Please be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello. This is the case of
Jordan v. Heim. Thank you, Jerome.
Good day, everyone. AUDIENCE: Good day. Mr. Jordan, you claim
the defendant tricked you into signing her
daughter's birth certificate, and being a daddy. But two years later, you were told another man
is her biological father. You opened your case, because you want DNA proof,
you are not the father, so you can get
your name removed from the birth certificate.
Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Heim, you admit to being unfaithful
to Mr. Jordan, but say he is Caitlyn's father. You say Mr. Jordan abandoned you and your daughter, and you intend to prove
paternity today. Is that correct? HEIM: Yes, Your Honor. So, Mr. Jordan, you say
Miss Heim tricked you? JORDAN: Yes. Explain. Um, she tricked me into thinking
that I was the, I was the father. She tricked me into
thinking that, that Caitlyn was my, was my first daughter. She tricked me into
thinking that <i>that the other guy had got a
paternity test on Caitlyn.</i> 'Cause she told me, "Oh,
he already got one," and... You know what I'm saying?
So I know, it's just you. Uh, she tricked me into
thinking that, that family
was something sacred. JUDGE LAKE: You believe she was intentionally deceitful? Yes. JUDGE LAKE: And what
was her motive? I've, you know what? I have... I think her only motive was to, that she was able to
get away with it. Honestly. Um, 'cause at the end
of the day, I think that she
had the advantage. As far as to having a, a dad, that could take care,
and provide for Caitlyn. 'Cause I was there
since day one. You know what I'm sayin'?
So... So you thought
her motive really was that you were a provider? You were there for the child, and you were going to
do right by the child. Right. JUDGE LAKE: But you believe
she was being deceitful. Yeah. JUDGE LAKE: Were you
being deceitful, Ms. Heim? No, Ma'am. I, um, he's a great father. And I only had sex
with one man, when we were together. And I had sex with him
one time, but we've been messing around
for seven years, and I never became pregnant.
I met Chris, and all of a sudden
I became pregnant. So, I know,
Chris is the father. So wait, you're saying that
you were only having sex with one other man, other than Mr. Jordan? HEIM: Just one time,
in April, and then I found
I was pregnant in June. Okay, so was that potentially
the window of conception? Yes, Your Honor. I know that
Chris is the father. But how, if you had sex
with the other guy? HEIM: He's the fa...
I just know that
he's the father. So, Mr. Jordan... And he needs to stop listening,
now he listens to
his family members, my family members, the people on the streets. And everything about...
I just came today to show everybody on the streets, his family members,
my family members,
that he is, he's the father,
and I'm tired of it. 'Cause it is upsetting you? Yes. JUDGE LAKE: And it's because
you feel like they're lying on you? 'Cause Mr. Jordan
says you consistently lie. What are you feeling? Hurt. Because my daughter,
she's old enough to realize. You see, Caitlyn asked me, does my dad still love her? It never hurt me so bad. She asked you, "Does my daddy
still love me?" Yes, Your Honor. Now, now if I will, um, She, I, there's never been a moment where Caitlyn, and I have been around
each other, and she feels, like I love her less than, or anything like that. Like, I love that little girl. You know what I'm saying?
Like, I was there, I cut the
umbilical cord, I passed out. <i> Like, I was there,
you know, I sung</i> <i>happy birthday
when she was born.</i> You know, I washed the little,
nasty little afterbirth... Horrible, you know
what I'm sayin',
but I was there. JUDGE LAKE: So you were there
for the whole birth? And the nasty afterbirth? Everything. You know what
I'm sayin'? I was there
for the, for the weird
pregnancy cravings, I was there to rub the feet, I was there to get up out of
my sleep at night, to get
pickles and ice cream. That's what I was doing,
you know what I'm saying? 'Cause, at the end of day,
I never grew up
with my parents. You know what I'm saying? So I'm real big on being
a parent to my child. That like, when this little
girl was born, like, that what
changed my life. Like, that, that what
did it for me. That's what made me start goin'
in a positive direction,
you know what I'm saying? But this what I don't
understand, it was all
going well. It was, you know
what I'm saying? JUDGE LAKE: And so
how does it go wrong? JORDAN: This is where
it goes wrong. Her and a family member
get into a, like, altercation, like an argument. You know,
an altercation, an argument. And it's like, they started,
like, throwin' dirt
on each other. You know what I mean? So, she says something about
this family member, in front of this family member's boyfriend,
or whatever. So she turned, so the family
member turned around,
and was like, "Why you ain't told Chris that "he's not Caitlyn's dad?" JUDGE LAKE: What? So I'm like, at that moment, it was
just like, I was more in shock,
than... 'Cause at the end of he day,
it's just like, hmm? It's very funny, but you know, people can, you can
say whatever. But as she was sayin' it,
she pulls out the phone, and she starts showin' me,
I can pull it up,
I ain't gotta lie. It's what, what the family
member tells me. My family, they're messy,
they're messy, they're messy... Man, that blew my mind. What does she pull up? HEIM: She's jealous... JORDAN: She pulls up
pictures of... Of this other, of the other guy
and my daughter. You know what I'm saying?
Like having moments together,
or... Uh, pictures of... JUDGE LAKE: Wait a minute! Hold on! Caitlyn's two years old,
you think you have a daughter, and the perfect girl,
you've got a good life. Yes, um, I actually
have evidence. JUDGE LAKE:
Oh, let me see that. So you think you're havin'
a good life, and then they get into
an argument,
when Caitlyn's two, a family member and Miss Heim, and they start goin' off
on one another... And then, like, everything
just comes right out,
right then. And I'm like, it hit me... JUDGE LAKE: And so, the family member
showed you pictures... It hit me like an 18-wheeler. And this evidence you submitted
is one of the pictures? Yeah. <i>Yeah, and, as you can see
right here, Your Honor,
like I...</i> I mean, I don't want to say
people look alike,
but I'm like, yo... It's a lot of resemblance here. If you want more episodes
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posted up, It says, "Me and my baby Kate." And this is from
Santavious Knight, and it reads,
"Me and my baby Kate." And my thing is, when did
anybody get the time, to even take my daughter, over to somebody else's house,
like, how am I the last person
to find out? JUDGE LAKE: Do you know
who this man is? Miss Heim? That's the guy I had sex
one time with. When I met Chris. That's the one I was
having sex with since 2010. So what was Caitlyn
doing on his lap? My family members are messy, so when I drop her off
on the weekends, I don't know what they do. Your Honor, I object. I object. Wait a minute, when you drop... Your Honor, I object. My thing is what's a family
member got to do with my
daughter on another man's lap? JUDGE LAKE: Right, that's what
I want to know? I didn't say... How did she get over there?
Did you take her over there? That time I did, on that count. That time? So there's been
more than one time? No, that was the only one time. JORDAN: Your Honor, I object. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) JUDGE LAKE:
What was your point? Of having the baby
have this relationship with Santavious, that he's
calling her his baby? Nothing, I mean, I didn't tell him that, I told him
I was pregnant. JUDGE LAKE: Miss Heim,
I'm gonna need you to tell me, I didn't say it was his. what the deal is? <i>I need to know what's going on.</i> <i> She's old enough to know.</i> Who does she think
her father is?
Mr. Jordan or Santavious? Chris. Have you ever told
Mr. Santavious Knight, this gentleman here, that he is her
biological father? HEIM: All I said was that I was pregnant, when I
first found I was pregnant. I did not say it was his child. So are you saying,
he assumed he was the father? No 'cause, me and him was like,
like, we could talk
about anything, so... When I found out
I was pregnant, I was like, "Look I'm pregnant."
He said, "Okay." So, I feel like he assumed that it was his, but it's not his.
It was Chris' baby. Your Honor, I object,
I'm sorry. JUDGE LAKE: You know what,
hold on. I'm about to
object too, and I'm up here on this bench. I am not getting any truth
out of you, Miss Heim. I am ready to hear from
Mr. Santavious Knight myself. Jerome, please escort him
into the courtroom. Hold up, wait a minute... Go up the steps,
watch your step... Thank you for joining us today. We're here discussing
the paternity of Caitlyn. KNIGHT: Yes, Ma'am. And... JUDGE LAKE: It has been brought
to this court's attention, that there are pictures
of you with Caitlyn, where you put a caption that this is, "Me
and my baby Kate." Where you were
referring to this little girl
as your daughter. Yes. Do you believe
Caitlyn is your daughter? Yes, that's my baby. When she told me she got
pregnant, like "I'm pregnant," I'm like, "What you
telling me for?" She like
"Well it's not Chris, man, "me and Chris been together
a year and a half, "and we ain't got pregnant." So you touch me
and I get pregnant. HEIM: No he's lying, I... When I came back in town
in April. I admit we had sex, and then
I found out I was pregnant
in June. So how is that possible? I just
called him to let him know
that I was pregnant. JUDGE LAKE: What did you say
she said to you again? She told me it were my baby,
she said I'm pregnant, I said
what you telling me for? She said, 'cause it's yours. Telling me, "I love it
when you get home." "I let somebody else sign the
birth certificate but I'll
fix it when you get home." You didn't care. I'm like
"Okay, say no more." She let somebody sign the birth
Certificate, but she's gonna
fix it when you get home? Yeah. HEIM: No. JORDAN: He ain't lying,
he ain't lying JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Heim,
what kinda game you running? HEIM: I ain't runnin' no game. It's a good game. Fact. He ain't lying. JUDGE LAKE: So how often do you
see Caitlyn? I see Caitlyn when
he ain't got her. Or the people
at her school ain't got her. She gonna see you can't keep
on lying instead of being
real and tellin' the truth. You know what I mean?
It's still gonna come out,
any way it go. It's gonna come out anyway,
they gonna tell. The baby mine. You gonna see here, you gonna
have to apologize,
this man's gonna be cryin'. Do you see her playin'? Go on tell the truth,
keep it real. What is the plan? You know what I'm sayin'? No. I, I mean, I realize now, that there is a web of deceit. But I'm still not too clear on,
what is the plan? To show him that, uh,
Caitlyn, he's the father. I mean, Christopher is
the father of Caitlyn,
because I'm tired of this. And tired of my family sayin' he's the father. JUDGE LAKE:
But you're sleeping with him? Was. So why did you tell Mr. Knight he was the biological father? I did not, I said
I was pregnant. Where is he getting all these
stories about makin' the birth
certificate right, and all of this? I don't know, I just told,
I called him when I found
I was pregnant, and told him that
I was pregnant. Did you tell him you were gonna
make the birth certificate
right? I don't remember that,
Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: But the
conversation about the birth
certificate would happen, after Caitlyn was born. So you're still having
conversations with him
after Caitlyn's born? Mmm, through my family members. Through your family members? KNIGHT: That's a lie. They try to get me
come over a month ago. They tried to get me over.
Called a month ago. Come on,
stop lying. You say she just tried to get
you to come over a month ago? KNIGHT: To her house. JORDAN:
Told me that same thing too,
Your Honor. I don't want to say it. JORDAN: A month ago. JUDGE LAKE: What did she say? Hey, I need somebody to come
over here and stay with me,
because you know, my new dude
trippin' and yadda,
yadda, yadda. KNIGHT: Exactly. No, for real. But, at the end of the day,
you know what I'm sayin'? That ain't, that's irrelevant.
You see what I'm sayin'? That's irrelevant to what,
what the matter at hand. You know what I'm saying? And we got one person
manipulating two different guys
over one child. Like, it's not botherin', it's not gonna hurt you,
it's not gonna hurt you,
you feel, it's gonna hurt her? You dig what I'm saying?
Like... At the end of the day, I don't
want her life to be messed up, off the choices
her mother made. You dig what I'm saying?
Like, I love that little girl,
I'm sayin' <i> if I could, you know what
I'm saying? I would, but...</i> <i> At the end of the day,
if it is what it is, like,</i> <i>I'm gonna let bro, you know
what I'm saying?</i> Get his spot, you know
what I'm saying? I'm not
gonna take that from him. That's not, that's not
my position to take that
from nobody. JUDGE LAKE:
What's this smirk, Ms. Heim? What is this smirk, you have
had the same smirk
on your face. You burst out crying
when the case first started. You're just so tired of this,
and you just want it
to be over. And you're just tired
of going through this. I do want it to be over. What is this smirk, what is
behind your eyes? What are you feeling? Why? (SIGHS) Did you grow up with your dad? HEIM: Mmm-mmm. You're just fine. (HEIM CRYING) I wasn't gonna let you stand up
here and have a smirk on
your face like this was a game. JUDGE LAKE: Because
you're the mother
of a beautiful little girl, <i>And you know she deserves more,
and now I know why you know
she deserves more.</i> It's because you also
deserved more, and you
didn't get it. Can we say, in this moment, that it is the truth, that you do not
definitively know, which one of these men
is her biological father. I don't know. JUDGE LAKE: You don't know. It's okay, 'cause when you
tell it, it can't hold you
hostage anymore. It is, it can't! You're in your own prison. And that's why you're just
spinning, and spinning, and
spinning, and spinning, and lying and telling
this person one thing,
and this person one thing. And your family members,
you just keep calling
them messy, and they lookin' at you,
like you messy, and everything's a mess! It can't hold you hostage, if you set yourself free. So now you said it, look at me, it didn't kill you, you're still standing. I don't know. JUDGE LAKE:
That's why we're here. Jerome, the envelope please. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) JUDGE LAKE: These results were
prepared by DNA Diagnostics and
they read as follows. JUDGE LAKE: In the case of
Jordan v. Heim, pertaining to
whether Mr. Jordan, or Mr. Knight, is the father of the child, Caitlyn Jordan. It has been determined
by this Court. The biological father is... Mister... Jordan. AUDIENCE: Ooh! Mr. Jordan, you are
Caitlyn's biological father. Mr. Knight, I know you really
thought Caitlyn was
your biological child, how are you feeling
in this moment? At the end of the day,
you know... Your life,
you kind of, you know... When it come out it comes out,
the truth comes out, so I ain't
too mad about it, you know... But, if I'm still allowed, that's my partner right there,
you know, that's my friend. Miss Heim, these two young men, have loved your child, have treated her
like she was theirs, developed bonds. But at some point,
we had to get to the truth. You have been spinning. You've got to be tired. I want you to talk to
Dr. Jeff. I want you to talk about
how to move forward. And figure out how
to start fresh. Because what you did say, as you spoke so beautifully
about your daughter when
you said, "It hurt me." And I knew you felt
that when she said, "Does Daddy not love me
anymore?" And you said,
"That hurt me." It's because you feel what
she feels. You're her mother. Whatever pain she feels
you want to take from her. But you also have
to stop causing it. And you do that by not being
mature and healthy, as it relates to the
relationship with her father. So I want you to start
learning how to do that. And take good care of her,
she is one gorgeous young girl. All right? I wish you all the very best.
Court is adjourned.
