Trope Talk: Greatest Fears

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What a great episode! And I totally agree with Red, characters making fun of other characters for their fears? Not cool, and not all that funny. It just makes them look insensitive.

What I find is that in the real world, if a supernatural being could show you something about yourself, like your deepest fear, something that personal that you may not even know it yourself - it would be a huge, transformative event. Probably quite traumatic.

But in the realm of fiction, it's often used as a villain-of-the-week type deal rather than something which, more realistically, would colour the rest of that character's trajectory.

👍︎︎ 13 👤︎︎ u/SeasOfBlood 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies

Superman's "World of Cardboard" speech for those who haven't seen it (or those like me who had to see it again after this video).

👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/mateogg 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies

One of my favorite "subversions" of this trope is where the evil nightmare villain tries to scare one of the more experienced protagonists by diving deep into their mind, only to become to victim of fear when they see exactly how terrifying said protagonist is on some deep level.

I think the only time I really remember this is from Ben 10 when facing the scary clown Zombozo. Zombozo exposed them to fear, but in the end Ben turned into Ghostfreak, a terrifying phantom alien. Ghostfreak simply said "Wanna see something REALLY scary?" We only see the back of Ghost freak as he apparently opens his skin like a coat and a mess of tentacles stretch out. Zombozo then pops like a balloon.

👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/Jake4XIII 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies

Now that I'm down the rabbit hole, I'm going to rewatch Robots and Time Travel :D

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/ShaggyFOEE 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies

OSP meets Magnus Archives? Oooh... Now i want to see Red and Blue inserted into the MA canon and see how they would handle the things that happen. Also, pls no spoilers, i'm only up to the end of S3...

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/Holyrapid 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies

This made me think about when Slade was "haunting" Robin in that one teen titans episode. My favorite episode out of that entire series.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/VoganG1 📅︎︎ Dec 11 2020 🗫︎ replies
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There's a concept in media called the stock  episode, which is basically an episode of a series   where the whole premise is based on a highly  specific recurring trope. For instance, many   series have the die hard episode, where the hero's  base is compromised by bad guys and they have to   sneak through the vents. Or the egg baby episode,  where a character has to take care of an egg or a   flour sack like it's a baby - or the color-coded  copies episode where one character is split into   two or more versions of themself, sometimes  but not always with different personalities.   These stock episodes are usually hilariously  specific, and are often full-episode parodies   or homages to other popular media - like the die  hard episode, the gremlins parody episode where   a cute pet turns into a monster when you void  the warranty, the fantastic voyage episode, etc.  Now like all tropes, stock episodes run the risk  of becoming boring with overexposure. But stock   episodes can also provide a fun opportunity for  characterization - if the audience is already   familiar with the scenario, it can still be  fun to see characters we like react to it and   play it out. The immense popularity of alternate  universe fanfic demonstrates that pretty handily;   if we already like the cast, we're gonna  like seeing them play out a familiar plot,   and it almost doesn't matter what that plot  IS. Some stock episodes also let the characters   show off a little by putting them in scenarios  they generally don't deal with - for instance,   it's a pretty common stock episode for one  of the characters to get sick and need help,   and we get to see how the rest of the cast  handle that, which can be fun and heartwarming.   Or there's the stock episode where some of the  cast ends up stuck in an enclosed space, like a   cave-in or a broken elevator, and we see how they  deal with that kind of stress and ticking clock.  Now there's one kind of stock episode that really  leans into that potential, and it's the greatest   fear episode. In this stock episode, our heroes  are forced to confront their greatest fears,   usually by way of some kind of psychic attack or  manifest nightmare. The greatest fear episode is a   one-two punch of character development - first it  tells us what the character fears most, which is a   juicy bit of characterization; and then it shows  them confront it, which is a cool badass thing   for them to do. It also makes an easy halloween  episode if you're running low on ideas. *cough*  Now the greatest fear episode  has two key components. One:   it shows at least one of our heroes' greatest  fears. And two: it shows them overcome it.   These episodes are frequently named something  like "Nothing To Fear" or "Fear Itself",   and the name is pretty on-the-nose - the moral  of this episode is always that fear is just a   passing thing and the hero can overcome or work  through it. This plot has a lot going for it,   but its number one benefit is it reveals  an otherwise hidden core element of the   character. People tend to mostly define characters  by their core motivation, which is basically what   the character moves towards over the course of the  story. But it's equally effective characterization   to show us what they're running away from. Their  character motivation is a positive drive that   gives us an insight into their priorities and  goals, but if you show us what repels them,   it accomplishes the same thing in reverse. A  character might be motivated by vengeance and   grit, but if their greatest fear is something  like losing their new found family, that gives   us an insight that deepens their character in  a surprisingly heartwarming way. Their stated   motivation is revenge, but the thing they'll  fight hardest to stop is losing their loved ones.   Or maybe the sweet, happy-go-lucky character  has a really dark and scarring greatest fear,   showing us that there's some very unhappy hidden  depths under the friendly façade - they move   towards happiness and fun, but they're running  from something very unpleasant. This can also   add depth to characters who maybe have kind  of vague motivations, like superheroes who   generally fight for generic good ends without much  in the way of personal motivation. But that hero   might fear losing control of their abilities and  destroying everything they've tried to protect,   or having the last of their humanity stripped  away and becoming something cold and alien - or   even just fear itself if they're afraid of losing  emotional control. These fears are both concerning   and very personal. A generic motivation can be  counterbalanced by this kind of personal fear.  And more than just a motivation, fear itself is  a very useful concept to explore. Fear is primal,   overwhelming, and very difficult to resist.  Fearlessness is seen as an admirable trait,   but most people agree that a healthy degree  of fear is useful to avoid becoming reckless.   Some people are ashamed of fear, and try to deny  being afraid, and the greatest fear episode often   ends up confronting that head-on - a character  needs to acknowledge their own fear in order to   overcome it. But some stories aren’t so kind.  Sometimes, instead of the person overcoming the   fear, the fear wins instead. This is popular in  horror stories like today’s sponsor, The Magnus   Archives! In this kind of horror, fear isn’t just  an emotion - it’s a powerful malevolent force that   you feed by fearing it, and the things it can  do when it’s strengthened are, appropriately,   terrifying. But more on that later - for now  let’s stick to more light-hearted greatest fears! Now while I think the greatest fear reveal can  be great for character development, it doesn't   always get used that way. Sometimes the greatest  fear reveal just reinforces already-established   motivations - like if the hero wants to stop the  bad guy's evil plan, their greatest fear might be   failing to do that and seeing the villain wreak  havoc instead. Or the hero trying to save the   world has the greatest fear that they can't.  This is just kind of a reiteration of their   original motivation, but more glass half-empty.  "I want to accomplish Goal A, and my greatest   fear is that I won't be able to accomplish Goal  A." That's fine, but not all that revelatory.  And sometimes the greatest fear reveal is…  played more like a joke. This is more common with   characters whose greatest fears are, like, normal  phobias. One of our heroes is wrestling with the   existential terror that they'll never be strong  enough to protect their loved ones, and meanwhile   the other one is… scared of clowns. It's just  kinda weak. Doesn't give us character insight, it   just makes them seem silly. And sometimes that's  the point - it's not uncommon for the big, strong   character to turn out to be afraid of ghosts or  bugs or something, which is like, ha ha, not so   tough NOW, huh? But it doesn't quite hit that same  emotional depth as a really good greatest fear.  Every character has a nucleus of core character  traits. Like if you have to do an elevator pitch   to explain them in three sentences or less,  these are the things you include first. Let's   do a quick example - "Superman is a paragon hero  who believes in upholding truth and justice using   his godlike power as responsibly as he can.  He's considered an ideal of heroism and hope,   and in most versions he doesn't kill because on  some level he worries that crossing that line will   make it too easy for him to start crossing every  line. Despite his godlike power making it kind   of unnecessary for him to maintain his Clark Kent  secret identity, Superman's humanity is extremely   important to him, because there are too many ways  he could lose it." This is one way to quickly   summarize some key elements of Superman's  character. We've got a base personality,   a general motivation, a role he plays in his story  and world, a few principles he holds himself to,   etcetera. These are foundational character  qualities. Character dynamics, later developments,   episodic motivations, surface-level personality  traits - those are just icing. This is real   base the character's built on. And the greatest  fear is a base trait that often goes overlooked.  Now while I've suggested the greatest fear is kind  of an equal and opposite to the character's stated   motivation, that's actually not entirely true. The  greatest fear's equal and opposite is the heart's   desire. It's what the character wants more than  anything regardless of realism or attainability,   and, rather like the greatest fear, the  character might not even know what it is.   Most characters don't really introspect that much,  and they can often end up blindsided by their own   greatest fear or desire. The character whose  motivation is to save the world over and over   again might actually want a quiet, domestic life  with their loved ones. The character seeking dark,   self-destructive vengeance just wants to be  reunited with the people they lost. Etc etc. While   a character is aware of their own motivation,  these are aspects of their character they might   not even know about. And that brings us to another  strength of this trope - introspection inducement.  See, most people don't really…… know themselves  very well. Sure, they have an ego and a   self-image, but it's naturally very biased by how  they WANT to see themselves and how they've been   TAUGHT to see themselves, because that's… just  how people work. And anyone else's image of this   person is also gonna be biased by that observer's  individual worldview and relationship to them.   There's really no such thing as an objective image  of anyone's character. The way someone describes   themself can sound pretty unfamiliar to anyone who  knows that person, because their respective images   are biased in different ways and thus don't line  up. And what the person thinks their priorities   or noteworthy traits are don't always line up with  what they actually are. Some of the kindest, most   compassionate people I know think they're absolute  messes who are constantly hurting people, and I've   known some real jerks who think of themselves  as the second coming of christ. There's always a   disparity, and it takes a lot of introspection to  really get any sort of feel for how you work and   what your fundamental priorities are, rather  than who you think you're supposed to be.  But you know what'd make that introspection  easier? If some dreamweaving nightmare-beast   manifested in your house and dumped you  into a hallucination that flat-out told   you what your actual greatest fear was.  You thought you were scared of being weak,   but you were ACTUALLY terrified of losing  your friends! Surprise! This is the kind   of thing that forces a character to introspect. See, characters differ from real people in one   key way - they're a lot less complicated, and  the audience generally has a pretty clear view   of who they actually are. Now, just like with  real people, everyone's interpretation of the   character is going to be biased in its own unique  way, and sometimes you might look at someone's   fanfic version or lengthy thinkpiece and wonder  if you even watched the same show because the   character they saw and the character you saw seem  to have nothing in common - but all that aside,   a character's core nature is usually pretty  obvious. While real people can be nearly   infintely complex, a fictional character is  usually built from a small handful of simple,   obvious traits. This one is a stoic vigilante with  a dark past and a strong personal honor code. This   one is a warrior with a self-destructive hero  complex who needs to find her self-worth. This   one is a total narcissist who pits people against  each other to manipulate them. And because it's   easy for an audience to get a read on these  characters, it's also easy for us to see when   they're in denial about themselves. The annoying  lancer character who acts like they're the hero;   the well-meaning protagonist who's using  the "greater good" as a justification to   self-destructively spiral; the villain  who is convinced they're the good guy.   We want these characters to introspect  so they can actually get a clue and stop   self-destructing - or just get some  commupence, which can be fun too.  So this is one of many tropes that involves  a character confronting a part of themselves   they might not like - or even know about.  This is great for character development - it   shows the audience a side of this character  they might not have seen, and it also shows   the character that side of themself, which  can help them introspect and develop - or,   if they're a villain, it can help them appealingly  self-destruct. Broadly, it's really good for   adding depth to a character by adding a new  dimension to the fundamental core traits. Of course, the premise of this episode is  inherently kind of contrived. Characters   don't tend to volunteer their core character  concepts, and if they don't already know their   greatest fear, how are we supposed to see it? This  is where the episode's antagonist comes in. See,   there's a staple villain archetype - the living  nightmare. These dudes specialize in leveraging   the fear of their victims. Maybe they can  physically manifest nightmares, maybe they just   have an intuitive psychic understanding of what'll  scare their enemy most, but the most common   version of this character has the simple ability  to force their victims into their worst nightmare,   by way of a coma, a hallucination, etcetera. This  version is popular because, among other things,   it kinda protects the status quo. Your hero  is just stuck in a bad dream - lots of really   nasty things can happen in that dream, but all  they have to do to fix it is wake up. A nice,   clean win condition with none of the cleanup  that a real physical nightmare would involve.   And with the status quo sufficiently insulated,  the writer is free to put their character through   the absolute wringer. And that's good for  the audience, because it's very dramatic.   It's not good for the character, but,  you know. That's not really the point.  That's not to say these stories are stakes-free.  Sometimes if you die in the dream you die for   real, or the hallucinated nightmare can actually  hurt you as long as you think it's real.   The purpose of this stock episode is character  exploration and drama, and you can't really have   drama without some kinda stakes. But honestly,  the stakes are usually the same - if they don't   overcome their fear, with or without help, they'll  be trapped in the nightmare until they die. Pretty   standard, pretty simple. These episodes don't  carry themselves on the threat of death - it's   just the infrastructure to justify focusing on the  nightmare itself. Defeat the nightmare to not die.   Not dying is the goal, so defeating the  nightmare is the thing we get invested in.   And that justifies spending the entire rest of the  episode firmly in the character development zone.  By the way, this isn't the only way to frame  this kind of episode. In fact, some of them   explicitly hide the framing. If the audience  doesn't know it's a nightmare from the get-go,   the show can instead show us some really crazy  status-quo-breaking events, like major character   deaths or plot twists, leaving the audience going  all "What? Huh? What??" as we watch everything   spiral out of control - until the character either  jolts awake and realizes it was all a dream,   or we cut to an outside perspective where we  see their concerned loved ones expositing how,   if the character doesn't wake up from  whatever horrible nightmare they're   experiencing… they'll die. Different order  of operations, same result - we spend most   of the episode in the nightmare zone watching  how the characters handle this unprecedented   turn of events. Since that's the meat of  this plot, that's where we point the camera.  So, we've got our stakes set, and we've got our  focus character confronting their greatest fear   in some kind of battle in the center of the  mind. How does this go? Well, it varies a lot   from character to character - this part is a  lot less formulaic than the framing sequence.  There's an episode of Justice League that  I think is worth highlighting here, because   it covers a lot of ground for this trope in one  convenient place. The two-parter episode is called   Only A Dream, and the premise is that some rando  gets dream-powers, starts calling himself Doctor   Destiny, and decides to live out his life's  ambition of defeating the justice league by   trapping them all in nightmares, the stress  from which will eventually kill them. Superman,   Green Lantern, Flash and Hawkgirl are all trapped  in nightmares, while Batman and the Martian   Manhunter are still awake but have to find a way  to help them before it's too late. Wonder Woman's…   on vacation or something, I dunno, she's not in  this episode. So Batman runs off to hunt down   Doctor Destiny - while stoically struggling with  the fact that he hasn't slept in like three days,   because of course he hasn't - and J'onn attempts  to psychically help out his trapped teammates   despite the risk of getting trapped in their  dreams himself. So those two are racing the clock   and showing some pretty commendable badassery  - but meanwhile the four sleeping leaguers are   getting some dramatic character insights. For instance, the Flash's nightmare starts   off kinda silly - he's watching himself on  TV with a crew of rambunctious youngsters,   in line with his goofy childlike personality.  The dream takes a slight turn when the kids all   grow sharp teeth and try to eat him, but he's the  flash. He outruns them. Except that's the trick.   In his dream, he can't slow down. The world  freezes around him and loses all its color,   and the funny, gregarious Flash faces  the possibility that he's going to live   out the rest of his life surrounded by people but  completely alone, trapped by his own super-speed.   Possibly more alarming, Flash happily mentions  that he's been having this dream ever since he   got his powers. Not only is this his greatest  fear, it's always on his mind - the happy,   chipper Flash is constantly afraid of getting  stuck in high gear. The only difference is, this   time, thanks to Doctor Destiny, he can't wake up. So! Flash isn't having a good time. How about the   others? Well, Superman is having a lovely dream  where he's on a date with Lois - except then his   heat vision switches on and burns a hole in his  menu. Uh oh! Wacky hijinks! Superman is always   having to hide his powers from Lois. Except this  time… he also burns up Lois. Well, that's… not   fun. Throughout the dream, all of his powers grow  exponentially, and his uncontrollable strength   accidentally kills Jimmy Olsen. On screen.  Superman's greatest fear is that, since he started   with no powers, and his current powers are already  incredibly strong, will he eventually reach the   point where he can't control them at all? And if  that happens, will he end up killing everyone and   everything he's tried to protect? Superman already  feels like he lives in a world made of cardboard.   Could he handle a world made of wet tissue paper? Meanwhile, Green Lantern's nightmare is a little   more existential. He's back in his  home neighborhood, but… everyone seems   scared of him. And when they talk, he can't  understand them - even the billboards and signs   are incomprehensible. He's become something alien  and unfamiliar without even noticing. I mean,   he is bonded to an alien energy source - it's  a reasonable anxiety for him to have. The   green lantern energy even physically burns  through his body. He's clearly afraid that   his alien power might be eating away at his  humanity - that becoming a vessel for this   kind of power means he's no longer himself. Compared to that, Hawkgirl's nightmare is   almost basic. She's extremely claustrophobic,  so she just ends up stuck in a coffin and buried   alive. I mean… it's scary, but it's not very  revelatory. But there's actually a narrative   reason for that. See, this happens early on in  season two - and it's not until the season finale   that we actually learn anything about Hawkgirl's  backstory and true motivation, and they're massive   spoilers. At this point in the story, showing  us anything deeper about her characterization   would risk blowing that reveal early. Plus,  the simple fear works quite well in context,   because Hawkgirl has demonstrated herself to be  a very badass brawler, and in the beginning of   this very episode pulls a seriously fearless move  when one of the bad guys grabs her and orders her   to fly him out of the fight or he'll kill her.  Instead she flies him four hundred feet straight   up and tells him if he makes good on his threat,  he'll drop forty stories. She doesn't care at all.   With this kind of stoic, unblinking badassery  as our context for her character, the fact that   something as simple as claustrophobia can scare  her this much is revelatory all on its own.   Everyone's afraid of something. She's not scared  of her own abilities or a general existential   dread - the only thing that really scares her  is so basic and primal she can't do anything   about it. In a way it's a basic fear that's not  very revelatory, but from another perspective,   the simplicity of the fear is very revelatory. And even though they end up getting some psychic   help, the characters still overcome their fears  individually. J'onn asks Superman to trust him   to help, which cuts to the heart of his fear  - Superman was afraid he was unstoppable just   because he couldn't stop himself, and sometimes  he needs to be reminded he's on a team. J'onn   reminds Green Lantern that the ring chose him  because of who he was, and thus it's his tool,   not the other way around - and Lantern dives into  the power source to get the boost he needs to kick   the bad guy out of his head. And for Flash, he  just tells him to "look within", which helps   Flash calm down enough to listen to his own racing  heartbeat and gradually slow it down. J'onn just   provides a sanity check and some moral support -  everyone still overcomes their own fear. Except   for Hawkgirl cuz her brain has psychic shielding. So everyone's fears reveal something interesting   about their character. And it's also interesting  to note that the two characters who we don't   see the fears of - Batman and Martian Manhunter -  are the ones whose fears are already established.   J'onn's easiest phobia is his vulnerability  to fire and his fears are mostly about how   he lost his family and entire planet. Batman is…  well, batman. Fear is kind of his thing. I mean,   he deals with Scarecrow on like a biweekly  basis. We don't need to see their darkest   fears to understand their deal - instead we  get to see other facets of their characters.   J'onn subverts his own general stoicism and  demonstrates his deep compassion for his   teammates by risking everything to save them from  their nightmares, and Batman gets to show off his   unrelenting determination by powering through an  extremely sleep-deprived worknight to track down   the bad guy in question and keep him out of his  head through sheer force of will. All in all,   a great showcase of everyone's characters  to a level of depth we don't often see. This is the kind of fun character exploration  we can get from this kind of episode. We   see the characters vulnerable in a  way they don't generally deal with,   and we get to see how they handle that. Or… we…  make jokes about clown phobias for an episode.   I dunno, man, it's always disappointing when  this trope doesn't get leveraged. In fact,   it's not just disappointing - the most common  other way for this episode to go is that a   hitherto unmentioned phobia is suddenly brought  up as belonging to one of the protagonists, and   the rest of the cast usually kinda roasts them for  it. And when that happens, the audience is usually   directed to sympathize with the roasters, not the  roast-ee, cuz… ha ha, who's afraid of clowns? Or…   bugs? Now, the inherently cruel nature of mocking  someone's deep-seated phobia aside, this very   specifically takes us out of the character's  head. Instead of empathizing, we're meant to   see them from an outside perspective where their  fear looks ridiculous or funny. But since the main   strength of this trope is deep introspective  character insight, putting us firmly outside   the character's head for the purposes of pointing  and laughing is sidestepping the entire benefit of   this episode structure. And even if we see the  character heroically overcome their fear, that   victory is kinda diminished by the fact that we  were supposed to think the fear was silly anyway. So a character's greatest fear can be great for  character development. And beyond this basic   episode structure, the core of this trope can be  used in tons of contexts. Sometimes characters   psychically travel into another character's mind  and get that sweet character development directly   by physically looking at their core character  traits. Or a circumstance seems disproportionately   upsetting to a character because it taps into  their deepest fear without directly stating it,   and instead it's gradually revealed through  subtler context clues or character dynamics.   The greatest fear is a great facet of character  development - this episode format is just the   simplest way to explore it. So… yeah!
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