- [Karamo] Today on "Karamo"... - I am attracted to women. - Are you in a romantic
relationship with Laniki? - Absolutely not. - [Karamo] Is she seducing his girlfriend? - Yeah, we're girls, so we get a little touchy.
(audience exclaiming) - What do you mean we get
a little touchy-touchy? A shocking confession reveal. - I am... (audience exclaiming) - You serious? - [Karamo] Plus... - You threw away our
relationship over a wig. - So how damaged was the wig? Girl, she done plucked this. (audience clapping and cheering) (upbeat music) (audience clapping and cheering) All right, is there a friend or a family member that you've given maybe
just a few too many details about your relationship to, and now they have some opinions? Well, that's what's happening
with my next guest, Jerome. He says he wanted his girlfriend and best friend to be close. Now they've gone on vacations together and spent a lot of time together. But recently, he started to
see some major red flags, that made him question his
girlfriend's dedication to the relationship. Jerome actually believes
that his best friend, Laniki, has slowly been seducing his girlfriend. (audience gasping) Right? A mess. Help me welcome Jerome to the show. (audience clapping)
(upbeat music) Hey, Jerome. How you doing, man? - How you doing, sir? - Come on, take a seat, brother. So Jerome, you gotta start off, tell me about your
relationship with Carla. - All right, well, me and Carla, we met about five years ago. - Yes. - She caught my eye on Facebook. - Oh, you're a beautiful couple, okay. - Yeah, she's beautiful to me. She's still beautiful to me. So I end up inboxing her, and everything went well. We started hooking up,
spending time together, but I didn't really have
any strong feelings for her or anything at the moment, you know? She was good company though. But a tragedy happened to
me about three years ago. - And you said that strengthened
the bond, the tragedy? - Yeah.
- What was that tragedy that happened? - About three years ago,
on September 5th, 2019, I was off work that day, and I was with my friends,
spending time drinking, just enjoying my off day. Later on that night, me and
one of my closest friends, something like a brother, Marquis, he came over, we grabbed
something to eat, came back, sat in front of my
mother's house in his car. I'm waiting for him to eat his food so I could go back in the house. I'm hearing gunshots. I'm hearing a lot of gunshots,
I got my eyes closed. We're in a rough neighborhood, so I'm not overreacting at the gunshots. I hear gunshots often, unfortunately. - Yeah. - All of a sudden, I feel
something hit my side. - [Karamo] Mm. - And I look to my right, I see, basically, gunfire
all around the car. While I'm looking, a bullet flies straight through the window and shatters the window
on the left-hand side. So at this moment, I'm
realizing that we're targeted. Like, I don't know what's
going on, you know? So when that bullet shattered that window, I see that I gotta get
out the car to survive, you understand me? So I open the car door and I fall on the ground and play dead. I fall on the ground, I
roll under the car halfway. I'm still hearing gunshots, I don't still know what's going on. I finally hear no gunshots, so I muster up everything in
me and run into the house. - So you were shot, which I'm so sorry that happened to you, and because of that, your
girl stood by your side? - [Jerome] Yeah, she did. - [Karamo] Okay, tell me about that. - So the incident caused
a lot of confusion, a lot of rumors and all that, because I lost my friend
from the incident. I realized at the
hospital that he was gone. Still, I'm confused on what happened. There's a lot of rumors and speculation on why he's gone and I'm still here and why did it happen in front
of my family member's house. So I lost a lot of friends. I had a lot of family support, but I lost a lot of friends from it. And Carla was one of the
people that stayed with me. - [Karamo] Makes sense. - Yeah, she had the whole ride with me. She rolled with me from my
healing process through recovery. And so we went from a
friendship to a relationship. - [Karamo] She held you down. - Yeah. - Beautiful, I love that. (audience clapping) So when did you start to suspect then that Carla was cheating
with your best friend? - (sighs) Well, we spent
a lot of time together, we kinda like the Three Amigos. - [Karamo] Uh-huh. - And over the summer, we
was spending time together, we took a trip to
Virginia, Virginia Beach. And while we were taking that trip, they got extremely close. I'm saying, like, I'm
in the room by myself, you know, me and Carla had a room, I'm in the room by myself most of the time while she's at Laniki's room with her. They spending time, they doing TikToks. I understand girls bond, but it's a little more than a bond. - So what signs have you
seen to make you believe that they had a sexual relationship? - Carla's been acting real
weird since that trip. Like, when her phone goes
off her, she seems sneaky. She doesn't talk on the phone
around me that much anymore. Her texts, she don't
let me see their texts. Every time her phone goes
off, she says it's Laniki, and it's getting a little weird. I mean, I know that we're all friends, but it's kind of like they pushing me out, and I'm not feeling that. - And how old were you when you met your best friend, Laniki? - About 13, 14. - So this is a long-reflected friendship. - Yeah, she's a great friend, yeah. - What does Laniki mean to you? Is she like family? - Yeah, she's definitely like family. She was also there with me
during my recovery process. - You ever have a
relationship with Laniki? - (scoffs) Nah. When I first-- - He said not the, (scoffs)
nah, what did that mean? - When I first met her, she was attractive to me,
and I remember telling her, but the feeling wasn't mutual. Only female friend I have to this day. - Got it, so she told you up front, like, "I didn't want it"? - Yeah.
- Okay, that makes sense. And so how often are the
three of you together? - Well, at the beginning it
was almost every other day. Hook up on weekends, go bowling, all that. But nowadays, they're doing that. - I'm gonna ask you
this, and this is just, I don't know the answers, could it be that they're not
having a sexual relationship, could it be that you're just jealous of the relationship that they have? - I'm definitely jealous. - [Karamo] Oh, okay. Own it, listen, own it, okay? - I'm definitely jealous, little curious, and they both acting real sneaky. - What are you hoping to find, or what do you think you'll find? - Some answers. I mean, I feel like Carla's a soulmate. That incident that she
was there for me with was very dear to me. But I don't wanna be wasting my time if she's being unloyal
and dishonest, you know? - Well, listen, everyone,
when we come back, we will meet Jerome's best friend, Laniki, and get her side of the story. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) Coming up... You don't wanna sit next
to your best friend? - No, 'cause I'm really frustrated. I'm hurt, one, because I
don't know why we are on here. - So how do you feel
about him accusing you of having a sexual relationship
with his girlfriend? - Yeah, we're girls, so we
get a little touchy, you know? - What do you mean, "We get
a little touchy-touchy"? (soft music) - I'm hearing gunshots. All of a sudden, I feel
something hit my side. - So you were shot. - And Carla was one of the
people that stayed with me. - She held you down. - [Jerome] Yeah. - So when did you start to suspect then that Carla was cheating
with your best friend? - Over the summer, we was
spending time together, we took a trip to Virginia Beach. While we were taking that trip, they got extremely close. Now that incident that
she was there for me with was very dear to me. But I don't wanna be wasting my time if she's being unloyal and dishonest. (audience clapping) - All right, everyone, it's time to meet Jerome's
best friend, Laniki. Come on out, Laniki. (audience clapping)
(upbeat music) How are you doing? - Hello. - Good, good, welcome to
the show, you look great. - Thank you. Nice to meet you. - Yeah, you look great. Oh, you don't wanna sit
next to your best friend? - No, 'cause I'm really frustrated. I'm hurt, one, because I
don't know why we are on here. I really don't. I feel like all of the years
that we've been friends, he should have been
able to just come to me. - So how do you feel
about him accusing you of having a sexual relationship
with his girlfriend? - I'm very frustrated and confused because I'm not even
interested in females. Never have been, not once. And for him to, I mean, he's
the one that had got us close. I think their relationship was beautiful, and for him to be accusing me and for him to really even feel like this, I'm so lost, 'cause he
didn't even come to me, not once, to even ask me. - I done said something to both of y'all. - [Laniki] You said nothing to me. - I said something to both of y'all. - Not once.
- Y'all keep acting like I'm crazy, like I'm just making it up. - What did you say to Laniki then? - I asked her was her and Carla messing... I'm an open person. - [Karamo] Okay. - I'm like, "Y'all got
feelings for each other?" They call each other bae and boo-- - And what was your response
when he asked you directly? - I don't even remember that question, but I, even if that was the case, you know I don't go that way, period. - I know she do, and I could've
sworn you was down with it. - Okay, that's her, but that's not me. - I feel it. - You should know me. - I feel it. I thought I did. - I thought you did too. - Right. - So you just all went
on vacation together, did you get a weird vibe between-- - I did get a little weird vibe, but I didn't think nothing of it. I thought we were the Three Amigos, I didn't feel any of this until last week. - Yeah. So this has taken you by surprise as well? - Yes.
- Because you're like, "I thought everything was fine." - Yes, completely. And for him to think that I'm
trying to seduce his woman... - No, I'm not tripping. - So what is your
relationship with Carla like? Tell me that then. - Well, but Carla's a really nice girl. We hang a lot together,
I have fun with her. I have fun with both of them. We both have a mutual relationship, and yeah, we're girls, so
we get a little touchy, but we don't get to a point where it's sexual or anything. And I like Carla, I really do. - Just to let you know, this bobbed-braid do is your look, girl. That is cute, but this is cuter. I'm letting you know,
(chuckles) this is... - (chuckles) Thank you. - I don't wanna derail
from what we're here for, but I'm looking at this,
and this is a look, okay? - Thank you. - But now we're not gonna pass it up, you said, "We get a little touchy-touchy," what do you mean, "We get
a little touchy-touchy"? - Okay, you know how girls get, okay, we'll go to the bathroom
together, she'll fix my hair. - Okay, so that's helpful, that's not really touchy.
- Exactly. - Okay. I mean, you gotta be real, that's not like anything that's sexual. - I know, but they still being sneaky. I just don't get good vibes from it, like, my heart telling me. - [Laniki] We compliment each other. - [Karamo] Yeah. - I don't know. - How do you feel when he says that he doesn't get good vibes, that he thinks y'all are being sneaky? 'Cause that's a direct attack on you, he's saying you're being sneaky. - Yes, and I feel like, wow, that our relationship came to this. I'm hurt. I'm hurt. - Me too. - [Karamo] Yeah. - I can't wait to find
out these answers, man. - Oh, I can't wait either. I really can't. - I know I'm not tripping,
I feel it in my heart. - So how long have you
two been friends for? - We've been friends since 14. - And how have you seen
the relationship change? - I've seen him, you know, he's more into his
relationship and everything, but we still spend a lot of time together. I would've assumed that
we had something going on before her and Carla, but I'm not interested. - At all.
- So I'm just... (Laniki chuckles) I'm really lost. - Yeah. 'Cause you seem like a
pretty upfront person. - I try to be.
- Has he ever accused you of anything like this in your
relationship ever before? - Never. - Never?
- Never. - So this is the first time? - Mm-hmm.
- Are you in a relationship? - No, I'm not. - [Karamo] You're not? - I'm currently just
out of a relationship. - Got it, so you don't wanna be in one? - No. - Got it, okay then. Why are you laughing at that? - Nothing. 'Cause she been with my girl. (chuckles) That's how I feel, you feel me? (audience exclaims) - Wow, really? Really? - [Jerome] We're gonna find out. - Do you suspect that he
may have feelings for you? - I know at the beginning, when he met me, yeah, he had a little crush, which, okay, I told him
I wasn't interested, but we still was able
to have this friendship that lasted this long. That's why I'm so frustrated, because we're better than this. - From your perspective, how has this accusation changed Jerome and Carla's relationship? - I see them argue a lot more. - Yeah?
- Yeah. - Well, listen, everyone,
when we come back, we will meet Jerome's girlfriend, Carla, and get her side of the story. (Jerome sighs) (audience clapping)
(upbeat music) Coming up...
(tense music) - Why they being sneaky? - What's so sneaky? - He didn't want his
phone to be gone through. - Oh. - I feel like he has something to hide. - I'm gonna ask you point-blank, are you in a romantic relationship (dramatic music) - I'm very frustrated and confused because I'm not even
interested in females. You should know me. - I thought I did. - Are you in a relationship? - No. - You're not?
- I'm currently just out of a relationship. - Why are you laughing at that? - 'Cause she been with my girl. (chuckles) That's how I feel, you feel me? (audience clapping) - All right, everyone, help me welcome Jerome's
girlfriend, Carla, to the show. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) Hi, Carla. How are you doing? - I'm very frustrated. I don't understand why we're
here, why he's accusing me. - [Jerome] You know why. - So I'm gonna ask you point-blank, are you in a romantic relationship with Jerome's best friend, Laniki? - Absolutely not. We're close, she's one
of my closest friends. Like, I would think that he would be happy that I'm close with his female friend, especially because she's a female. Most females would be jealous. I should be the jealous one, because he's giving his time and energy into another female besides me, so... - So do you have feelings for her at all? - No, not in the least romantic way, like, no, not at all. We're very close, she's
like a sister to me. - Besties. - I share my secrets
and everything with her. Like, I tell her stuff that
I can't even tell him now, 'cause now we're arguing
more, like, I just, he... - Why you shake your head to that? Because she's saying, like, I share-- - It proved me right, for real. They leave me out of it. - But that doesn't mean they're having a sexual relationship
(audience laughs) just because they're getting closer. - Really? - I don't know. - How does that prove you right? Tell me. - Right, how? - They ain't including me in none of this. It's just them two. I mean, it used to be us three. - Okay, but there's not a-- - [Karamo] So you feel left out? - Yeah.
- But feeling left out, does that mean that
you have to accuse them of having sex together? - I mean, they doing something. Why they being sneaky? - What's so sneaky? - So why do you think he's accusing you? - Because he's insecure,
because he's jealous. I think that, honestly, I think that he's jealous
of our relationship because he wants to pursue
a relationship with her. Because before they were, he tried to pursue her
and she friend-zoned him. - So you've been in a
relationship with a woman before? - Yes, a long time ago. But, I mean, I am attracted to women, but, like, who I'm with, I'm with. - Do you think your past relationships are making him insecure though? - I think he's being
insecure because of that. Like I said, I think he's jealous because
he really wants to pursue a relationship with Niki. Honestly, that's my wholehearted feel. - I don't. - Do you think that
Jerome is cheating on you? - Yes, because he accuses me of cheating, and, I mean, he's sneaky too. He didn't want his phone
to be gone through. - [Karamo] Oh. - So I feel like he has something to hide. - Were you asked to unlock your phone? - Yeah, but-- - And why did you say no? - Because I'm not here for cheating. (audience exclaims) - [Laniki] But you're
here, and you have me here. - Oh, so you can bring
them here and accuse, but when they asked you to
unlock your phone as well, you said no? - No, I wouldn't. - Got it. All right, everyone,
listen, we'll be right back, and we will unlock Carla's phone, because Jerome wants some answers and we wanna know what's going on as well. So stay with us,
(upbeat music) we'll be right back. (audience clapping) Coming up... - The reason I didn't wanna
unlock my phone is because... (audience gasping) - You serious? You gonna tell me this in
front of the whole world, that's crazy. (upbeat music) - Are you in a romantic relationship with Jerome's best friend Laniki? - Absolutely not. - I mean, they doing something. Why they being sneaky? - He's sneaky too, he didn't want his phone
to be gone through. - Were you asked to unlock your phone? - Yeah, but-- - And why did you say no? - 'Cause I'm not here for cheating. (Karamo chuckles) (audience clapping) - All right, I've been talking to Jerome, who asked to unlock his
girlfriend Carla's phone. Jerome, I want to give you the results
of unlocking Carla's phone. - Please do. - But Carla said she's not
gonna unlock her phone either. (audience gasping) - She being sneaky. What's up? - The reason I didn't wanna
unlock my phone is because I am not cheating with Niki. I've been seeing another guy
for, like, two months now. - You serious? You're gonna bring me here to, you gonna say that right here? - Well, Jerome, this
is what I'm gonna say, I know that this is painful
for you to hear this, but you did come here for answers. - [Jerome] Right, right. - You came here because you wanted truth, and you wanted the truth
from me unlocking her phone, but what I would've found in her phone, she's telling you face to face. - I understand. - She's telling you. The thing is is that I wanna know, Laniki, y'all spend a lot of time together, did you know the fact that
she was seeing someone else? - She had to. - Yes. - You did?
- I did. - Okay.
(audience gasping) Okay, and why didn't you tell your
best friend that you knew? - I do feel guilty about not telling him. - [Jerome] I knew it was something. - It was just something
me and Carla had going on. And yes, I feel like I have
betrayed him doing that, but at the same time, it's
something I can't change. - I got it, you were stuck in the middle. It's a weird position to be in, because now you've gotten close to them. So Jerome, what are you
thinking about right now, and what do you wanna say to Carla? - I don't want neither
one of 'em in my life. I mean, that was weird. They being unloyal. I knew she knew, I knew
you knew something. - You gonna throw all of
this away though for this? I mean, I understand how you feel, but-- - I can't be around people I can't trust, I can't be around nobody I can't trust. - But just drop it all, just like that? - Do you think there's
a place in your heart that you could forgive them? - No, I can't even think
about that right now. - Well, do you think, moreso, do you think there's a place in your heart to forgive Laniki? Because you have had years
of relationship, right? - I mean, that was-- - Are you sorry for not
telling him that you knew? - I really am. - It was weird, that's weird. Like, she shoulda told
me, we best friends. She knew me way before she knew her. - Yeah, exactly, we're best friends, and you coulda came to me.
- I knew she was doing something, like, hers ain't shocking, hers
is more shocking to me. - Yeah. Carla, what do you wanna say to Jerome? - I knew it was something,
man, that's so weird. - I'm sorry that I kept this from you. - You are not sorry, man. - We haven't been getting along. I do wanna work it out. - Did you say you wanna work it out? - Yeah. She tripping. - I do.
- I'm cool on that. - You wanna work it out,
but you have a new man, why would you wanna work it out? - I mean, he's not my man. We just-- - [Jerome] Oh, he your man now. - So why would you wanna
work it out with Jerome when you've said now that you had a guy you've been talking to, and you said you want him?
- Because I love him. - No, you don't. - We've been together for years, like, I love him.
- No, you don't, man. I love him, I wanna work
it out, I wanna see-- - [Karamo] Does Jerome know this guy? - I pray to God I don't. - [Carla] Yes. (audience exclaims) - You a snake, man. - I didn't know that much. I didn't know that much. - Okay. - I don't believe you neither. - I didn't know that
much, I honestly didn't. - You ain't got no remorse,
you just over here cool. You just don't...
- I am, I do-- - She don't care whatsoever, man. - I wanna work-- - Gonna tell me this in
front of the whole world, that's crazy. That's weird.
- You called, we coulda had this
conversation in private. - [Jerome] I done asked you. - Carla, honestly, if he
would've asked you in private, would you have said this? - No.
- If he wouldn't have brought you here? - No.
- Eventually, yes. - [Karamo] Eventually. (chuckles) - [Jerome] That's what I'm saying, man. - Yes, eventually I would have. - You've been a good
guy in this situation, and you did not deserve
this to happen to you. - I got burnt at the end though. - You got burnt at the end,
but let me tell you something, just because you got burnt at the end doesn't mean that you're not gonna be able to find someone who's going to value, who's going to give you what you need. You understand? Seriously.
(audience clapping) Listen, right now, I know
you feel embarrassed, but don't feel embarrassed, 'cause you walking away
where everybody's gonna see this is a guy who is kind, who is sweet. Yes, you have some insecurities, but unfortunately, your
insecurities were validated. And so you were somebody
who showed up for her, introduced her, you had a thing, and then something in your intuition says something ain't right. - In my heart, I felt it the whole time. - You just was pointing the
finger at the wrong person. You was looking at your best friend, 'cause you're like, "Oh, maybe that's it." Didn't realize it was somebody else. But that doesn't take away
from the man you were, and you will get somebody who you deserve to have a great relationship with. - I pray I do.
(audience clapping) I appreciate you. - What are you feeling right now? - The two closest people
to me betrayed me. Like, I don't know how to
feel, like, it's just weird. I knew there was something going on, but I wasn't expecting no other dude. I was praying I was wrong. - I know you feel betrayed right now. As you find time to heal, I do believe that Carla
has to give you some things to make you sure you know
you can actually forgive her. I didn't say get back
together, I said forgiveness. Laniki, Laniki and you, I do believe
can work on your relationship. I do believe that there's a piece of this where you could figure out a way to rebuild the trust that you two had. - It's a possibility. Me and Carla, there ain't no way. - Carla, I agree. - I'm just cut out. - [Karamo] Talk to her. - Who, me? Talk to her? - (chuckles) Are you saying I'm done? - Oh, yeah, I'm cool. - Wow. - Listen, I'm sorry that you
had to find out this way. Carla, I appreciate you stepping
up and saying it right now. And I hope that you two can rebuild your relationship,
- I hope so too. - because I do think
there's a chance there. And we'll be right back. (audience clapping)
(upbeat music) Coming up... - You threw away our
relationship over a wig. - So how damaged was the wig? Girl, she done plucked this. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) Friendships are very similar
to romantic relationships, and my next guest says
he's caught in the middle of his cousin and girlfriend. They had a friend breakup
and haven't spoken in a year, and he's fed up with the nonsense. Take a look. - Hey Karamo, my name's
Kaleb, and I need your help. My cousin and my girlfriend have been beefing for over a year now, and it's all over a wig. You see, my cousin and my girlfriend have been friends since seventh grade, and me and my girlfriend wouldn't even be in a
relationship right now if it wasn't for my cousin. My girlfriend feels like I'm
not being supportive enough 'cause I'm not making my cousin pay $400, so she feel like I'm picking sides. And at this point, it's
ruining our relationship. She's ruining her
relationship with my cousin because she's putting
money over a friendship, which is worthless. At this point, I just need
some help, because if not, then that's three
relationships down the drain. - Okay, wow, when you have a falling out, it can feel like a painful breakup. I'm going to first talk
to Kaleb's girlfriend. Please welcome Ta'Laiya to the show. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) How are you doing? So your boyfriend says that
he is stuck in the middle of you and his cousin, what is going on? - So, really, I feel like my boyfriend
isn't stuck in the middle. - Okay, (chuckles) you're
like, "You are not." - He's not, he's not stuck in... I feel like it's just
because it's his cousin, so he doesn't know exactly how to feel, but if it was anyone
else, it would've been, "Hey, my girlfriend, her wig." This is all about... His cousin decided that
she needed to borrow a wig. Fine, what's mines is hers,
'cause we were friends. - This was a friendship
you've had since childhood? - [Ta'Laiya] Yeah. - Tell me about that, because that's what
you're really losing here, is a friend since childhood. - Yes, I am. And I wish it didn't have
to get to that point, but I'm a person who
does not hold grudges, it's just now I have to put my foot down. But the whole situation is basically, you know, Asia, that's her
name, she asked to borrow a wig. So I spent $400 on this wig. - Okay, so how damaged was the wig? 'Cause I told my producers
I wanted you to bring it. - Well, I have it. - And not for anything salacious, but for me, I need to see, because if I'm gonna help you
and help Kaleb, it's like... Can I see the wig? - [Ta'Laiya] You can go ahead and see it. - Ooh, girl, girl, girl, she done plucked this. - But with this wig,
there is literally, like, I mean, you can see there's a rip. So that's what made me, like, "Okay, well, did you
try to pluck the wig?" But the thing is, when she brung the wig, she brung it in a regular grocery bag. - Got it.
- And she brung it in and it was kinda just balled up like this. And it's both wigs, but I only see one, 'cause it's so much hair, and
the other one is a lot fuller. - Yes. Did you ask her to pay for the damages? - Ooh, yes, I did. (Karamo chuckles) I definitely did, because even she could have just, as you can see, it's just the lace, she could have just replaced
the lace, if that was the case. But she just really was just like, she didn't even be like,
"Oh, I'm sorry," or nothing, she was just like,
"Okay, here's your wig." - We can put that, we can put her up. - Put her up, yeah, put her up. - She's buried. - [Ta'Laiya] Yeah. (chuckles) - While your best friend was missing, what does she miss out on that you wish that she
could have been there for? - Well, I lost my dad. I'm sorry. - I'm sorry, no. - It was really a lot, because my dad's death
really did a lot to me. - [Karamo] Yeah. - Like, it really did. I'm so sorry. - No, you're okay. Never apologize for feelings on this show. - I don't talk about it
because I have to keep going. And considering I haven't talked about it, the first, maybe, week, it was like I was really in this pit, where I did wish I had my friend. I had Kaleb, which is my
boyfriend, and I had my family, but I needed someone who
wasn't really gonna... She's a friend that's
never going to be biased, or was never going to be biased anyway. But my dad, that was my best friend too. - Yeah. So in a sense, you lost
both of your best friends. - I lost both of my best friends. - [Karamo] Yeah. I'm so sorry. How did it affect your
relationship with your boyfriend? 'Cause he's the one who reached out to me. - Well, with my boyfriend, it put a stress on our relationship, because this is his family, I get that. I'm a very family-oriented person, I am. With him, I get this is your family, but I am also your girlfriend, and if this was not your family, you would've been on them as well. - You say, "Yes, that's Kaleb's family," but in essence, that's also your family. - Yes, it is. I, definitely, I'm that person that your family is my family in a relationship, for sure. - But Asia being your friend,
your lifelong friend-- - That was my friend first. - That was your friend, but it was-- - Before a relationship. - Exactly. But Asia's like family to you. - We've grown together,
so it's like you should... Like I said, I'm sorry it had to be her. I'm not sorry, but I'm
sorry it had to be her that I had to put my foot down, but it's time for me to put my foot down. - Okay, we need to take a quick break, and we're going to hear from
De'Asia when we come back. (upbeat music) (audience clapping) Coming up...
(tense music) - You threw away our
relationship over a wig. I feel like that our relationship should have been stronger than that wig. - I'm not a person that
holds grudges at all. Like I said, that simple one-- - Obviously you are, because you trying to hold a
grudge over me about this wig. - No. - [Karamo] Did you ruin the wig? (tense music) - Asia, she asked to borrow a wig, so I spent $400 on this wig. You can see there's a rip. - Yeah. - She didn't even be like,
"Oh, I'm sorry," or nothing. - Asia's like family to you. - We've grown together. So I'm sorry it had to be her that I had to put my foot down, but it's time for me to put my foot down. (audience clapping) - Well, I think it's time to hear De'Asia's side of the story. Please, everyone, welcome
De'Asia to the show. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) Girl, I can already see that face, I can see that face, now the hug. How you doing? - Good. - I can see it, please take a seat. When was the last time y'all were next to each other like this? - Ooh, been a while, but we do
need your help, we do, we do. 'Cause it's been a long time and I really want her
to be my friend again. I mean, it's just been crazy,
and it's been stressful. - That's a good start, to hear that you say you
want to be friends again, because that means we can
probably figure out, amend it. But the thing is, I gotta ask you straight,
point-blank, did you ruin the wig? - Well, no. - Yes. - Well, I don't think I ruined
the wig, I don't think so. If you know how to revamp
a wig and this and that, then that's what she shoulda did. - But why would I have to
revamp my wig that I bought? It's not like I made this wig, I bought this wig from someone else. It was my birthday wig, something I spent my hard-earned money on. And then I shouldn't
have to revamp this wig, I shouldn't have to sew it up, I shouldn't have to put it back together, you should take care of it. (audience clapping) - Even if I did mess up the wig, you would still have to do something. - [Ta'Laiya] It's not no if
you didn't, 'cause you did. - There's gonna be glue
on it, I mean, glue-- - So what was the condition
of the wig when you found it? - It was okay. It was all right. But I don't even know how to pluck a wig, I just put it on my head and just go about my day how I see fit. - Mm-hmm. Why are you making that... - Because she can say
it's okay, it's all right. First of all--
- Because it is. - It's not no okay, all right. - And you sit here and talk
about your wig for, like, 10 minutes when it's supposed
to be about our relationship. - It is.
- I feel like that you threw away our relationship over a wig. I feel like that our relationship should've been stronger than that wig. But I think--
- Our relationship should have been stronger than this wig, - Right, correct.
- but at the same time, I should not be disrespected. (audience clapping)
- How did I disrespect you? - And you disrespected me. - How did I disrespect you? - Have you tried to reach out to her? - Yeah, trying to reach out to
her since we stopped talking, even through my cousin. She would not reach out. I know that she's been
going through something, and she recently had a family passing, and I've reached out to her during that, but she still hasn't reached out. She claimed that she
reached out to me, when? - How do you feel about the
way she acted towards you after you returned the wig? - I feel like it was fake,
and it was kind of phony, because you say what's
mine is yours, right? Okay, yeah, the wig might
be a little messed up, but I feel like--
- A little? I can't wear my wig no more. - I feel like that you shouldn't have came to me how you did if-- - Well, here's the thing, I didn't get the chance
to even come to you, 'cause when I called you
once I seen how my wig was, you didn't answer. - Why wouldn't I answer though? - I didn't even block you right away. - You didn't call me at all. - I did.
- I've been reaching out to you since we stopped talking. - Right, you reach out through Kaleb. - You can even ask my cousin. - But you could have called my cell phone. - So how has the relationship with you and your cousin Kaleb been since this whole altercation? - It's like we barely even talk now because of how our relationship is, it's affecting me and my
cousin's relationship. - Okay. - I let it go, I'm not a person
that holds grudges at all. Like I said, that simple one--
- Obviously you are, because you trying to hold a
grudge over me about this wig. - No, I'm not, I'm holding anger towards
you about my respect, that's what you're missing. (audience clapping)
You're missing my respect, - But how did I disrespect you? - the money that I spent. - The thing is, is I wanna ask you both, why are you destroying a
relationship over wig and money? - It's not about wig and money. - It's not about the money for me, it's not about the
money or the wig for me, it's about the friendship.
- I asked that question because I need to establish that this is just a symptom
of something bigger here. - It is. - Yeah. So how long have you been with Kaleb? Because I need to establish that. - I've been with Kaleb for
about two and a half years now. - Two and a half years. So there's been two and a
half years where you felt like she's been disrespecting
you to some degree with your relationship?
- I wouldn't even say the whole two and a half years, it's just sometimes. - [Karamo] Sometimes. - But how?
- You know, she'll step in, like, if we're arguing,
she'll step in and be like-- - Tell her. - Okay, so if me and him are arguing, you'll step in and be like, "Oh, hold on, hold on, that's my cousin." Okay, well, hold on,
hold on, I get that part, but what about where he's wrong? Y'all always so quick to
tell me that I'm petty. - First of all, I do, I
do tell it like it is, like you just said, I
do tell it like it is. First of all, okay, yeah, if
you're wrong, you're wrong, if he's wrong, yeah, he's wrong. - But you don't tell him all
the time that he's wrong. - Listen, I really wanna talk to Kaleb, because I think Kaleb is
the piece of this story that we really need to get to. Let's take a quick break
and we'll be right back. (upbeat music)
(audience clapping) Coming up...
(tense music) How do you feel about these two fighting? - I just, I think it's dumb. - Has this whole debacle
affected your relationship? - Yes. She's my family. - So why would I wanna be around it? (upbeat music) - Did you ruin the wig? - Well, I don't think I ruined the wig. You know how to revamp a wig,
that's what she shoulda did. - But why would I have to
revamp my wig that I bought? - How's the relationship with
you and your cousin Kaleb been since this whole altercation? - It's like we barely even talk now because of how our relationship is, it's affecting me and my
cousin's relationship. - Okay. - [Ta'Laiya] I let it go. - You trying to hold a grudge
over me about this wig. - No, I'm not. I'm holding anger towards
you about my respect, that's what you're missing. (audience clapping) - You two have a lot of things
that you gotta work out, but I need to hear this one
last piece of perspective before I help you. - He gonna be biased. - Well, let's see. Everyone, please help me
welcome Kaleb to the show. (audience clapping)
(tense music) How you doing, man? - How you doing? - Good to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - Can I have a hug? - Yes, sir.
- Thank you, man. Take a seat. - [Ta'Laiya] I don't
know why you doing this. - You smell good.
- Hey. Thank you, thank you. - What's up, cuz?
- Hey, cousin. - All right, how do you feel
about these two fighting? - I just, I think it's dumb. Honestly, like, I'm a guy, it's a wig. - Right, so you don't understand. - It's kind of beneath me. - Has this whole debacle
affected your relationship? - [Kaleb] Yes. - In what ways? - Like, Fourth of July just passed, couldn't go to a family event, because she's worried about,
"Asia's gonna be there." "Okay, and? She's my family." - So why would I wanna be around it? - This was your best friend. - Our relationship should
have been stronger than that. I feel like if we call each other sisters, and we always been stuck like glue, we should be unseparable. But I feel like that money's
coming in between this, and it shouldn't. - Do you feel like your cousin
steps into your relationship and she shouldn't? - No, because before me and
Ta'Laiya were even together, they were a thing, they were sisters. - Well your girlfriend feels as if her former best friend steps in. She feels as Asia steps
in and takes your side and doesn't hear her. Do you see that point of view at all? - Well, I mean, she's family, that is-- - But there's a right and a wrong. But let it have been not Asia, you would've been on them, like,
let it been another person, "Oh, you did this to her
wig," or da da da da, or you would've said
the same thing I said. It's like stealing money outta my purse. - Kaleb, I wanna know from you, do you think they can remain friends? - I think it's possible. My cousin has reached out plenty of times trying to contact her, and like I said, she's
just worried about money. Well, she's reaching out, be an adult. - I have to say, when you come to family and friendships that are like family, we all have to do our part to
create a space for everyone to be able to feel comfortable. There's clearly something that has made you feel uncomfortable and make you feel like no longer can you express yourself to your friend. And what's happened here, instead of you being able to say that, it's been building up
and building up, and now, that explosion right now
has caused you to use a wig as something that is tearing you apart. - Oh, my god. - [Karamo] You're getting
emotional right now. Yeah. - Because it's just like, I don't feel like I'm
using the wig, but I may, but I don't get hurt, I don't, because I'm that person that, I just... But when I do, and I explode, it's a lot. - I get it, I get it, but see, the thing is when those things happen, and we say things like
we're doing too much, it's really us saying, "Listen, I just don't feel comfortable, "I don't feel comfortable." We gotta sometimes look
underneath the language, "I don't feel comfortable,
I'm scared to talk about it." Y'all were sisters before,
y'all were sisters, and for some reason, y'all
felt comfortable before, and now y'all don't. So I think right now, what y'all
gotta say to each other is, "Hey, I'll create a space "for you to feel comfortable
in talking to me." When something is said between the friendship
and the relationship that's starting to get intertwined, y'all gotta create a space
to say, "I hear you." Can you do that for your friend? - Yes. - [Karamo] Do you believe
she can do that for you? - I don't know. - That's the problem.
- You have to stop being stubborn, yo. - I'm not being stubborn. - You're being stubborn. - I gotta tell you, because here where you
play a role in this, when you say things like, "You
gotta stop being stubborn," that's why she feels like
a side is being taken, because all she needs from you is acknowledgement of how she feels. (audience clapping) I'm gonna tell you this, you're not the bad guy in this, but what happens sometimes is men, we feel like things have to be solved, when sometimes things just
need to be acknowledged. Your girl is just saying, "Acknowledge what I'm feeling. "I don't need you to solve it,
I need you to acknowledge." And because you're in between
and trying to solve it, it's becoming worse. - Yes.
- So right now, in this moment, your girl just said, "I don't feel heard," what do you say? - I'm listening. - Perfect. And now that gives you
two the space to talk and start to heal. Because listen, your best friend-- - I've been ready to talk, I have been. Like, I've wanted to be there
for her so bad, it's just-- - Tell her, tell her. - I wanted to be there for you so bad when you had your passing of your father, and I'm so sorry that I wasn't. But I have reached out
to you, I've been trying. And I'm so--
(Ta'Laiya scoffs) - Hold on, hold on, beside that, 'cause you don't even have to say anymore that you try to reach out, because that's in the past,
where you all had a blockage. She just said I'm sorry and
I wish I could be there, can you find it in your heart, now that you've told them
that you didn't feel heard, to say, "I believe you"? Come on, do you believe your friend wanted to be there for you? Didn't you want your
friend to be there for you? - Yes. - She's saying right
now, "I wanna be there." And she's also saying
she's willing to hear you. Can you open your heart?
- Yes, I'm listening. - [Karamo] She said she's
willing to listen, look at her. - Okay. (Ta'Laiya sighs) - I know it's hard. - I'm just scared,
because I just feel like - [Karamo] I know you are. - this is gonna go like this now, but is it gonna stay this? - Right. - Is it gonna continue
to be y'all can hear me, or is it gonna be back to,
"Oh, Lai, you're tripping." - But at least now-- - I always hear you. I always have heard you, but I just feel like that this situation was just petty, you know? 'Cause I feel like that you
chose the money over me. - But what we realize right now, so you don't ever bring this up again, because y'all all know it,
it wasn't about the money, it was never about the wig. It was about another feeling. - She coulda came to me and
told me that it was another-- - [Ta'Laiya] I called, twice. - [Karamo] But she was scared. - And then I also called
you twice with the... We probably coulda talked about it then, or if you woulda answered the phone when I first called you about the... Like, let me say, the wig
ain't nothing now, okay? We can't bring it back. - Can you try to find faith in your heart to say I believe you? This is your sister. You just went through a lot of loss and you're still grieving that loss, don't lose your sister too. She's here. - Yeah, 'cause I know you
need to talk about it, I know you need to let it out. - [Karamo] She's here. Can you trust it?
- I know you. - Can you trust it? - I believe you. - Yes, that's the first step. (audience clapping) Will you give your sister a hug? Give your sister a hug. (audience cheering and clapping) Listen, everyone, we just saw friends that are
more like family in crisis, but they've started
the journey to healing. Listen, everyone, thank
you for being with us. Come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and growing. (upbeat music) I love you all. Take care. (audience cheering and clapping)
