Toxic People & How To Take Back Your Life - Dr Ramani, Ep 41

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[Music] welcome to health hackers episode 41 I am excited to be joined for the second time by dr. Ramani Durvasula clinical psychologist and author with supreme expertise in personality disorders and relationships the first episode we recorded together was last year and it focused on how to handle a narcissist sociopath or psychopath that video became the most watched and most commented on episode of all time on the health ICA's YouTube channel and now dr. Ramani is releasing a brand new book titled don't you know who I am how to stay sane in an era of narcissism entitlement and incivility for the next half an hour dr. Romani will be giving us her expert wisdom and insights into how we can handle living in a world where apparently narcissism is the new normal dr. Romani so great to speak with you again Thank You Gemma thank you so much for having me and I'm actually really honored that I was your most seen podcast episode I had no idea and that line that line about narcissism being the new normal you told me that in our last interview and you pointed out that the situation was getting dangerous now for anyone who is unfamiliar with narcissism and how it is the new normal can you give us a brief overview of what you mean narcissism in general just in case somebody didn't listen to the prior or didn't see the prior episode Jemma let me just sort of get us on this all of us on the same page narcissism is a pattern characterized by lack of empathy entitlement grandiosity superficiality validation seeking admiration seeking arrogance a tendency to being controlling difficulty frustrate difficulty tolerating things like frustration or stress and a real tendency to rage and they also have other patterns like manipulation exploitation coercion lying deceit all of that so it's a pretty toxic pattern and when I say it's becoming the new you know listen you know this particular week I'm in the UK with you I'm reading your politics and I'm thinking you apparently the United States is not the only country run by kind of a raging narcissist and so it seems to be endemic in our world leaders and if it's endemic in the world leaders it's what's all over the airwaves and it's the people who make the news and it's the people who share the news and it's the people who run the companies and the problem is is when we see it in leadership even if we don't see ourselves in that leadership their attitudes the tone they use their incivility it becomes the new normal it normalizes the conduct as though any behavior is permissible as long as it makes a person successful in the information about your new book you said narcissism entitlement and incivility are not only normalized but also increasingly incentivized is that what you mean absolutely I mean that what we rewarded it's not even more like we tolerate used to be we taught may be tolerated it now we reward it we assume that somebody who's really cocky and arrogant has the goods to back it up what we don't understand is that somebody who's really arrogant and I know bragging and showing off it's likely deeply insecure because a person who really knows their stuff tends to keep their mouth shut until it's the appropriate time and so I think that what we do is we think that again in the age of social media were bigger and louder are better we really are societally getting into the habit of giving those people the attention right the person was a million Instagram followers is an influencer and they make lots of money so wouldn't want everyone want to be them and and what it does then it's like it's though if somebody is it all self effacing or quiet or it sticks to the shadows you wonder how that poor person's ever going to survive in the New World Order can you spot a narcissist just by looking through their Instagram feed ish I mean I think that yes and no amazing you want to be careful let's face it I listen I don't even run my own social media have an amazing team that does but I post everyday but I rarely see an image of me on there you'll see information that we as a team have bought together information about narcissism interesting quotes about it interesting videos and every so often I'll post an image of me someplace you're talking about something or anything like that but by and large you know I think what you'll see is lots of really heavily edited selfies this selfie in front of every single event in their life from the Eiffel Tower to the breakfast cereal and it's a constant need if it happens multiple times a day I also think there's some little tricky things people don't know to look for a Jemma like lots of passive-aggressive stuff or woe is me like don't you hate it when your friends don't call you to join you at their party I'm really looking forward to my Netflix night that sort of vision me stuff don't don't be surprised if there's a little bit of narcissism lurking behind that as though they're so validation seeking they want people to say no no I'd love to spend an evening with you so jealous I can't be there for the great Netflix drama so it's a really is that there's more little hidden clues in a person's Instagram feed that can give you that flair for that then you didn't so here's what I don't get okay so I I've identified those similar posts when I've been browsing Instagram but what I don't understand is why people follow like how do they have so many followers what is it that makes us want to follow that kind of person I think there's a lot of things that you know that might pull for somebody being follower ball is the imagery they're posting the message they're putting forth the fame quotient I think that you know the funny thing about social media is there's almost a strange implication that somehow you know the person you're friends with the person so if somebody famous I don't know famous football star famous musician or something like that they'll have millions and millions and millions and millions of followers and I think that the followers maybe they're such a fan that they want to know when a concert it's going to be or soccer match is going to be played or something like that so it becomes a source of information but for all of us are ordinary folks why and gets followed is it likely is imagery it may very well be resonance there may be sort of a cool factor or an in factor that imagine every influence are out there trying to distill and sometimes it's outrageousness I mean it could be a sex appeal to the point where you're wandering on it's almost skirting the bounds of propriety so it may be somebody who posts lots of very suggestive photos or you know that there's a promise of more to come all of those things can be pulling for it but I think you know as anybody who's working in the new media knows a lot of it is consistency that people keep posting and posting and posting and posting so obviously this is either a full-time job or it's something they spend most of their time on I really want to talk more about the new book but first I just have to address some of the comments we had on the last video that we recorded last year they were overwhelming and they were from people who had really suffered in relationships with narcissists and then I came across this term post narcissistic stress disorder is this a real condition and what does it look like it's funny we're all struggling with the word that the word I'm using more and more in my work and trying to do more consistent empirical research on it's narcissistic abuse and so one could argue that I guess if somebody suffers narcissistic abuse they could offer they would experience some sort of post narcissistic stress disorder it's an interesting term but absolutely there's a syndrome you rather consistently see of a person who survived a narcissistic relationship and this the people at the end of a narcissistic relationship or who are still in one report lots of self-doubt second-guessing anxiety depression problems with sleep problems with concentrations helplessness hopelessness feelings of worthlessness feelings of being foolish and a sense of how I don't know understand how I got here sometimes people even say like I don't even like who I've become I'm not even the old me and so it's almost like a loss of their prior identity I'm actually developing a scale to formally address the the phenomenon of narcissistic abuse right now and so it's a very real phenomenon but it's obviously not post-traumatic stress disorder the symptoms aren't leveled of some people if their narcissistic relationship was also accompanied by violence or other forms of significant abuse may look like they have PTSD if they're really if the abuse didn't last long enough it may not qualify for complex PTSD so it's really kind of in its own space and the biggest problem Gemma is most people don't get it so when they try to explain it to someone else the person their friend will say oh you're gonna therapist sometimes say well why don't you just explain it to them and I'm like there's nothing worse you could tell someone who's dealing with a narcissist and to explain it to them narcissists don't listen they devalue they disrespect so there's no way they're ever going to listen to somebody trying to reason with them which is why people who are in this sort of this person called a post narcissistic stress syndrome are so frustrated helpless confused that's another thing we see a lot too it's horrible I mean I cannot tell you how horrible this phenomenon is and I really again devoted my career at this point to working with individuals who are going through this because I feel like they don't have enough advocates in the mental health field on that point of living with or being in a relationship with a narcissist is there a best way to handle a narcissist when they are trying to hurt you let's Gemma just for the sake of you know just to make it easier let's take physical violence out of this because obviously that's its own space right so when they're trying to hurt you with their words okay I always tell people it's almost like one golden rule and it's the only golden rule you need don't engage with them and by don't engage with them I mean don't don't take their bait don't defend yourself don't personalize what they're saying they are capable of saying such hateful hurtful things and lashing out but there's no point in engaging with them so the best way is to not remain serene remain calm step away if you can and and if they just want to keep like the rolling a whole series of words at you just almost retreat into your own head and realize that this person is just angry at the world and you're just part of the world so they're angry at you too and don't personalize it and that's the key and that's probably the only way to do it is to not engage with them one lady who said she was married to a narcissist she left a comment underneath the video we recorded last year and she said that her husband twists everything she says is that a common trait and if so should she just take the same advice you just gave so what they're twisting everything that you say is often falls under the larger rubric of something called gas lighting and gas lighting is a denial of the reality of another person and it is considered to be a form of emotional abuse in her case my guess is she's enduring a lot of gas lighting and they do narcissistic people really do twist reality to suit themselves and reject everyone else's we all don't really doubt other people's reality same thing what is so hard is that when you're under that much emotional abuse that much invalidation that much dehumanization all the time it's very easy to lose touch with your own reality you literally feel like you're going insane which is why people who are going through narcissistic relationships it becomes so important for them to be in therapy with a good therapist who understands narcissism so they can keep making sure that that person understands that your reality is still very real this person can't take it away so but the problem is Gemma a lot of people particularly women often don't value their own reality they often take on the reality that other people give them and so as a result they don't somebody else can come along and if they're insistent enough twist your reality there listen there's in the in the annals of psychological research we've even seen it we see it with Solomon Ash's or at least social psych studies that if enough people tell you an alternate reality you will go along with it you know it's it's why many horrible things have happened in history so there's no reason why it can't just happen in the confines of an individual's relationship so I'm intrigued by by this how and I don't know whether there is an answer to it how does a narcissist choose who to target the way narcissists choose how to target it varies but one thing that there you know I can definitely I did identify for you patterns you of what makes a person more vulnerable to it but in terms of what the narcissist targets number one they target someone who stick around long enough you know a lot of people like someone like me you come and talk to me in here narcissist I'm gonna actually step I'm literally gonna step away from the conversation I've got my whole list of excuses bathroom my kid needs to be picked up my kids are old enough to drive I still use it as an excuse but I just need I need to get myself out and then they've lost me I'm not going to go back most people have better manners than me so they keep talking to them another thing narcissists do is they tell their sad tale of woe very early in a relationship I was abused I was traumatized all these terrible things happened to me I didn't get a fair start in life woe is me woe is me woe is me and if they meet someone who's a rescuer they may often say ah I want to rescue this person they've had such a hard life they deserve to be loved first of all it makes you wonder what this person's boundaries are about that they're making such big personal traumatic revelations to you before the coffee is served at the end of the meal it really it sometimes could often feel more like a manipulation so they look for people who stick around who listen who buy their story who they also look for people who they also value for some other reason people who are incredibly beautiful attractive wealthy have great bodies powerful have status have some form of celebrity something that makes them valuable that's definitely something else that narcissists are drawn to as well does a narcissist ever feel sadness in and pain like the rest of us and if so what would cause them to feel sadness I would argue that narcissists feel sadness and pain all the time because they're so insecure look after you one forgets about the narcissist because they're so combative because they're so read because they're so entitled and grandiose and always seeming to gun for a fight everyone assumes are really confident so great about themselves they don't they're insanely fragile so they constantly feel threatened by the world that's why if you're with a narcissist and you have an accomplishment they'll always say oh that's nothing who cares or why do you always talk about yourself they will minimize anything good that happens in other people's lives why is that because they're so insecure walking around the world that insecure all the time that cannot be pleasant so their sadness tends to come out as irritability victimhood anger and rage it doesn't look like what we would traditionally term sort of weeping sad withdrawn sadness maybe the victimhood looks a little bit like that but it's more that they're angry at the world nothing's ever ever fair nothing ever goes my way you know versus I'm so disappointed that this didn't turn out my way how am I going to get over this you see the difference one is blaming their world the other is taking ownership of the feeling some that person has narcissist he can't take ownership there was a viewer of our last episode who rather than telling me he'd been affected by a narcissist he said I'm a narcissist what should I do is there no hope for me and he said I'm letting a lot of people down and I know I should feel something now I want to just remind all viewers and listeners that this podcast should not be considered a means of receiving personal clinical or medical advice however dr. Romani if anyone out there listening thinks they might be a narcissist and can they get help can they learn this behavior here's what's tricky if somebody is narcissistic but you and there's more and more content out there about it starting to say this is me I've had many clients that say you know what I actually don't care about other people's feelings I don't care what they don't care anything about them but I actually would love to be in a normal relationship how do I make myself care I have to say that a narcissist who really wants to commit to this kind of work it's going to be very hard work like almost like scaling as a sheer a sheer face of a mountain and the reason is this is because they have to be on it every single day every single day they need to be paying attention like really caring what the other person is saying which for them is exhausting because it's some inherent level they don't care our terms of work in therapy than also becomes how do they do the deep dive into the core of their own insecurities listen from many people who are narcissistic neglect trauma or abuse can be in their history and it may require some unpacking of that we can't unring those bells of trauma but we can definitely assign different meaning to them that kind of work can be incredibly important for somebody who has that background and is narcissistic I think that a lot of it becomes very self-reflective can you imagine how this person felt when you said that most narcissus I've worked with in therapy and I've worked with a lot will say yeah I get that I can see why that hurt them but more often than not what they'll tell me Jemma is and I can't stop myself in the moment what they have a hard time getting there around there their heads around is that they want to react the way they want and they want to apologize and it's hard for them to get the idea that that doesn't work for most people you can't keep making messes I'm thinking cleaning it up is enough once you slap someone across the face even if you apologize the slap still stinks so I would say that for a person who is narcissistic it would mean very long-term therapy with a very compassionate consistent therapist who's willing to get in there with them but it's not easy because many times narcissistic people are very contemptuous of the therapist they're very contemptuous of close relationships it's exhausting for the therapist it's exhausting for everyone around the narcissist and it's also heartbreaking for the narcissist who actually may want to make change it's a slow burn sometimes narcissists can make enough change that it might be enough for a spouse or enough for someone else is it probably at the level of a healthy functioning person in a relationship probably not if more and more of us are becoming narcissists and it's becoming the new normal are we learning this behavior it's not that we've suddenly loads of us are being born narcissists it's a learned behavior is that right what but when you say it like that one see more and more of us are becoming narcissists that's not the case it's not like someone at 30 years old it's good one two getting to be nice person and then wake up one day and start becoming more narcissistic it doesn't work that way this is a very developmental arc that happens over the lifespan it has a lot to do with it it has to do with early relationships it has to do with how rewards were given in their household it has to do with how emotion was managed in their household it has a little bit to do with inborn temperament how that child came into the world it has to do with what we value in society the fact is in one family system you can have one deeply narcissistic sibling and other siblings who are incredibly healthy and kind so even within the same family things can go differently that's where that temperament piece matters what is happening though is this is my hypothesis and I'm not you know this is what one woman hypothesis based on the read of the literature and everything and something I get into index in the book is this idea that people the way we're raising our kids they're simultaneously being overindulged here's an iPad here's this you can do this go get the soccer trophy go get the prize at school go get to the best university you know do ballet excel excel excel but at the same time those children who are almost being suffocated or helicoptered by their parents are not getting your emotional needs met nobody everybody wants to hear about them getting top marks in school or doing well and whatever they do or being good obedient kids or giving their parents narcissistic supply but is anyone really sitting with these kids and saying how are you feeling and can you share that feeling with me and letting their children be comfortable with emotion this is something we're really lacking in our societies especially with boys boys are not given this opportunity it's a lot of contempt for emotion and boys and men until we can get past that you're gonna keep generating more and more narcissists and then you put that against things like technology and how abruptly we communicate and things like the erosion of the idea of the extended family and the tribe and people caring about each other polarize political discourse social media I mean it's a petri dish somebody who already has those narcissistic tendencies the conditions the way the world is now is almost guaranteeing that that that the fire will burn and burn big okay so it's not necessarily so many more narcissists exist it's that we're generating narcissistic behavior and normalizing it in society so back to the brand-new book now you have said quote it's time for a wake-up call it's time to stem the tide of narcissism entitlement and antagonism and take our lives back so what steps can we begin to do to take our lives back I would say number one stop engaging with them stop engaging stop defending start personalizing I don't know a single person I work with obviously my clients on bias even in my amongst my friends I don't know one who doesn't have at least one significant narcissist in their lives and so you can come up with more realistic technical techniques about a - if you maintain realistic expectations and radical acceptance you can really set boundaries that are very solid and then and then then you can almost keep the narcisse's at bay doesn't mean they're not going to make your life difficult it doesn't mean that they're not an annoyance all those things are in place but a you can keep better boundaries or hopefully nodding to get into the relationships in the first place the second thing I tell people is don't just because they're playing a really dirty ground game doesn't mean you have to do it to that I tell people you do you you get it right and they'll say but they're saying all these terrible things I said so what just because they're saying terrible things there's no win here because you say them - if you can let it go and not get in the mud with them the best thing that happens is you don't get any mud on you and on my new book I talk about this concept of 10 your own garden everybody is so concerned with what the narcissists are getting away with I tell people tend to your own little patch of the world you know you clean up your own stuff and you do your own thing you you you plant your seeds you tend your garden you water it you read it and don't worry if the narcissus throw some trash in your garden pick it up throw it out if we all of us who are good solid compassionate people keep tending to our own patches of garden before you know it we can have a rather interlink sort of space in the world that is a lot healthier and not characterized by as much narcissism I also tell people turn off the news from time to time get away from your social media it can be a very polarized space it can be very uni dimensional it can make us think the world is a far more toxic place than it really is next it's what I call the 90/10 approach to life right now I guarantee that many of you out there listening to this you give 90 percent of your effort and energy to the most narcissistic toxic people in your life giving only 10% to the good kind people in your life why because those good kind people are gonna do it right by you whether you give them 10% 1% they're just good people but we give so much effort to the toxic people because we're all caught in this game of trying to please them trying them win to win them over like we're trying to win over an unwinnable parent flip the mask give 90% to the good people in your life just give 10% throw crumbs to the narcissist the bullies and the toxic people it's such a better use of resource because now all the good people then will be giving to each other next stop giving second chance and since I'm not a fan of second chances which makes me sound really harsh but second chances is how we enable narcissists and it's how they've already gotten so much power when somebody behaves in a really unacceptable way they've just shown you what they're capable of judge them on that basis it'll save you a lot of heartache down the road if someone has a parent or a sibling who is pretty narcissistic and they're thinking that it's now and they're thinking how do I give them 10% because they're quite they're quite prevalent in their lives and how do you do that with a mother or father suddenly go a bit cold with them because you can do it without them necessarily knowing it remember narcissists not listening to you in the first place so the all this extra effort you're expending to actually listen to their idiotic dull boring story it's an utter waste of time you could be making a grocery list you could be workings of math problem in your head and use not Wow interesting amazing Wow that that's absolutely amazing gosh oh god you aren't amazing just if you literally can make a little talking box that can throw that back at them do be concise they would be content and understand what they you know what they want and I think a lot of people say I don't want play the game by their rules watch almost knew you've been playing the game by their rules for decades so why all of a sudden now do you want to change it again you're not going to change the game with narcissus it's always the key element they don't change if your honor that knowledge that they don't change now your especially with a parent you don't have to give them the best of yourself figure out what the bare minimum you need to do is and do it you don't have to leave their lives but while you're there stop giving over so much of yourself and and then set a timer you go over there gonna be a dinner so the timer one for two hours the timer goes off say pretend it's your phone ring I've got an emergency I gotta run get out get out before it gets too toxic too many people with narcisse's stay at the table for too long in a cycle of your book you used the word incivility as well now what aspects of modern life were you thinking of when you decided to use the word incivility where it really came from and you know a lot of the inspiration for this obviously after the 2016 election in the United States obviously 50 a little over little under little under 50% of Americans were happy with the outcome and 50% were not only unhappy they were scared and upset and concerned families got pulled apart I had never seen none of us as therapists had ever seen such an influx of patients into our office at the same time it was it was almost unprecedented like you would see this only after like a natural disaster or something and it was it was difficult because like I said out there I live in Los Angeles so obviously in Los Angeles was a city where most people weren't happy with the outcome it has nothing to do with a person's actual politics but when I saw that one of the most difficult things up during that entire campaign season in the United States and after the election was how cruel the political discourse had become it was about bullying it was about insulting it was about attacking it was about making a horrible statements about entire groups of people entire immigrant groups entire genders and did people with disabilities like no rule was sacred and that discourse has become normalized as though somehow it's almost viewed as a sign of strength to speak in a horrifying rude dismissive way of other people it's like dropping poison in a well people are gonna get sick you it's not an appropriate way to talk there's reasons we teach children from a very young age how to be civil with each other it's probably one of the first lessons they learn in their first day of nursery or preschool or kindergarten you need to use nice tone you have to speak in a nice word if a child in school spoke the way the President of the United States spoke they would be expelled from schools so why is it okay for the leader of a country and listen British politics are no better you know it's person after person or in in the houses of parliament in the UK and houses of parliament all over the world that speak in ways that wouldn't be acceptable in a child in kindergarten but somehow are acceptable in world leaders that's people speaking on all political sides as well using sides it's not it's all sides it's not even like I said this isn't just one side is right once I just want everybody is doing this everybody and to me that instability whether it's a world leader saying inappropriate things or somebody's screaming at somebody else because they took their parking spot in a car park or in a parking lot the instability is everyone so two final questions you've gotta go um firstly you talked about very public attacks and rhetoric and politics there social media played a major role in that and still does what would your top tips be for dealing with aggressors on social media so if you're on Twitter and someone really wants a route with you what's your tactic block them it's block one and what if they get angry that you blocked them well that you shouldn't even be able to see it anymore because now that you've blocked them do you understand what I'm saying I think people I don't see the point in engaging with this it it once again you're doing exactly what I said not to you're defending yourself against narcissists because most internet trolls are narcissists I don't think I've ever met one who's not okay so if we know that the internet trolls almost without exception are narcissistic and then think it's appropriate to have this kind of discourse in public there's no point in the in exchange you can have any you can have the most difficult conversation in the world in a civil manner and if a person can't find that capacity for civility they're not worth engaging with it's not good for your health so I would say block ones I think the reason I asked you what if they get angry if you block them is because I imagined their hordes of followers would come after you because they would have discovered you blocked them and then you've got a whole other route with all these followers of the narcissists but I guess you've got them to mark them too I mean the only way it looks like any you want to stop a fire you kill its air supply you want to stop a person you kill it air supply and what's their air supply it's conflict contempt and contention I don't play like that anybody take I block it you want to I've had numerous people ask me very different little questions in a very civil manner I am more than happy to have that conversation with them but the minute they make it an attack I'm done I don't have time - life's too short and my mental health is - too precious and one final question if that if there is a single thing that a parent can do to help prevent their child from becoming selfish and entitled growing up in this world what would that one thing be to not be selfish and entitled themselves number one and number two to teach them empathy prior to the age of seven or eight and that means really teaching it to them well instead of just putting an iPad or a movie in front of them watch the movie with them and when there's a moment where empathy is needed one character is hurt by another stop the movie and say how do you think he feels so instead of children just blindly consuming media it can actually become a place of teaching empathy play board games with them then they understand things like frustration and disappointment but more than anything what a parent needs to do is nurture their child's emotional world and emotional vocabulary that is where we learn that when we are children that is not something you can learn when you're 35 you need to learn it when you're five and parents need to be comfortable with their own emotions before they can do it for a child so to every father out there get your emotional house in order so you can teach a man what it really is to be a man not to be strong and be able to to make lots of money or lift heavy things but to be comfortable and vulnerable with your own emotions and for mothers to be doing the same and for fathers to be doing this for their daughters and mothers for their sons this is absolutely critical and until we can get more comfortable with our emotions and teach children to be genuinely secure people that they're not the measure of whether and they got a soccer goal or whether they got all good marks in school or whether they're pretty or whether they can spin on their toes or got a trophy but rather that every child is more than enough and is loved for being who they are we're gonna continue seeing this and that's all a parent needs to do love their child fully deeply and authentically thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us dr. Romney I know that my viewers a list has really value your insights hugely remind us where we can follow you on social media you can follow me on all social media at dr. Romney do ctor ra MA and I my website is dr. Ramani com it's do ctor - RA MA and i com and my new book which releases in a matter of weeks is available for Amazon on pre-order ads and it's Amazon Barnes & Noble you can even ask your local bookseller to stock it and it's called don't you know who I am how to stay sane in an era of narcissism entitlement and incivility and then my other book is called should I stay or should I go surviving a relationship with a narcissist and that's already available you read those two books you will be the narcissism Jedi Warriors you'll never come near you again so this episode is going to release towards the end of September so walden might be on sale then yeah yeah there might be a little bit of a little hiccup in the UK because it has to get over the sea but I'm gonna start getting my advance copies as soon as next week so which means Amazon warehouses will start getting million and health AGA's listeners and viewers I'm going to put links to where you can get hold of dr. Romney's book in this summary text beneath this thank you so much doctor so much so much all this applause well YouTube viewers I really appreciate you watching that video it would be wonderful if you hit the red subscribe button it costs you nothing and it means that you'll get notified whenever I post a health ackers video you can follow me on social media - handles right beneath me I love hearing from you buh bye [Music] you
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Keywords: Relationship with a narcissist, doctor ramani, Dr Ramani, Doctor Ramani, Ramani Durvasula, how to handle a narcissist, toxic people, bullying help, relationship advice, divorce, Gemma Evans, gemma evans, health hackers, Health Hackers, Healthhackers, health podcast, entitled people, parenting tips, post narcissistic stress disorder, Narcissistic abuse survivor, Don't You Know Who I Am?: How to Stay Sane in an Era of Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility
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Published: Thu Sep 19 2019
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