Ms. Autry, you say
the defendant is taking
advantage of your son by pinning a baby on him. And you have physical proof
that her two-year-old
daughter, Skylah, is not your grandchild,
is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Ms. Martin, you claim
that the plaintiff
is a monster in law and is denying
your daughter only because
she doesn't like you. You need help,
and hope to get some
once the results are revealed. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Ms. Autry, why do you feel
Ms. Marin is taking advantage
of your son? Well, she entrapped my son
by marrying him, by giving him things
like money, clothes, car, you name it,
she gave it to him. And she just wants
a man to call on 'cause she's
nothing but an old tramp. JUDGE LAKE: Wait...
Wait a minute now. Let's use respectful language, I wanna understand this. You say she entrapped him
but she's given him money, she's doing this
for what end? What does she want? 'Cause she want
a man of her own. JUDGE LAKE: She want
a man of her own? Yes, ma'am. MARTIN: Ms. Autry, really? Why would you
say that, Ms. Autry? 'Cause you do, Ms. Tramp. See, Your Honor,
this is what I'm saying. Let's be respectful. I don't like her. Look, you don't
have to like her but you can use
respectful language. You're not the mother
of my grandchild. Where I'm from,
they call me Queen DNA. So until I get a DNA test
to prove that's my grand-baby, I am not accepting the
responsibility for no baby
that's none of mine. But she will claim her
at first though, Ms. Autry. All right, hold on, let me
come to you, Ms. Martin because I wanna
understand this. She says
you entrapped her son. Did you do that? MARTIN: No, Your Honor. Were you buying him cars
and all this things giving him money
and all of this? He did the same
for me in return. You'll have no doubt
if I had to do
the same thing in return... (BOTH ARGUING INDISTINCTLY) He did the same thing,
Ms. Autry. No, he didn't. He didn't
even have a job. Yes, he did. Yes, he did, Ms. Autry,
you know this. Well, how he get the money?
'Cause he ain't had no job. Okay, let's talk one at a time
so we understand this. What was the nature
of the relationship between you
and Ms. Autry's son? That's my husband. Oh, that's your husband? My husband. JUDGE LAKE:
So he's still your husband? MARTIN: Yes, Your Honor. I got a phone call
that you're getting married
down the street from my house. I was on my way walkin' down
to stop the marriage and my friend saw me...
(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) MARTIN: She tried to stop
the wedding, Your Honor. (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) Ms. Autry,
I missed all of that. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) JUDGE LAKE:
Okay, wait a minute. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING FAINTLY) And, look, you can't
talk that fast,
then turn to the side. I can't even read your lips. I felt like
I was at an auction
or something I went. Oh, that was like, "What?" Okay. I was raising my hand. What, you was about to bid? Yeah. (LAUGHS) No, really,
explain to me
what's going on. I got a phone call that she
was getting married down
the street from my house. So I got out of my bed
and I start walking down the street to where
she was getting married at. A friend saw me walkin'
and she offered
me a ride. How did you find out
she was getting married? Someone called me
and told me... Your son didn't tell you? No, he didn't tell me. He didn't want me to know... He did, Your Honor. 'Cause he know
I would have stopped it. Okay. And you got that call,
you were in the bed
and you did what? I got up, I got dressed
and I started walkin' up
the street and my friend saw me walkin'
and she said,
"Where are you goin'?" And I said,
"To stop this wedding." So she gave me a ride
and she dropped me out. So, I'm out there
trying to stop the wedding and they take her... She's crazy. ...to another location
where they can get married. Oh, you have to move locations
because of Ms. Autry? She's crazy, Your Honor. Yes, that's exactly
what happened. So what happened?
She comes to the wedding, and what do you say
at the wedding? They didn't even get to do it. She jumped into another car
and they took it out clear. MARTIN: We left. So you all left
your own wedding venue and moved
to a different location? MARTIN:
She's crazy, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: But you all
ended up getting married
on that day anyway... Yes, Your Honor. ...in another location? Did your whole wedding
party follow you?
No, I'm serious. Yes, they did. With Ms. Autry
trailing behind?
I don't get how that works. I had no choice
and I had no car. If I had a car, I would have
right on behind them. And there wouldn't have
been no waiting. She's crazy, Your Honor. So you've never cared
for Ms. Martin? It ain't so much
that I never cared Ms. Martin, it's just that she had been
very disrespectful... She's the same way. I mean, what did you
want me to do? You disrespect me
all the time. Well, you came into my home
and disrespected me. But you
disrespected me first. Oh, no, no,
no, no, no. You kept disrespecting me. You did. You came to my house... You never show any respect. Wait, one at a time,
I wanna hear how this started. Ms. Autry, you said...
Go ahead. She told me
that she was pregnant, and I told her she was not,
'cause my son had been gone
for a while, he came back and she said that she
hadn't been intimate with him
when he was at home. And I went to the hospital
where she was. I was at the hospital
because I told her that's not my grand-baby,
she's having the baby early, and I wanted a DNA test. MARTIN: I wasn't in labor,
I was actually in pain. It was false labor. Okay, it was false labor,
so you came up there and you told her
"This is not my grandchild,"
and what else did you say? I told the lady at the desk
came in and I was talking
to her, like... MARTIN: She was probably
saying that he wasn't
the father. Well, my son is not
your baby father. Yes, he is. JUDGE LAKE: Hold on,
I want to know
what happened at the hospital. So once you came in... How'd you have the baby? JUDGE LAKE: Hold on. Once you came in,
you were in pain. Ms. Autry said,
"This isn't my child." Somebody came in and said
"If you keep acting up,
we're going to put you out." What happens, Ms. Martin? They put her out. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) So you didn't stop acting up? No. MARTIN:
She's crazy, Your Honor. What was she doing? She was acting crazy. She was out in a hospital,
saying, "That ain't none
of my son's baby." "That ain't none
of my son's baby,
you're lying, you're lying." So, Ms. Autry,
you said "That's not
my grandchild" instantly? AUTRY: Yes. She don't
have the toes like my son. His toe's crossed,
his big toe is here. It crawls over like that. And I have proof, Your Honor,
that it's not his baby, 'cause our toes don't do that. Yes, they do, Your Honor. He doesn't have the eyebrows
that me and my son
and my daughter have. She's two.
They haven't grown yet. I mean, they growin'. You're acting like the baby
supposed to come out
with full blown eyebrows. You act like she's supposed
to come out with
full blown eyebrows. AUTRY: She do. MARTIN: No, she doesn't. MARTIN: He did. All right. So, this evidence... Ms. Autry,
you say the baby's toes
don't cross over. MARTIN:
Look at the right foot. JUDGE LAKE:
That little right one
is kinda hedging over, though. MARTIN: Yes, exactly. It's got to be fully cross? AUTRY: Yes, ma'am. She's only two.
I mean, give it time. The toes got to grow.
Let them develop first. AUTRY: She's got them
big old toes. MARTIN: She has toes
like Ms. Autry as well. They have little feet. My toes? Do you wanna
see my toes, Your Honor? MARTIN: My daughter
has feet like her family. Ms. Autry has small feet,
and so does my baby. Well, the baby
doesn't have crossed toes. And what else is your doubt? Doesn't have the eyebrows. Don't have the eyebrows.
My son has girly eyelashes and she don't have
those either. MARTIN:
They haven't grown yet.
She's only two. MARTIN: Let her develop
in her own way. I mean... JUDGE LAKE: When you look
at this beautiful baby, you just don't feel
like this is your grandchild? You don't see the resemblance. Are you saying this,
Ms. Autry...
Let me just ask you this. Are you saying this because
you just don't care
for Ms. Martin or are you saying this because
you really have doubt? I really have doubt. Okay. If that's my grand-baby,
I would take her and love her the way I do the other six
that I have. You don't do that to
the other baby like that
that I have. Well, I did at first
till I find out she
was mine too. They call me Queen DNA. I'm going to do
a DNA test on every baby
that my son had. Oh, they call you Queen DNA
because you're going to do a DNA test on every baby
your son had? Yes, ma'am. I thought I was
Queen DNA, Jerome. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) Guess not. Anyway, So, Ms. Martin,
has your husband
accepted the baby, or does he have doubts? No, he doesn't have
any doubt. It's her. It's her. She hasn't even
tried to bond with the baby. So of course
you're gonna think
she's not sure. She haven't tried to
bond with her. I had to have my own
DNA test to make sure. She's two years old. But she's not my son's.
Look at her eyebrows. Have you ever asked her
"Will you watch Skylah, "will you take care
of Skylah?" MARTIN: Yes, Your Honor. Your Honor,
if they go to the club, they get to pay
to get in the club they got to pay
for their drink, they gotta pay me
to babysit. But that's not why.
That's not why. I heard that. That was... That's on
the weekend. I asked her during the week
so that I could work. (BOTH ARGUING
INDISTINCTLY) But what you said was you was gonna help me
with her. She said she was gonna help. No, I did not say that. If I get a DNA test. I said if you gave me
$50 a week,
I would watch her. Wait, you said, Ms. Autry,
you gonna give her a discount
of $50 a week? AUTRY: Yes, ma'am. As long as she can prove with DNA that,
that's your grandchild. Yes, ma'am. Alright, I'd like to hear
from your witness.
Please stand, ma'am. State your name for the court. Rebecca Cooper, Your Honor. Ms. Cooper, you are
Ms. Autry's daughter. Yes, ma'am. Look at her eyebrows. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) Look how old she is though. My daughter's
two years old. She's 30. So, there's
a big difference there. JUDGE LAKE: <i> So, do you believe
this beautiful baby, Skylah
is your niece?</i> COOPER: <i> She is</i> <i>
my brother baby.</i> I was there when she was born.
That's my baby. And you have
a very close bond with her? Yes. ma'am. Every week. AUTRY: She love babies. COOPER:
That's my brother baby. I mean, if your daughter's
bonded with her and your son
said that's his daughter, what is your problem? 'Cause you told him
it was none of his. (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) Let's get to that.
You told him, your husband,
that this was not his child? Yes, Your Honor.
I was trying to hurt him. He left me to go be
with another woman. And I was trying to hurt him
like he hurt me. JUDGE LAKE: Let's be clear, did you sleep
with another man? Yes, Your Honor. You did. Prior to him coming back
into my life. Yes. August 2013, and he came back into my life
in 2014, June. And she was already pregnant. JUDGE LAKE: Alright. Is there any chance that man
could be Skylah's
biological father? No, Your Honor. Yes. No. Alright, well,
that man is in court, today. Jerome, I'd like to hear from
him. Will you please escort
Mr. Gaut into the courtroom? We're gonna have
you go up to the witness
stand right next to the judge. Mr. Gaut, thank you
for joining us today. We're here discussing
the paternity of baby Skylah and I have to ask you,
do you believe you are
Skylah's biological father? Yes, ma'am. You do? Yes, Your Honor. That's her ex-boyfriend.
My daughter. JUDGE LAKE:
Wait a minute, now. Ms. Cooper, this is your
ex-boyfriend? Yes, Your Honor. AUDIENCE: What? That was a mistake,
Your Honor. So, Ms. Martin, you slept
with your sister-in-law's
boyfriend? Yes, Your Honor. Now who crazy, Your Honor? That was before, Your Honor. That was a mistake. How did that happen? Well, my husband... No.
When my husband was away,
Your Honor, he was, you know,
doing a lot of different
things with other women. And I was emotional. So, you all aren't
together anymore? COOPER: No, ma'am. I believe she's my brother's
daughter because she looked
just like my other niece. My brother said
that's his child so that's
what I'm going with. JUDGE LAKE: Hold on
but Mr. Gaut said he believes
he's the biological father? MARTIN: He's crazy.
She probably told
him to say that. So, me and him crazy? MARTIN: Both of y'all crazy. So, Mr. Gaut, how did you get
a notion that this could be
your child? Because we had sex
unprotected. You had sex unprotected
and you believe it was in the
window of conception. Yes. MARTIN: No, it wasn't. Did she ever tell you,
you are the father? Once, when we
was on the phone. JUDGE LAKE: When you were
on the phone? Yes. What did she say? Uh, you know, she just tell me
it's a possibility the baby
could be mine. She could be.
Look at his eyebrows.
Look at her eyebrows. Only thing wrong with him,
he got a lazy eye. MARTIN: She doesn't...
She doesn't look like him at all. AUTRY: Nothin' wrong
with it, Your Honor. She doesn't look like him,
Your Honor, no. Do you know Skylah?
Or do you have a relationship
with Skylah? No, Your Honor. No. You don't? But in your heart
you been thinking, "I'm this
child's biological father"? Yes, Your Honor. MARTIN: She told him
to say that. I slept with him
in August 2013,
Your Honor. My husband, when he came back
into my life, that was
June 2014. You was already pregnant. I wasn't. Yes, she was. No, I wasn't. (BOTH ARGUING INDISTINCTLY) She showed her sonogram. It was like a little pea,
about that tiny. And the baby is not
gonna be that tiny. I need help, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
You say you need help. I need help. I need help with my kids. Well, don't look this way,
'cause I'm not having
any of that. She's not mine. JUDGE LAKE: <i> You say plainly</i> <i>
"I need help."</i> You mean, financial help?
Emotional support? Emotionally... Child care? Everything. MARTIN: She has other siblings
that she wants to be around. They wanna be around
their other siblings. And this is like the glue. JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Autry
is the glue that
bonds everyone? MARTIN: Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: And Skylah
is not welcome
and that hurts you? Yes, Your Honor. So, do you invite Ms. Autry
to Skylah's birthday? I invited her to
the birthday, yes. She came, but she sat
way across the room. When I get a DNA test
to prove that Skylah
is my grand-baby, I'll fit her in like the
rest of 'em. But if I gotta babysit,
then I still gotta get paid. MARTIN: That's not true. I'm not no free daycare. She doesn't care for me. That's what the real
problem here is. I think, honestly,
at this time, we've... We've heard enough and I can
see how we've arrived
in this place. The question now is,
how do we move forward? And I think we do that
with the results. Jerome? The envelope, please. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) JUDGE LAKE: These results were
prepared by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows. In the case of<i>
Autry v. Martin,</i> pertaining to whether
Mr. Martin or Mr. Gaut is the father of two year old,
Skylah Martin, it has been determined
by this court, the biological father is... Mr... Martin. MARTIN: I'll take that
for $200, Your Honor. I told you. I told you. You are the grandmother,
Ms. Autry. MARTIN: I need your help. Can I get an apology? AUTRY: No. I do apologize to Skylah. But not to her. I'll accept that. AUTRY: And I will have
Skylah at my house. At the end of the day, you all are a family through these children. No. I'm Skylah's family. No, the point is,
you're family through
the children. Well, no cause it's your
daughter-in-law. Your son's
still married to her. As long as she accept my child
'cause that's what
it's all about. I don't care. Miss Jackson,
you say you're here to confront your
husband's mistress and to prove her
one-month-old daughter Ke'Asia is not his
biological daughter. MISS JACKSON:
Yes, Your Honor. Furthermore, you say,
if you learn today that the child is
in fact your husband's, your marriage is over. That's right,
Your Honor. AUDIENCE: Oh. Miss Lipscomb, you say
that you have no doubt your child is
her husband's daughter. You claim he had sex
with you, made a baby and now she needs
to deal with the truth. That's right,
Your Honor. Mr. Jackson is waiting
outside of the courtroom and we'll meet
him shortly, but first, Miss Jackson,
tell me, how did you
find out your husband may be having a child
with his mistress? Your Honor, let's talk
about that. I got an epiphany,
call it women's intuition, whatever you want. I went to my
husband's job. It was about 9:30
to 10:30 at night. And he approached
the car, we talked for
a few minutes and to end
our conversation, I told him I feel as though
there's something going on that you hadn't told me, because he had been distant
in the days prior to. I put him out, so... Your Honor, and as we
were outside talking, we're in the front
of the building, and the defendant pops up
in the car like she's Ricky Raccoon
or somebody, Your Honor, upon hearing my voice. I turned around and I went and
knocked on the window. I asked her if she knew
my husband, I called him by name.
She said she did. She introduced herself
as his girlfriend. I said, "Well, hi, girlfriend,
'cause I'm his wife." (SNICKERS) Like, at that point, your role
is kind of insignificant. Like, "I'm his wife.
Nice to meet you." So she and I
proceeded to talk. She started to tell me
about how they were intimate, how she lived with him
at the hotel that he was presently
staying at. AUDIENCE: Oh! Um, so Miss Lipscomb,
upon meeting her, she told me she was
three weeks pregnant. This was
November 25th. He wears his...
Well, not lately, Your Honor, but he wore his
wedding band faithfully. Well, if I see a wedding band
on a man's finger, then I ain't gonna
continue to talk to him. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) It ain't no...
I don't care
what he tell me. So at that time,
she told me, "Oh, well, he told me it was
from a prior marriage." That didn't even
sound right. Why would I still
be wearing... So hold on. Let me just go over
to Miss Lipscomb. You remember
this encounter? Yes, and she's not being
all the way honest. Okay, what is it you feel
she's leaving out? I don't know what
her intentions was when she came to that job, why did she come up there or
why didn't she come up there. 'Cause that's my husband. I've never seen her
a day in my life. I knew her voice. I was sitting up and... How did you
know her voice? Because when I'm around,
um, Mr. Jackson and she calls
and the kids calls, that's how I know her voice
is so high-pitched. I can hear her
through the phone. Your Honor. But she was always
labeled as "my B-M," which is,
"my baby mother." B-M does not
spell "wife." "Wife" is spelled
W-I-F-E, not B-M. Oh, she can spell,
Your Honor, wow. So, it didn't dawn on me to
ask, "Are you married now?" Because if
you're married now, why have you been
living in a room for
three to four months? He wasn't at the room for
three to four months. I got clothes
in your room... She had a pair of panties,
Your Honor, in his room. I'm at your room
every day, every night. A pair of panties,
Your Honor. I've never seen
this woman. So he never said,
"My wife put me out"? No, I never knew
anything about a wife. She was labeled as B-M... Because she didn't
care to know. ...my baby mother. JUDGE LAKE: And he didn't
have a ring on? He had the ring, but the ring was never saying
that this is my wife. The ring said this is
from my previous marriage. But why do you wear a ring
from a previous marriage on the ring finger? MISS JACKSON: Thank you.
Common sense. I mean...
To each his own. He wear what
he want to wear. He do what he want
to do, but... Your Honor,
AKA she trifling, and that's what
trifling females do. At that point,
I feel like, "If this is your husband
and this is so you say, "y'all working on your family,
you trying to get it together, "why is your husband
in a room and not at home "with you and
your kids?" When I met her in the car
that night, like I said, she told me
she was pregnant. Um, maybe a week after that,
I was talking to... 'Cause my husband went to
jail that night, Your Honor. You sent him to jail
over a bogus... I was angry enough,
Your Honor... She called the police and
said that he jumped on her and sent him to jail, made him lose his job
and his room. It was an impulsive decision
and I understand it was not the right
decision, Your Honor. Stupid. But, yes, I sent him to jail because I knew that he had
some legal issues going on in another state. The next morning,
I go to the room to find Miss Lipscomb
laying in the bed crying
like she just lost her puppy. I told you I was going
back to the room when you was in
the car talking to me. I have belongings
at that room. I'm going back
to that room and I would not leave
the room until the morning. JUDGE LAKE: All right.
All right. All right. Bottom line, we've got
a wife and a mistress fighting over one man and, Jerome, I'm ready
to meet this man. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Wow. Hi. Watch your step going up
the steps, sir. Mr. Jackson, thank you
for joining us today. How you doing,
Your Honor? Ugh, I am, uh... I'm still here, 'cause I'm
listening to a mess. I am listening
to a situation here... MISS JACKSON:
He created it,
Your Honor. ...and you are
in the middle of it. MR. JACKSON: You helped. JUDGE LAKE:
Miss Lipscomb says she
had no idea you had a wife. No, she didn't, 'cause
I never mentioned it
to her, Your Honor. So that part of
her statement is true. You never told her
you were married. No, Your Honor. Mr. Jackson, you are the
perpetrator of this mess... (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) ...because, I'm-a be
straight up. When Miss Lipscomb
first started talking, I didn't believe
for one minute that she didn't really
know you were married, until you sat down
in this chair and confirmed
the lie you told her. MR. JACKSON:
I didn't tell her no lie. I just didn't never
mention it to her. She never asked. Oh! I never mentioned it. And so you would need
to learn the lesson that anything less than
the whole truth is a lie. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) Your Honor, not only
have we had conversations... Before I didn't
deny the child, I went and bought
over $900-and-some worth of stuff for her baby,
Your Honor. Lie. It wasn't $900. And you did that because... MISS JACKSON:
Your Honor, there's...
Like I told her. From the conversation,
Your Honor, she seemed
really distraught. She said that, um,
I don't know how it feels not to know who your
child's father is, Your Honor. So as a woman,
I felt obligated...
Woman to woman, whether it's my
husband's child or not, out of the kindness of
my heart, Your Honor. I understand that
we all have shortcomings, so, yes, I went and bought
things for the baby. At that time,
I believed that she had left, like she was done trying
to be with my husband or mess with
my husband, Your Honor, because that's the idea
that she gave me. As far as I know,
it went on...it ended when Mr. Jackson went to jail,
is what I knew. JUDGE LAKE:
Okay, so let's stop that. Period, pause. Miss Lipscomb, did the affair
end when he went to jail? Yes, ma'am. Well... So you have not been
intimate with him since? Yes, ma'am, I have.
I'm not even gonna lie. AUDIENCE: Ohh. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. Mr. Jackson,
what happened when you found out
your mistress was pregnant? I found out
when I was in jail, 'cause I guess
the beginning of the year, her birthday time,
she got sick and went to the hospital and my wife told me that she said
she was pregnant then. MISS JACKSON:
On her Facebook page,
Your Honor, she had listed that she
was going to the hospital. At that time, Your Honor, she was with another man,
and I have evidence, if you would allow me
to present it, Your Honor, of her talking about
her and this other man
that is not present. JUDGE LAKE:
Okay, so this proves... Jerome, let me see this.
This is... So what you're saying,
this piece of evidence shows that she was also
dealing with another man. MISS JACKSON:
Yes, Your Honor.
She told me that... It was never a secret
that I had a boyfriend
in the beginning. Your husband knew
just like you. So don't act like
it was a secret. She said that the young man
was taking care of her. When she was sick,
Your Honor, she said that the young man
was taking care of her. And that it was
the young man's baby. From my standpoint,
it's a community baby. It's anybody's baby, 'cause
she's community property. It ain't yours,
so I don't understand why you worried about it. Your Honor, I went out... JUDGE LAKE:
So hold on now. Let me just read this. "I'm alive and healthy, "and a lot of people
don't make it to see 27. "It would be
a blessing for me. "I love you all and I'm
really missing my man." So you believe that
there's another man Miss Lipscomb has been
involved with sexually... MISS JACKSON:
She told me,
Your Honor ...that could be the
father of this child? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Miss Lipscomb,
when you had the baby, was he
at the hospital? Did he cut the cord? He didn't cut the cord,
but he was there. So he did come
for the birth. Yes, yes. And, Mr. Jackson, did you
sign the birth certificate? Yes. You did? AUDIENCE:
Oh. MISS LIPSCOMB:
So if it's not his child, why would he sign
the birth certificate, even more to speak
on her behalf... So, Mr. Jackson, you've
acknowledged paternity. Yes. MISS JACKSON:
Your Honor, that's why
the baby was placed on my benefits,
my military benefits. MISS LIPSCOMB:
This is what
she keeps saying, that the baby was placed
on her benefits, but... Her baby is what? Placed on my benefits,
Your Honor. I also have proof
of that, Your Honor. Let me see
that paperwork, Jerome. He automatically claimed all legal and financial
responsibilities to that child because he is deemed
as my dependent on my military benefits, at which time, that child
becomes my dependent
as well on my benefits. They have not paid for
anything for my child. My child still have
a $25,500-and-something hospital bill
from the hospital, so if my child
is on your benefits, why haven't
they paid that? So you don't believe your
child is on her benefits? No, I just believe
she wants to know if this is his child
so she can divorce him. Don't use my child
as a crutch. If you want to divorce
him, divorce him. Don't use my child
as a crutch. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) This woman
is delusional. The whole time
I was pregnant, she swear that
she was pregnant. She's been pregnant four times
since I have had my daughter. Your Honor, what she's
not telling you is that
I'm pregnant now. That's the part that
she hadn't admitted to. I told you, every time,
every time, every time. JUDGE LAKE:
Hold on, hold on. Let's get some order. What did you just say,
Miss Jackson? MISS JACKSON:
I'm pregnant now. I'm due May 5th.
Mr. Jackson knows about it. I've invited him to
doctor's appointments. He and I talked about it.
He said to me, "Well, I don't care
what nobody think
'cause you my wife, "and at the end of the day,
that's just what it is. "You my wife and I don't care
what people think." (SIGHS)
So, Mr. Jackson, now your wife is pregnant. That's what she say,
she's pregnant, Your Honor... So now you don't believe
she's pregnant? I don't know if she is
or she's not, Your Honor. Miss Lipscomb is... Are you still in
a relationship with him, too? It's... It's...
We friends, it's iffy. It's whatever.
We're friends. MISS JACKSON:
But he's married,
Your Honor. She just made
the point of saying... Since she said,
"A", Your Honor, she just made the point
of saying I'm not
the type of person that would break up
a happy home. Oh, your home was
already broke up and your home was not happy
when I came into the picture. Your home was broke up
and it wasn't happy then. (GAVEL BANGING) Listen, ladies. And I'm being generous
with my language. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) I don't know if you all
think you scoring points or impressing anybody with
this tit-for-tat nonsense, but you just look silly. Because ultimately, he not fighting
for either one of y'all. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) He's sitting
over here, quiet, just watching
a random tennis match with two women going back
and forth, back and forth and he's sitting there with
a smirk on his face, like, "I'm done
with all this nonsense." He's a coward, Your Honor. So I don't know what... Yeah, but you carrying
a coward's child! Your Honor...
Right, Your Honor. And you have said it
4,000 times in open court that's your husband. He is my husband. Your husband
ain't saying nothing. Right, Your Honor. This is why, 'cause
this is all you get. Even if I do say something,
what's the point? They're still gonna go
backwards and forward, it's still gonna be text
message, so... So, Mr. Jackson, look. Do you believe Miss Lipscomb's
child is your child? Do you believe Ke'Asia
is your child? Yes, Your Honor, it
could be a possibility. It is a possibility. And yet you did sign
the birth certificate... Yes, Your Honor. ...and acknowledge
paternity. Yes, Your Honor. So you legally are
the father of this child. Yes. Are you paying
child support? No. But she's on your wife's
military benefits. MR. JACKSON:
Yes. Now, you know that don't
make no sense. I don't even know how that
happened when it happened. She brought that up. I'll tell you how it happened. On the day when you
doubtfully signed paternity and created
another dependent. Are you gonna
raise this baby? Uh... What? What? It's like you say... I'm not your wife.
I want an answer. It's like you say... Are you gonna
raise the baby? (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) You not gonna
raise this baby. See, see, you up at...
Up at the hospital performing. You performing. Now, you this baby's
legal father and sitting up here
and I ask you are you gonna raise her
three times, you ain't answer me
yet two feet away. Come on. Stop the nonsense. You see this? Yes, ma'am. That's your child's
legal father. (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) I'm not laughing. This is exactly how
lying, secrecy, sexual irresponsibility, infidelity... This is how
it all mixes up to create
an absolute nightmare for a gorgeous little girl. MISS JACKSON:
She is beautiful. Oh, I'm talking
about beautiful. She make me
want another one. Your Honor... Just a beautiful
little girl. But what I dislike most
about this situation is that we have been here
talking back and forth about the nonsense,
messiness that you caused, you allowed
him to cause and you realized
he was causing and still got
pregnant by him again and we not talking enough
about Ke'Asia. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) Yes, Your Honor.
Yes, Your Honor. Before I get
to the results, if I said to you,
Mr. Jackson, you could step down off
of that witness stand and go stand
at either podium next to the woman you support in this drama you created. I wouldn't
stand by neither one. I'd just stand
in the middle, 'cause there's
still gonna be drama. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS) It really would. Ladies, you heard that, right? Yes, ma'am. Your Honor, Ray Charles
could see this. Now you know. It don't even matter. Okay, results, please. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Jerome, let's just
stand in the middle in Mr. Jackson's place. (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) (SIGHS) These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and they read as follows... In the case of<i>
Jackson v. Lipscomb/Jackson,</i> when it comes to
one-month-old Ke'Asia Jackson, Mr. Jackson... You are not the father. AUDIENCE: Whoo! MISS JACKSON:
Thank you. It's still over.
It's still over,
Your Honor. Now it's not even
her husband's child. After all of this. What about this
beautiful little baby? Do you know
who her father is? Yes, Your Honor. Is he gonna wanna be
a part of her life? No, probably not. AUDIENCE: Oh. Ladies, there's some days where you gotta put
your big-girl panties on. You put them on,
do what you gotta do and figure out
what you gotta figure out and you get it done,
'cause he not gonna help. Good day, everyone.
Mr. Scott, welcome back. How you doing? Now, you previously
appeared in this court
and it was determined that you now have
seven children
by four women. Yes, your Honor.
(CROWD BOOING) You're here today, Huh! denying you fathered
the defendant, Miss Kahlon's four-month-old daughter
Ezra, and today's
paternity results will clear your name. Yes, Your Honor. Now, Miss Kahlon, you claim
the plaintiff was excited when he found out
you were pregnant. M-hm. But then, only a few months
before you gave birth, Mr. Scott disappeared. M-hm. Number, everything. You argue that the only reason
he's denying your baby is because you've since
learned he was in
another relationship. Plenty of 'em, I've heard. JUDGE LAKE: The entire time
you were together. That's not true. I wasn't...
That's not true. Miss Kahlon, your counterclaim I wasn't in a relationship
when I was with her. to Mr. Scott's petition for paternity test is for
$2260 for childcare expenses and repayment of loans. Now Mr. Scott,
please share with the court how you ended up
in a relationship
with the defendant. Well, Your Honor,
to start off with, we met online, we chatted
for about three weeks,
I'd say, Three weeks. three weeks to a month,
something like that. So she came to visit me,
she came to my city,
she came to visit me. You know, we hung out,
we spent time, we had
a nice time that night. No big deal, you know.
It was nice, it was nice. She went to sleep.
I happened to go through
her phone... JUDGE LAKE: On the first night
you guys had a date? Yeah, well, the reason why
I went through your phone is because her phone... He had no reason
to got through my phone. Her phone didn't ring all day
so I got suspicious! My daughter, my kids? So you felt like, since her
phone didn't ring... Yeah, something was fishy. something was up.
Maybe she had it
on silent, or... Something was fishy.
So she went to sleep and she
had a passcode on her phone so as the day goes on,
I'm looking out my peripheral
and how she did it, CRYSTAL: Nosy. so I got her password... JUDGE LAKE: (EXCLAIMING)
Oh, wow! Inspector Gadget! I had trust issues,
you know what I mean? I had trust issues due to
what happened to me in
my previous relationships... CRYSTAL: Go figure! But we learned the last time
you were in court
that you were married and you were sleeping with
all different women! CRYSTAL: Uh huh. Thank you. I wasn't even married,
I was divorced. Right, right. MARCELL: Why you keep
talking about that?
I was divorced. Go ahead and continue. So I went through her phone
and prior to us
being together, conversating and conversing,
I see that she had other text messages
from other men. That's irrelevant. JUDGE LAKE: But you
weren't in a commited
relationship, right? Nope... No, not at that time.
(STAMMERING)
At the time that she... Upon of her arrival? (CROWD LAUGHING) No, see that's
why he's stuttering,
because he's lying. You don't even know!
Who am I married to,
who am I committed to... MARCELL: Upon her arrival,
we was together. I didn't have nothing to hide,
I didn't need to hide nothing. But then she also admitted
to me that she was
supposed to have a sexual encounter with
another dude but she said
he couldn't perform, (AUDIENCE WHOOPING) so that's when she
admitted to me... JUDGE LAKE: Okay.
So what you're saying
to me is... So it doesn't even make... Oh well. You discovered information
you really didn't wanna know, meaning that she had other
partners at the same time... Does he got proof of this?
Does he got proof? No. Yeah, I have proof.
My eyes! My eyes
is the proof right there! For real? At some point,
despite the text messages and the "I spy" and
everything else, you all were intimate,
because there is a
child in question. M-hm. Yes we were. It was good, too.
It was good. Wait, wait, wait.
Now I just need you
to give me the relevant facts. Uh huh. (LAUGHING) I don't need to know that. Yes, we were intimate. JUDGE LAKE:
So you were intimate. Yes, we were. You felt like she was intimate
with other people
during the same timeframe. Yes, exactly, yeah. No. So, now, Miss Kahlon,
I gotta come to you. What do you have to say
about his accusations? He is a liar...
I think he believes
his own lies. (MARCELL LAUGHING) For real. This is like, crazy. I don't know where he's
getting all this. So how did it go down
for you? Okay. So I met him
on the internet site,
a dating site. I didn't pursue him,
he pursued me, 'kay?
Let's get that straight. Yeah, I did get at her.
She was pretty, man! Thick white girl,
she was pretty. (CROWD LAUGHING) Mr. Scott! She was pretty. CRYSTAL: Okay.
So we're talking... Okay. She still is pretty! I never said she wasn't. It wasn't three weeks.
It was months, okay? Of course I pursued her. I didn't go and just jump off
and go see him. MARCELL: Yeah, you did. We was talking for months. We wasn't. It was like,
three weeks. Back and forth.
And, you know, I paid for
my trips to go out there. She did. He never paid for nothing. I paid, when we wasn't
at his "mother's house,"
we went to the motels. Yes, true. Never met nobody
in his family. Yes, I did get pregnant
the first time
I went out there. MARCELL: And the reason why
you didn't meet nobody is because I had my suspicions
from the first time! So you're saying, Miss Kahlon,
that you got pregnant
the very first time Yes. Yes. you visited him. (CROWD REACTING) The very first time... CRYSTAL: The very first time. We has sex a good
five times. For real,
don't get it twisted. We had sex a good five times
that night. (CROWD LAUGHING AND CHEERING) CRYSTAL: So don't let him
sit here and play the role. Yet another fact
I didn't need to know! I never said that.
I took you down, yeah, I did.
I took her down. JUDGE LAKE: Moving on! MARCELL: I took her down.
I took her down!
Yes, I did. And I put her to sleep. Mr. Scott! She went to sleep,
I went through her phone. Wait, now I'm starting
to believe this was part of
your scheme or plan to get to her phone! CRYSTAL: Obviously. Taking her down
so you could get to her phone. Now we established
previously that you had a wife, or ex-wife,
whatever you'd like to
admit to, during the time in which
you were sleeping
with that person as well as... This person, and that person. That's sad. That's crazy. There was only two girls.
Don't be adding other people. (CROWD CLAPPING) Don't add other people. And you're telling me
that you're the person
with the trust issues? I'm a very smart man.
You know, me,
I look for signs, and I seen the signs. That's what it was. Signs that he
knows from himself. If I call you at 12 o'clock
at night, not once, not twice,
not three, not four, and you don't answer
the phone? Something's wrong. Then somebody's sleeping! (CROWD LAUGHING) I ain't awake all night! You can't call me the next
day at 11:30 and say
I was sleeping. CRYSTAL: Asleep! So you mean to tell me you
were sleeping for 14 hours? I'm supposed to just jump
every time he calls? Yes. Yes. Oh. No. (CROWD BOOING) I don't think so. If I'mma call you,
yes you are. Wow. You call me any other time...
Any time you call me
I answer the phone. What was your proof?
What else do you have? Okay, I went through her
phone... We got that. There was pictures of
other men's male parts, 'kay? For real? Pictures of other male parts.
And she was like,
I'm fitting to go to Lancaster to visit a friend,
a family member... And she did it like that? Pictures of other male parts,
are you serious? The guy says, well... My kids would play with
my phone, Your Honor. There was nothing like that
in my phone. But there was pictures
of you all in lingerie
and all this stuff... CRYSTAL:
Lingerie? You got those too? (CROWD GROANING) MARCELL: Look, there
it is right there, Your Honor! CRYSTAL: That's not lingerie!
You call that lingerie? So, Mr. Scott, you submitted
this evidence to the court. Yeah. You was supposed to be my man! I was sending you something
to keep you happy in a long-distance relationship! I never received that picture! CRYSTAL: Are you serious? You didn't get that picture? MARCELL: I never received
that picture. CRYSTAL: That's one of
the first pictures
I sent you. Who takes pictures
in lingerie... I don't take pictures
like that, Your Honor,
come on now. Never. ...in positions that was
uncalled for... Never. No. ...inside Motel 6? No. Are you serious? JUDGE LAKE:
Inside of a motel? Yes, it was. And it was
a weekly Motel 6 cause they had the whole
entertainment system
inside the motel. (CROWD LAUGHING) Uh, uh, wait a minute! So you know that firsthand? Of course! Everybody knows
what the motel look like. You know, if you go in
to the motel for one day
you got the little bitty desk. Thank you. He knows... If you're in it for the whole
week, you got the whole...
She had Subway cups up there, Newports, she had
DVD players... I don't smoke Newports,
baby boy. Well, Marlboro Reds. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Scott!
(BANGING GAVEL) (BOTH YELLING OVER EACH OTHER) JUDGE LAKE: Let's get
some order. You saying her motel room
had all of the
extended stay features. Yeah. (CROWD LAUGHING) JUDGE LAKE: So, Miss Kahlon,
were you in love
with Mr. Scott? Let me ask you something.
Were you in love with
Mr. Scott? I wouldn't say it was love. On the internet site
that I met him on, he wanted basically
the same things
I was looking for, you know? MARCELL: Of course. He said he was
family oriented. Of course I am.
I take care of
all of my kids, but... (STAMMERING) How am I gonna
have a family with a girl
that's already texting other dudes? If you
knew that you was feeling me
and you was committed to me, like, "Oh, I'm feeling him,
I'm not gonna
talk to these dudes." I would come down and
see him almost
every weekend. How is that not feeling you
or into our relationship? True. But at the same time,
there was other dudes. "I'm going to Lancaster
to visit my friend." Every time I went down there,
I never met nobody. And he says, "Oh, I can't
wait to see you
when you come back." "Oh, I miss you too."
Why? I'm not your friend. If I'm your dude,
I'm your man. Yeah, you are. JUDGE LAKE:
Let me get this
portion straight. Miss Kahlon, now, you're
in a sort-of relationship, Right. and you are coming
to see him regularly. You're investing
in the relationship, right? However, every time she comes,
you still in her phone. She only came, like,
maybe four times. About six. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. I don't remember six times.
I remember maybe
three or four times, cause the first time... JUDGE LAKE:
What I'm saying is you're looking at her phone
every time she
comes to visit you... Yes. From the
first time she came... You're noticing that there's
always still conversations
with other men that it seems like she's
in a relationship with. There was always something
about a dude.
(SMACKING HANDS) And then the first time it was
about a dude, the next time
it was about lingerie. Did you continue to be
intimate with her anyway, even after you
saw all of this? Yes, I did! So, Miss Kahlon,
you find out you're pregnant. Uh huh. You immediately know...
No, hold on. Prior to this... She didn't even know.
I told her she was pregnant. ...he told me, he said
"I bet you're pregnant." Yeah, I told her that. Like, jinxing me. Cause she's sick. She called me, saying
"You jinxed me." I said, well, you sick,
you throwin' up, come on,
you got kids, you know... I said come on,
you're pregnant. Never had no sickness
with any of my kids. If the baby's mine,
then why the baby don't
have my last name? It's the same thing. Because he wasn't there!
He disappeared! Why wasn't I there?
Because I had my reasons
and my doubts. Why am I going to ut you
on the birth certificate
if you weren't even there? All right. Give me
this information.
I need this testimony. Miss Kahlon, you said
you let him know
you're pregnant, and then what? He was happy. Yeah. He said, quote-unquote,
"Oh Mommy, we're going
to be a family." See, yeah,
that was the nickname. And did you wanna be
a family with him? I mean, it was was it was.
I wasn't sure if
that's what I wanted. What was it? He wanted me to move to... Wait, you said it was
what it was,
what was it? I mean, I'd just met him
not long before that,
you know. I was kinda wary about it
myself, you know. I'm not moving to no
Sacramento, man, that's
a weird city. You know,
who gets pregnant the first
time they go see somebody? JUDGE LAKE: Okay. I was like... I didn't know
if that's what I wanted. I told him that
plenty of times,
you know, "I don't know,
I don't know if
you're gonna be there." I don't wanna have a baby,
raise it, by myself. If the baby was mine,
how come the baby ain't
got my last name? The baby don't even
look like none of
my other kids. The baby don't...
You told me the baby
looks like you, Marcell! (STAMMERING) It's okay.
Can we just read the results? She about to call me
another name,
you see what I'm saying? (CROWD LAUGHING AND CLAPPING) I was? You know,
let's get to the results. Let's get to the results. CROWD: Aww. JUDGE LAKE: Aw.
We're going to get
to the results very shortly. But first I want to
get to your arbitration. Miss Kahlon, you're
countersuing the plaintiff for $2260 in baby expenses
and loans Mhm. You sent him money.
How much money
did you send him? All together, maybe
four or five hundred. (CHUCKLING) The money she sent you,
was it a loan? No! No, no, no!
Wasn't no loan. CRYSTAL: Yes, it was a loan. Why would I get a loan
from her? I mean,
I worked at the time. You act like I'm speaking
blasphemy. I just asked,
was it a loan? No, it was not a loan.
Not at all. JUDGE LAKE: Okay,
what was it? I said I needed it
and she gave it to me!
Every other day! Why should I be taking care
of somebody that obviously
couldn't take care of himself? Alright. Do you have
any receipts at all, I never said that. from what you sent him? Here you go. (CHUCKLING) Now, is this for the
loan or is this for
your baby expenses? Both. JUDGE LAKE: Both? I see here you have
receipts for the
money you sent, Make-up receipts. totalling $580,
baby expenses... Diapers, wipes, formula,
clothing. Sounds like everything you
need to take care
of a baby. You have the evidence
showing that you
wired him money to help him or
to loan it,
per your testimony. The problem is, you don't
have any written evidence
that shows that it was in fact a loan,
and that he agreed to
repay the money. This is just a little
fact going forward,
a legal tip. If you're gonna loan money,
get something in writing. (CROWD CLAPPING) Unfortunately, I cannot
award you that money
for those expenses. Are we ready for the results? BOTH: Yes. Jerome, if you could
hand me the envelope. (AUDIENCE CLAPPING) Can I say something,
Your Honor, before
you read the results? Are you gonna
tell me what you're
hoping for? Um, I just pray and hope
for the good results. What are good results
for you? That she's my baby.
If that's my daughter,
I'm going to take care of her. If it's not, then
I wish her the best,
you know what I mean? I'll take care of
all my kids. I take care of all my kids.
It don't matter
how many I have, I take care of
them all. (CROWD LAUGHING) You about to get eight, y'all. Miss Kahlon,
do you have any doubts,
and what do you want? I got two jobs! I don't have no doubts.
I have no doubts. And what do you want? I want him to take care
of his responsibilities. MARCELL: Of course.
No problem. I didn't make her by myself. I'm not gonna raise her
by myself. You ain't.
You gotta change her
name, too. CROWD: Oh! You got to change her name. I hope she doesn't have to
spend her childhood listening to you all
bicker. CRYSTAL: For real. These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics, in the case of<i>
Scott v. Kahlon.</i> As it pertains to
four-month-old Ezra Edwards. Mr. Scott, you... Are not the father. (CROWD WHOOPING) I apologize. I can be
woman enough to apologize
and keep it moving. Whoo! I guess my assumptions
was right. You do
the best you can, though. (BOTH STUTTERING)
Baby deserves a father. Oh, I think you're
stuttering now. Something has finally
made him speechless! CRYSTAL: She don't
need a father. (CROWD CHEERING) JUDGE LAKE: So
what do you feel? You wanna know why
I'm so speechless? What do you feel? You want me to tell you
why I'm so speechless? I wanna know! Because this woman was
so confident, and she was
so persistent, to do everything that needed
to be done to see if
that was my baby, and it's not even my child. I could see the confidence
on your face. CRYSTAL: Yeah. Like, you really thought
he was indeed the father. Yeah! I mean, it's nothing. Do you have any idea... No, I know. I was only with
one other dude before him. He died, though.
He was shot. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry to hear that. And I just want to say to you,
if you indeed feel as if you
want to get a paternity test, a DNA test
done, it is possible
to still do that and confirm the paternity
of your child even though
this gentleman is deceased. JUDGE LAKE: Only you know. Right. Only you know who
you were with, but what this court
stands for
is making sure children are able to know
who their parents are, who they belong to,
who's responsible for them... How come she didn't notify
and tell me this stuff
about the other dude? Because I wasn't with you...
Marcell, you knew, you just
said you knew! You found text messages
and pictures of him! Yep, you right. Why didn't you call?
Why didn't you call? I did call him!
He denied it! I explained... What? Look, look, look.
I need to say
something to you before court
is adjourned, 'cause this has been decided.
The science has decided it. I'm almost afraid to ask.
You know, when you practice
law and you become a lawyer they always say, Uh oh. "Don't ask a question
you don't know the answer to." No, I don't want no kids. But as a judge, we must.
I'm not gonna see you
in this courtroom again, am I? CRYSTAL: You probably will. (LAUGHING) No...
No you won't.
"You probably will." No, you won't.
No you won't. You probably will. JUDGE LAKE:
All right. Thank you so much.
Appreciate. Thank you for the results. Thank you so much. Miss Kahlon,
the best of luck to you
and your child. Thank you. Court is adjourned.
