody feel like they had a say in this basically I was running the government type sale or running this organization I guess how I thought the government should be run you know open and transparent and I just wanted everyone to be at ease that we were going to follow through and we were going to keep them informed every step of the way so tell us what happened on the GoFundMe front yeah so I didn't know a lot about GoFundMe when I started the campaign I just knew it was a big crowdfunding source and so I set up a GoFundMe to start collecting donations and as we were well obviously I mean the money just started pouring in and it was it became very clear to me right away that they were kind of dragging their feet GoFundMe in releasing the money okay so because they'd send an email with you know three questions on it we'd answer those questions then we'd get an email with five questions on it and we'd answer those questions and it just was this constant back and forth for about two weeks finally when we got to Ottawa the Thursday right after the lawyers all arrived we had a meeting with all of our lawyers GoFundMe their lawyers and our accountant and it was it was great they were going to release everything they were happy with all of our answers and we woke up the next morning and they had Frozen our camp how much money was in at that point 10 million dollars who froze it GoFundMe because the the city of Ottawa and the Ottawa city police had contacted them and said that we were terrorists basically I see oh yes well yes right so so who's the blame on then is the blame on gold funner is the blame on the people who called you terrorists I would say both I would say both the ironic thing is is that we've watched the black lives matter protests uh I watched the the Chas chap autonomous Zone that they had set up in Seattle and at some of these protests like people got raped they murdered uh businesses were looted and and burnt to the ground yeah but that wasn't a good customer that's right that was for a good cause that's right right that wasn't like Confederate flag flying Canadians Nazis by the way for everyone watching and listening there are no Confederate flag waving Canadian Nazis that's not a thing nobody waves the Confederate flag in Canada most Canadians don't even know what the hell the Confederate flag is and uh Nazis that's just not a Canadian thing so that's all complete bloody lies from top to bottom in every possible way so GoFundMe hey stop 10 million dollars yes and then if I remember correctly they then announced that they were going to distribute it to charity unless people wrote in specifically and requested a refund and that they were going to pick the charity correct right that black lives matters though they got their money they did even though there was raping yes murder yes all kinds of things they got their money of course that was in the states yes yeah but that shouldn't make a difference it shouldn't make it well and then go and then gifts and go didn't abide by the dictates of the Canadian state right so they had they had a bit of a spine so you flipped from GoFundMe to give send go and then you raised another 10 million dollars what happened to it well the government of Ontario wanted to seize it immediately and those were conservatives by the way yes this is right this is true and so the writing was on the wall they we were never going to get those donations across into Canada so Jacob Wells one of the founders him and his sister founded give sungo decided that he was just going to refund everything and I know that the lawyers got up and said no you're not going to we're going to file whatever they needed to file to stop that from happening and he said by the time you have your paperwork done it's going to be back in their accounts you have no jurisdiction here so kudos to him yes so what had happened was uh GoFundMe had had released one million dollars into my account and so I'm actually quite happy that uh it did cost them a million dollars because they ended up refunding everything after that statement where they were just going to donate it to whomever they wanted to Ron DeSantis the governor of Florida stood up and said no you're not I am going to have you investigated for fraud and then all of a sudden it was no problem to refund everybody and then you and then yeah with the gifts and go so and then uh so that was like a precursor to the bank account seizures fundamentally right so basically what we had in Canada was a situation where people were voluntarily donating money to a political cause a protest and that the government interfered with the receipt of that money by interfering with the operations of a private company that wasn't even a Canadian company right at the same time the Canadian government was claiming this was complete bloody 100 percent absolutely reprehensible lie that almost all the money that was going into the trucker Convoy was American make America great again Republican types who wanted to overthrow the Canadian government because of course everyone knows that's what Republican Americans want because they don't like democracy in Canada whereas the truth of the matter is most Americans don't even know where the hell Canada is and the ones that do know really don't care and they're certainly not agitating especially on the Republican side to overthrow Canadian democracy and they also the government also intimated that it was being funded by Russians yeah right Russian so if it wasn't Russians it was Mega Americans because you know the Russians and the mega Americans they're obviously exactly the same people and they're all profoundly interested in producing a January 6th type Insurrection in Ottawa so that was 20 million dollars that was essentially seized in one way or another yes by the by various branches of the Canadian government right now you said there's some of that money that's still around I think yes there is so when when Jacob and give Sango refunded the gifts and go money there was about three million dollars that was in stuck in the payment processor stripe so that was seized and that's now an in escrow there was we had just over four hundred thousand dollars in e-transfers because right away when I set up the GoFundMe people were messaging me saying that's right so that was kind of my first concern I was like oh geez I probably should have looked into this a little bit more but what do you do live and learn yeah so we're we're accustomed to operating on trust that's why our societies are rich yes because you can generally operate on trust or you could yes right so far yes yeah so far so that that money also went into the escrow account and then a gentleman by the name of Chris Guerra had started an organization we had a ground zero team we called it in Ottawa that was getting everything all the infrastructure in place for when we arrived like food showers hotel rooms how many people did come to the Convoy how many truckers were there do you know approximately I have no idea where did they come from they came from all over they come from the coast of BC they came from the coast of Newfoundland they came from the Northwest Territories we had Americans that came up and joined us and that was funny because you know we had a finance committee in place so we put procedures and processes in place to so that this would all be accountable and we had all these and so one of my jobs was going to be to stand at the gas pumps and record every trucker that came through with their truck number and their name and their receipts which in the first day was not even possible and we were one of my other jobs was to get truck counts every day but that was impossible because the situation was that a lot of people couldn't go all the way to Ottawa so they would join us for like 100 kilometers or a province or you know they'd get to the Manitoba border so we always had people coming and going what did you see when you came across oh please tell me the most beautiful show of humanity and the unity I've ever seen I've never seen anything like it after all these years of you know especially living under this prime minister who has tried to constantly divide people by race religion culture income bracket geographical location gender gender yeah gender identity yes yes so we were coming through Manitoba we were coming through headingley and it was the most massive crowd I've ever seen and there was native drummers on the side of the road dressed in their full regalia and standing beside them were like foresique gentlemen and standing beside them were hutterite women with their children holding signs thank you for giving us back our future and beside them was nuns in full habits and you know when the nuns are protesting that things aren't good that's right exactly yeah and the Hutterites right right absolutely they're not known for their political we had them all the way from Medicine Hat um all the way through Manitoba and I found out after because my dad's great friends with a lot of the colonies down there that they would go to one intersection on the Salt Lake Back Road watch us go by hop in their Vans or trucks drive two miles down the road and they did this to just watch us you know yes yes and support and it was just incredible because it didn't matter none of your background even mattered right it was we were just Canadians right first once for once come on you know and what sort of distances were people driving like because lots of people watching and listening don't know how big Canada is so you said from Medicine Hat to Auto wise 36 hours 36 hours I think that's about uh 3 500 kilometers and so which is quite a long ways but we had people the clan mothers that joined us came from the Northwest Territories and they had there was truckers that had come from the Northwest Territories and and uh and the East Coast um Newfoundland New Brunswick Nova Scotia this was truly a Canadian movement like we had people from everywhere Northwest Territory yeah I didn't know that yes yes which shows you that people like you said earlier were ready well and desperate I mean the thing is that for the for the so first of all this was in the middle of this is in the middle of the winter right right and that's winter it was -20 in Ottawa for most of that approach yesterday yeah yeah and then those truckers were taking their rigs out of service for what two weeks something like that some of them are longer three weeks right which is a major economic hit you have to be driven to some degree of desperation and it's not like Canadian truckers like Dutch farmers are known for their political activism I mean they've never been a politically active active class in Canada there's no history of even labor agitation on the trucker side in Canada so the fact that it was them that finally had enough is really telling well just like it is telling on the Dutch Farmers scene right and the yellow jackets to some degree I mean the French are a lot more volatile with their political demonstrations but Canada doesn't have a history of this this isn't something that ever happens here just like it never happens in in the Netherlands and so all right so you're driving down the road and you're seeing all these people and and and this thing is like ballooned like mad Way Beyond what you would initially envisioned yes and you're on your way to Ottawa what happens when you get to Ottawa we pulled up onto the hill uh well we got into iron Pryor on the Friday night and Saturday we drove up around noon we met at noon drove into Ottawa and the crowds all the way from arm Pryor right into Ottawa were amazing the overpasses were filled with people and uh it was just so beautiful and we got up there and there was massive crowds up on Parliament Hill too and so when we got out I mean it was just by now people knew who Chris and I were so there was lots of people coming up and asking for photos and talking to us and stuff and it was it was so surreal yes yeah and and you know we Chris and I talked on the way out and and we didn't have a plan for when we got there I mean just getting there was such a massive undertaking and we I mean kudos to Chris he led that Convoy Chris is in jail Barber nope he's not he's he's back home in saskatchew okay so so let's walk through that briefly who ended up jailed Chris was uh arrested in prison for one evening I was arrested and in jail for 18 days uh Pat King was arrested and he was in jail for five months he was the leader yeah he was involved in it yeah he was he wasn't the leader of it but um and yeah I was actually in jail last summer when he was finally released finally but there's still people in jail this year there were still people in yes um of all the Coots boys are going through their pre-trial right now I mean they weren't affiliated with us that that was all you know separate groups and stuff but I mean what's happening there is just unbelievable to those guys and um Aaron Aldrich was another one I don't know if you've ever seen the photos but there's a gentleman in lots of pictures with a toque and a big belly he never wore a shirt always smoking cigarettes and that was Aaron and he just had he's finally back in Alberta I think he went back last week he was he got out of jail um when I was on my way out for the inquiry in the fall and he had to stay there with his Surety until last week he hasn't seen his mom since 2022. oh yeah okay so what's happened so now in Ottawa you have all these trucks gathered there's hundreds of them or there are thousands of them thousand dollars trucks by this point right so everybody's shocked at the magnitude of this including the Ottawa bourgeoisie who aren't very happy with all the honking there's a lawsuit about that eh that you're also facing 400 million dollar class action suit yes right because of the economic harm caused by the trucker Convoy yes right not the two years of business collectors and shutdowns and locked in your home right and do you think do you think that do you think that there was a deleterious impact of the trucker Convoy on businesses in Ottawa absolutely not um we never told them to shut down it was the the city that advised them to shut down because they had to have painted us as Hooligans and thugs before we even arrived yeah yeah I mean fascists and penetrated by the Russians yeah yeah and the Maga types that's right forget about them there was a black rocks um report that just came out I think it was the week before last it was a public safety health safety Canada memo that was sent out internally to all these businesses saying saying that we were entering Federal buildings and causing damage and disruption which was a bold-faced lie just nasty lies nasty nasty lies and why because we don't we don't have and I said this in my testimony when you lead a country you do not get to pick and choose who you lead you are responsible for every single person in that country whether you believe in what they believe or not right you don't get to call them names I mean now our prime minister is calling parents all right yeah because they want no far right even worse that's right do you think that you should be able to have the last say in relationship to what your children are being taught in school and now you're essentially a Nazi because of course that's what far right means that's right right so that means our prime minister now believes that if you believe that you should put your child's interests as the Paramount concern of your life that you're essentially far right and so if Canadians had any sense which I'm afraid generally they don't they would listen to that because he's actually serious about what he's claiming so we know that what the New Brunswick Premier came out and made it illegal for schools to use gender transforming pronouns without parental without informing the parents which seems like the minimal thing they could do and Trudeau pelerate him but the vast majority of Canadians agree with the New Brunswick premier's statement and if they were informed a lot more of them would agree because Canadians as a general rule don't pay much attention to politics and don't know what's going on if they actually knew what was going on a hell of a lot more Canadians would have agreed with the New Brunswick Premier yeah so I know kudos to him like who saw that coming out of New Brunswick I know I know he grew a spine Canada they're starting to ReDiscover their spines that gives me something yeah well you have Danielle Smith and Scott Moe who look like they've got some spines and Peter Paulie have might have one as well and the premier of New Brunswick right yeah that came out of right field you might say yeah yeah that's right yeah that's really encouraging to me all right so you're in Ottawa and we're all watching this from the outside I I was on tour and Tammy with Tammy at that time we would have liked to have come to Ottawa did speak at one of the events electronically and so but we're watching from the outside and what we see from the outside is that despite the fact that you're being painted as misogynist racist bigot Mega Confederate flag wearing fascists there's like no violence there's children there the bloody government conspired to threaten the truckers with the removal of their children which I which which is one of that was one of the most reprehensible acts I'd ever seen the Canadian government commit it might be number one freezing your bank accounts that that'd be the contender for top place but the idea that the government would threaten those protesters with the removal of their children by social services that was that was like they were crossing the line in a big way there boy but that's what they did the whole time it was all it was all constant provocation and what'd the opp have to do with the opp were yes yes so obviously right away when we recognized before we left how how much support we were getting you know I said we need to let our local police departments know when we're coming through so they can make arrangements and everything and so that's what we did and the opp were just the most amazing organization to deal with they were very organized they were professional they were polite they were supportive and um and I'll firmly believe if we could have dealt with the opp for the whole duration of this thing it would not have ended the way that it did and out of out of the inquiry what I learned was besides the opp we were the most organized and Professional Organization out of them all well you were right wing yeah those left-wingers they have a hard time organizing yes these right Wingers we're pretty good at keeping things straight yeah that's right and they were just they were wonderful and um and we have a we had a phone call from a gentleman called officer Pierre he was I think a he was French but he was OPP the night after the raids because the first thing they did was uh they raided Coventry which was where we had a lot of supplies and donations and a lot of trucks parked and they went in there and they is who the Ottawa city police they had snipers on the roof and they stole food they stole fuel uh they stole firewood whatever whatever they could take basically now remember this is minus 30 right in Ottawa right yeah I lived there it's cold in fact it is cold colder than it is in Alberta really it's cool because it's huge it's cold you don't last outside and then they started taking the Jerry cans which is when yeah I mean this is the beautiful thing like I was saying last night about Canadians he calls us a fringe minority what do Canadians do everyone's got a t-shirt or a tattoo or a hat or a bumper sticker like they owned it like now we're proudly The Fringe minority right and they said they were gonna they were going to confiscate Jerry cans and so Canadians came out in in hordes with empty Jerry cans yes yes was that spontaneous totally spontaneous nobody organized that they just started showing up some of them were empty some of them were full of water like some of them had fuel in them but because they were threatening to start charging people that were bringing it in with Mischief yeah and again Canadians just took that and ran with it you know that's Fashion Show on the stage you know so it was brilliant so so now what's happened okay so what's happening as the protest progresses the what's the mood in downtown to Ottawa and what's actually going on you have a center stage or a couple of Center stages set up and there's people speaking tell us a little bit about what you would have experienced being there it was like Canada Day on steroids it was the most beautiful loving healing atmosphere ever I mean strangers were hugging and crying on each other's shoulders and people were singing Oh Canada and you know flying our flags so proudly finally it was a beautiful beautiful atmosphere um which was not what the mainstream media of course was reporting but it was very jubilant very happy the thing that struck me the most though was you know people would come up to me and hug me and cry on my shoulder and tell me their story and you know thank us for what we were doing but it was the immigrants who when they came up to me had this look of desperation in their eyes like nothing I have ever seen before it was gut-wrenching you know and because they've lived through this they've watched all these signs and now they escaped um Poland Russia Iran Romania Eastern Europe China you know people under despotism that's right people that have escaped communist countries yeah and I'm telling you the look in their eyes was yeah we've seen that look in Eastern Europe plenty yeah yeah because the Eastern Europeans they're not very happy with all the woke nonsense they see enveloping the West yes you know when we've gone through Eastern Europe they tell us consistently it's like what the hell are you people doing don't you know what that did for us for 70 years you're walking down exactly the same pathway how can you possibly be so blind it's like yeah yeah well they remember man communism yeah it's particular yeah let's do it again that was particularly Jermaine and Albania because that was the worst of the Congress countries me too they were under lockdown until 1992 that's only 30 years yeah yeah yeah they found a they found a hundred room bunker like a hundred yards an underground 100 room bunker 100 yards away from their Parliament building five years ago no one even knew that was there that the depart that the uh defense uh Minister had had built in secret at the height of the of the of the belief in Albania that Albania was the center country of the world and that everyone was just waiting to invade because everyone wanted what the albanians had we went out on a boat into the ocean along the Albanian coast and we could see these little things that looked like small adobe houses up in the hills were huge yeah well you couldn't see them because they were three quarters the way up the mountains they were tunnels into the mountain so they spent all their nation's money on underground tunnels and tunnels into the mountain because they had to be careful because the world was after them and then the people of the country had nothing nothing that's communism yeah yeah Albania yeah well they remember they remember fear fear and tyranny boy that's for sure all under the guise of compassion and morality yeah which is the epidemic we're facing in the west well it is I mean we're basically crafting legislation and policy on hurt feelings yeah yeah yeah for for false moral reasons all right so you're having a big celebration in Ottawa and the Legacy Media are trying to paint you as misogynists and fascists and bigots and so is the lead the punitive leader of Canada and the and you actually manage God only knows how you did this to keep that entire Enterprise both peaceful and positive right and I know I've talked to BJ Victor about this a fair bit too that that was actually a conscious aim that that that you did everything you could the organizers did everything could they could and I believe the truckers themselves did this spontaneously to ensure that they were going to remain respectful to people in authority and to the general public and and to the businesses that they frequented I know that the crime rate in Ottawa fell during the trucker Convoy I were no overdose deaths in downtown Ottawa yeah people had hope again just for well they were sharing food too the streets were clean there was no garbage on the streets it was my dad I didn't meet this gentleman myself but my dad told me the story of um this homeless man that had gone up to one of the food tents and they were feeding him every day and he asked if he could stay in there because it was warm they had heaters and and they said you are welcome to stay here as long as we're here provided you do not drink no drugs in here no drugs period and you have to help out and when they left he said that that was the first time that he felt like he belonged somewhere yeah I bet he had a purpose yeah right yeah well you can't live without a purpose yes yeah all right so what happens now what happens walk us through the Crackdown now I was talking to Victor in particular around the time when when the when the Convoy was starting to when a lot of pressure was starting to be put on the Convoy I know you guys were really trying to figure out should you stay should you go had you accomplished your goals so what's the atmosph now the government's starting to crack down walk us through that and then walk us through the decision-making processes that you engaged in when you decided to well to what to bring it to an end I suppose yes we didn't decide to bring it to an end that was the government okay um so very quickly right away well I recognized even on the way there that we were going to need lawyers um every time the finance committee would say it's a it's almost at another million you got to bump it up another million and so I would bump it up on the thing but I I mean it was bittersweet because I would be so excited like we were taking in a million dollars a day at that point but at the same time I would just get sicker and sicker to my stomach because I knew when you're talking about millions of dollars the lawyers are coming and boy was I right and so very quickly after we got to Ottawa we contacted the jccf and they flew in uh five lawyers two of them which stayed with us on the ground my husband was on that flight as the jccf is the Justice Center for constitutional freedoms a charitable organization civil liberties organization and that's the organization that gave you an award two years ago yes yes that's right the George Jonas Freedom Awards right last summer right last summer yeah yeah there was legal trouble around you accepting that too wasn't there I had to go to court to ask you well that's pretty funny that you had to go to court in Canada to go accept a freedom award that makes perfect sense yeah because I was banned from Ontario Ben from Ontario I'm gonna do a cover yeah hilarious uh I know a lot of people that are trying to get out of Ontario I don't know a lot of people that are trying to get into Ontario but anyways uh um yeah so I we had to go to court and have a hearing so that we could have those amended so that I could attend and also my my youngest daughter was going to go to university in Ottawa so I mean I I was having a bit of a tough time being banned from Ottawa also we had that all changed um all right so now we're talking about what's happening as the government starts to crack down on the yeah on the on the Convoy so we got the boys start to to mount yes well there was always pressure because there was always rumors I mean this is the great thing about having people like Danny Beaufort there and Tom quagen and uh Thomas O'Connor because they were able to disseminate like what was factual and what was just wild rumors I mean right from day one we were hearing they were coming to arrest us we were going to be raided it was every day so so what led to that was we get there in the city of on of Ottawa puts on a state of emergency right right and we're like okay what does that mean and really all I saw was little groups of cops standing around doing nothing turning to slightly bigger groups of cops standing around doing nothing then Doug Ford invoked the state of emergency for the province of Ontario same thing I just saw this group of cops standing around doing nothing turned into a bigger group of cops standing around doing nothing so when he invoked them well that could be worse it is that could be worse yeah yeah so when he invoked the emergencies act I I personally didn't even know it to him federally I mean I thought it was ridiculous there was definitely no secure threat to the security of Canada we were in right and that's supposed to be a last ditch move by the federal government in the case of like serious Civil War like violent Insurrection right this is sabotage or Espionage when you step outside the Constitutional limits right this is to be used extraordinarily sparingly right under the only the most dire of circumstances and yet he announced it because Ottawa residents were being traumatized by honking which had already been brought to a halt right many many many days previously and Chris Barber said um well we embarrassed him and I said no we didn't we just handed him a platform and he embarrassed himself but he backed himself into a corner and he ran out of the city when you guys too didn't he yes they skirted him out of the city for his safety we found out didn't he say he had covid he was exposed to covet well first of all he came out first of all he came out and called us racists then he came out with his big Fringe minority with unacceptable views then all of a sudden he had been exposed to somebody that had coveted even though he was three times vaccinated then all of a sudden he's skirted out of Ottawa for his safety and like I was just saying we found out after he was skiing in the laurentians um just ludicrous look who does that well it was obviously time to go skiing yes it was that's very in the state of emergency yes yeah yes uh Doug Ford was also snowmobiling during that time too so they were obviously very concerned very concerned and uh I mean it did the pressure just gets started getting more and more intense and the irony of the invocation of the emergencies Act was that Keith Wilson myself and my husband we're on our way to go meet with the honorable Mr Brian packford yeah and on the way over we heard on the radio that Justin Trudeau was going to be invoking the emergencies act so imagine that moment we walked we walked in and Keith told Mr peckford about that and and he just sort of like Saturday was one of the creators of the Alaska that actually uh put the potential for the powers for the Emergency act in place and has stated very publicly that Trudeau the Trudeau government by no means or by no stretch of the imagination had encountered a situation that necessitated what the original framers of that documented document would have considered a genuine emergency yeah so I mean just he just went full on nuclear and that's when the bank accounts as well 200 Canadians right 280 Canadian citizens stolen mothers were stuck at the grocery store till unable to pay for their groceries families were unable to buy medicine for their children they couldn't pay mortgages uh people couldn't pay or receive their child support there was no parliamentary oversight there was no court order from a judge Christian Freeland couldn't do it fast enough I mean she was giggling like a schoolgirl when she announced it which was appalling at the evidence that came out at the inquiry was that she wanted to label us as terrorists so she could seize our assets it was disgusting and so I'm doing a lot of American Media right now to promote my book and that and that's one of the things I always say is that this isn't just a story for Canada this is important yeah because if they can do it in Canada the most peaceful passive and polite country on the planet it can happen anywhere and it will happen yeah well I know like one of the things we did learn traveling around I think Tammy and I have been in like 250 cities something like that in the last two years and Canadians have no idea what the bank account thefts in particular did to Canada's International reputation yes I mean first of all I think Trudeau is regarded around the world as the worst leader of the G7 by a large margin and I would say especially in Eastern Europe that's true among those on the left as well as those on in the center and on the right and the most egregious error he made was taking bank accounts like people cannot believe that happened and certainly not that it happened in Canada right that was just an absolute shock of an absolute 100 percent violation of of trust in the government but also trust in Canada's banking industry and in the separation of the banking industry from the government which is something we want to keep separate like we really want to keep that cell no they're not so no no that's for sure well not one single president of any Bank stood up and said no yeah I think was it one of the banks apologized later yes well I'm sorry an apology doesn't cut it nope that's for sure like where were you guys when this you they should have been standing up and saying no we need like a court order from a judge or anything no we need like 10 court orders from judges I mean right this isn't something we do overnight because we kowtowed to the tyrants in Ottawa exactly that's for sure but it was intimidation yeah what was the rush to close the bank accounts yeah well everything's an emergency that's right yeah yeah all right so things start to get tense in Ottawa and how does that play out on the ground well a lot of people started leaving because they were threatening to take insurance and seize Vehicles like children and take the children pets again back to the provocation yeah they were going to come take pets take those pets and they tried really everything that they could and so a lot of people started leaving which we were encouraging because we didn't want we didn't know it was coming I mean I never in my wildest dreams imagined that was coming but we didn't want anyone to get arrested or lose their jobs I mean these people have suffered enough right and I remember the Wednesday the Wednesday before I was arrested I was at the Sheridan and a group of our core people started leaving and um a Quebec mother one of the road captains was was taking off and we said a very tearful goodbye and I went up to my room and I was upset crying because we were saying goodbye to these people became our family and um I reached into my pockets and of course every time I was on the hill like people were literally stuffing money into my freedom pants I called them my freedom pants and I and I was like oh my God so I ran back downstairs and I just I just gave her everything I had and uh you know we said another tearful goodbye my dad had come into town with my sister they brought some supplies and they were also picking up my other sister and we were at the Swiss Hotel and I remember dad said well we're going to they my sister wanted to go to Gatineau because she'd never been to Quebec and and I said no dad was like well we'll get a room and then we'll leave in the morning and I said you guys need to get as far away from here as you can now and I started walking upstairs and I remember I turned around and I just said I love you Dad that's when the rumors were flying that you know evil truckers were going to regroup somewhere outside of Ottawa in preparation to retake the city that's great yeah yeah which is something you know that I I find a little bit odd that that they don't give us credit for especially after what came out of the inquiry I mean we outnumbered and overpowered them if we had been there with an agenda to take over Ottawa and overthrow the government we could have done it they were not prepared the Ottawa city police was in a shambles an absolute shambles I mean one hand didn't know what the other one was doing and would that happen to us in real time a liaison officer comes to the Swiss to deliver a message and halfway through his message we're like what because we had a different message he gets on his phone and finds out it was the wrong message like this is happening right in front of us oh wow the ineptitude of that organization was stunning right and you're saying that in contrast to the Ontario yes they were amazing what do you think the difference was like why do you think it was so inept in Ottawa but working at the Ontario level I don't know bureaucracy yeah but they're both bureaucratic right one woke bureaucracy yes one maybe not so well maybe maybe yeah maybe sounds like it to me because the the the clowniness the clowniness of that sounds woke yeah right yeah right right yes I think that's a large part of it and I mean um the chief slowly who is the police chief at that time was having a lot of problems internally with his people not listening to him yeah well no wonder when you listen to him publicly you thought well there's someone that no one should listen to yeah you're right but you know what I did get to go up to him at the inquiry and I shook his hand and I said thank you for your service and I'm sorry for the Fallout yeah that's happened to you because he I believe he did the best he could he was under a lot of pressure did he do and say a lot of the right things absolutely not but this is very telling there's six weeks of testimony at the inquiry Justin Trudeau Christoph Freeland Marco Mendicino David lametti all these clowns sorry all these uh members of parliament were on the stand and examined for about two hours Peter slowly was on the stand for two days two days so he was being scapegoated yeah yeah he was being scapegoated and I remember the day that he announced his resignation everybody in the room was just cheering and celebrating and they thought this was excellent that this Chief and I was Keith and I are like this is not good number one a man just lost his entire career today and number two what's coming next is not is going to be worse and we were right so it was very intense lots of people were leaving we were saying a lot of goodbyes and um I went and did the video the night before because I was we were pretty sure we were going to be arrested and I wasn't going to leave like how could I leave I wasn't going to leave all those people there you know that's my perspective I mean I don't mean to sound cliche but I mean a captain goes down with a ship so we we made plans we got some people out of the Swiss Hotel because we thought if we're going down we need someone to keep the ship afloat so I sent Keith and Eva to a different hotel we sent the accountant somewhere else and some other people somewhere else and um I'd been walking around the last few days there seeing these F Trudeau flags and people yelling at reporters and while I do believe that we were all justifiably angry my perspective is we can't win we can't meet hate with hate and that was my message from the start we we can only do this peacefully we can only do this coming from a place of love in our hearts no matter what you think and it was upsetting me so I went up and I did that last video and and discussed that you know I just said please remember that Justin Trudeau has three kids that have that same last name and just like I have three kids and my kids are waking up to see me called horrible names one of them woke up to read that I was dead yeah in jail yeah really not at that point obviously but you know this is the stuff that they were seeing and I was and I'm just thinking like think of them even if you hate him think of them think of those reporters that are out there I mean doing a terrible job I mean they're probably just trying to feed their families is what I said and I don't yeah but they could do that they could do that by doing a good job I agree I agree but I get your point yes and um yeah and then I was pretty sure that I was going to be arrested and uh sure enough the next day the next day yeah get arrested and what was that like to be arrested well for somebody that's never even been in Facebook jail before it was quite quite an eye-opening experience um I spent the evening in the police at the police station and the cells there which was awful I spent the day walking around with a veteran talking to people and signing Flags or whatever just talking with people listening to their stories and so by the time we got back to the Swiss I was quite damp and cold and then and then Danny and I made the decision to go out and turn ourselves in after Chris had been arrested number one uh the lady that owns that hotel and had you been charged at that point so why did you turn yourselves in like because they arrested Chris yeah we knew that they were looking for organizers we turned ourselves in because we didn't want them coming to the Swiss Hotel because she's such a sweet woman like she we saved her from bankruptcy she was two weeks away from bankruptcy when we showed up we that saved our business my husband and Danny's wife were both at the Swiss Hotel and I can't even imagine the trauma of having to witness something like that I mean I had it easy I was in jail it's the people around me that really suffered the people that cared about me that really suffered I'm fine I was fine I mean was it great no it sucked um but I you know I I prayed I I just said okay God we've exposed so much you're obviously not done with me yet and if this is my job it's thy will not my will and one foot one foot in front of the other you just keep on keeping on yeah you guys maybe we should because we're starting to too encroach on the end of our time maybe we should uh talk about what the trucker Convoy accomplished so let me lay out some of the things I saw and then please please you know elaborate so well first of all it was a model for a peaceful demonstration of great magnitude well organized under a tremendous amount of duress right and in in an inhospitable climate literally speaking on an inhospitable political climate right under assault by the lying Legacy Media and by the top leaders of the country right so that's all quite something and yet it was extremely peaceful and not so peaceful that it was impossible for the people who were trying to pillory you to even find single events that weren't entirely fabricated that indicated that anyone there at all was causing any untoward trouble and that was always what I was looking for because I thought you guys would be infiltrated by like that the wing nuts would show up sooner or later but we mitigated that that's what I was saying if it was like cnid filing Aid you know antifa came in right away so we set up block captains and they would do patrols to make sure that the people were safe in their trucks so they'd want they'd walk the street right so you had jobs for them yes yes right I mean that's what I'm saying um but I've not worked with antifa pardon me that worked with it yes yep yep so they just need something to do yeah yeah that that's really not that surprising yeah exactly but the superintendent uh of intelligence for the opp testified at the inquiry that the lack of violence was shocking that his words he also testified that what he was hearing coming from the media and from our politicians did not match with the intelligence that they were getting off the ground so again lion Mendicino is up there every day talking about how violent we were and on and on and on like we're rapists and arsonists and insurrectionists and it was all a lie the night they arrested those two guys in that apartment they knew they knew the night they were arrested yes yeah I'm going to make sure these guys are held accountable where were they arrested and what in Ottawa so there's those two guys that were trying to burn the apartment building down and a lady walks by apparently sees these guys I mean it's all documented on Twitter I've got I've got all of them um so a lady comes into the apartment building sees these guys trying to light a fire and then goes up to her apartment yeah right Glenn McGregor was first on the scene he was there before the police were called yeah that was quite that was quite the State of Affairs just an absolute bloody what what live from from beginning to end really really quite stunning all right so you manage this extremely peaceful demonstration that was broadcast intently around the world despite all of the Legacy Media lies which and that's all they did pretty much was lie about it yes and that was a model for people around the world I think I know for a fact because I've talked to the Dutch farmer organizers that the Canadian protests were um what would you say um inspiring inspirational yeah and that's happened in many countries and and uh I think it's also given the Dutch Farmers heart and that's produced somewhat of a political transformation in Holland which is or in the Netherlands which is a really big deal and then there were Radical changes in Canadian policy after you guys were after after the trucker Convoy ended and so so well let's talk about what you faced right at the end I mean we saw a footage of the police come riding in with horses and we saw you said we talked last night about the woman who was trampled by the police you want to help talk about her for a moment uh yes I I was just fortunate enough to spend the weekend with her and uh chababizzi too um candy was a carnival worker here in Ontario and she was there protesting peacefully she's I can't remember the reserve she's from She's mohawk and she was there with her walker and they trampled her and she's got a broken clavicle which has not been addressed yet um could well she she needs help right so um she's unable to work right now clearly traumatized you know it was devastating what they did and um and also Chaba who's just one of many um was surrendered peacefully came out of his truck and was badly badly beaten he had broken he had broken bones in his neck he had a broken wrist internal bleeding did you say they were kneeing him yes there's footage I've sent it to you guys there's footage um yeah he surrendered peacefully and you can see these cops like literally with all their might kneeing this guy in the in the back it was atrocious and he surrendered peacefully it's not like he was resisting arrest I mean we we'd all talked with Danny we all knew what to expect if they are going to arrest you Don't resist tell them who you are like identify yourself and then that's all you have to do just go so and then a lot of these people um were arrested handcuffed left in cold transport units or paddy wagons for hours driven out to the outskirts of Ottawa and dropped off in a snowstorm no way way wow really thankfully Melissa McKee from bikers church and her husband who are the just the most beautiful people she they were very involved in like it was their their church was like a sanctuary and so what she'd been doing was a lot of the people that she knew she would have them write her number on their arm and their lawyer's number on their arm so when that happened or if that happened they they could call because I mean a lot of these people they don't know anybody there you know if I got dropped off on the outskirts of Ottawa I would have no idea where to go if I had no cell phone or you know so in the aftermath of the trucker company now the the conservative party essentially shattered itself which really wasn't the goal of it what wasn't the goal of the Convoy right but but we became the official The Unofficial official opposition yeah yeah yeah what else do you think the the Convoy accomplished that restored oh this makes me correct I don't know why this always makes me cry people were proud to be Canadian again the the two words that I heard the most the first one was hope coming all across Canada it was the number one word I heard and the second one was Pride yeah hope that's a hard thing to give people I mean I myself Canada day is was always one of my most favorite holidays until the last few years and I just quit going but I mean I was the one that would always take my kids to the fireworks like this is important you know I grew up being fascinated watching the Americans and their passion for their country and their flag and I I was always very good at that sort of thing yes and and but there was never that sense here and so that was my first experience imagining what that must be like so and I think we opened a lot of eyes like I I do well and a lot of the covid Tyranny started to fall apart and in the aftermath of the trucker Convoy and well it should have been a super spreader event we should have already dead of kovitz I couldn't tell you one person I know there that that got covet or had covid yeah what was more like a super spreader event that took down the kovid Tyranny right because things really did start to open up after that and I know the politicians denied that there was any connection but it was pretty bloody obvious that there was a connection so that was really heartening to see us you know because you know one of the things to remember is that well that might have been the thing who knows right because we toyed with totalitarianism for two years like we seriously toyed with it and then we walked back from the brink that's what it looks like to me if you want to read it optimistically I mean a pessimist would say well maybe we didn't have to toy with totalitarianism to begin with and fair enough but sometimes people have to be hit pretty hard in the back of the head before they wake up and it is possible that we woke up and we'll decide not to go down that Road and I think that if that's the case then the trucker Convoy played a signal role in that and that's not nothing you know that's that's extraordinarily important you know and that's pretty funny if that's at least in part a consequence of your decision that you know maybe you had some responsibility too despite the fact you know like what the hell do you know and you're just another person there might be more to being just another person than people think yes well I think Chris Barber said it best and we were still traveling to Ottawa in the Convoy at this time and he was on the radio and we were just talking where he was talking with other truckers the boat I don't even know what was waiting for us or what we were going to accomplish and he said we've already won guys and he was right like people came out and came together and you know um there's a gentleman that did a Blog out of North Bay and he and he in his blog he said it was so dark like it was everyone had the sense before we started that they couldn't last one more week so this gentleman in North Bay had had done a Blog and in his blog he said he said there was a sense that people could not go on even one more week like this was dark times really dark times and nobody called anybody nobody organized any groups of people to go out people just got up and got their families up off their couch and they went out to the side of the road and then when they got to the road there was all these other people there are thousands of people and I can imagine the darkness that's right it's winter yes old yeah yeah but all of a sudden there's all these people there and they're like they didn't feel alone anymore and they didn't feel like they were going crazy because I'm that's how I felt sometimes I was like how what the hell can you guys not see what is going on here like am I the only person seeing this and and so it was just so it was just so beautiful it was honestly the most beautiful show of humanity I've ever seen and Canadians did what they do we had more donations than we knew what to do with we were taking food to as far away as Sudbury to the food banks because there was so much you know out at The Farms we had the little outposts I mean there was dog food lip chap gloves uh tampons everything there was everything under the sun that Canadians just donated in droves yeah you know and that's to that's the candidate that I grew up in yeah well maybe maybe we'll hang on to our freedom you never know it's possible we're gonna find out over the next decade that's for sure because we're really toying with things on both ends at the moment but yes yeah well it was heartening to see this happen and while it was heartening to see its effect for example in the Netherlands that's a big deal right that what the Dutch farmers are doing there that's everybody in the world should have their attention focused on that because that's Battlefield Central these local these local battles aren't local at all and that's why so much International attention was focused on the Canadian trucker Convoy at that point too you know because everyone had the sense that this is about more than well it's about more than Canada that's for sure and it's about more than the you know local concerns of a handful of misogynists bigots and Confederate flag waving fascists that's for sure well I mean never before did we quarantine the healthy to protect the vulnerable yeah never before yeah yeah well and and to no good end and and and and and and as a consequence we've produced a tremendous amount of damage and it'll take decades really to sort out exactly the cost of all that yeah well I deal with that I have a I have a daughter that has developed drinking problem um she suffers she can't drive from Manitoba to Medicine Hat without having two panic attacks she's depressed I mean she her graduation consisted of her putting on a gown and a mask and having a photo taken her graduation yeah yeah we took a lot from those kids boy yes do you know that's your whole school life is getting ready for that one moment yeah and then she went and did a semester at the University in Calgary locked in her arrest yeah I mean she should have been going to pubs full tuition at full tuition let's not forget that yes yeah that was the University's contribution to the totalitarian catastrophe it's like well we won't actually offer you any services but we'll take your money yes yeah cute yeah well look we can we can end this with some hope you know the trucker Convoy did accomplish a lot and we didn't get a chance to talk to talk to you about what you're facing now in the future maybe we'll do that on the daily wire plus side for those of you who are watching and listening thank you very much for your time and attention and to the Daily wire plus people for arranging this on very short notice because Tamara just came over for dinner last night we decided to do this then that's very helpful I'm going to talk to Tamara for another half an hour on the daily wear plus side and you guys who are watching and listening you might consider heading over there and providing them with some support you know that YouTube has been on our our case because I'm allied with the daily wire folks For Better or Worse at the moment and they've really launched you know somewhat of a full frontal attack on us in the last couple of weeks and that's not good and so if you're concerned about that um well one thing you can do or think about doing is to provide the daily wire plus folks with some support they've been very good partners for me for whatever that's worth and uh and Tamara thank you very much for agreeing to talk to us today and Tam thank you for participating Thank You country thank you yeah for sure appreciate it all right everyone good thanks Lord [Music]

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