Thoughts on Apple Vision Pro and WWDC 2023!

[Music] foreign [Music] people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcasts we're back in the studio and we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David so last episode pretty chaotic I know it was insane we had a pretty crazy travel schedule and we did want to have a little fun while we were out there but now we're back and we do want to get into the Weeds on all things WWDC it was kind of the news of the week and it was one of the more packed wwdcs ever it was lit I mean I haven't seen every WDC ever but that was that was pretty uh it was actually packed it was busy yeah so we're gonna go through all this stuff and there's a lot more coming and of course coverage on the other channels but we should just dive right into it uh Hardware stuff software stuff headset new product category first gen stuff let's just start with the the basics yeah MacBook Air MacBook Air got a 15-inch version yeah we were hoping they would do this eventually uh uh yeah the details are it's bigger it's uh so so you had the M2 MacBook Air it was 13 inches now we have the M2 15-inch MacBook Air is a 15.3 inch display of the same quality and brightness it also means you get a bigger battery to match the battery life of the 13-inch air and it also means two more speakers yeah two more speakers so two extra Force canceling woofers maybe it's got a little extra bass depth we'll see that's it same laptop oh there's one more color because there's four colors now there used to be there's those was it always four oh okay same four colors which are black now they don't come in here space gray I guess is what it's called and there's a Trivia episode if you want to get that just yeah then there's silver at midnight and starlight uh it's 12.99 they have the 13 inch M2 still of course for 11.99 oh sorry 10.99 yeah and the they still have the old design 13-inch air M1 for 9.99 do not buy that it's interesting I don't hate recommending it to people who don't need M2 it's just you also get an old design the screen on the new one is so much better I think the screen's worth 100 bucks yeah that's fair yeah so it it exists it's the thinnest lightest 50 inch laptop I think I've ever seen it's 3.3 pounds and it only has two ports yep two USB C in one audio jack yeah so micro care yeah I do do think if they were going to make it that much bigger they should have added one more USBC Port I would have liked that um yeah but hey I mean yeah I think that the versatility of the 13 inch is amazing for a lot of people but having that option to have the 15 inches which is pretty epic yeah like I think there's some people who don't need everything in a MacBook Pro but would still like the bigger screen this is exactly what they're yep that's exactly why it exists you'd be surprised at how many like corporations will issue MacBook airs now or um like a friend of mine works at this uh company and they they issued everyone 14-inch MacBook Pros but honestly they probably could have just done 15-page MacBook airs and they would have saved some money yeah there are an ungodly amount of people that walk into a store and just say what's the cheapest 15 inch laptop that you have and apple would have to go oh we have a 16 inch MacBook Pro and then they go uh never mind and to me so this is sort of my uh my analogy in the video that I'm going to eventually talk about this laptop it feels like it's the Tesla Model y over their land before the 13 inches model three that's an amazing analogy yeah when model 3 came out it was like oh yes finally an inexpensive version of the car and it's it's great but guess what most of the population is actually looking for something a little bigger a little higher off the ground so when they made a little bigger a little higher off the ground version of it it became the best-selling car and the 13-inch MacBook Air is the model 3. it was like you have an entry level laptop it's the one most people are going to get but guess what most people want a little bit of a bigger screen 15-inch laptops are the most common form factor so guess what they made the 15 inch version and I predict it would be their best-selling computer just like the Y was the best-selling car so there you have it uh then they did Max studio and uh M2 refresh across the board yes so we have M1 Pro and M1 Max and M1 Ultra stuff and Mac Studio or no one pro M2 now it's M2 yeah now it's M2 Pro M2 Max M2 Ultra that's the new chip the big bad M2 Ultra uh they also got HDMI 2.1 which is great to see and then they also went wait a second we didn't finish the pro lineup they're the Mac lineup we have uh we have one more mac to add Apple silicon to and the Mac Pro got Apple silicon yeah it happened it was about the most boring version of the Mac Pro getting Apple silicon you could possibly imagine yeah it was basically the exact same Mac Pro cheese grater that we know from the Intel days but instead of gpus that you can take out and put back in and instead of ram that you can take out and put back in it's just the M2 Ultra same one from the Mac Studio and a bunch of PCI slots that's basically it and that's it that's it and it's so big it's gigantic yeah and there there is no discernible thermal difference between the two like there was plenty of space in the uh and the Mac Studio so they'll perform the same it's just if you need PCI this is a computer for you yeah and there was like a there was one of the towers in there with the the lid off or whatever you want to call it so you could see inside and there's just like there was nothing in the pcie slots and then there's the chip it looked like like a bachelor gets their apartment and they just have like a lawn chair and a TV like in the middle of this like the room there's just absolutely nothing it was cool to see the M2 Ultra die in there though that looked pretty big yeah it's very big it's bigger than I expected yeah I do want to talk about M2 Ultra a little bit in detail because it's actually a way bigger update than you'd probably expect uh especially considering M1 Ultra right was that a huge lift you know it was two M1 Maxes that were fused together and that's obviously huge performance gains uh but then when the M2 Max came out it was like it was so close in performance to the M2 Ultra and we actually had a nice briefing about the new Max the new M2 Ultra and the reason it's such a big difference especially for us is that the original M1 Ultra because it was too fused together it kind of just had twice the performance but in parallel it wasn't exporting our videos twice as fast because they didn't have a hardware way for them to do that they were just like oh if you need to like export twice as many tasks you can do them all at like their linear speed but in parallel they didn't work together as much as they worked at the same time at the same time so if you had twice as many things to do at the same time you would see a benefit but if you wanted to do one single thing yeah twice as fast you didn't see that as often which seems like the obvious thing but I guess with super pro workflows maybe you're doing a bunch of things they actually told us they were like yeah but like you know you could you could export a 480p version of this and a 720p and a 1080 and a 4K and an 8K at the same time we're like Okay YouTube does that for me it's like I would I guess it's good to do that because we can upload it for subtitling yeah it was it's funny like going out of compressor and making nine versions of video at once like I'm sure somebody does that but Ferraris is like I usually do a couple back to back exports I do the 4K one that goes to YouTube and then we do subtitle captions and I don't need to upload a 4K version of the video to them to do captions so I just export the smallest possible version yeah like a 480p version so that I can upload 100 megabyte file so I do two exports and then maybe I do a uh audio and sfx tracks for when we do our dubbing so it's like there's a bunch of stuff happening but I always do them like one after I never even thought about the fact that we could do them in parallel so we should probably set up a workflow well it takes like 10 seconds after I know 480 already rendered timeline but setting up a macro or you can just do everything at once that would be fine it's cool until you actually only upload the 480p version but uh yeah for M2 Ultra the thing that's amazing about it they change the hardware a little bit and change the software a little bit the firmware and now it's 1.8 x faster than the M2 Max because it can now put all those resources into one task which is amazing um so I think that we're going to see a huge gain on M2 Ultra over M1 Ultra which is very exciting uh they showed us a lot of pretty crazy uh demos with it where they were just like playing back 12 streams of 8K video in real time yeah you know um but you can get up to 192 gigabytes of RAM in the M2 Ultra which is pretty insane uh 30 faster GPU 40 faster neural engine yeah up to six Pro display xdrs we're never going to utilize that that's fine don't tempt me with a good time you get like a bunch more i o also in them too Ultra just because you have more space than like a M2 Studio that's gonna come out right uh I think though the i o on the Mac Studio is the same I thought it had like the Mac Pro on the studio is the same yeah that's something the max row though is like where you're getting a bunch of extra i o over them yeah yeah okay so to be fair if you play the SD card slot yeah wow all right let's go through all the new Mac Pro stuff macro same exact chassis but no SD card slot yeah what I don't know what that was useful so that's number one Pros don't use SD just put it back on you just put it back in the laptop it's right here in the MacBook Pro uh but it does gain uh six or eight on the back I think it's eight yeah eight Thunderbolt ports on the back and the top PCI slot a lot and then two HDMI 2.1 and two usb-a and then six open PCI Gen 4 uh slots the bottom one is a compatibility slot that's great the Max studio has all the same ports and HDMI 2.1 instead of 2.0 as the last Mac Studio yeah but obviously the the old Mac Pro you could stuff a terabyte and a half of ram in there you can't do that anymore because the ram is built into M2 so you can do 192 gigs which is a lot but it's not what you could do before so that's interesting and then no gpus at all yeah just m2's GPU yeah and you could do obviously other cards and things like if you want to put in a card with a bunch of Cuda cores to help render things you can do that but that won't be your video card that would just be like a rendering card you can do audio cards you can do storage cards which is what I'm probably gonna end up doing yeah uh but that's that's the difference that is what makes this product very strange is that the the cheese the old cheese grater was just like it's upgradable so that over time you can just keep swapping stuff out and you keep the chassis and this one is just like a lot of the chassis everything's built in it's on the main board it's fused to the main board and all you can really do is PCI expansion which for the people that use PCI expansion for like audio stuff useful but it's a very large chassis for one small subtask and I imagine this is a much smaller audience than even the the old Mac Pro was I have a theory go for it most of my theories about Apple are based on things that they've already done because there's so lockstep predictable as a company they do things over and over again I think they're going to redesign the Mac Pro for the next gen and here's why this is the ultimate laziest we went from Intel to Apple silicon but didn't change the chassis what did they do in the first MacBook Air the same exact thing they had the Intel MacBook Air and then they just took the exact same Intel MacBook Air swapped it out with apple silicon and they were like haha performance redesign and sure enough we got the M2 with the redesign that was built around the chip MacBook or now Mac Pro happens what happens with the Mac Pro they went straight from Intel to Apple silicon and you go wow look at all that performance but it's not built for this chip I think the next gen Mac Pro can be smaller thermally it can have a nicer design and it doesn't have it could be on your desk even it could have four PCI slots instead of six yeah and you can shrink that thing down and make it nice and I I think that's the next Mac Pro the hardest thing about that though is just the sizing of the the cards you're putting in the the expansion slots gotta be big enough for the cards yeah that's the weird thing because like ultimately like you said it's you can't replace RAM and all that because it's all on the chip so we all kind of saw that coming and thought it'd be smaller but when you think of all the expansion slots they could only make it so small if you want to put six slots there yeah so what do you like are you imagining a smaller cheese grater yeah yeah yeah maybe not actually it's kind of it's got to be a smaller case It's gotta be maybe it's still a cheese grater because airflow and iconic design whatever but Die Cast cheese grater this is gonna happen when it happens I like they were already on to the next Mac Pro you just got what you wanted this was the chef Marquez is this what you want I know yeah is this what you wanted yeah I know when is this gonna happen uh it's the lowest priority thing it's the Tesla Roadster of their lineup four years two before redesign I think two years I think they should have offered two Mac pros this year if they were gonna do this they should have offered like a that like mini ITX version where it has four PC expansion slots and it's smaller and cheaper and cheaper yeah yeah this Mac Pro starts at seven thousand dollars that's crazy it's expensive but it has respectable Baseline specs um yeah you only get M1 Ultra yeah Baseline Mac Pro is like kind of a slap in the face where you were getting the base one I think absolutely specked out this thing's like 20 grand which is it's 12 12. if you see that screenshot it's because people love to just add like Final Cut and logic and all the stupid like add-ons next year absolutely the highest you can get yeah okay the maximum you can spend on the computer itself is just over twelve thousand dollars how would I know that I wonder oh no yeah I didn't think so so yeah so that's uh so that's the Mac Pro and the Mac Studio that's the max Mac OS also changed oh right we got we got a new Mac OS yeah I guess that kind of brings us to the software section yeah because that's most of what WWDC is typically we talk software OS updates and Apple's got a bunch of os's we don't usually get this much Hardware so it was like yeah we left there and I was like if we didn't get Hardware sure this would be still interesting but there would be not nearly that much to talk about Mac Pro is at like minute 15 out of two hours yeah they were cruising when we sat down and they first started going and I couldn't get the Wi-Fi working so I was starting to do things on my phone my phone was like heating up by how fast I was typing like I couldn't keep up and it was like by the time we got to Mac Pro I was like finally they finally got to it that was 15 minutes into a two hour Adam and I were looking at it to like find the clip of them reacting and I'm like I don't know to go earlier was that like minute he's like minute 40 I was like earlier he's like 30 earlier and then he got to 20 and it was still after it oh my gosh it was like 12 to 15 minutes that's why they were flying like Alice and I were taking notes and like at the beginning we're like talking cracking jokes and then we just get real quiet because we're just trying to keep up yeah it was a lot let's talk software so Mac OS Sonoma is what's showing up on every Mac now did you you predicted the name I didn't actually predict that oh okay we were kind of joking on Twitter what what happened was uh we were joking about like a trivia question it was the trivia question where Ellis said like what was the name of Silicon Valley and then I thought that it was the wine the like wine country area yeah one of the multiple choice ones yeah yeah uh yeah the the my prediction was Alcatraz yeah anyway yeah you were talking about the trivia but it's more fun to just ignore the facts and lean into the meme the screenshot of you going Sonoma and that's like the exact the caption it's fake news but I'll take it yeah yeah no context at all uh no it's a pretty small update but there are some interesting things uh some highlights number one I don't know why but you can take widgets out of the sidebar now and just throw them out anywhere on your home screen does anybody do you guys use widgets at all I don't really even um I have like two in my sidebar weather because we have a terrible air quality alert out here and a screen on time but you can now you can use the Tic Tac widget on your desktop whoa okay so the big widget update is that an iPad OS and Mac OS you can interact with widgets inside of the widget without opening the app believe it or not you could do this in any widget on the iPad I hear the ring do we want to focus on Mac OS first or before we go straight I just know where this is going and I think we should focus on okay okay so yeah you can put your widgets anywhere on the Mac widgets are I don't use widgets but I think I just my screen's a mess all the time with just like different sized windows and that to me feels like my clicking through widgets but some of the for people who do use it I could see them being kind of cool it is nice how they like uh deactivate sort of behind when you have another window active and and it like Fades nicely into the background but it's beautiful a lot of people using computers with one screen like that I just use my window full screen all the time so I never use a widget so yeah the demos and like they did the demo of that and I was like I know you know how I know I'm never going to use this because the demo is just a small window in the middle of the screen and then a bunch of widgets around it I never use a small window in the middle of my laptop I think this is part of their merger of the iOS iPad OS Mac OS thing they're slowly trying to get everything to look more so more and more similar and if you can just like throw widgets like you see this screenshot right this just has widgets all over the display which in my opinion makes it look really messy but people think it looks like an iPad well it looks more like an iPad now yeah that's true this reminds me of Windows Vista when they were trying to say how like this was going to be the new sick operating system because it had all these like widgets on the screen that no one ever touched because your window is full screen yeah hey I I was a widget boy in Vista days I had XP a Wii widget I had XP for like months when when Vista was out and I was like oh my God I want this Arrow glass so bad and I installed a theme on Windows XP that gave me the transparent glass and the widgets and I was like hell yeah I kind of have Windows this and it's stable yeah I know and then I actually got this and I was like oh this is this is all right I load it up you're like I can see the weather and you're like I don't care yeah I didn't need to see that that's what I put all the widgets on a separate desktop I think that's actually not a bad idea as someone who has two monitors that did cross my mind it's like what if I just put them all on the corner of one of the monitors swipe between them or if you're like oh wait that's what we already know the one where you because Mac OS lets you like swipe between virtual desktops yeah I think you could you could have a virtual desktop that's all widgets so you just use the three-fingered gesture well what did we have before wasn't it called what happened when you when you pinched out that's the control center that used to be a widget panel that's this I don't know that's like Brands all the gestures I don't know what they're that's all they are there used to be a widget panel where you literally it was like a search box and a bunch of widgets in MacBook this is like the virtual home screens I think they just change where they put widgets every update and just see what catches on yeah that's basically so Sonoma yeah Sonoma has widgets there's not a ton of updates in Sonoma it's probably the small the like smallest uh OS update out of any of the uh the products that Apple has you also have enhanced screen sharing which is fairly cool it's like what's the safest feature yeah it's like a and it works in pretty much any video conferencing application but it can separate you from the screen that you're sharing and sort of like overlay a small version of you because it's doing uh semantic segmentation cutting you out and it can do a bunch of different things it can put you in a little circle it can put you just with your body right in front of it I think that's really cool because it's good to have that you know action with the person and also see their screen it's like foreground background like give you yeah like cut out on the iPhone of like holding down and bring a subject out of a photo you're basically doing it's that for video in real time in whatever app you want it's pretty useful if you think about it Zoom kind of does the or I forget if it's Zoom or something but they do the they'll blur the background for you right they all do so pretty much what it's doing is just eliminating that behind you yeah but yeah it looked really good it looks really good they have a bunch of uh really funny really dumb things where you can like hold up both hands about some fireworks there's a bunch of like effects I who wants this stuff even the demos they were doing of it felt like delayed it was like thumbs up and it was it for four seconds and then fireworks like yeah I think every video conferencing app has these like really gimmicky really kit like childlike things that like nobody really likes and cares about you know there's like a button to raise your hand in Google meet I just picture you going like this and then like 90 hands come up from behind you I'm raising my hand that would be useful I would do that that would actually be useful yeah um we also got uh Safari got a little bit of an update there is more privacy features in it and they also have um what is it called profiles now yeah which is something that chroma said for a very long time um so that's cool I immediately thought they were it kind of looks like Arc now like the profile switcher kind of looks like Arc you can also now uh create a web app from any app and put the icon on your desktop which you could also always do if you Chrome yeah or on Windows for like 10 years yeah before Facebook Messenger back when I used to use Facebook Messenger before they had an actual web app that was what I would do you could just remove the URL bar and it would just be a damp that you could launch yeah it was a chrome window sick uh they have a game mode game mode which is huge because everyone actually smacks for games um I'm really pumped that they use like a a really hard game to prove they use death stranding which is a very hard game to run and that's how they showed it I thought there was supposed to be a a uh there is a translator now a translator so so did you do you catch this they have an API or they have a thing now where you can basically move like developers can take their game and translate it to um metal uh or use use the metal API and like easily move it over to Mac and a lot of people apparently you people can just do this without being the developer but a lot of people were just taking existing games that they own and moving them over and then trying them on Mac so people are playing like cyberpunk on their MacBooks and getting pretty good frame rates interesting that was actually an interesting development yeah yeah seems pretty big for gaming okay um well game mode if anyone's wondering is basically just like a priority of the game on your CPU GPU and it also doubles the doubles the sample rate of Bluetooth so if you're using an external control where it'll be more responsive yeah with airpods as well just like less latency between them which is actually really awesome yeah yeah and I think they assume that your computer's gonna be plugged in while you're playing a video game anyway so if that uses more battery you probably don't care uh and last but not least probably the most important possible thing you want to take it away Marquez oh yeah and ironically really love ly love so there's now this you know the screensavers from Apple TV that were like these crazy HDR helicopter flyovers of like major cities or super cool things they are bringing them to Mac OS now and they shot a bunch of new ones and I was talking to the guy Phil who shot these because because believe it or not really hard to shoot some of these and if you look at them for like if you have an Apple TV that goes to screensaver mode and you watch one of the screen savers for like five six seconds in a row you're like oh this is kind of a cool shot and then it keeps going for another like minute and you're like this is a really long shot and it keeps going for another two minutes and you're like how did they make this yeah and the answer is 8k slow-mo from some incredible like aerial camera setup and uh really impressive stuff it's also really cool that when you then log in after the screen server is on it like Nestles into your background and then becomes like a free like that's just such a nice touch of just like hey we have a AK video like screensaver and then just like turns into your desktop though I know it seems so little but that's the kind of stuff I know for sure is that makes it feel I have to find the looping point I will not it's really hard if I find a loop it's really hard they're good forever Samsung also used to do this I don't know if you remember this on like the Galaxy S9 they would have like these wallpapers or you yeah these wallpapers when you unlocked your phone um before you like well before you unlocked it when you turned it on it had like a wallpaper and then you would unlock it and it would sort of like Nestle into the background yeah but they got rid of those but now they're bringing them to the desktop here that's very cool we should take a break yeah we got a lot more talk about there's a bunch more software there's iPhone stuff AirPlay stuff airpods stuff iPad stuff widget rant and maybe even a Vision Pro thing or two so we're going to talk about it if we get to yeah we'll probably we'll maybe get to it this time so uh also all trivia this week is in our collab episode so we've got way too much to talk about to do Trivia today so sorry for you trivia lovers be right back foreign welcome back let's get into the new iPhone software iOS 17. see what I did there yeah see now you clicked no okay so there's a lot of good stuff in iOS 17. it's funny because there's so much like other stuff that it kind of went under the radar but if you just look at this list there's a bunch of really smart stuff in here yeah two main things that I noticed as like an overarching theme to pay attention to for this one Apple doesn't love saying the same words on stage as other companies and specifically if you went back to Google I O and you saw what they said on stage it was mostly ai ai ai ai and they would say AI any chance they got about any feature that use any sort of machine learning or anything pump the stock I don't even know if Apple said AI once on stage did they maybe once or twice Transformers twice they said Transformers they said machine learning they don't think they said AI ones they avoided saying AI at all but there are still features that would qualify as AI in iOS and the software talk about so that's one uh and the other is ecosystem takes the lead here they they did a lot of ecosystem tie-in features yeah and they're useful features but they're like really useful if you have friends with iPhones or if you have more than one Apple device absolutely those are the two like themes out of everything I noticed so okay first let's get into uh the phone app is better new contact cards actually they're called posters the phone app just like making calls yeah uh there are live transcribed voicemails now which is literally if you miss a call or send someone to voicemail just like on the pixel when you screen a call you'll get the voicemail transcription happening live on your screen and you can choose to pick it up in the middle that's really interesting I just want to say because I thought that carriers like as they're leaving a voicemail you can read the transcription and decide to pick it up while they're leaving a voicemail which I didn't know was possible I thought that carriers like decided on whether you could do that or not it is funny like I think Eli mentioned in this when we joined their podcast on how it like it's an old answering machine like that's what you used to do on an answering machine at your house be like I don't feel like answering this and be like oh oh that was my mom and she's actually calling about something important just like pick them up in the middle of their leaving the voicemail that's actually a great Point yeah I never thought about that it's literally just that some people but it's a really good I've never had an answering machine well I do vaguely remember those it didn't live transcribe you just heard it yeah and then it recorded it and you played it later but anyways I do think that's really cool because a lot of people are gonna say like oh Androids have had live transcription voicemails for a while but like real time being able to interrupt it yeah really so you can on the pixel it's just not called a voicemail yeah but can you can you pick up while they're leaving a voice it's real time transcribing it yes I'm missing that on call screen on the pixel when you hit screen call it does give a little like this person uses using a uh yeah whatever and then they can start talking and I get a transcription as they're talking and I can pick up I think that's different I feel like there's a difference between like you just made it to voicemail and like I got sent a robot to answer this call and now I mean if you take away the intro with Google talking it's the same thing but do you think that Google is like shoving a robot in between the call and the actual voicemail part and so it's just doing its own yes so what Google does is it introduces itself as a robot and then you start talking and there's a couple of buttons you can press on the screen to ask for more so if you want to go like who is this or why are you calling you hit the button and the robot asks them and then you continue to get a transcription of what they say and if you want to pick up at any time you hit the green button and pick up this one is just like they're not picking up your call feel free to start talking now it's a voicemail and then I would already go up in the middle I feel like the if I'm the one leaving the voicemail or I think people leaving me a voicemail will feel much more like free-flowing and personal if they're just leaving a voicemail and I yeah versus like yeah no one wants to talk to a room yeah robot just kind of changes the vibe completely it's just what is even the point it's kind of just like they Google just added a bunch of features to screen calls and it's like if I get like a like a Spam thing and a Spam spammer starts talking I just hit the red button and it's gone yeah but the thing is if you were able to screen calls already like if Apple can just be like okay we're interrupting the the voicemail feature and we're allowing you to pick up during that call why does Google even have to do the thing where it's like I'm a robot please talk I always I guess they introduce the rest of the prompts later I also always felt like that made it feel like a personal assistant kind of thing it almost feels way more businessy than like personal which is like cool for businesses like if I'm yeah you know really busy during my work day and it's I'm screening voice calls it's cool it feels like I have a personal assistant I could just do that while I'm still working but when it's like my Mom calling me like I don't want to send her a robot to be like yeah I think also like overly cautious with these kind of things where anytime they're doing anything with a robot they're like let's make sure that people know it's a robot yeah this feels like a simpler version a simpler more like personal easier yeah yeah every day kind of thing same thing with FaceTime yes you can leave a FaceTime video voice I love this which is like if you FaceTime someone and they miss it you've already got your camera open and you're gonna do a video call in some way you just leave a video message yeah I think the point of FaceTiming someone usually is especially if you're FaceTiming them when they don't know you're about to FaceTime them is that you want to demonstrate something so being able to have a video call demonstrate something and it's just like a voicemail yeah I think it's a really cool feature unless you're calling from a Vision Pro headset but we'll get to that we'll get to that cool that like like I want to FaceTime someone because my kid just took their first steps or something and then you can be like look what's happening right now like you missed this but look you can still see it yeah I think that's really cool yeah I love that um they also have personalized contact posters which is again a very ecosystem this is so ecosystem yeah they changed the way that they can't yeah it's cool they change the way contacts look uh it's way prettier now um and it basically like does the cut out of your body and then you can use your own photos it's the iOS 16 lock screen for a poster absolutely absolutely which is awesome the iOS 16 lock screen was sick and now you can airdrop it to someone by putting your phone right next to theirs okay just your iPhones though so this is probably one of the coolest features in iOS 17 uh if your friends have iPhones uh they added a bunch of functions to tapping your phones together which I think is a very futuristic very like we always assumed you could just kind of like that's how it works so this one's called name drop which I think is a great great name they name everything don't they yeah yeah you just bring your iPhones together and all of a sudden I don't know if the animation is actually the way it looked on in the video but it's like this Rippling thing where all of a sudden your contact posters are just like dribble into each other's phones um I think that's really cool I think the neat touch is you get to choose exactly which contact information you share oh yeah with each person so if I'm seeing you and I'm like oh do you have my phone number no and I do that I can go yeah phone number just share the phone number and we beam phones and you get my phone number or if I'm at a conference and I'm like work email I'll share just a work email when we beam phones yeah oh harassment fake number I'll give you a fake number here's my number and it's fake and you just walk away you can make a bunch of different contact posters and you can just make one that has fake information so if you don't actually want that person to contact you you just give them fake information and you're like I beamed you I beamed you you got it all right see you later yeah yeah so that's that's very ecosystem that's uh oh you have an Android sorry I guess yeah I'll give you my phone number David pops up is popping out of the screen on his iPhone and then I call and it's just like a green am on the screen I have like right now a hole punch in a card that'll that'll if you just dial that number that'll be it uh no yeah airdrop for names name drop uh there's there are actually speaking of airdrop there are a lot of airdrop updates that I think are cool because I never thought of airdrop as something that needed to be updated besides stability yeah um but now if you're airdropping some something to someone but you really have to go when you get out of range it'll continue air dropping over the Internet super useful which is interesting I um they showed using Apple photos like airdropping photos and I do wonder if for that feature to work you have to already have what you're airdropping them like in the cloud because then it just kind of like like hands Shake shares it over your accounts and continues to download it I'm not sure if that's the case we're gonna have to test that yeah when we looked at the images and stuff it had the little like apple photos logo remember that's what we were trying to figure this out so not over mobile data it's because it's already in the cloud on the internet we'll be over mobile day it will be cellular but you wouldn't be cellular to their other phone it would be like cellular to pull it from some Cloud Source instead of straight from there oh I was assuming it's like sending something to the cloud so source and then the cloud source is sending it back I think it's like you're sending it locally over the Wi-Fi Direct handshake that you have with white uh with airdrop but then if you get out of range because that file is theoretically also in the cloud it can finish downloading it it already knows what bytes it's downloaded so it downloads the rest I don't know if that that's how it works definitively but that's how I I would understand it disclaimer that's an assumption yeah yeah yeah we gonna test it we're going to test that yeah um also airdrop now works with Apple watch uh I'm gonna use so many videos on the Apple watch yeah you can well you can do the name drop thing with Apple watch too you can bring your like watch to someone's phone and it'll be me I don't know that would be kind of silly so I can do it yeah someone's gonna do it hahaha who I am cool yeah um you can also start share plays Now by bringing your devices together just like name drop very cool start shared activities um yeah and then messages messages has a ton of lots of updates to messages yeah which I don't use messages so I'm just kind of watching the the sticker thing I think was probably the like biggest thing they showed did um I think it search features well the search feature is really cool so search feature with filters right and then so you can basically search one thing and then after you've searched that then you can also keep searching further and further there's that there's also the benefit that um before you would have to search messages wide for a word you couldn't search within somebody's message which was stupid right like if I wanted to search for a very specific thing that I talked to Adam about I would just have to search in messages and everybody else that said that word would also pop up yeah so you have to search their name yes yeah there's no individual search threads like there has been really surprising yeah Android one of the things where like there's a lot of things they add which you're like you couldn't do that before but yeah you this is this is the iMessage experience and I always like breeze through these and every time I say them there's a bunch of people going finally and you're like oh yeah people use iMessage a lot yeah so search filters is one yeah uh transcribed inline audio messages is another so if I send someone an audio message they would just have a little play button and it would be a waveform that they played and it would disappear and if you don't have time for that waveform you can see the transcription now yeah this is on slack for like videos best thing ever like so having that in there is actually really cool Google messages has a telegram has it I think pretty much every single messaging app has been adding it in the last like year and a half something about live captions recently has just made me very happy me too I think it's really awesome and I used to complain about people sending me voice notes all the time because it's like bro I'm on the subway I have to put my headphones on just to listen to your voice note and then take them off you know so that's really nice to see um the sticker experience you were talking about yeah it's like rather than reactions you can just straight up put stickers onto messages now and then my main question there is like it kind of looked like they could put them wherever but they always put them on the right side of the screen but like if you're a bad faith sticker actor like are you gonna just start like putting stickers all over your messages so you can't read things oh my gosh like I probably then your Android friend just gets like Andrew moved sticker to 300 comma 458. like what is happening and the cool yeah I can't maybe did they only do this because RCS made reactions a little nicer first I want to make our lives miserable I think that there is probably going to be like no way for an SMS message to interpolate we need to test this that's a really funny point this was 100 like apple watching the Google Presentation being like oh you want us to support RCS we'll show you and then Hiroshi was watching this presentation like come on RCS RCS and they were like you can put stickers anywhere how are we gonna fix this this is there's no way you have an Android person in the group chat if you're trying to do sticker chaos I have a feeling that this is just not going to work at all because this feature will stop working so previously if you had a single Android User in the group chat you couldn't use any iMessage features except for the like reactions and stuff and then it would do that weird interpolation stuff one of the good updates well it's actually you can inter interpret this in various ways you could say it's a good update or a worse update but now if you have an Android User in the group chat you can still use a lot of iMessage functions and I'm assuming that they're doing some weird like in-between hacky thing because it's still same way Google did I guess uh well that was with that was with like stickers oh not stickers the reactions they would catch an SMS from a reaction and turn it into a reaction inline in Google's app yeah but like you're still able to do now you're still able to do iMessage features with other iPhone users in the group chat even if there's an Android User where previously you couldn't besides reactions so they're adding specific ones it's not like every iMessage feature I think this helps in a lot of ways because it makes it so having one Android User in the group chat will not make everyone bully the Android User to get out of the group chat which you can't even do by the way because it's an SMS chat you can't leave and enter you have to start a new one it's a whole mess I think that that's good but we'll see how that plays out Apple likes it one other thing I just realized we missed it but I think it was kind of cool no oh oh no stickers was there anything else on Stick well you can make animations animated ones because you can do the you can do the tap and hold thing um where you like cut out a a person from a photo and you can use that as a sticker system-wide on any app you can also do it with uh with videos now so I think it was live photos oh live photos yeah so I think it would pick out live photos it felt could do it correctly or look good and then in the live photos it would do exactly that and you can apparently use those stickers in like a lot of apps which is very cool yeah it just adds to your like Emoji section as your own stickers which is I think really cool anyway what were you gonna say uh the check-in feature I thought was actually kind of cool um just like you know we all you tell a loved one like oh um about like yesterday told Claire oh I'm getting on the plane now and she'll be like oh let me know when you land or like if you're saying I'm gonna drive back an hour let me know when you get there it can tell you said that in the sen in the messages and then a little thing will pop up that says like you made it there and tell them you're safe or just like if you start going off track and don't quite make it there I'll send an alert to the person you're talking about I'm worried about well I don't use this but if I had this I would be worried then Claire knows I spent an extra 30 minutes going to Taco Bell on my way home or whatever and like gonna get knocked out on that turn this one off otherwise I think it's actually kind of a cool thing especially I'm sure for parents that have kids I think it's a great idea for women too like for sure it's a huge safety feature yeah when she used to go on like First Dates she would share her her location with me and it's like this is I think basically I think it's a really good Loki safety feature yeah sure yeah is one of the things where apple looks at the way people use the phone and they're like we can make that better yeah then they just did it yeah yeah very cool um autocorrect Transformer based autocorrect thank God you can now uh it'll basically learn how you text so if multiple times you you say like a word that is like slang or something the worst part of the iPhone yeah the keyboard is the worst part of the iPhone by far like every time I type a Word and I'm like oh that's not the word delete it type it again it fixes it I delete it you should know that when I deleted it twice I didn't want to say it yeah and then I type it again and it just keeps going this is the worst keyboard ever [ __ ] sucks it's yeah I did like I like that they did make that reference because that's the most classic one like you type it it fixes it you delete it you type it again it fixes it again you're like in what world would I ever say ducking I've never said that word yeah so now number one it will learn from words that you actually use thank God and it will actually auto correct and help you pick your next word based on the way you usually say strings of words uh there's inline typing predictions kind of like you have in like Google Docs where if you're typing something it'll predict the next word and you can just hit space and it fills it in finally yeah there's sentence level auto correction which is really useful and that's something that you need Transformers for these are all things Google keyboard has been doing for a while yes indeed we should make a short of this have you ever seen the people who they sing songs based on like the Google keyboard next prediction so they just keep pressing no no they just keep pressing yeah but then it usually just stands you should do apple song versus Apple keyboard song Google keyboards yeah I have to use it for a month and it really knows you very well just see what it says see what it thinks he would say yeah yeah yeah so yeah the the autocorrect and the updates to the keyboard really really useful I'm very excited about that so anyone can get in case you guys didn't know anyone can get the developer beta now it used to be that you had to like pay 99 sign up specifically as a developer I'm not actually sure if I checked a check box that said I understand and I agree and I'm a developer now yeah I to renew my developer account but I don't need it to have I don't need to pay the hundred bucks to have the iOS beta but yeah yeah if you want to try it it's super not stable I actually don't recommend it yet and I don't recommend it's a developer beta for a reason maybe the public betas maybe hop on those but that's where we're at can I talk about standby mode really quick oh yeah oh yeah yeah of course okay and last thing in iOS which is I don't know why I'm like excited about these things and I don't even use an iPhone but the or it's not even called standby mode I think it's just called standby oh yes standby it's called Sam I think this is I thought it was really cool pretty much and the reason I think this is cool is just because of compatibility with magsafe on all these things we're just like you have a magsafe stand or I think does it have to be on a magsafe stand or it can be kind of whenever I think it does have to be on a magsafe stand because there's a microprocessor handshake I think it's better with a mask I think that's what it is automatically do it but I think on stage they said as long as your phone is char charging and horizontal which would sort of require a magnet to do that but yeah it's sort of actually I have a horizontal wireless charger at home it just has a little lip on the bottom so I think yeah the Cyber truck one it would be yeah yeah but anyways the magsafe stands are cool because you can put them kind of wherever and essentially what it is is a mode that just allows like a bunch of different Widgets or just like your alarm clock and stuff like that and it's yeah it's just like it's basically a smart home display yeah but I think the coolest thing about it is depending on where in your house you are and you put it on those mag saves It'll like change whatever like texture you want those widgets to be there so like at your bed it'll be an alarm clock if you do in the kitchen maybe it's a timer widget or or a to do like a grocery list widget or maybe sports scores in your like living room I I don't know it looked really nice and even when you turn the lights off like in your bedroom it'll like change the colors of everything to like glow down it's like the Apple watch Ultra like diving mode right bed where it's like it's super low light doesn't affect your eyes yeah it feels like the homepod team was like can we make one with a screen Apple's like no and they're like but we made all this cool stuff we have and all these all these tricks and they're like do we have any other screens we can use or like there's a lot of people with iPhones so we built this for the iPhone I want them to add magsafe to the um iPad mini and then also allow you to do this like in your kitchen because that's basically a home display someone's gonna build a stand to hold the iPad Mini sideways and charge it and then Apple it needs I feel like it needs the official bag safe yeah to do that though so then it does that like handshake and then yeah uh just like at home Wi-Fi iPad Mini that can do that on all those stands epic you can also say hey so you don't have to say hey anymore but you don't have to say hey anymore oh yeah so you can just yell her name you can also interrupt her in the middle of her uh speaking now and like a new command or just say stop you can just say stop like while she's talking I'm saying Hey Siri whoa [Laughter] everyone was ready for their notes to get all messed up or whatever but yeah Google does it at their presentations too they'd say it like three or four times on stage I wonder if that if you're watching sort of like localized I was gonna say it's like a Geo game it triggered a lot of trigger okay it did okay that's funny um yeah I think yeah the standby Mode's really cool um there is there's like a bunch of rumors that they're going to have a home what is it was their Smarter with a homepod yeah a homepod with a display at some point it would be nice um how about a home pod with a little cutout where you magnetize your iPhone that could work like the pixel tablet has a stand yes you just pop your iPhone yeah into your iPod and then your music connects to the homepod this is a free product that yeah I just realized whoops uh but then you positive and then it's got this smart display with like the smart home controls and everything but it's also a better speaker and a long form mic they call it iHome and they have they have the little 32 pin you know the little dock I think that's a great idea magsafe is the new 30 pin yeah dang yeah uh also randomly uh there's a journal app now but it's not out yet oh yeah it'll probably come only on iOS yeah it's not an iPad yet which seems weird because if you're journaling a lot of people would want to use the pencil you know one more thing the phone does it's not on the tablet yeah they kind of always do that and then they wait like four years and they're like haha we brought this to we know you've been waiting for the iPad except the calculator we're never doing that yeah yeah but no we did get iPad OS 17. uh my favorite feature specifically is that widgets are now interactable meaning that if you have let's say you have a to-do list app with a check box you can check the box without opening the app I know this is mind-blowing information I know this is something that a lot of Android users thought you could always do I believe that that was not something you can never do it a widget I don't know it's just a shortcut to open the app it's got glanceable information which is cool so if you have like a weather app you can't scroll but at least you can look at the weather stupid but like there's so many instances where I want to interact with it and you can't it just opens the app fifty percent of the engagement in this video this episode is gonna be like I've had this on Android yes 10 years there's a lot of things we've had so my number one question which I don't think we've seen an answer to yet is but wait can you scroll and I don't think you can scroll there were no examples on stage of scrolling which sounds silly but like imagine a four-day weather forecast and you scroll over to the next four days imagine a to-do list app with more than five items and you need to scroll down to find the thing you just did imagine a calendar widget with more than five days and you want to scroll to the next five days imagine a contacts list where you want to like contact the sixth person but you only have the first five showings so you scroll to the next five imagine uh aren't there like Photo widgets also like can you not imagine all the people living for today there's a lot of versions of wanting to scroll in a widget so hey apple as long as I'm on the free suggestions bandwagon scrolling widgets remember when I cut Marquez off about I about widgets before this is why this is just like no no you go now you're in it it's cool that I can check the box Apple I appreciate that uh and you can you can also add those widgets to the side of your lock screen so you can sort of redesign your lock screen now with some widgets over to the side cool check those boxes in the widgets nice uh just let me scroll go off King yeah oh you you mentioned the weather app really quickly this is very dumb and very stupid I just want to note that now on the weather app they didn't ask us on stage but it's just an update um you can now look at yesterday's weather hmm which you couldn't do before anyway we can move on nice other iPad yeah talk about PDF standard PDFs you can do them they're there next no yeah I don't know there's like autofill stuff and like replacing your signature and uh wasn't it also I do think the one cool thing was you could real time chat with someone else working on the same PDF and add notes that wouldn't it's in the notes app so you can bring PDFs into the notes app and it has a bunch of different features that PDFs can do now like if you can scan a PDF with your phone it turns it into a PDF uh it automatically knows where the like fields are that you want to write on and it makes those typable fields and can autofill them and can autofill them uh and then you can like draw on top of it and then if you're sharing your note with another person they can like see those changes in real time and also draw on top of it yeah and I think you can even like you can add something to it like a photo and then still draw on top of that and yeah I know it's just a bunch of layers and all these things sound kind of dumb but like PDFs are kind of a pain in the neck sometimes so like yeah I do actually think it's useful it's just not it's like one of the oldest file formats I know but that everyone requires all the time and maybe PRP people will stop sending me docx when they require for the love of God they always require signatures and they always send me docx and then I have to convert them to PDF every time it and then send it back yeah this is such an in the weeds thing but if you're a PR manager sending out doc Texas for signatures just take the extra minute and make it a PDF and then send it to us yeah like these that's an evergreen PR statement it's like PR guys just take an extra minute we'll all appreciate it way more think about it nobody watching this understands what we're talking about right now but we have to sign a lot of ndas and documents and it's always a docx and nobody wants to print it out anyway I want to talk about airpods adaptive audio is a new mode very cool and I thought this was interesting so there's transparency mode which is now adaptive transparency it's pretty cool it's mostly transparent unless a loud sound comes through then it protects your hearing then there's noise cancellation which is just reduce everything and listen to your music but now the new default is called adaptive audio and I had to get some clarification on this but it's basically a constantly adapting level of noise cancellation based on your environment which is cool and it will be transparent when it detects you start talking yeah because you're now in conversation mode so if you are walking down the street and a car passes by it'll turn that up so you don't hear the car passing yeah or maybe there's a siren and you do need to hear it I don't know I don't know exactly how this works I need to test it but it seems like it's supposed to be smart about this stuff you're ordering a coffee and you don't start talking to turn into transparency mode I think they just want to make it so you have to touch the stems as little as possible yeah it just automatically that and also just like safety-ness so you can still walk down the street while being able to like really hear your music but like if that siren happens or if that like really important safety issue is like making noise that can alert you like this seems like basically it's for the wear air pods everywhere people yeah are we at that maybe you guys know because you're maybe wearing airpods are we at that stage of society where that happens where we like I don't know even transparency mode on like my link buds if someone talks to me I just take both of them out because I feel rude there is a generation of people we're getting there right no there's a generation of people who just wears them all the time they wear pods for sure actually miles wore them non-stop for like the first couple of weeks that's because he's 22. yeah oh my God out of your ears when you talk to me Sonny no that's a good that's a great Point actually I always take my earbuds out when someone stops me on the street but I would bet you that there are a lot yeah I think there are people that just yeah and they're not wrong they just understand it and like I think there's so many people when I'm talking to them I don't know that they understand that I can hear them and it just feels the gray area for me is on a flight because I have airpods on and a lot of other people do but I still like take an ear cup off to talk to the flight attendant yeah but also like flight attendants see this all the time they must know that we can hear them through the headphones so maybe I don't have to do that I don't know I don't know note uh this is this feature is not coming to airpods Max it's only coming to airpods too not even airpods for what just airpods Pro too okay so it's truly for the wear them everywhere people yeah I'm actually not a huge fan of this feature like the more I thought about it because the Sony's have a very similar thing the over-ear wh-1000x M3s yeah um where if you start talking it'll like pause the music or into transparency mode or something I think the M4 has added the automatic feature on the M3s you would hold the ear cup and it would turn on transparency but I have to always download the app turn that feature off and then use the headphone you don't like the Sony app next topic that's a bad app um but I feel like by the time we get to the point where we're all comfortable wearing earphones to talk to people all the time people will start having things on your face and then we're gonna get into the weird stage of do I take my guys I'm saying dysons ahead of their time quick things uh tvos now supports FaceTime so you can put your screen up who is going to do this well there see this is the thing this is the this is the third theme is like apple looks at what people are mostly doing with their phones and they're going oh that's a lot of people doing that we can make that better there's a lot of people who are on FaceTime who want to put it on the TV and I've witnessed this with families they're like oh there's nine people in the room we all want to see Grandma and they put it on the TV but then the phone the camera's here so now they have like a dock they put it up next to the TV so everyone's talking about in front of your TV and nobody has a dock for their team it's just it's a small Niche thing that some families do that it'll be better for them also how am I gonna like text when my family's boring it's not if it's at the TV now yeah but they already knock you out because if you're if you're on FaceTime and you and you like multitask while you're on a FaceTime it Blocks Your it makes your camera black no not with the newest FaceTime wait really yeah the newest the newest I think iOS 16 it could change use your camera feed oh really yeah okay good so you can multitask and it doesn't in the past it was like yeah it would be like this person's not like this person's decent out bro it's not listening at all but yeah I just feel like if you need to buy an additional Hardware dock for this one Niche circumstance that you don't use that yeah I don't know if you need a dock I just know that well you need something to hold your phone exactly yeah I was gonna say arrested on the TV but a lot of people Mount TVs I don't know I don't know anyway it's a thing yeah is that the only thing where TVs well and then there's the like TV oh share play in hotels right well that's that's it I don't know in the lab that it'll take a while uh one thing that they're adding is you can use your own photos for your Apple TV wallpaper now and it's basically Chromecast from literally like yeah years ago the original Chromecast that just would use your Google photos albums and kind of rotate through you could now do that so Apple's looking at what their own users are doing and they're looking at what everyone else's users are doing yeah we could do that too yeah uh okay watch us 10 10. they had a sick as crap is can I say crap you can say duck yeah they're the sickest duck animation for watch OS that was that one right yeah intro video I think David and I looked at each other and we're like that was crazy I feel like they ditched a lot of just the Drone shots for this um and they did all these animations in between everything they were really good I do miss the Drone stuff but the animation for this was it was pretty epic it was really good yeah yeah um I don't like the logo for watching S10 I think it's kind of boring um but also logos are boring yeah yeah wait I just remembered something oh sorry that also is watch OSN but we'll talk about that in a second I thought the I thought some of these were pretty cool but it I'm the only one who doesn't use an Apple Watch and everyone else I know me says this looks nice yeah tell us what I'm gonna enjoy I did is the Smart stack widgets not like a pretty cool idea I thought that seemed really neat to just like be able to be like okay I have a bunch of widgets that's basically taking account for what I'm doing in a day and then when I scroll up like it's gonna show me the widget that's most likely to be the next thing that I have to do yeah yeah it didn't have to be a whole new OS version but yeah it's a cool feature well they were always looking at they're always gonna push a new OS version yes of course yeah I mean it's definitely not the big redesign that we thought that was rumored to happen yeah um there's some cool things like they make things there's more stuff that happens in the corners of of different apps and the health I did like the full screen Health app I don't know there that's mixed because so so now you used to be able to see your steps your move time and your stand time all in like one screen and now they're full screen is that still not there and now just when you go into each individual one it's like a more detailed version I think you have to look at them on each individual page it does give you more information about that metric but you have to like scroll to a new page every time I mean I guess ultimately the Rings are that information yes and you see them all together and then you go into more individually definitely okay that's true that's a good point yeah um there's also Snoopy face you guys aren't pumped about that I actually thought that was cool that's nice it's a watch face that has Snoopy and the bird is it they sit on your clock and they play things and they do and like oh anyway when it rains like it it adapts to the weather so when it's raining that's true he has little umbrella that is true is this a new watch face or is this a new OS version this is an entire new operating system yeah I guess for Snoopy baby there's a couple cool activity changes yeah one that I really really like there's a bunch of cycling stuff but I don't understand anything about cycling so if you like cycling it was probably like your max power level connected to a stationary bike and actually get like Cadence and stuff yeah we're connected to a monitor on a bike where if you're actually cycling it'll show the information that that monitor was is knowing on your Apple I think it also goes vice versa where it's gauging how like your potential power output is based on your watch and the metrics from your heart rate and everything and then it displays it on a phone that's mounted on your bike yeah so a lot of people bike with like a separate meter that shows them things like power and Cadence okay and that stuff will pair to your watch and show it in line with your heart rate and everything else oh which is pretty cool that was just completely confused about that but yeah cool I liked the hiking updates yeah and mostly one specific one that was essentially it will auto-generate a waypoint in the hiking app that shows the last place that you had reception or the last place that you also just had and somewhat of reception that you can send SOS signals so basically when you're hiking if you're losing reception and no you need to call somebody or or are in a dangerous position where you need to send an SOS you can know the last place where that is and they'll track you back to it I think that's that's something stupidly cool great safety feature so handy um the other thing I just remembered though wasn't there something with golf swings where like it can tell the angle of your wrists so I think we need to test this because my golf swing I have enough power to drive the ball but I shank is that going you you probably are slicing the ball slicing where it starts off straight and turns to the right for me as a righty yes yes yeah I do that so let's see if it can fix that so they showed a demo where like you swing and then because it's on your wrist it shows it knows your angle of impact at the ball I mean I guess they're pretty precise sensors I just man golf swings are complicated and that that I am very skeptical about so we'll see I would like to test it because I think I have enough power to where it would be noticeably different because when I do actually hit the ball correctly I feel like I have a decent it's a decent hit but 99 of the time I'm just hitting the right net at top call yeah it's like swaying it in yeah so they showed like uh at impact your your hands were open and that's like on its face is really cool but like people have weak or strong grips so they won't be open at impact even though the club face is open so do they line up their their hand with the club face or not you don't know you just have it on the wrist you don't know a lot of things about the golf swing so we'll see is what people feel like when I start talking about basketball yeah yes this is better for mini golf because it can tell easily like when you're putting and you just do the simple backswing and forward swing like oh okay I know if I went open or closed because it's a very obvious movement but the golf swing all kinds of other movements happen I'm just imagining the driving range of people like fix my swing just screaming it can only tell you what's wrong with your swing it can't fix you I could just tell you what you did wrong no one could not how to fix it just yet just go to therapy people men will literally analyze their golf swing before going to therapy okay um on that note I'll probably take a quick break there's more there's more what there's the hiking stuff oh yeah um well we we said that well the topographic map there's a topographic map cool that seems cool all right all right now we'll go to bed now we'll go to Breakers we got a lot of we got a lot of headsets to talk about because Apple didn't make a new first gen product there's one more thing what's the one more thing okay okay there is actually one more thing there is now a mindfulness app uh where you can like log your mood you can describe how you're feeling which I think like journaling your mood is probably a good this feels more like the journaling app than the journaling app it does um but the thing that was kind of weird to me is that you can also they can pull up a test where you can like take this test and depending on what you say It'll like suggest you go talk to someone and that's I think that's good in general it just it's very interesting to see how into the health stuff apple is willing to push right because Amazon you know recently bought a medical company and I could foresee Apple also be coming like we have more Health Data on you than like almost any other company so okay spoiler alert this is a sort of a preview into a really interesting conversation we're going to have on the podcast soon with a doctor because there is a ton of Apple watch versus health questions and then the mindfulness and then how do you diagnose versus use what the watch tells you so that's gonna be a whole episode so stay tuned for that subscribe if you haven't already to see that but um I think the the funny ironic part to end on is there is a data point which tells you hey you've been really close to a screen a lot lately yeah maybe maybe back off for a little bit and be further from a screen and then we immediately got into the next product which is strapping screen to your face yeah so on that note we'll take a break and we'll come back and we'll talk about Vision Pro [Music] all right welcome back we got one more thing to talk about just like apple had one more thing to talk about and it was the first generation of a new product category a watch no just kidding it's a headset it's a it's an AR VR headset and this again completes the theme of Apple not wanting to use words that other companies use at no point did they want to say this is an AR VR headset they didn't say virtual reality very often they actually called it spatial Computing yes before they said AR VR but the point is it's a headset that you put on your face that costs three thousand five hundred dollars will come out early next year and uh well they give a bunch of demos of it I got to try it it has a bunch of really interesting Tech let's talk about it yeah yeah um so on the like XR extended reality uh spatial Computing idea front I actually I was thinking about this all night last night I was like writing about my feelings about this headset last night just to get my feelings out about it I actually think that the journal app no yeah Journal I actually think that the extended reality like spatial Computing phrasing is really good for this headset because it is not really supposed to be a VR headset like it is so for those listening and also watching there's like this digital there's a digital crown on it that you can turn and as you turn it it takes you from The Real World into a more digital world and you can just on the fly whenever you feel like it put yourself more in a digital world or more in a real world and I think that that is a really good idea because virtual reality headsets you only are able to be in VR and for so many people that means that the only use case for using a VR headset is basically like playing games or that kind of stuff right whatever's in a virtual world yeah yeah but that means that you're gonna only be in that virtual world and you have no other options and most people don't want to be immersed in this virtual world for a long period of time because one just evolutionarily people don't like not being able to see or feel what's around them like there are predators that could attack you right um and so I think that Apple wants this to feel just like an extension of what you're already doing which is what AR was originally sort of intended for and the reason I think that Google Glass was like one of the best inventions ever but it just got completely destroyed because of privacy concerns um but I think their point with this is that they want you to mostly just like be in real life but then be able to like use those experiences when you want to interesting um so yeah do you want to talk more about like what the headset is yeah I'll give you so I'll give you the breakdown basically of controls versus other headsets so if you've ever seen an AR VR headset typically a VR headset is this plastic shell you strap to your face and then you get a set of controllers or you can do stuff with your hands this is a metal and glass headset that you strap to your face there are no controllers being made for it it isn't controlled entirely by your hands your eyes your eyes and your voice the eyes is the craziest this to me is like the big difference really with like an Apple product obviously there's a lot more to talk about but really it feels like The Innovation here was UI again like it reminds me a lot of the first iPhone where you have this like pinch to zoom moment on stage and everyone goes whoa you can just pinch the screen and make it bigger and it seems so obvious now but the same thing happens in that headset where instead of like the normal experience which is I have the controller I point out in space and I hold a trigger and I like drag something and this one I just look at what I want to touch and then I just touch my fingertips together and it clicks it and your fingertips can be anywhere they can be in your lap they can be off to the side almost anywhere almost anywhere as long as you're in the front somewhere but honestly I try so I did my demo like I did it by accident like yeah on the couch next to my fingers connected and I clicked something by accident I should say you have to try to be out of range sure of course yeah yeah you can't do it like this yeah I heard people talking about how they were like testing it and like it does get I mean so or if like I guess something is like in the way of your hands right yeah so there are cameras two on the front two on the side two facing down so generally think about that that's where it's sensing things it's a 180 degree field of view basically yeah it's got a super high resolution display for each eye well over 4K it's the sharpest VR headset I've ever seen it has a lot of cameras and the two on the front are for stereoscopic 3D and it does full color pass-through it's the best pass-through in any headset I've ever seen definitely and then the eye tracking is borderline telepathic so what happens is with the headset you start with a calibration thing so it shows some dots on the screen like a DOT appears and it shrinks down and you look at it and another dot appears and you look at it and so it's looking at your irises there's a bunch of sensors on the inside to see what your eyes are looking at and then once it's done with that it opens up you get to the home screen and the UI is there you hit the digital Crown the apps show up and you just look at the icon and it highlights like me and then others are still and you look at another icon it's like oh me and it's this really interesting like telepathic dance where like I look all over the screen and as soon as my eye stops it highlights exactly what I'm looking at there's a home screen bar at the bottom there's a little icon to like drag to make Windows bigger God there's so much to talk about I know I look out a window I select it and I push it back in space and with Incredible precision and responsiveness it moves it around the room exactly where I want in any UI Direction there are shadows cast under the windows in the room so I'm moving a window back and I see it cast a shadow I have Safari going I'm scrolling up and down you know with like the physics of like an iPhone scrolling you can like scroll it up and catch it and like toss it around you can do all of that in the air in real time unbelievably responsive yeah more so than any I've ever seen I mean I tried the quest Pro and the quest Pro is as close as I've seen to that there's a psvr2 um just this one is it's the highest quality UI of any headset I've ever seen with the pass-through and the eye control and the hands and everything um a lot of other interesting features there's the iris scanning unlocking it's called what uh just because your eyes is unique as your fingerprint so that's cool um borderline creepy borderline creepy but at least it's just like IR camera for sure on like how to unlock something and then I think the most iconic piece of this whole thing is this headset appears to be transparent but it is not what you're seeing when you're looking at the headset and there are eyes looking back at you it's actually just a sort of a it's an OLED screen flipped around showing what your eyes are computed to look like on the inside uh but really it only shows up when you're in some sort of a pass-through mode and you can see other things in the room yeah as soon as you're not in a pass-through mode if you're watching a movie or you can't see anything it shuts it down you don't see the eyes and it's just like an animation and this is one of those things that is it's fascinating it's one I don't think we're gonna see any other headset do this I think it adds a lot of cost it adds a lot of weight and it adds no benefit to the person actually wearing the headset it's mainly just so that you can wear it without looking like a meme of the eye thing yeah I think that I think makes you look like a man well it does but it it I think they were specifically thinking about how do we make this acceptable to wear out in public and so don't do it also I I do think they would argue that the part that is benefiting the person wearing it is in that situation someone comes into your field of view and you're trying to communicate with them is you don't have to take it off now yeah or that's what they want you they don't want you to take it off and like that taking it on and off is is benef but I'm just you this is their argument not mine it's beneficial to the person wearing it because you're not taking it off I think the weird thing about the eyes is like I think it shows one of the coolest things that I think they did really well and then everyone's only focusing on the eyes which is kind of the weird part it's really cool that you can have windows open and someone comes close enough to you where it assumes you want to like they want to talk to you like you're not stuck in this this so your world like feature for this that part is really cool where it comes forward and it pushes them through the screen and that's when it activates the eyes because then you're communicating with them that is really cool and it's only when you make eye contact with each other so they can be like in here but only when you like look at them they sort of like Fade Into Your virtual reality yeah well they need to be able to they fade in if they just get close enough I don't think so you can't make eye contact for someone if there's a window okay so you can because you can you can look over it in that direction behind you if they come from behind a screen you can't make eye contact with them they're not always going to make it into those spaces if they come from behind a screen it it goes like 10 more transparent than usual and you can see that there is a face there and then if you choose to look at the face then they sort of like fog away it still like finds a way to fade someone in when it thinks there's someone in close enough to you rather than just being completely oblivious yeah which is a feature I have not seen on like that the way that it does it is so amazing like yeah just the the fluency of them like slowly fading in and then you kind of look at them and they fade in a lot more and then if even if you're in full virtual mode if you're looking at them suddenly you've just got this person that's there as well it's freaking amazing that sounds kind of creepy but also is way less creepy than somebody just standing outside if you don't know they're there so like I think that is an awesome feature but then that feature everyone's just thinking about the stupid eyes that come in front of it which is like it's so cool and so memeable at the same time like the whole crowd was laughing when they kept showing eyes coming through it was really interesting so just disclosure David and I have tried the headset and we've gotten our demos of it and there was like a 30 minute full demo of a bunch of different features I want to hit on a couple other features and things we got to try one is you can do face times in the headset it's its own computer with an M2 Chip and an R1 chip which is doing all the real-time processing of the sensors and you can jump on a FaceTime and you don't have to have a pair to an iPhone or anything it's connected to Wi-Fi and you pick up the FaceTime and there's like a window or two windows or however many people are on and you can see everyone's face times and their video feeds but what do they see oh funny you ask uh they will see a 3D reconstructed version of you that is sort of animated in real time to match the way you look and you actually have to scan yourself in by turning a headset around and scanning yourself as a registration process yeah and so then there's this like high-res cartoon version of you and I actually got to chat with one of them which I assume you did too yeah yeah it's kind of like Google starline-ish a little bit worse quality I would say yeah yeah um so that was that was interesting to see the demos made it look like and you guys can confirm this like the quality of your face in Starline was better but the like cut out of Starline was really rough and that looked like the actual image of it was better just like lower quality well so there's no background or anything yeah it's just kind of like a floating but Starline had like that weird like squiggly cut out yeah because they tried to put you on like a fake background yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean Starline was a million times more Mercer because it's a 60 inch real screen but this was more just like a little floating window in front of you yeah and a like a weak Sports Avatar yeah it is it was sort of this weird like you know how meta announced the the really high resolution because there's that Meme of of Zuck like standing in front of the Eiffel Tower like looking like worse than a Wii graphic and then they're like no no this is what it's actually going to look like in the future and they have like this way higher resolution you're gonna be able to scan yourself in yeah it basically is like that and it's this weird like you know it's digital because it's got this weird texture yeah that's what I was trying to explain like it looks from the things and like you looking at it was probably almost looks like do you know when they like blend a bunch of faces together to show you like the like what the average person would look like or like if we were all together it's got sad it's like an uncanny valley thing and I I don't know if people are going to respond well to this they might get used to it um but it's just strange like previously Apple you know in FaceTime allowed you to be a memoji and yeah I think that's so far away from uncanny valley that people were just like used to that it's just a funny thing but this feels like what a Sci-Fi representation of like people are in Holograms this one I feel like is why you have to look forward into the future because this is the first gen version of it but let's say theoretically in the future this gets much better much smaller and much higher quality yeah then maybe it's acceptable to like jump on a FaceTime with a high-res animated version of you and there's hand tracking and face tracking and stuff yeah I guess it's got like it's got good um mapping of your face though because it's got those downwards facing cameras that are seeing your facial expressions so it's not just guessing what your facial expressions are the one thing that was pulling me out of it was like the movements around your eye right like it knows the direction you're looking because it has the iris scanners and stuff there's a lot more happening there's a lot more happening that you're not even really noticing actively like in your cheekbones and your eyebrows and stuff that those were pretty static and that's why it felt well you also have a thing pressing up against your face at that point so those things can't really exactly exactly so yeah that was strange this this feels like a kind of weird like when you're gonna FaceTime your friends or your family and you're the only person with this are they gonna be like I don't know how I feel about this probably there's a bunch of people in 2D and it's just like well and it just feels really impersonal right I said this in the video like when I'm FaceTiming friends and family I'm trying to see my friends and family like actually see them right and at this particular moment this 2023 version of it it does not feel like I'm actually seeing the person maybe in the future it's so high res and accurate and it's a recent scan because this is the thing I could scan myself a month ago and I'm using that old scan it's like that's not what I look like right now but maybe it eventually it gets really good and it feels like I'm talking to a person but right now it feels worse than a FaceTime this is like a better version of an audio call but worse than a video call I was gonna say this looks like a better version of the like meta like AR VR business stuff this feels like a business thing not a person yeah like I wouldn't care if I'm just doing a meeting with it's like you guys like and we're doing like oh let's go over and edit or doing something in 3D like yeah I don't care quite as much as like what we feel like we're doing in the moment but FaceTime feels way more personal and this feels a little weird for that this to me feels like a perfect feature that will make sense in 10 years like the digital Crown right now when you rotate it it'll go from VR to AR right yeah the goal is to always have it rotated so that you're just in AR is that not the case well the 10 years they want you to always be in AR not necessarily mode yeah they already want you to mostly be an AR but you can switch it but you can switch it to VR because sometimes being that's only because that's what we're capable of right now I don't think like if this was just an AR machine that would be weird like they have to add the VR things no one's going to wear this for the functionality of what's currently available it seems like there's a lot there's a lot of potential use case in each yeah like with ar with having like your computer monitors up but being able to see your co-workers around you just like that feels like a kind of useful AR thing but if I'm watching a movie I don't want to see anything else yeah so like VR I want I want to watch a sports game or a movie or something I want full VR but I feel like they're only adding those features because they have to because the headset is so big adding the VR features like if they could have made the glasses yesterday or two days ago whenever they announced this they would have just done that and then we're so far away I think that removes the ability to do most of the best stuff in VR which is like we have cool games we have cool experiences if I want to like really immerse myself in this virtual world that was a lot of the interesting stuff too it's like they showed a bunch of content that was shot for it and it was really really immersive and good it was and I think if you don't have the ability to shut out the outside environment you don't fully appreciate that I want to specifically like first of all yeah like the the immersive stuff um watching movies was really interesting I've watched I've used so many VR headsets where like you basically have a 200 inch display and it actually felt like I was in a movie theater like they put it far enough back and there's like this kind of like this depth that you get even in full VR that I've never had from a different headset before but specifically the like XR mixed reality feature that kind of blew me away the most was how how good it is at understanding spatial reasoning so so first of all when we were doing the demo you're sitting in a couch and the display pops up in front of you and you can pin windows and stuff when I say pin Windows like with other AR stuff that sort of understands your space the the windows will kind of like kind of glitch around they'll jiggle because they're trying to understand like where are you again like but no it's like you can walk around the room and if this is here it is there it is not moving at all if you put a window on the ceiling It'll like spin around and walk around the room and look back up there it's exactly where you put it that's one of my questions because Andrew and I didn't get to try it so like when you walk in for this demo is there like Furniture in the room yeah there's furniture they did a decent job it was like a normal looking room there's some photos if you look at the Good Morning America interview there's stuff maybe not as cluttered as an average yeah there's a couch there's a table in front of you I actually think the more stuff you have the more tracking points it has to latch onto which is probably fine um but yeah it was a pretty normal room was the goal I think the demo that really showed that off to me the most and that blew me away the most is first of all every single VR headset that you will ever use has or ar headset has a T-Rex dinosaur demo for some reason to make it just so you get that like oh I'm scared of this large thing but there was a that exact dinosaur demo I think they showed it in the keynote but basically this this gate portal thing opens up in the wall and it it feels like it's the wall is opening up because the spatial pinning is so good but the thing that was interesting about this demo is they're like so get up walk over to the wall you know they actually have you walk around and the cool thing is like the the refresh rate or whatever and it's and the cameras are so good that I didn't feel like I needed to like be careful about where I was walking I felt like I could just walk freely through it yeah this is the transparency was good enough like I walked right around the table cut you off really quick I don't think people understand how important that is like we've tried every single pass through you can probably think of and they're not great so like this is one thing specifically looking at that that I'm glad you guys got to experience was like pass-through is not very easy because there's you have to have different cameras and the 3D space is like not remember that one I forget what that headset was but when you went into pass-through mode things further away and things closer to you would start wobbling off axis of each other because like those cameras aren't like Computing them together well and that just immediately is like I'm in this weird space and I do not feel comfortable moving totally so that's like crazy that's really really impressive it's a really nice how impressive it is a really Niche way of understanding that that only us will understand you know we've tried to play ping pong and other headsets you could do it in this one yeah you could actually play ping pong with the headset either way yeah totally yeah no it's so good it's so good like I felt no oh God I'm gonna trip oh God maybe I don't see this thing oh God maybe the refresh rate's not high enough especially because depth is usually a problem like I feel like if I toss something up in front of me I would I would maybe be almost able to catch it but it would like hit me in the wrist or something yeah I'm throwing a frisbee I think we can do it yeah I'm yeah I think you could do well we're playing guts yeah I don't know but I do think if I wanted to play ping pong virtually with someone in AR and I could stand in front of a table or yeah like a real like fun game of multiplayer ping pong but the apps are gonna be fun but yeah so the spatial reason thing with this with this T-Rex demo specifically that was like oh my God was they they get you to stand up from the couch you walk over like to the wall with the gate open and everything and the T-Rex is like coming out and he like comes out of the wall and it doesn't matter like usually with these demos you have to stand straight in front of the wall and it if you kind of like Get Off axis a little bit it kind of messes up kind of like the star line thing but with this you can like go over to the other side of the room and kind of look at the wall from over there and the the space is exactly the T-Rex is exactly rendered perfectly quality and it knows where you are so it like comes out of the wall a little bit and it kind of gets up to your face and it's snarling and because these this uh headset also has spatial audio so not only is there like the spatial rendering of your vision but there's also the spatial noise and it makes it so immersive because you're like here and the T-Rex is staring directly at you you feel it right in your if you turn like to your right you feel it's like snarling in your ear it's it's crazy it's really hard to explain because I know that a lot of people have tried these kind of demos and it's like uh like the first time I ever tried VR was trying a Vive in a Microsoft store and I play this game where you're underwater and there's like a whale that goes over you I think it's called like the blue and I felt my heart start racing because I felt the scale of the whale it was kind of the same thing with this yeah I actually there was also some footage that was like because I think with the T-Rex I kind of could not really fully suspend disbelief because it's a T-Rex yeah and we like held our hand out in like a butterfly landed on our finger and stuff and that was cool but there was also footage where like a baby rhino yeah like walk right up to you I was like I now know exactly what it would look like if a baby rhino was right in front of me Apple's got the money that could have been real it was I didn't smell it but I saw it so it was speaking of that Rhino demo they had a few of these like um XR videos right yeah and another feature they added to this headset that we were everyone was memeing I don't know because you should is that because they have all these cameras on it and they're all at sort of different angles you can take 3D videos right and so they have content that is like spatial video content which all the demos they had on the headset were really freaking cool for the spatial video content except they suspect apparently that people are you can also take your own 3D depth videos right and they had this moment in the keynote where there's this like child's birthday party and it's this little girl with all her friends and there's a cake and she's blowing out the candles and the smoke is like going right into your face and ever it's kind of like half faded out half faded into reality so it kind of feels like a portal into a memory yeah which is exactly how the idea of a portal into a memory would look in like most sci-fi stuff I thought you dripped water into like a sorry um and it was it was fine it was cool I I think the thing about this is that first of all making something 3D does not inherently make it better we learned this with 3D TVs with 3D movies like in some cases at times we have to teach you this lesson sometimes it like takes you out of the immersion and it was like kind of cool but the thing that makes this truly terrible is that if you're the dad at the birthday party yeah why why do you look like this you've got this giant headset on your face and you've just got your stick in your head like right into the birthday cakes and the eyes also are like like oh the eyes are it could be and you as a parent get to look back at this leader imagine that child's memory of now like wanting to pull out their candles but their dad's just like hovering over them come on do it hold on I'm not recording I just feel like with photos and video there is a point of diminishing returns where like adding extra like immersion features to the photos and video really just makes it worse I can see 3D like photos or like like Memories like that being something kind of cool in the future but you have to not diminish the experience in the process of capturing it correct yeah this is another look 10 years into the future type thing yeah where theoretically the tech gets nice and small and it looks like a pair of glasses and it's not too bad and you can record this ultra high resolution memory and relive the memory without looking like an insane person maybe that's fine take away from being 90 and being able to like oh this was my kid when they were 10 blowing out of breath that that in general sounds cool yeah but you're messing up that entire experience you're messing up your child just put that technology on a GoPro on a stick so sometime in the future they'll figure that out I don't think this is it I just want to say how Black Mirror this is by the way it's like you know your your wife dies way too early and then you're just like you're sitting in your headset just like watching her on the couch doing her like you know in every like sad movie they're running on like you replay the memory like six times in a row like I wish I was here again yeah it's like holy crap yeah um yeah it got dark yeah because this because I think a lot of the discourse around this was like this feels really dystopian because and I think a core problem potentially with this headset or with any XR headset is that this is such a you and only you device right every video that they showed they didn't have multiple people in the room except for that like playing that video of the child's birthday party it was always one person sitting alone in their five million dollar apartment and that was it in the workplace they had a bunch of examples of like the workplace and having people handing you things but I do agree it's never two people using that it's not social it's always like one one person in the headset and they're the only one yeah I think while we're on the topic let's go over the couple of negatives the downsides that I was immediately able to pinpoint just to get them out the way right so one of them is it's 3 500 and that's obviously gonna limit how many people are gonna try it I think that's an intentional though yes that is definitely intentional and it's got Pro in the name and obviously you can see a version in the future with not pro in the name number two um so this is interesting there's no haptics because there's no controllers and I think that's fine but it was interesting that it could sort of take me out of uh the the full immersion you know gloves in the future I don't know you say there's no haptics but this is something I talked to with Shen before asking him why all hand gestures in VR seem to be tapping and he said because that is about yourself like that part is people like I guess there's still the flicking thing which if you flick I guess there is still some sort of but he said the reason they do hand gestures like that and not just pointing is because you're making some sort of contact and that sure represents it better yeah but all the rest of the stuff like scrolling and Safari and hitting the bottom of the page everything is virtual like once something when I wanted to like pet the dinosaur or the or the butterfly landed on my hand you feel nothing you feel nothing like we did the haptic gloves demo and that's like so far from like solving a problem but that's just something I noticed I do it's intentional obviously I don't want you to have to have controller um number three is it's heavy it's glass and aluminum yeah and it's it's got a separate battery pack to save weight but even that it's heavy even without that battery yeah how big is the battery pack it's hard get scale it's got a USBC port on it so you can plug it into the wall for all-day battery which is a hilarious spec or plug it into another battery pack yeah I did not like the non-replaceable USBC battery pack just like have that have that I understand that it needs to have the like locking and mechanism and the nice wire just put a USBC cord at the end of it think of it as a power brick think of it like a laptop with a power brake well it's a laptop with no battery inside and a power brick where the battery is in the brick like a desktop so like if you ever want to unplug from the wall a desktop nothing just the battery but if everyone unplug if I want to unplugs from a wall I have two hours to find a plug basically that's how it goes I2 hour battery life yeah I don't know I think they're reasoning Andrew for the reason that it because it looks nice and it's Apple no it's you can't put that much weight also on the headset well no no no the reason it's not that removable yeah Okay the reason I think it's not removable is because they don't want the the USBC cable to like just come off and then all of a sudden it just goes to Black and dies in the middle of it like apple is so intentional about we don't want this to feel we want it to feel like such an extension of your reality we don't want you to suddenly be like Ugh what happened and then you have this like weird shock value to your point they do have this pin hole in the battery that you that I assume is a way to remove the cable if the cable breaks so you can replace the cable and not replace the battery itself the cynic in me says that they'll sell this for 200 in the Apple Store the battery well it should come with one battery I think they should sell a bigger battery or additional batteries yeah but yeah I just think it's weird having to plug two battery packs in at the same time I agree for sure no you plug it you only plug one in but you can yeah you have more yeah then you play another battery package yeah and be mobile if you don't want to plug into the wall but like this whole thing is not to be connected to the wall like yeah it should not really be in that scenario very often it's interesting yeah I kind of Wonder I don't know yet but I wonder how much of this will be used plugged in versus not I kind of suspect it'll be plugged in a lot I feel like that takes away from a lot of the things you guys are describing that are really good watching a movie on the couch watching movies sure using it as a computer at your desk it can be plugged in in a lot of these situations yeah but even at your desk then the wires getting tangled up in the chair because you're like I don't know I don't think that yeah I think a lot of people will be double battery packing just make a backpack well you shouldn't double Eco flow on your back just plugged right in yeah so the you can disconnect it from the headset it's like a quarter turn locking thing so I assume you can just unplug that and theoretically buy a bigger battery pack or whatever so you should never have to have two bedrooms no some third party is going to make a bigger better with that connector I don't know I hope so I'm assuming that's a weird connector mfv yeah the locking mechanism I I would bet you that they patented that my proprietary just like no one makes Mac say stuff now yeah interesting yeah I would be that because they probably don't trust like third parties to have a battery that actually doesn't take you out of the immersion randomly I think it puts out it's a weird spot I'm sure I understand that but also something I didn't hear either of you guys talk about or just really anyone is there's also an another strap that you can have that goes over the top of your head yeah yeah I had no they didn't mention that in the keynote I think that's also intentional it is an optional accessory that's probably in the box that I think everyone should use because it's so heavy that you're going to want to use it I completely agree I heard it's so heavy that it sounds like almost everyone will be using it but I guess it just doesn't look as nice it doesn't look presenting it for sure I will say the materials are insanely nice um that's pretty the strap is really crazy nice one thing that really like kind of blew me away is like when you put it on when you're tightening it a lot of the a lot of other headsets you have to just kind of like pull it and like tighten it around your head this one it's got like this kind of crown that you like you twist and it's got a clicking ratchets it's got ratchets and you you hear it and feel like and it's it just feels so smooth and seamless but you feel it slowly tightening around your head yeah I think it's really good those are for like my new adjustments right like I think there was they said there was some sort or that's for them bottled to your no the strap is not modeled to your head the light seals around it are made they mentioned something in the keynote that was like there it was adjustable and then that was just for like minuscule adjustments when like and like on the Fly for like oh this is not feeling too tight I'm gonna loosen it up that's true but you also have to use it to put it on like you have to like loosen it to be able to take it off there are other our headsets that do that but the the quality and the mechanism is so good the material is pretty great again it's heavy yeah but it is really high also the head strap that you were talking about the the way that you tighten that is also very seamless yeah and everything about it is uh it's like modular so every single part you can take off and almost every single part of it is also machine washable which I think is awesome nice so you can like clean it and wash it really easily and the main actual headset is that is not huge it's just the mechanisms to keep it on your head or I don't know yeah volume um yeah yeah do you have any other like questions about the demo or anything I don't think so yeah I think the main two things like from not just you guys but everyone that I talked to that tried it it was the main things they said was that worked way better than I expected because everyone saw no controllers and thought I've tried every other VR headset and that's not gonna work and they were very surprised by it worked and then it immediately went to and that was heavy and the battery Pack's kind of weird but then like I don't care I loved using it and that was wild oh and then it's really expensive think about it like a first generation of a new iPhone it almost feels hard to think about as first generation because it sounds like it's working so well it's just it's priced like first generation and maybe there's not as many things available it just has so many parallels to me to the first iPhone where number one right now it just has Apple apps and of course it's gonna launch next year and we should have a bunch more apps but it has Apple apps right now and those are the ones that sort of demonstrate how you're going to use it and what it does best and then the UI and the way you interact with it is the Revolutionary part of it just like how pinch to zoom was incredibly responsive and worked so well on the first iPhone compared to any other phone this one the eye tracking and the Hand tracking and the way you move those windows around and interact with things and scroll has the same Vibe it's like I've never seen a headset do it this well and if it gets better at all I'll be very happy I do think that's something that I asked you guys after which was like this worked so flawlessly and was so amazing is part of the reason we're so impressed by this because of all the ones we've tried before it that I've tried to do and they just are not good yeah it's the iPhone of headsets yeah that's I think that's like kind of the crazy part that when you look at 3 500 I still don't know if I was like this stuff works is that worth that but it's just like that stuff didn't work this does so I don't know if it's worth it but it's really cool other versions of it it's doing yeah other versions of it worked pretty well but wouldn't have all of those things at once like Sony has good eye tracking but not the most incredible hand tracking yeah like the Oculus the quest Pro The Meta Quest Pro had decent pass-through and like is lighter and could do some of these things but you needed controllers enough though there wasn't good across the board there's a point of no return where like I could not if I used anything worse than this now I would just be like this sucks if this is 60 as good as you guys are saying it is it blows The Meta Quest out it does and I think it's way more than that like I believe everything you guys are saying and this feels like the metaquest pro is horrible and that's exactly why I don't think this PR you can't really compare the price to anything else because it's like everything else is garbage and then this is really the reason you can compare the prices like am I spending 3 500 to do these things in here for sure like the use of the usability for sure absolutely if we're just comparing like if you 100 want these AR VR goggles yeah then the prices I'm not saying people should buy this exactly if you want to reduce it to just a checklist it looks insane it's like can you watch a movie in the regular Quest yes can you watch a movie in this yes okay can you use hand controls in one yes can you do in hand controls yes one yes so they both like check most of the boxes pass through yeah pass through tracking yeah tracking apps yeah apps games of course games but the difference is so much more oh yeah I think if you want a headset I would spend the extra money on this I just don't know if you you're not sure if you want a headset if you're not sure if you want to have 10 yeah don't buy any of the existing headsets including this one also um something that's interesting to me is that when Oculus announced the or meta announced the metaquest 3 like last week right I watched that intro for that video and they were like we have 500 apps and I was like that is not very many considering like considering how long the meta Quest ecosystem has been around 500 apps is not very much and also I would bet you that 75 of those are garbage yeah they're probably only people buy Android flexing how many apps there are in the App Store it's like well how many good apps are there right where the interesting thing with like the iPhone for example and the Android App Store um is that you it's a multi-tool that does literally everything if I never use this one thing but then at this one moment I'm like oh I really need a light meter I can look up light meter and they're just a bunch of light meter apps on the app store right and I think the interesting thing that the the Apple ecosystem has if Apple's actually able to get so many developers to Port their apps to this to make new apps for it is that they're just gonna blow every other headset out of the water in terms of what can you do with it that's the Apple superpower yeah that's I think that's a good place to end it which is like it is early it doesn't come out till next year we've only got to try for 30 minutes there's not a lot we know yeah but what we do know is this is going to slot into the world of VR headsets where the the advantage to any one headset typically has been quality or features and the advantage to this apple one is going to be now there's an entire giant developer Community that's like feasting over like oh this is it I'm going to make the best app I can and blow up in VR and this is their chance to make the best apps possible and those are all going to really showcase what this thing is capable of and the technology will back it up and there'll be quality experiences it will ride or die on if there are good apps for it so it's kind of like a chicken or the egg thing yeah and I think they had to make the good Hardware to entice those developers and they did that and because they've nailed that I can't wait to see what apps show up and we just have to wait and we don't even know what they're going to make yet we'll just wait and see there could be an incredible calculator app for all we know like one more point that I want to make yeah and it's that this is like the only product that Apple makes that isn't an accessory for the iPhone right like the airpods are its own entire industry and they're an accessory for the iPhone the Apple watch accessory for the iPhone MacBook the MacBook came out before the iPhone true uh but you could argue that so many of the things that make the MacBook useful is that it works with your iPhone I think that's true about the headset too but what do you do besides be besides having an Apple ID and like doing FaceTime and stuff what necessarily makes this an iPhone an accessory well not an iPhone accessory but it's an ecosystem plug where like if I look at a Macbook my MacBook screen levitates out the top and suddenly I'm doing like Final Cut editing with the trackpad and all this stuff yeah if I have messages on it FaceTime it's like the ecosystem plug part is real even though it's not an iPhone accessory but you could just have a Macbook and an Android phone like Alex does and use this headset and you don't really need an iPhone Apple ecosystem in general is that everything works better yeah when you have everything together but some things kind of only work if you have an iPhone like the Apple watch you know right yeah yeah this is its own I think this is kind of like a Mac in that it's a standalone computer but it will definitely plug into the ecosystem really well by Design and that's why I think the 3 500 price I guess it's stupidly expensive for sure but you're also buying basically a whole computer yeah it has an M2 in it where's like an Oculus Quest it can play some games but you can't do it something xr1 or something yeah but you can't do on an Oculus Quest what you can do on a MacBook before I don't think we should well Quest Pro is the only thing we should compare to this in Oculus Quest is just sure it's not the same thing but a quest Pro doesn't really have like a desktop kind of like format right it could you could pair it to a man you could impair it to computers but you don't have to pair this to anything no yeah it's its own standard it has an M2 Chip if you think about it as a computer 3 500 isn't that exactly but chances are you're not replacing a computer totally yeah for sure somebody's got to do a I can't wait for a benchmark of like can we just run geekbench on all these headsets of like the M2 gets a trillion points and then the Snapdragon XR gets like whatever it gets it's just absurd it doesn't actually so before we go I know we said no trivia but I do have a fun trivia thing for you guys if you want it okay yeah sure when was the last time Apple did the whole one more thing on stage for this a long time ago was it the Mac Pro at dub dub Mac Pro yeah Mac Pro David [Music] no it was the iPhone 10. wow okay well that's good to know we got a lot more upcoming a lot more coverage obviously stay tuned this studio channel has a video we got an episode a bonus episode on the podcast Channel we've got the main Hands-On on the MKBHD Channel autofocus dropped a Prius review we're popping out all kinds of great videos so watch those and uh no trivia of course we'll be right back next week with a bunch of cool stuff thanks for watching and listening we'll catch you guys in the next one peace waveform is reduced by Adam Molina and Ellis rovin we're partner with the VOX media podcast Network and interaction music was created by vayne still [Music]

Channel: WVFRM Podcast

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Keywords: MKBHD, Marques, Brownlee, Andrew, Manganelli, Waveform, Podcast, WVFRM

Id: 17-aVWFa098

Length: 109min 2sec (6542 seconds)

Published: Fri Jun 09 2023