TRT Method Virtual Event | Foal Handling

[Music] [Music] do [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] we're going to be learning what is really important to a fall and what is important for a fall to learn we're going to be talking about teaching our falls how to enter into the space of conversation how should your fault approach you to create a likable character i'm going to be showing you how to make those first steps in creating first connections and how to teach your fault to want to enter into the space of conversation the difference between trying to put a halter on a fall and teaching them to put a halter on themselves so i'm really glad you guys have chosen to join us let's get started hey guys tristan we're live good evening the screen was flickering well hopefully now that we're faces are on camera then the flickering will stop i hope so maybe people can let us know in the chat if they see like a screen flickering or not and if so we'll think of a solution wiggle the chords a little yeah wiggle the chords slap it around a bit so guys we're here for our full training evening it's of course currently that time of the year where connie happens to have obtained a couple of falls which we'll hear about later but of course for many of you you probably also have falls at home tonight's training is of course to address the certain things you can when you can start you know when should we start with our falls how old should that be when they start um of course in europe i feel a lot of horses that come to me later on maybe yieldings two-year-olds three-year-olds and of course a lot of the characteristics the experiences the previous memory emotions to certain events that they've already experienced are part of the character building um is that like a difference with australia do you see like a difference in culture and it's different everywhere um and also because of the climate a lot of the falls are brought up in australia of course outside so they can be totally uh free and of course in europe they're a lot in free stables they're all together in a group and you know put in a set up where you know they're experiencing a lot of things on the property tractors and things like that yeah through my experience being home in australia through working with thoroughbreds um they have quite a good culture in this is also nice he's already creating an introduction yeah or he's about to run off and kick me in the back because he doesn't like the smell of my but yeah there's and that's the same in a lot of places also in ireland a lot of studs in the uk that they have a guy that specifically comes in and it's his job then to start the handling process and of course somebody that is three years old to me no as false oh so and of course in the racing industry a lot of the time the horses are sold as yearlings in the yielding sales because there of course already have to be running and earning money as as two-year-olds so there's normally a guy that comes in for that job specifically and of course if that's your job to have the horses that they are halter broken pick up the legs you know do all the normal things you can lead them they develop a certain technique and of course there are still guys that are what we call manhandling you know getting the job done lassoing um you know getting the job done basically and not that every anybody sets out to do the wrong thing you know we are all just doing the best we can to get the result that we want of course i see that a lot as i say in the beginning with horses coming yearlings two-year-olds three-year-olds that a lot of the characteristics can be different if you spend just that little bit of time uh in the fall handling process and of course a lot of the time you feel from the experiences that it's they've been in a situation where they've had to get it done maybe a lot of big um stables in europe have a lot of falls and they don't have the time yeah and then barrier comes and then yeah and they have an incident or you know and sometimes they may be successful in their way they're doing it we do it like this because we've always done it like that yeah and of course the horses then experience uh having to get it done kind of deal instead of you know the education of teaching them what to think before we ask the question all of these processes which takes a little bit of time in the beginning but if you're prepared to just take those few more minutes then you get a completely different result and and also for the future yeah so tonight um i will of course only show you what i do because that's all i can show you um thank god but this is what i was employed to do in a lot of places and spaces throughout the world also in australia oh so you actually went to the stables yes so i had some jobs at some times to be handling false numbers of them to get them started to get them caught sometimes they come in a big group with lots of different ages and you have to separate them and decide what is what yeah that's also the process of handling and things like that and of course we have now here in europe uh my in-laws have their own breeding breeding two falls a year and they are also doing the trt practice of course and their faults are very well handled um but it's really to be able to spend that time so we'll be talking tonight about well we give the answer right away when is it time and i'm always in the feeling that it's uh if you're old enough to stand they're old enough to stand they're old enough to learn they're learning the moment they are on their feet so if we can start to be able to shape them and help them to understand their body to be balanced and to be secure and safe and not that there's searching and finding that in whichever way life brings it to them we can already start to get them to find their body in a in a way that it's going to be beneficial later for riding things like that and of course you know they have to also be left to be horses but that small introduction in the beginning of learning that and also getting to know if you can get to know how your fault is from the beginning you know you're getting a really pure character something that's not already experienced things and you may mistake an a certain experience and a memory to an event as a characteristic of their personality so you really get to know them and them to get to know you what is it about how do you approach how to have a conversation how should the conversations be and if we don't spend that time in the beginning the conversations that they have are sometimes something that's in a hurry yeah someone has to get a halter on them you may not have done any handling and all of a sudden they get their legs stuck in the fence and you have to put them on the trailer these sorts of things so yeah it's really takes a little time in the beginning but if we can just spend those few minutes it's it's very beneficial in the end so we'll go through those points what we see here is we've already started we have an interaction so and of course for you guys at home it it could be different every situation is going to be different you're only going to be working with the fall or the horse you have in that moment it's going to be different of course if the fall is two days old and just stood up it's going to be different if the mares if the fall is still on the mare it's going to be different of course for these guys because they are weaned they've already experienced some things they've had to do some things yes um they'll have a different association with the hand clipper yeah so those sorts of things we have to take into account but it's always just to start a conversation in explaining to them how to be in the most comfortable position we want to start by you know i always like to think myself consistently okay there's a general idea of what is important to a fall and what is important for a fault to know yeah so the first thing of what is important to a fall is only that position of comfort yeah can i can i interrupt like one second i want to know like from the technical part is the flickering has it stopped it's a stop well see that if you just put the right thing in front of the screen don't get too close the screen might crack so what is important to a fold it's that position of comfort and they know from the beginning instinctually that position of comfort is with the mother so if we're starting from the beginning and we try to come between that safety that connection of contact then we are automatically going to be seen as something negative they can get used to it of course that they think oh i didn't die he's here again oh i didn't die again and they get used to it but you can also teach them a level of connection yeah how to create that new connection with humans that gives the same sensation of security and understanding of themselves as they do with the instinct from their mother so that's the important thing to remember that always that they're only looking for a position of comfort so anything you do that challenges that is going to be forcing them into the flight fight reaction um and of course from the beginning what is then important to the fall is always got to be in the back of the mind when we start to go through the list of what is important for a fault to know so sometimes we can get a little bit uh ahead of ourselves thinking okay i've got to put a halter on yeah and we jump straight to that without thinking what is important to him yeah so of course the the important things in the end will be to put the hold on to pick up the feet to teach them to lead but the first steps is that entering into the space of conversation yeah but he wants to that he wants to do it yeah and of course you're going to get two spec terms of that you're going to get your bold folds that are going to walk up they maybe have a very sweet mother and the father that has the characteristic also of being very up front so entering into that space in the correct way to be polite is also really important the way we've started here is a really nice way because when i come into the space in the beginning i don't want to be walking in and thinking okay our job is full training today let's go to the fall yeah we go straight in the box and we already start to take over the space of conversation so the idea of uh you know thinking that we're going in and maybe we have an idea to create leadership and of course you have to be a guiding mentor someone that's going to give the good information about the energy and about what's going in in that space but you're not walking in the lead and say today we're going to put the halter on here because then you forget what's important to him and that's to be comfortable yeah so this start when we come in we're already starting the training you might come in with the fall and you might be just doing something and then you you start to get the curiosity fall starts to want to think oh what are you doing yeah they're just the same as when they come into a new group and they're with mum and they see another fall and you know what's he doing over there you kind of get that so you start to lure that curiosity this is already like a big difference from uh from when i picked him up yeah but maybe we can go to the video yeah explain let's learn a little bit about him yeah so let's uh go to the video from rolex [Music] hey guys so this is rolex a stallion dutch worm blood fontaine by governor i bought him at an online auction and the funny thing is that filming day of that online auction was at this table so i was able to watch all the falls and not every fall presents himself that well on camera so you can maybe you can imagine you have to do a line in walk through the canter and some fall spook on that line and then behind the camera they show themselves pretty dang dang [Music] okay so the videos are still flickering so we couldn't really play the video because someone might get a headache or epileptic or yeah yeah we don't want that so i'll tell a little bit the story um rolex i bought him at the online fall auction and the funny thing is that whole option was here at my stable so the filming of the pro option and um you can probably imagine that on that day a lot of polls are coming and i was just sitting there watching all the polls and they had to do like a truck uh canter and walk on a certain line but some falls spooked a bit or when they were doing trot they would jump into canter and they didn't present themselves that well on camera but some falls were doing pretty well when they were not on camera and rolex was one of them and he was really young and i thought well maybe he can be interesting so i was able to buy him i picked him up about a week ago and when i went into the stable he was literally afraid of me so i was thinking okay this might not be a great start also he didn't really have a lot of um experience with putting the halter on leading so it was also quite a challenge to get him on the trailer um but he's now here he has developed pretty good he moves really nicely i think he has a very sweet character but tristan you might have something to say about that but yeah over the past few days he's not that afraid anymore but he's still like missing like the basics of like putting on the halter picking up the feet and stuff like that so um yeah let's have a look we'll get started as you can see already like we said in the beginning we're going to have different falls at different levels but the idea is always to have that in mind of what's important to the fall and that that thing about being comfortable and the situation that you're going to be working in is also going to be different you know now we have here a lovely big box a double box with a lot of space you know a round pen is also good working in the field is also good i like to have a little bit of a space where the foal can move but and that you can move away from the fall that you can really be able to give the rest and and take away your presence in the moments where he's of course doing the right things so if we're entering into a space like this i just try to feel in the beginning how the horse how the fall is entering into that space so if you are walking in and you start to not really do anything and the fall is already coming to you that's your beginning point if the vole is not coming to you i'm just looking to create a little bit of an attention this much and when he starts to come towards me i st in the beginning i go away so i'm not looking to make contact to create contact i'm only looking to get him to want to enter into the space of conversation and if i get a fault that's a little bit more pushing into that space then i may create a little energy that he's not running into that space but he's inviting himself calmly into that space then i look for a contact point most of the time i want the false first to make contact with me so not that i'm reaching out to them this is the same for utrts that are starting with your tools i'm looking for the fault to make contact with me so he knows it's comfortable to push on to me and then i start to try to keep contact if the if the fall is sensitive around the head i try to go to the thicker parts of the body i pay attention to if they start to push into me i might rub a little bit less and i'm just trying to be in this conversation where we have an interaction we build a dialogue if i found find a little itchy point i try to stay on that itchy point until we first get a feeling or a sense that he's thinking oh okay i understand how this experience is going to be he's not in a hurry to put something on me to make me do something so we can have an interaction i then start to go through the body feel how they are and then i i'm also focusing on the attention how long he can keep the attention how long he wants to stay in the interaction so if i feel like i've gone a little distance i then go away from them so step out of that space of conversation so stop talking for a little bit i have to be aware also when talking to you guys that he is not feeling that that's my energy directed at him then i just feel through the body again so now i've been able to do the neck the back a little bit the rump i stay on the thickest parts of the body first when i go out of that space of conversation i stop saying something to him i see if he wants to then continue the conversation he might start to rub on me a little bit if he starts to do that i start to rub him back we feel a little bit the other side when i change sides i also want to feel that he comes to me so if i'm going here and he's coming to me then i can let him make the contact and then i continue with the contact so remembering not to go to the other side and go straight to him but remembering that you're trying to invite him into the space of conversation and that you want there to be a dialogue that you're doing something he's doing something here i find a little bit of an itchy spot i also feel it in his skin so i stay here with a little bit of rubbing maybe he wants to put me somewhere else i also aware of my body language my body energy and i just feel where i can go with the hands and again i start to go away again and see what he wants to do remembering that they're young so they're not going to be able to have a long intellectual conversation for an hour you know maybe he's going to want to have a break eat some hay go to the drinker so now when we start to be able to rub a little bit i go to the places where i want to put the halter i like that they keep a little bit of this focus on me with the two eyes and i rub a little bit up the nose towards the eyes and he kind of uses my hands then as a rubbing post and i go underneath the eyes up towards the ears and here i always stay a little bit in this position that i can keep the focus and when i get now up behind the ears and then gonna go away again and i'm always going in a way in a way that i'm drawing my body a little bit away from them and rubbing in this position in front is also inviting you're inviting this contact for him to come to you and if he wants to move away he can step away if i need to step a little bit away to if i feel he's starting to think about getting nervous of me touching i can go away from him so i'm dominating then the space of conversation and he wants to go away from it so then i've been able to go over the behind the ears then i can start to go over the ears so remember telling them what to think before you ask the question so before i stand beside him and take my hand here over the ears which is where i'm going to want to go when i put the halter on i've already done that from here in a place in the space where if he feels he wants to go away it's too much i can draw away he's already getting quite confident now that he's almost wanting to chew on me so to change that a little bit i then will move away without the draw so i'm leaving then the space of conversation a little bit let him have a little bit reward a break see if he wants to eat hay here he turns and wants to continue again but then i just make my body language a little bit more up so then i'm saying to him when we're drawing a lot and getting him confident in the conversation so i go away again see what he wants to do does he want to have a break lick his food bin eat some hay check out the halter connie just put there so i all the time stepping out of the conversation and then seeing how he rejoins the space of conversation and this is where you can start to him about how to enter that space so now he starts because we've drawing and he's gotten to a point where he's like oh i can be i've got a lot to say in this conversation you're pretty easy to talk to so from a fold that connie said in the beginning was really scared and didn't like to be touched just because of our body language we can start to change that shape a little bit so i move away again when he enters into the space of conversation so then you're shaping the character you know if you get a folded stretching if you get a fall that is running at you you know the worst thing you can do then is step away if you've got a foal that's running away from you the worst thing you can do is run towards them so you're shaping that character in the beginning is he a sweet foal he's a sweet foal because of the actions that he takes if he's a fool that's running at you or abiding you are jumping on his mum and thinking he's going to do the same to you then we start to think oh he's a bit you know dominant and then he becomes then you tell him off and then he becomes aggressive then he thinks you like the other foal so it's shaping those just because of the way of the conversation so then we start to think about we're in this position it's not a great camera angle but i'm going to work again go back from where i started over the ears under the chin now you're going to see i push underneath the chin a little bit so i push a little bit up so i'm continuing with the rubbing i push a little bit up when he comes down like this i go a little bit away from him again so what i want is when i start to take my hand up under the chin and up onto the side of the face he does this with his nose and when he does this in the beginning i go away from him again he's entering so he said chatty he's a chatty fella so we start again from the front work the way to the side keep contact hand underneath start to lift a little bit up so i'm rubbing but i'm lifting up his nose comes down i go a little away from him again boy so he's continuing things come on keep scratching me i understand this bit so if they walk back i follow a little bit i can also change to this position get the focus again under again a little bit pressure up underneath when he starts to come towards me now i can start to think about bringing the halter up and then i rub again same position now i have the halter with me so he's feeling the halter so telling him what to think before we ask the question i go away there because it's nice and under he drops the nose a little bit against my hand yeah he goes into the halter now i follow him he's got it on the nose i guide him with my outside hand lift up oh he takes the breath he leans towards me i take it away so everything i've done before the putting the halter on is a step that's going to lead me into being able to leave the conversation in a nice way because of the rubbing under the tune and they get this dropping and bending towards you they're leaning into something so it's not that you're putting it on and they're leaning away they're learning to lean towards something so this is where we say that they're putting the halter on themselves you know they're not going with their feet and tying the knot of course but you putting it on them trying to get it on them or them leaning into it is the two different things that we want to and you see already that he lent into it he walked a little bit he took a breath he turned towards me again he went down that gave me the opportunity to take it away and then when we leave that conversation it's again assessing so don't think now okay let's do that again see if we can do it up start to feel okay what's important for him at the moment what was important for him is the break he's not coming back to the conversation maybe he needs to think about it process it a little bit eat some hay maybe take a drink have a conversation with somebody else because he's getting sick of talking to me so these bits are important don't think okay i'm going to train my fall for 25 minutes and i'm going to keep trying to do something until the 25 minutes is up you have to really read that situation and then if you're sensitive to that and you only go into that space and you lure them into that space of conversation they talk a little bit you make a little progress and you go away again then each time you come in the fall has that idea of oh we're going to have this chat again and where is this chat going to take us so we let him have a little break on do you want to see if you've got some little q a's in between i have a question from simona and she says what would you do with a young so what i try to do in the beginning is get them to focus on me so i'm getting them to want to look at the space so before coming into the space of conversation they have to look at it they have to be aware of it don't i never think okay i want the he says hey i'm ready for another good boy so it's uh important that we don't think how do we get the foal you know to want to come to us you know how do we first get them aware that there is a space of conversation when we walking into that space and they're with the mother and they're used to the energy between them and the mother and we come into that space we create another energy and sometimes just the simple fact that we're there that energy is enough to say oh i want to stay with this energy i don't want that energy entering this space so first get them to just be aware of your energy within the space looking at that space of conversation if they can look at you a little bit through movement through being shy in the corner through being something in and as soon as you get that one eye that one look then change and go somewhere and always feel like you're drawing so it doesn't have to be that he comes to you straight away without even just noticing you yeah you have to be aware of your starting point and then the first bit is that he is aware there is a space of conversation there is a possibility to approach and that be comes first from looking yeah so when the fall is having the looking and you start to draw away you just play with that conversation that first conversation might just be that he wants to look at you then you might go away you come back the next day or in an hour or two hours you see he's he's had his break that's the time period of his break he's now ready to do some more so you know that's your starting point and then you you're going from there you know and then if you have you can get some moments where you they might not seek the contact you know i'm drawing a lot now because i'm explaining about drawing he's not exactly needing that drawing at the moment and i think for everybody watching normally we have like a q a at a certain point in time if you have a question already just ask questions because we might need to take a few breaks in between and then we can answer some some questions so now you see a different thought now he's not running into it and then i just start to rub a little bit here so doing the things we were doing before he stands still it's on his nose i go one more time away so a little brush under the chin with my hand he puts the nose down i take the halter off that's avoiding this taking the halter off and the head going backwards and away you want to continue see the falls are also not used to live events so again rubbing if he starts to go more backwards i just go back to the other step i would go in front of him again so now we're not getting any movement at all i start to take the halter over and then we're doing it up letting him carry it feel it a little bit so before we start to move and think about steering i'm letting them wear it a little bit sometimes if i have them with the mother i let them wear it and then i walk with the mother and i let them carry the halter a little bit i go with him in the start so no pressure on the halter i let him wear it a little bit and then i concentrate on my rubbing again so we've changed something he has the halter on and okay he's already had a halter on before but i'm always focusing on just working in the moment he's also not totally comfortable confident about it like oh i've had a halter on before so i want to give him this good feeling again and i'm going to go back to our head this eyes up the head get him drawing get him confident again when he starts to want to just push in me a little bit maybe even chew on me a bit oh good boy then we're going to take it off again so you have to also think that getting the halter on is not the prize the goal it's a training so we want to make sure that we treat it as a training okay i want to be able to come in every day and you come up to me and you want to have this halter on and we have to explain all the parts of that so i continue because he's come back into the conversation again rubbing with the halter if he starts to regress too much then i will go back to the front again he wants to go away here i don't chase him i wait till he comes back to the conversation we're just going to talk again about the halter rubbing the halter on the side of the face underneath the chin rubbing underneath the chin i go away again see what he wants to do yeah good boy so this tells you that he's not like our halters you know it's nothing i can wear a halter so he wants to dominate the conversation a little bit again sometimes the chewing can be uh trying to build up their confidence i go with him again i just go a little bit against the hip i go with him oh there he takes a little breath i rub again let him feel the halter i rub the halter doing all the nice things where we begin our conversation going rehashing the old dialogue with the halter on he feels it the rubbing ah boy and then we've had our little training session and then i take it off again again being aware that when we take it off that it's drawing away and so then you explain to him the end game the training session will of course be longer as he gets older and he's learnt more things and we're doing more things but we've already explained to him what it is to be a horse we come in we put the halter on we have a conversation we do some things and the halter goes off again and then thinking that you know how long have we been going now but we've already had quite some training sessions and if you spend three four days of only this the falls get even the most nervous will in two three days really want to come to you and be part of this conversation and just let them continue to want to be part of it so we're going to go now away from the halter and introduce some body movement so now that we can touch him all over i again rub the nose and i look for the bending and i guide the nose a little bit oh and as i'm guiding the nose i'm gonna push the hip and just get him to take one step like this and then i go away again so again he's we're doing something that he already knows he's creating the bending so he's creating already a direction in the body we then just teach him the first thing about moving away from pressure i like to be able to do this in the beginning if i can without the halter so we've already explained to them teach them what to think before we ask the question so when we go with the whole turon he's already understanding where i'm going to touch him and what we possibly could be going to ask of him so again i look for his attention i move a bit in the box he's like oh there you are good boy rubbing again hand up the side now we've got a little bend turn the hind egg good and go away again so pretty much that in the end making those links these steps that in the end if you open your hand and you go a little bit towards the hip the the fold is turning automatically what he's learning here is an order of movement in his body if you notice and watch a lot of falls they often move in a way and in an order that they can keep out of the way so it's not optimal in the beginning it's also determined by the ground they are standing on their natural conversation confirmation how they're born of course some are really high some are really long short in the neck long in the neck all these sorts of things but what we want to teach them here is an ultimate way of turning that really is going to fit their body and gives the them a connection to themselves he's learning now this connection between the diagonal pairs don't be surprised when you're starting to teach the falsif that they get addicted to it they may even get a little excited that they start to feel hey hang on a minute just like they would be if they were playing with a friend so i stay a little support on the cheek and little support on the hip now the handle goes under nicely nicely nicely and away again hey now we're moving and starting to dance a little bit then i can have my energy a little bit more in a flow again stop take notice what i really like to see is when you get a really nice connection diagonal pairs how the fold turns the next time [Laughter] he's like oh hang on a minute i'm just going to make this turn oh that feels a bit better so those of you that know trt will of course know that this is what we're the groundwork patterns that we're going to be teaching the older horses good order of movement a little bit on the hip and then i just rock him follow oh and away again boy and the away bit the retrieving for me is you know when you watch two falls as well they have a little interaction and then one just goes and trots off somewhere and i find when working with these little guys that can really get them to follow you to want to be included in this in the movement a little so you see now already the head comes really nicely hardly anything there little rub hand on the hip a little rock you're just feeling almost the pressure weight of your hand nothing more don't sort of push them over just guide them into the step this was really nice and retrieved again oh boy and then at this stage because i'm retreating don't be in a hurry for the next step you know because you're retreating maybe he's coming towards you because of the natural flow of his body follow oh very good and hind leg turn and go away from him again and then we just give him a little break so when you're doing those exercises making sure that this flow and you drawing away doesn't also give you an artificial uh sort of sense that he wants to continue you know and then you do when you do and you do so making some compulsory breaks at the same time i'm then normally doing only the hind legs when they're free and then i go to the halter again and i then just introduce that step with the halter on so they're getting the same feeling they're getting your hand they're getting you moving the hind leg and in the end the rain is going to do the same thing and when i'm able to get the bend and following and the moving of the hind leg then i can start to guide the front leg and when you're unguarding the front leg i'm going to be teaching them in the beginning a foal is going to want to be forward when he moves when he's thinking about moving confidently he's moving forward so i want him to learn to think about moving confidently but stepping through his body backwards but i don't want to do that in the beginning free because then we're sending him away maybe if you have a fall it's really over the top of you you can you're able to do that exercise and they're still on you so it's not a big deal but rolex here has started out as a bit of a nervous character as connie explained she couldn't touch him he was really afraid of her so we have to also feel that when we work with him so i'm thinking now it's not a fall in the beginning that i would move the front legs on him free we will do that in a moment again with the halter do you want to do a question yeah let's let him have a little break and we can do a q a question um yes so what age would you start with a halter when the fall is just a couple days old or when they are a little old normally when they're a couple of days old it will take you a little bit longer to get these steps with the turning but basically age for me is not a criteria it's how they are in the body if the vole is turning really well in these shapes and able to bend and follow and move in a way that's connected and balanced then yeah i can also start with the whole to make those connections if i start two days old and i feel i get maybe three sessions and they're leading on the halter i may not do something for three four days a week something like that but also i really like it myself personally if i can start a couple of days old and the first day i uh go if it's only 10 meters walking distance that the fall goes with me to the to the field the first time yeah um of course if you're in an open situation you let them go there in the field but yeah it's nice to be able to do that in the beginning and then maybe i um you know a couple of weeks before i start lifting legs and things like that that they are really balanced that they're really sure on the feet and there was also a question uh from someone who said if putting on a halt it takes a few days to just leave them in the stable or do you just let them walk with mother yeah it's it's yeah totally dependent if if you know if it's a safe short distance to go with the mother and the fall follows and but i also don't really like the idea of the the fall following in someone behind and the false already kind of learning like oh yeah you know they're hurting me so i mean if you if it takes you know four sessions you've done four sessions on one day by the second day there's very few files that will not say here let me yeah you know and maybe you have to do a few minutes and then go out and being able to put the halter on is dependent on how good your conversation is before it yeah if you go in and and you get that really nervous follow on and remember two days old they don't know really yet you know their instincts are there but they're not sort of like switched on to hayes coming in yeah no you might get one that's a bit sensitive and reads energy and the mother is also like that the father's a bit like that and and already the the foal has felt internally from being in the mother you know the sensitivity of the mayor hears a noise and she goes like this yeah and inside the followers are alert to those things so they hit the ground a little bit like that but they're hitting the ground and then they can breathe and they can see and they can hear outside externally you can in two days you can shape that okay if you've got a photo like rolex has experienced some things and they're already nervous you know and you have to undo and redo yeah you know it may take a couple of days um and i don't know basically when they already have like a previous experience this was also a question like that you still do the same thing but it just might take a bit longer exactly exactly and and not always you may get some folks that are fearful and they are really searching for that important thing yeah to be comfortable and if they can find a way to get that which is knowledge about connection about how you think about it how you feel about the situation the physical action you take determines how you feel and if you change their body language from this to this they're like oh hang on a minute you know instantly they look for that comfort so you can sometimes a nervous folk can switch yeah in a few moments it's a difference when a horse is like three five eight years old eight years of experience yeah exactly so i also have another question but i wanted to let everybody know that here we have a fall halter and you can win this smallholder and what you have to do you have to share on instagram that you're attending the live show tag us trt.method and we'll choose a winner tomorrow and we'll email um and we'll share it in the email tomorrow morning um there are some questions about if we're going to have it in the shop we don't have it yet no no that's right i guess we should add it yeah there are only actually two sizes in the trt halters and it's a mid-range that goes from until ponies and then the smaller fall from the false size to the pony size is also fitting that range yeah yeah right now in the shop you only have like for the big horses um but we'll add it but it will take a few weeks okay so he's asking for some a little session again i will try to give one more session on this part maybe if he's relaxed in the turning we can start a little bit on the legs of how how i go about it and how this training that we're doing now leads into that and if you want to do rants in between we can also do that yeah that's also a good idea we just see where it goes the conversation is totally dependent on this young man so again i'm going with him in the start and before i start to ask something i'm making our first contact halter halter rub with head rub over the ears if he wants to run away here he can go a step backwards if i if he's really pushing into the halter like this i can retreat away from him so we're not starting sort of the exercise with him going against the halter and me asking him to follow it and then i start with the rubbing we have our bend i have a little bit here now the halter and now i have a little pressure on the halter and now i release again go with him so i'm now joining my hand pressure with the halter pressure rubbing halter relax follow so not controlling them letting him feel like he's in control of himself hand rubbing halter hip so this is my first turn on the rain oh really nice go away maybe i make him feel good about it by going back to my rubbing just thinking all the time you're creating steps to be able to fall back on them you want to make relevance that when they do something good you go back to the thing that you've talked about in the conversation that made them feel good before again halter if i get resistance here my right hand comes up hip heindick iron deck very good and release again ah really nice see how he is what he thinks about it does he start swishing the tail getting a little shitty that's also okay it's part of the learning boy then i'm going to sneak up on this side rub a little here on the neck rub a little bending on the halter he's already taking the step i go away from him follow oh bending on the halter hand on the hip fine leg hind leg fine leg very good i just want to guide finish on a nice note very good take the energy down a little again so inviting him into this space of conversation have a little quiet moment so a reflective acknowledgement that we just did something it was high energy but we communicated in a way we both understood what was going on i understood that he understood what i was saying and then we're going to move the front leg so now i'm going to start to rub here a little halter and then i'm going to ask him to go to the side with the front leg open the halter rub and same as the hip rocking a little front leg goes to the side follow a little same on this side lead rub got the bending rock a little front leg really good same again lead rub behind across front legs oh so what's happening here is we're getting also this conversation with the feet so the movement of the feet the following of something the yielding from something front legs across oh really good and of course then the natural progression from there is if you get a turn that's a little bit away you move the front legs he starts to move a little bit away walk away in this direction you can then pick up and start to move your hip to redirect him so you can start to use your tools to that they become useful we're now going to continue the rubbing when i go to the so now we're joining the things together following yielding connection conversation with the feet i then bring the nose in the bending make my way down the feet so what i don't want is when i touch the foal's legs for the first time that the head goes away one eye away two eyes away he's thinking he wants to get away rubbing bending down the leg let him make contact with your head all the things that the farriers don't like but they don't realize that that's where the horses get most confident so rubbing the front rubbing the back and he enters into the space of conversation when you go to a sensitive part so just remember we've been on thick parts of the body a lot so far now we go to the thinner parts of the body which are more sensitive we don't want to take over the conversation so remember letting them be in the conversation means that they're a part of it they're not on the outer oh just having this when you go to a sensitive area makes all the difference in the mind you're not going to it but you enter into the space and he's coming to same with the hind leg i have good bending here back from the hawk front he's got contact with me here he starts to take the weight off so i just bend and i go away again boy i do a little bit on the other side so just feeling how it is on the feet he starts to take the weight i see an opportunity i just let him follow the leg and this first day is enough i don't have to have the legs and hold the legs even though on him we could probably do that now you see automatically what happens now he's already creating the bending himself i'm going to make one turn with the hip here because i don't want to be against the wall so when i go into this space this is what we were talking about in the beginning of shaping the character so we've taught him when we go to the legs he's now saying oh yeah what are we doing here i'm touching your leg see that feel that nice huh oh yeah i can see you're doing that doesn't seem that scary can i can i eat you while we do this so what we've shaped on one side goes immediately to the other side even though in the beginning he was more sensitive on the right again bending down the leg up to the hock in front of the leg he does the same again so i'm gonna lift the hook a little and let it go again you can see now the body language is starting to get a little like the in here is getting full so i just take it again down a notch yeah not yet we're going to let him have a little see if we can now just he's almost in la la land he needs sleeping so we're going to go with here the front leg and again just take the the hook forward and down again hulk sorry fat lock forward and down again it doesn't matter that he's not perfectly balanced you see he moves that up himself set lock forward and down again and when the fetlock can come forward you feel when i push the feet like he puts weight on the right so he's understanding then i can bend it and i can put it down again so always try to make an order of movement in them first finding out that you can touch where you're going to touch that they're part of that conversation not that you're going down there and he's like oh where's he going now where is he if he's part of that with you going there with you it's a lot more relaxing of course for them and then feeling the first joint that has to bend the fetlock and that you feel that he starts to put the weight on the other one when he puts the weight on the other one then you can retreat a little bit until that starts to come up when that comes up a few times like this he's putting the weight sufficiently that the leg comes up then you know you can bend it and when you can bend it here you can start to be able to take it there so we're going to let him switch off now i'm going to come here because i also want to again finish on a good note oh rub halter off boy and then we've had already a nice first little session so con any uh q a's well i was thinking maybe you can uh answer the question what you do on a full bite and then i can go get rents in the meantime then i'll go to the camera yeah explain a bit the story from us yeah because we can't show the people anymore um so what you so tell me what's your idea with writtens maybe you can i will oh god first of all i knew it i knew something was going to come i knew it you just thought this right no no but i we're about to handle another fall and you look like you're going to lead him into the arena is that something you normally do or yeah yes i can do that with you okay okay yeah it's good okay but then yeah i'm just checking okay no no no no no because i also lead them to the field and okay yeah no that's that's good okay good okay yeah can i go yeah and i'm asking answering a question of what they do when they bite yeah okay and shall i check quickly for more questions or yeah good idea so the biting okay with the fall like rolex from the beginning when i walked in he was standing and facing the wall and he was looking kind of anywhere but where we were coming in we were behind him and so you get a sense from the beginning that he's a fall that needs a little bit of draw he's he was even though as we progressed he's really seems like he's not afraid of anything and he really is confident and comfortable you have to feel from the fall how it is and then you have to decide how you're going to teach them to enter that space of conversation if you have a fall that you come you go to the door and he's already at the door he's looking past you or you go into the field and he walks up to you so much that you feel like you have to take a step back then you should have already made some body language when he is starting to enter into the space of conversation you want to teach him what kind of energy is in that space of conversation so the moment that we have here now is he was maybe thinking of coming and having a little nibble again but you as he's approaching that space you let him know a little click a little rub a little movement little progression of self that you project yourself energy into that space so that the fall is then approaching and then thinking oh thinking hang on a minute okay re read this energy in this space and then how they approach is then of course different and maybe you have to do that a few times if you feel you've got a fold that's really confident pushing in because if the foal is pushing in then the body language is going to say when i'm there i want to really take over this conversation i want to be saying everything and dictating what's happening so to change that it's in the preparation of that how he enters into the space of conversation is going to determine what he says in that space of conversation and then you're also going to be able to repeat that so if he approaches in the field or in this situation and you see him walking up and you're thinking oh i feel like i feel like i want to lean back then project some more energy into the space and then you can repeat that so when he starts to maybe come into you and you feel you're leaning away then maybe you can repeat that and he starts to think again just like he did when he was approaching that space he thought oh hang on i reassess this you want that same thing to go through his mind a little bit and that's only about the body language in the space if he's pushing up leaning on that energy goes here and when you get this oh that of course changes you quite often see that with people feeling that it's really nice that they've spent a lot of time with the fall and not realizing what the conversation's been about they think oh he's so good he's so confident he's not afraid we can pet him we can put a halter on him he can push us out the way he can dominate the conversation he comes in and he bowls up to the gate every day and he's pushing us five steps backwards and he's thinking i'm just telling them what to think and going to decide what they're going to say we're not aware of that because we're happy that the fall we've got is confident we can put a halt on we can lead him and he's confident he's walking and he's doing whatever but in the end you end up with a spoiled brat that's again shaping the character shaking shaping a likable character it's about teaching them as young horses just as young adults how to enter a space a room what a manners how to be polite how to feel yourself within yourself and how to feel yourself within a space so that education in the beginning is going to determine the habits and things that might creep in a little bit later so connie you're in the arena with a little the next superstar i alive am i alive that's it okay guys so this is rent and um he's been a little bit longer at my stable he's six months old and he's already done the first session with tristan in the stable similar to what tristan has done with rolex i also bought ren's at the same fall auction he's by the way dutch warmblood lord romantic by apoche rolex is by the way fountain by governor in case you're wondering and um yeah so i guess he's a a really nice fall but yeah i haven't done a lot with like the leading in the ground work but um yeah he does know a bit more the basics so tristan we'll see how that goes i managed to get here yeah yeah i didn't get any of your story but i can see that it's uh yeah he's standing quite nicely yeah so of course you did like the first session a while ago in this table but yeah and you've you've carried on from that first haltering and yeah yeah a little yeah it looks good by the way like with the character of rolex how do you think he is and also which means like what type of we get to know rent a little bit more now but of course rolex is that genuine sweet he's sensitive inquisitive but in a gentle way yeah so he wants to learn and he and he's uh he has a lot of sense of himself yeah so that's maybe in the beginning created by him being a little bit scared in the beginning uh he maybe had some situations where yeah there was some energy in the space where he got a little bit nervous from it yeah which a lot of people can say oh it's normal yeah and yeah you also get breeders either go and say hey look at my fall and the next album he's a beauty isn't he yeah and the fall's like holy the world is scary yeah i think that might have been the first experience also at this table when they were here for the filming day yeah because yeah a lot of noise and yeah clappers and they have to present themselves like yeah moving back and then it's of course a process of coping yeah yeah of course you know and and learning to cope those two words alone should never be in the same sentence because of course coping is a forced conditioning you're in a situation you react with what you know and learning isn't opening up he really wants to be with you tristan i'm just was waiting just to see how the conversation was going [Laughter] so now we see which is nice because we see the opposite here yeah so so many flies in your arena so i don't know where those flies came from he's quite well behaved yeah so you see from the beginning this entering into this space of conversation so now when i start to attract the attention i want him to start to think about that so now we take a step of oh how do i enter oh politely this is the way you enter where we meet we make contact and we do it in a a gentle fashion so i just match the energy in the conversation that he says oh you're speaking i'll just wait here a little so when we invite him into that conversation now we have his attention again this is what i want from him because what i felt in the beginning was a hey uh what are we doing here it's like it's learning time this is the conversation we're going to be having so creating shaping that likable character it's nice that he's confident wants to be with you he's not afraid of something but it's also not nice if he's three years down the track and he's doing that so those things are important so this uh focus bit that he's ah learning where is he not here i am so that where is he bit first oh there he is i see you i see you you're in that space shall we step into this space of conversation reach in good boy this is how we meet this is how we shake hands in a polite fashion and then we just start to so with wrens i was more sorry with rolex i was more this and with him this is not what we need to do we need to be able to make contact look he's [Laughter] they are real wild faults these are not ones we've prepared earlier obviously the contact in the beginning and then of course we're starting from a different point so he's understanding something about leading so i can just test how that is first with the contact again and then starting just to move the hip if he already had a little resistance on the halter i would introduce this he's obviously okay with touch and i would be introducing the rub contact follow aid hip and then i'm from this age already looking for the connection you see the order and where he moves here right front towards me left front sometimes gets in the ground and look at the legs look where they're going all over and we're looking for the step where the diagonal pairs match a little bit there a little drunkness there and then with him i'm not going to be doing a oh retreating away i'm going to be doing oh did you feel that he's like yeah thinking about the focus part we go into the other side again little movements there for the attention the focus go into the space good boy little bending he's following the halter nice so i don't need to make this yep and this is really where you just feel how it is because you see the step that he takes so feeling oh the connection in each body the connection between your hand and the legs there's a step with the two together oh then we can start to enter the conversation from different angles front front legs you see the step forward here so i just guide him by being in the space a little bit more behind behind across this step i go away it's this space so not when i stop he walks into that space and i'm walking backwards the conversation has to be in that we also see each other in the beginning and when we start to walk he's also going to walk there just like we teach the older horses in the trt method because of course we all learn to lead from here in the beginning so focus again front leg open the rain rock a little bit on the neck here he goes a little forward so i quit and i make energy in the space behind across this step energy in the space there's a forward step but i retreat and then behind across so sometimes you might be thinking why is he retreating when he's going forward but because that's not what you want but it's because then when he goes forward i'm going to enter into a collision there's going to be resistance conflict in the conversation he didn't understand it so i go back and i go okay i re-explain the question that you are more aware of that no it's with all false because if he runs into the resistance then i'm teaching him to go against something and i want him to think about continue to think about what we're looking for you see the little bit the drunkness here here you have to be careful a lot of people say ah but they're false they're born knowing how to walk and yes of course they can go to get the grass they can walk to follow mum oh but to move in the coordinated fashion where they're really connected that part they have to learn but if they learn this from the beginning oh we have a different yielding we have a different two-year-old we have a different three-year-old yeah lifting front legs so then we see a little bit the patience bit i also let them be in this space sometimes feel a little bit what frustration is don't control the behavior observe it and redirect it create something interesting create a little focus and then let them feel the difference so hind legs again good good this step and these little steps two or three sessions you can see already now the difference between the first steps connection he has to feel this this and not just turning them thinking not just spinning them around feeling a connection stay here when he's losing the forward there's a step and relax again and then also just paying attention to where they are in their attention span level of understanding is it challenging is there some frustration that comes into it oh and it's not that you have to think okay they get a little lack of little patience he's being out in the arena it's probably dinner time he thought he was coming out maybe just for a walk around oh now we're doing something he's also the character that's going to tell you how it is he's not shy and inquisitive he knows what he likes to feel a little bit so he's going to say it so if he does get a little faster it doesn't mean we think oh he's getting frustrated we have to stop oh he has to also learn that bit we don't have to go for an hour front legs really good step front legs the other side there oh so also matching his level of energy in the conversation you have a fall like this and you start to be like we were with rolex you're gonna have a real problem just let him feel again here there oh now i change it up i go into a little rubbing so also to take maybe sometimes a little the frustration out try to find a spot that it becomes also a little bit rewarding to those that have a bit of a character and uh looking to see what is in this for me we have to sometimes show them that then i can also come a little bit down that he starts to understand it's learning and there might be some difficult things there might be some things we ask that goes against what you might feel you want to do but it will also be nice things so the turning of the hind leg is getting our forward step with the connection and that's leading us into this going here if i get a stop on the falls i'm just going back to this step feeling the connection in the feed if you get one that's pulling against the rope if you get two three steps invite them into the head rub drawing them forwards behind leg again and go out again and you can start to go somewhere and i only just try to feel the weight in the rope and the fall like this i tend to already try to build some challenges if we have maybe some tools to give him something to think about so this is the importance of having them in your right hand that if he goes to run forwards quickly you can turn here and be able to get the redirection of the hind leg again speedy so when they start to walk like this then i already begin to let them walk between something around something over something so then i might put something here yeah that's also good and i start to walk maybe pass something both ways very good so thinking of a challenging mind little impatience little frustration don't think to control them think to redirect them redirect the mind into something else some of them need more interaction they need things to stimulate the mind so we can already start here on our approach and again we're just starting that session with wherever the fall is at we have a little bit of understanding now of the feet the connection that he knows to lead a little we start introducing some objects now you see he's made more focus follow let's walk around something good always to get them going again think about opening up the front legs or getting the connection of the diagonal pairs with the hind legs so again every step that you take is going to allow you to go back it's going to be then a useful tool when you want to be able to go back if you have some difficulties this is already really good and then i take him a little bit away again we have some quiet time a little rub again he's really interested then we can go between some objects oh very good so controlling the front legs left front to the left and for some it might be nice just that they want to stop and make contact and touch and for others like ren's here we need to be able to keep going good boy very good one more time the other way try to have a little pause focus here quiet moment he maybe doesn't allow for much of one but we try to allow him to have them still again going between two things on the ground so again here i'm going to be thinking about shaping the likable character this is nice and it's positive but i also don't want him to be drawing over there and deciding he's going to stamp all over my umbrella he has to know the interaction with the objects and things the same as the interaction with me oh good boy good front legs so getting him to tease to lead between something around something by leading the feet letting him follow his feet not pulling them boy oh [Music] so then when we start to be able to navigate a little bit between something over something around something we will then come across of course all those little challenges little bit stickiness in the feet we start to see the coordination in the feet and in the legs a little approach towards something same way as we would have done with our hands it's also possible if necessary to be able to do that also with the hands then we make contact work down the body we try to have a little scratching session again feeling the feet just feeling over the body letting him feel the plastic and then a little moving same on the other side and again just feeling how each fall is you some false you're not going to be able to go directly to the legs but you're just feeling on that fold what they're able to manage and the confidence level and how they're entering into that space of conversation and of course all the steps you've taken before is leading you into being confident in these steps we can have another little tool so again just the same as rolex moving away and seeing where the curiosity goes i just take the flag on the stick connie then we can actually the flag in the plastic sorry so retreating and seeing where the attention is does he want to continue is he starting to feel like oh i've learned a lot now we've done quite some things you notice now how he's the contact is our first contact was starting to bite connie and thinking about wrestling me and now and so the inpatient bit is sometimes then the mind being active he is thinking we came in here for a walk and now we've got to do this and [Music] the thinking thinking thinking and then the frustration gets going so if he's active in the mind give him something to think about so we're going to then same as the bag we're going to go towards our hand rubbing we have a good trt flag here so i'm lowering my energy now because he's also lowered his energy a little bit so because of the connection in the feet and the turn we taught him if he gets a little bit that he wants to be away here i show him already the self-management this is the control bit where he learns to connect in the feet he's not getting his head up running away he turns through his body he gets to a focus position again and then we can start again if he starts to go hind leg focus rub again so this is now you can hear probably on the mic this makes a bit more of a noise so again the turning and each tool will be different each time you expose them to something different you're going to have now another element we had touch with the stick and now we have a little bit touch but also sound so now we get a little rustling so with the tool now i'm just going to redirect the hind leg so i connect what i've shown shown him with my hand and i do the same then with the flag if he's not moving i don't ask him to move he starts to move i'm going to move him from the flag this was nice again i retreat see where he's at and then again think about your body language your energy giving him a nice experience following that energy if he's busy you need to maybe match him with that busyness but when he starts to come down that you're also coming down this is very good we go away again use the tool make the connective step so every time he's also walking away it gives you another opportunity just to practice those little things now we can work towards teaching him to have his first blanket on again if he moves back into this shape very nice step i also take let him take note of that so he feels that there's a little chew and a lick good boy because he's started out a little bit busy sometimes in the first groundwork patterns he's maybe not all the time focusing on what that felt like but there'll always be other opportunities so you have to be aware of those opportunities and that you can also start to reinforce something you might have taught him earlier so introduction to be able to put a blanket on him later you know not waiting to the three he's already learning it now this is something lighter of course feels nice you know and it doesn't have to be big and impressive a big blue top and cover his whole head and do something super impressive just have an interaction teach them really something that is going to be valuable to them so now we have already a different character than the beginning so he's went through the frustration stage so i was just about to say he was the character's changed and we want to start to think about finishing on a good note this is a really different feeling i have from him now so we start to get a little fella that's really polite the first connections of the feet finding balance no leading them and then being balanced and following a rope is two different very different things and introducing just those first steps of connection within the next day he will already move different feel different and then if you practice it a few days in a row you already have a totally different you're not having to hold them and lead them by the chin to the field in case they fall over you know you leave them they walk behind they're balanced if you turn they turn they know shape they know connection between the feet and then you can really give them the information they need for the perfect start this is enough for him connie he's made a really nice session and he's really feeling quiet and relaxed now i just want to see when i give i go to you and i give you the rope and then i just want to see how he looks at you because i have a feeling already as we've seen in a lot of other trt events that we look at the dynamic there's already a little uh mum thing going on yeah with him yeah well to be honest i'm happy to hear this moment but see what's happening here already yeah so he's like now moving like more into my space yeah but what did it make you feel comfortable yeah come to me but what did you do yeah yeah so he's he was that's what i say when i give you the rope what's happening in that conversation exactly because he's now already beginning to and then you took the first step back that's like inviting yeah yeah yeah i'm i need your help but also as well yeah but also you can you don't have to make him even walk backwards just turn and walk away and then re-introduce that so turn walk away we don't want to do too much with him now but i just want you to have the feeling of it now turn and stop and look and then no no no no don't think he's not an old horse he doesn't know rainbow oh yeah of course so you have to think in the beginning just that you can just walk again turn and look at the space and own bit so and stop and look at him yeah and just that oh yeah that you're like i'm i'm here in the space yeah like this yeah yeah just that he's like oh he re he thinks differently he reassesses what's happening there yeah and he doesn't know the yeah that's too much he doesn't know backing up yet yeah so you have to speak in the beginning with a dialogue so you haven't changed much but you're now not thinking of walking backwards yeah that's already one yeah and two you've already made a different energy in the space and and then he's more relaxed yeah and he's he's politely entering the space instead of feeling that your mummy's going to let wants to hug me and i can get in here and rule that you know but they're so sweet when he's big look how big he is already when he's three he's not gonna be sweet he's gonna be jumping on you yeah that's true okay good boy it's a good start yeah can i um um yeah i have the questions on my tablet oh over there well maybe i can read the questions and i can answer them and you can answer them yeah or you can put that young man away yeah because he's he doesn't need to stand here no it's not a good idea this is perfect now this is perfect like this okay guys we're gonna they're all in dutch [Laughter] joking there's a few questions here some in english how about foals that are confident and high energy that try rearing and bucking with you as as well as on their their damn the mayor if their energy is already high they won't respond as well to you putting your your high energy so don't think of this as um as overpowering they have high energy you have to have more high energy really think about this as this space of conversation so the way they think about this space is the way they're going to enter this space so if they're entering this space and you are here the mayor is there and the fall sees you he's already jumping all over mum and he's used to doing that and he sees you walk into the space and you are thinking oh i want to get close to him and start to catch him this way of entering the conversation is already that he is going to run into that space he's going to be dominating that space so a horse that's like that the first step is not to think about how do i catch him how do i handle him no how do i teach him the manners of how to approach me what is the approach how is he going to enter into a place in which we can make contact we can create a connection that connection has to be in a polite manner so if your fall was so wild that when you walk in he's on the hind legs coming towards you then you need to go in with a little ammunition you need to go in with the bag and the stick and make like a crazy person that the fault says hang on a minute what kind of drugs has my owner been taking and that they think for a moment about that and when you change the way they approach you approach the situation you've changed the physiology because you've then changed their thoughts and then you can begin to progress in that conversation about how you move around and how that fall is starting to follow you because when they first think about how they're going to make that connection they're no longer just doing bucking rearing high energy they are thinking how am i entering that when you start to move around them they start to think how am i going to move around this person they're no longer just consumed by their high-energy bucking rearing bolting so it starts from that connection how they're making that connection and of course a horse that's more nervous you are doing the opposite you're drawing the horse into you when you get a slight bit of attracting their attention to the space of conversation you are stepping a little bit out of it drawing them into it the opposite for a horse that has a lot of drawings running into you i don't know which question you did um but i do think this one is interesting would you start in the same way with a youngster of three and a half years uh who came comes fresh from the pastures and hasn't been handled before or do you do it in the same way as we show in online training with starting young horses um it's of course dependent on how wild you know if you have a horse that's coming from the past has never had a halter or never seen people again you're reading that connection part the awareness of self before training self they have to be aware of themselves how they're entering this space of conversation what they think about the interaction with you and and i'm terrible at roping horses so if i'm going to start that most australians are we can crack a whip but we can't throw the rope from our roof onto the ground well for me anyway and so if you uh i have to catch them they have to learn to enter that conversation to make contact too and then i am doing a little bit the similar things as i do with the foals but of course you already have a grown-up mature horse so he can already be more balanced and able to turn okay maybe not with the connection that we want to build to create this supreme being but you know a fall you have to be gentle because they are young just on the legs you know if you turn them quick or you move quick too quick they they can fall they also have short amounts of energy short amounts of focus so as they get older they have more endurance you know so they they are able and they need to then just like we saw with these the difference between these two he's already behaving like he's older more experienced got to a frustration level and he's more physically able so if you treat that the same yeah you know no he's able to focus longer he's physically stronger so he needs to actually go a little bit longer to feel the sensation of the experience of the exercise that we're actually doing something we're learning something i did have the feeling with rolex that he was better at making the shape yeah he was more yeah and it's also probably because he is thinking about his body more and he's become a bit lighter more sensitive from you know and he's taking care of himself more he doesn't like to be touched oh right and now you're more aware of his fancy pants turn what you have less awareness then let's see let's see maybe you want to pick um [Music] it was also a question oh yeah how do you turn this when you have a folded group do you just do it in the field in between the other so do you take them separately i normally try to take them separately if i was going to a stud either here or specifically in australia with the thoroughbreds then i would generally have like a big pen and then a smaller round pen or something next to it and i would um then take the mother the mare and fall out if if the mayor had been handled i would use the mayor to first be able to get the fall to thinking about following also the connection with the mother that that same connection i can start to get onto me if i have a mare that is not handled if i have the time i try to handle the mayor a bit first because i don't want also that conflict that the mayor is then feeling that i'm a threat and then we are having a battle and i'm trying to focus on the fault or i've if i've been sometimes in a stable situation i've taken the fall out but have the bars in between that mother is right there oh yeah so and that's generally not two days old that's you know when you're a little bit older and you've maybe done a little bit of handling but i try to separate it in the group because you're having a conversation and you want that to be developed into an intimate conversation and with the mayor there quite often i have the experience that the mayor gets a little break it's like the uh parents coming and taking the child for a while yeah so they the mayor kind of was like oh good just take him for a bit or let me have a rest or they like or take notice of the interaction the development those sorts of things but yet taking them out of the group means you're getting into that um personalized conversation that intimate conversation and you don't want other brats coming in yeah you know and saying hey what are you doing now it's like hey we're trying you know it's like so the taking away is working our best imagine working yeah exactly you just ruined the party immediately um how do you teach your fault to be a bit more confident overall or is it just a character it's purely in the development you have seen the difference between rolex when you first picked him up and how he is now yeah so it's you of course from birth going to get different types but it just depends honestly on the time you spend and how present you are in the moment of training and what you're looking to get out of it is going to shape and change the development of your false character yeah if you're only looking to get out of it that you need to get a halter on and need to get things done then you're maybe not going to create a character that is really seeking connection yeah and you can feel that the gentleness of the foal and the honesty and the purity of it because you are giving the time to that you are making awareness of we're having this conversation we have our sessions together our moments i'm allowing the conversation to flow if you're only going in and getting something done you're cutting off a level of development so of course we're all in it for a different reason we have a different goal different outcomes but it is at the end it's it comes down to us yeah definitely [Music] oh i'm going to get my fall on the trailer for the first time next week without the mother how am i going to approach this and the question in itself is already quite interesting so it's yeah i mean it's always a difficult uh situation um generally if i'm in that situation where you know you have to uh do the because what you've got actually here is two things you've got a weaning and a handling at the same time and then the third thing is the trailer loading and there's all those things that are in between generally if i we are taking the falls to the field and to be weaned they're going together with another foal and then yeah different in australia of course but here when we're doing them in europe they were going in a group either on the field or in the stable and so we take the fall with the mother on the trailer the mother goes there the foal goes in a stable alone next to the mother they get a little relaxed the mother goes away the mother says ah thank god that little bug is gone or most of the time if it's a fall that they've had for a longer period i've also had it like when it falls like also last year they came with the mother was much better so now i had to pick him up and was with rolex he was afraid when i entered this table he wasn't used to being led i was like oh my god i said can't be get the mother and no no no it wasn't it wasn't really nice nice experience if i hear that of course not all situations are ideal we can't have everything as an ideal situation the ideal thing is to have the foal borne at home the ideal thing is to have a situation where you can train for long enough that the horse understands the situation they're going in but of course the best way is not to in most cases put the mare and fall in and take the mare away the best case is to try to spend a little bit of time and give a little bit of security and let the fall come onto the trailer itself and be in a safe situation where you can have a trailer that you're you know tying them up when they don't know how to lead they don't know it's not a good idea you know you want to be creating a safe environment where they are able to walk freely so open straw and shavings in those sorts of things and that you're aware of that when you're driving so that you're understanding the balance when they're walking and then you know if people are abusing you you're driving at the right speed and then realizing when you come off at the other end that you have to then first deal with that you know be aware that that was an experience of multiple things happening at once and so the best way to go about it is don't think of the goal if you have to drive there and the situation goes in a way that it doesn't happen that day better to go back another day yeah you know or you know if you can't catch do do a little bit the handling try to follow the steps we've done today that you can you know or or if they've done a little bit of training that you can get the halter on and that you can you know make an approach you can you know think okay we're how are we going how is this progressing is it smart yeah did it take five hours you know steady taking your time 45 minutes is a long time if you think of the sessions with the fall most of the time you know if you are walking in a way and you have some support and you take your time you're not forcing in you're waiting to the four relaxers encouraging them to take a step you can coach them on most of them will be quite willing and then just be aware of it you know i was in lucky that he really liked no but it's i of course have been in many situations in that moment where you get called to be that guy and you just have to play it with compassion and realize what you're putting them through and then that often allows them to trust enough from that feeling yeah not that you think ah but i have to get him on because i'm here to pick him up and you're gonna ruin any chance that you've got so being you know having that state of mind and being compassionate realizing understanding the situation they're in that they're leaving mum that they're going on a trailer it's all these scary things letting them feel you understand take the time to do it and then giving them the time when they arrive that they're not thrown in the field and then you know yeah spending the time giving the time is going to give it back to you in the end okay last question how do you deal with kicking falls so it's a little bit the same as the uh the connective part in the beginning you know this creating the connection them how they're approaching how you walk around them that they are first giving you the focus of their eyes quite often if you have falls that are kicking it's because they've been approached and they've been forced to do this and then maybe they've been then continued to be followed and then they are learning this so it's very important to get the focus of the eyes they're on you you're getting the draw a horse that is kicking is you know a fall that is kicking is genuinely not a fall that's coming into you and turning and doing this if it is we're doing this part he's like oh hang on a minute i was thinking about kicking you in the kneecap but i've just been made aware of this space so it's that energy thing it's the eyes thing and then it's the handling when you start to make contact rubbing getting the bending the flexing is this is a nurturing position you know they're not feeling like head away putting a halter on trying to get it on head goes away and then uh he's still after me boom you're getting this part so the nurturing bit if you find a horse fall that's super sensitive then going for the stick in the beginning you have legs distance eyes extension of your arm you get to touch there doesn't matter if they kick the stick a few times but always thinking when the horse is when a fall does do that that you're drawing the head and coming towards the hind leg and when you're getting the focus of the eyes and then wanting to create connection you have a different thought pattern yeah the doors again comes down to that very first part and i want to have a conversation with you in a polite way yeah yeah and that's basically the start of not only the falls yeah absolutely um justin thank you so much great pleasure it was very interesting to watch i'm definitely going to practice i'm allowed to practice now because yeah yeah he doesn't absolutely and do we have a winner for our well good question because tomorrow we'll announce the winner of the robot for falls in the email and also for all your non-members we also have a very interesting offer coming up but we'll tell you more about it in the email tomorrow so thanks everybody for joining for sending in questions and hope to see you next time bye-bye have a nice evening thanks guys see you next time

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