Total Microsoft Recall!

well speaking of things that are everywhere um Microsoft has been talking about and demoing this feature that is everywhere all over your computer it's called recall and it's an AI based feature I would say where basically this is an oversimplification but what it's basically doing is watching everything you're doing on your computer so that anytime you want to ask the AI about something that you done previously it has that context and can tell you so you could go what was that movie I was looking up yesterday and then it can just oh oh I remember I took a screenshot every 5 seconds for the last 15 years I remember exactly what you're talking about and it can tell you and this goes back to my theory about AIS which are it has to know a ton about you to be helpful and so here is an exact representation of that tradeoff this is probably a very helpful feature but it knows everything you do on your computer and it's up to Microsoft to protect that information somehow and naturally all the articles about how uh it can potentially be exploited can I bring up a tweet I had about this that had a lot of I don't want to say backlash I think it was like all super super reasonable responses to it that I agree with all of them but I just said like I see why people hate this it feels creepy but I think it's awesome and could be useful um and then I also said I don't get why it's not opt in defaulting it is really weird and like I still think there is some kind of interesting things about this it feels almost like a fear-mongering tactic of like if you don't have this enabled what if you get to that point where you realize it could have been useful and then you're like wish I had that enabled and then you enable it but I do agree with everything that's been said which is one Microsoft claims they're not scraping data from it but like why should we believe a trillion dollar company that is telling you they're not going to make money off of something that could make them money always be skeptical of that it does seem like a like it's just watching you all the time that's weird you can disable some things uh so it's not looking in like certain apps and stuff and then also I don't get why it's opt out and not only is it opt out it's it like pops up in a screen when you're setting up the new thing and says what it's doing but there's no slider to agree there you have to go into the settings after you finish the setup and actually opt out of it which all feels really sketchy let me play Dell's Advocate it's an OP out feature that knows everything that's on your device but is an assistant that can help you so is Siri so is Google assistant so is Alexa none of those are taking screenshots of your bank information so I think the way they describe it of taking screenshots makes it feel worse 100% but how does Siri not have all of the same downsides Siri plugs into your contacts knows all of your contacts it's not screenshots but it knows all of your contact it knows everything about all the things you've ever asked Siri to do all the quer you've ever had and it's all encrypted and on device and shouldn't ever be sold to any advertisers it still doesn't have screenshots of my bank account and other like right is that I think the main thing is that these are physical screenshots of things you do on your computer my bigger concern is that this is Microsoft which traditionally has made all of its money from businesses and like getting fleets of computers to businesses and what happens when your employer is like you cannot turn this off and I have access to everything that you've ever looked at on your computer so your employer just has like unfettered access to your it's like one of those things where you're like I don't want you to see everything but then it like obviously everybody at some point during their workday is doing something not work rated and that's just what happens in real life but like you feel you can't like run what I'm ordering Taco Bell right now on this podcast theoretically shouldn't be able to like remotely access it but I did read that if you have admin access you can look at any users stuff yeah okay so what's that so the what I understand Microsoft to be saying is oh yeah this is all private like yes it is using screenshots to remember everything but it's not storing them in some way that could be stolen somehow it's supposed to encrypt them and then no one can ever use these screenshots other than this feature that's how I understand it to be explained but supposed to is heavy lifting yeah what I hear is it's not exactly I feel like a lot of people are getting nervous about this too because everyone understands screenshots if you tell someone that using an Android phone like Google is keeping your data and they're tracking you and they like have all these complicated algorithms that know where you're going algorithms people are like abstractly aware that Google's tracking them but these are like physical screenshots so that's what everyone's like wait I know what that is that's weird I I think that's weird it's it's like if Microsoft was a person they would just be over your shoulder at all times looking at every single thing you do and that's just like feels really creepy every five seconds but so there was there was somebody who's a cyber security expert who was looking into more how uh recall works and what he found is that the even though it's encrypted if you're an admin on the computer there's a local folder called a app data and all of them everything's just listed there in plain text so like if you were an admin on a computer even though it's encrypted from outside if you're in that position on the computer as the user physically or I'm assuming even remote if you're controlling the computer remotely and it thinks it's locally you can just have access to those screenshots and even though you can say like don't take screenshots of you can uh select different programs that you want it to so like let's say you disable Chrome anytime Chrome is open it will take the screenshots but it's not going to show anything that's in Chrome but if you don't it can't tell the difference between what is like a password field or sensitive information field so if you do have show password on or your bank information or venmo or PayPal or anything that has to do with your finances all of that stuff is now stored in a folder that is accessible as an admin yeah I've just been reading this this article which seems insane right it seems incredibly poorly thought out it's extremely poorly I was like is it a like what is a plain text of a screenshot is it literally is it like a hash and then it's you can't get the information from it but it seems like it's literally all of the most useful information is because the way that this feature works is it takes the screenshot and then the AI like interprets the text on the screenshot and the images on the screenshot so that when you ask for things contextually it can pull up the right one that exhibits those features which like in theory this all is cool with as long as you it's like 20 asteris yeah yeah it's like at the core this is kind of a cool idea but there are just so many flaws and like creepy and potential security risks associated with it that it's really hard I just as an employee would be absolutely terrified even at home like I would be pretty worried about this just like if somebody does get into your account yeah you're kind of just screwed you're cooked that's you're cooked my other get cooked bro my other dev's Advocate was going to be if someone gets so far into your computer that they've logged into the admin into your account like you're already screwed beyond anything that this could do any employer has the admin access yeah that any employer has an admin access and also it could potentially just literally have passwords in plain text I it's that's what it sounds like it could just have passwords in plain text which would be pretty bad yeah it would have to be in the situation where like you type in a password and it has show yeah and then it takes a screenshot at that time but if it's taking a screenshot every 5 Seconds that's something that Happ every five seconds if the screen is different oh if the screen is different yeah Fair it's super plausible that passwords could be listed in there pretty easily especially with how often you have to change them now when I'm double entering passwords in like to confirm I usually have show open just cuz I'm typing the 18th iteration of the same password I've had ever and I need to make sure it's actually or you click the little I thing to see if you typed it correctly before you hit enter yeah and there are hackers and stuff that will like Trojan Horse your computer or whatever and then like just wait for you to input this information and like have that access already and steal your information yeah but this way they don't even need to do that yeah they don't have to wait I feel like you're devil's advocate of like you're already screwed when you get that far into it it's like now it's just easier because maybe before they get into it and then it's like well now we have to wait now it's like we get into it and I just have it all and I don't even need to wait anymore it's just mine wow it all feels uh rough and I get I think I'll take back my I think this feature is cool well I think the idea I think the idea is cool and I don't think there's a company out there that I would trust do I also just don't know like from a very theoretical highle perspective it seems like a cool idea but I can't actually Trace back to a time when I would have used this and now that it's out there I bet you'll find a time at some point within the next year where like that may have been helpful maybe but is it worth it we talk all the time about oh like potential like what if the Humane device was recording things and you could be like oh what was oh you know like recall back it's like a helpful memory of something like this is it on your computer and we spend a lot of time on computers rewind pendant that is on your pretty much that was an idea that's why that's why I keep saying the idea is cool but the execution is so hard I I still love the idea of a of an assistant that knows everything about you and can do whatever but we keep asking these assistants to get better with context like even remember the early days of Google Assistant we' we'd want to just say a question and it knows the context the previous question or I'd say who's the coach of the Denver Nuggets and then I'll go how tall is he and it remembers the previous question it's just all about having good context and we want to give it as much good context as possible so it can actually answer but the more context you try to give it the more data the more information it has to know about you and what you're doing and what you've been asking and what you've been trying to do and that's why some of the ones but also a lot of data yeah that's that's basically what it is it's really hard to think like Microsoft says they're not going to scrape any of this data but as a company that's focusing so much on AI how useful would it be to have screenshots every 5 Seconds of everybody that uses your computers companies say things all the time and then they end up having done the thing that they said they weren't going to do all the time that one's just a all the time yeah I think best case scenario is they don't scrape anything right now and then they change their priorities on it and say we are going to scrape on it my tinf foil hat is that they ran out of things to scrape and this just gives them a bucket of more stuff to scrape for a bigger llm is this feature out yet yes like it's officially out the recall I don't think it's officially out yet I think there's some test versions but that computer is not out yet either yeah true yeah so it comes out on June 18th apparently do you think they'll restructure how they do this by then no I think they just what if it's encrypted for real and like every time you want to use this feature you have to like decrypt it about would that make it less creepy name the one thing that could this could do that would make you trust Microsoft doing this well what could Microsoft say that makes you trust them cancel it I I think what he's saying would like I have my own decryption like add an extra layer of friction for me to decry it can't be stored in PL text it has to be stored in an encrypted way that is only unencrypt by some additional steps so it's not actually viewable by anyone and it's not ever uploaded anywhere and it it's useful still yeah I think that's that's the only way to make this work I guess even in that sense though do you still trust that Microsoft being the person who is doing the encryption aspect of it do you trust them to not be I mean as long as it's not some of their some weird encryption algorithm that proprietary to their thing like if they use a regular encryption algorithm that's I don't know about encryption but I would just assume that if Microsoft is selling me something they can have access to if they want to I'm not saying they're going to skepticism has to be there any trillion dollar compan Apple does the same exact thing oh yeah so you don't trust it Apple's so does Google I mean most of them is like I've just taken the the account of like I don't trust them but I like the feature they're doing so I'm okay with that this is just seems like the step further of like information I say that I especially don't trust Microsoft like they are like business business money money money business money and apple is money money Mone money but they are from you we're going to make the money from you not business I think what I read from that is how bad of a PR disaster would it be if they got caught scraping and it wouldn't be as bad for Microsoft as it would for other more consumer facing companies I think it's not as bad for Microsoft because people expect them to be doing it already yeah so no one's surprised if it's a person who buys a Windows laptop and it's like oh Microsoft is very very business focused they're not losing business customers because I feel like it's still would though they wouldn't use I don't think they'd lose business customers cuz the business they might gain some business customers yeah I was going to say the businesses want more unfettered access to that kind of stuff that might be true but I think you're right that like if it was a more personal Computing company like apple which makes almost all of its money off the consumers that would be a PR disaster for them yeah apple gets caught selling your information from your iPhone like a very different very different headlight like when if they would sell like your searches to like some other trillion dollar search company like that would be crazy crazy secretly it would be crazy but it's yeah Google yeah Adam though I think that that was a pretty Salient point about the fact that it is literally screenshots that's something people can understand if they if they were not showing the physical screenshots and they were taking them behind the scenes but like not showing them just scraping them and then deleting them automatically and just saying like we're taking the context off of your computer so you can just search things I don't think people would be freaking out as much as the idea that it's literally a screenshot that you can like View um even though it's the same thing seems too easy yeah yeah they should have explained it a different way they should have just not exped scen AI is doing it all see the screenshots when you the semantic computer vision to reconstruct previous iterations of your activity pixel by pixel to understand how to help you in the future higher Mar taking a screenshot fantastic and and Tech nerds would have found that out and made articles anyway but it would have made less headlines than Microsoft going yeah we're taking screenshots every 5 Seconds what you're doing it is funny that like all these features that we have been saying for literally decades that would be really amazing to have that are in all these Sci-Fi movies and all this kind of stuff now that we're actually starting to come to terms with them existing we're realizing how terrifying they all are have you ever seen her you haven't freaking watch that movie I did watch D I know I was like you didn't you didn't watch d last night you sent me a picture of you not watching Dune no I sent you a picture of me turning on the 1984 version of Dune wow just up until the title card and then one other weird floating guy you I didn't why did yeah you could have watched her you could have watched her didn't watch anything why you guys boycotting this movie right now I'm not boycotting it I'm have a six-month-old it's hard to watch movies do not have the time someday anyway flights coming up I feel like recall is like the computer version of Google photos search like what is my license plate Google's doing this in photos and everyone's fine but I'm taking the photos in Google that's a h yeah Microsoft is taking the photos on this imagine the differ if Google photos was always taking a shot of whatever my camera was seeing every 5 seconds I would not trust that anymore that was thing gole the pendant feature or whatever oh the recall pendant that's cuz no one believed that was ever going to work were you going to bring up the the new project the maps feature that you can just open Google Maps and see every single place you've ever been and for how long yeah I find that awesome location I'm more okay with just like my pin being so like I guess I I shouldn't say okay but I know it's happening there's just something more about like seeing what I'm doing every no no no I agreed look at my screen yeah it feels like Google Google knowing that much about where I've been is equally creepy but somehow it's less creepy than like screenshots of my screen all the time yeah like if my Android phone was like not only do I know that you were in this city but here's what you were doing on your phone at that moment I'd be more weirded it's always the things that are like not at the Forefront of your screen that are the most damaging like I don't know if you've ever been like making a video and you need to like screen record your browser and when you open fire it'll be like 16 pages that it thinks you might want to go to and one of them is like ooh yeah yeah one of them is you leaving a bad review on doing the movie and you don't want anyone to know that so hey thanks for watching this clip wait wait wait before before you go before you go this is actually an unskippable Clips outro so you you can't skip to the end so we'll make it pretty short but just wanted to say make sure you subscribe and uh watch other 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Published: Thu Jun 13 2024