'This whole thing is unprecedented': Dave Aronberg on Donald Trump's hush money case

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THEN, THE JURY COULD BEGIN DELIBERATING BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. 20 ME NOW IS A BLOOMBERG REPORTER. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK AND TOGETHER IN A GREAT PAIRING HERE. WHAT, PATRICIA, HAVE YOU BEEN EXPECTING WHEN COURT RETURNS TOMORROW. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS FROM START TO FINISH, HOW DO YOU EXPECT IT TO PLAY OUT TOMORROW? >> WE EXPECT FROM'S LAWYERS TO FINISH THEIR CROSS EXAMINATION. A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS ON MICHAEL COHEN TRYING TO UNDERMINE HIS STORY THAT TRUMP WITH THE PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS AND THAT HE WAS IN ON THE LOOP AND APPROVING THE PAYMENT THAT WAS MADE TO STORMY DANIELS. THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT MAYBE MICHAEL COHEN WAS CONFRONTED WITH THE TEXT THAT HE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT A 14-YEAR-OLD SPAMMING AND PRANK CALLS RATHER THAN TALKING TO TRUMP HIMSELF, AS HE CLAIMED. THEN WE GET TO THE REDIRECT WHERE THE PROSECUTORS CLEAN IT UP AND GO BACK THROUGH THE STORY. >> THE BIG PICTURE AND THIS IS WHERE REALITY IS REGARDING THE CASE RIGHT NOW. BY THIS TIME NEXT WEEK, DONALD TRUMP COULD BE A CONVICTED FELON OR A NEWLY ACQUITTED MAN WITH COMPLETE EXONERATION. EQUALLY CHALLENGING SCENARIOS. BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND HEARD, WHICH OF THESE IS MORE LIKE THE? >> MAYBE IT IS THE PROSECUTOR IN ME, BUT I THINK THIS IS HEADED TOWARD A CONVICTION. I CANNOT IMAGINE ACQUITTAL WITH THE UNANIMOUS JURY SAYING THAT TRUMP HAS A BETTER STORY AND WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS. THE CORROBORATION HERE HAS BEEN TO CORROBORATE MICHAEL COHEN'S TESTIMONY FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS HUSH MONEY SCHEME UNTIL THE END WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REAP VERSE HIM. IT WAS ALAN WEISS'S OWN NOTES ON THE BANK STATEMENT THAT WOULD SHOW HOW HE WOULD BE REIMBURSED. THE LAWYERS FOR THE DEFENDANTS HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION FOR HOW TRUMP WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS. IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT, IT WAS SAID THAT THE PAYMENT WAS NOT A REIMBURSEMENT, IT WAS LEGAL FEES AND LEGAL SERVICES BUT THE EVIDENCE OVERWHELMINGLY SHOWS IT WAS A REIMBURSEMENT. EVEN THROUGH DONALD TRUMP'S OWN WORDS AND TWEETS AND STATEMENTS, IT SHOWS THIS WAS A REIMBURSEMENT. I DON'T NO HOW THEY GET OUT OF THAT. EVEN THOUGH MICHAEL COHEN TOOK BLOWS, THERE IS NO CORROBORATION FOR HIS TESTIMONY. >> AND WE LEARNED ABOUT HOW THE TRUMP THIS LOYALIST DISRUPTED THE COURTROOM. SOME WERE MAKING VIDEOS IN A HOLDING ROOM AND THE JUDGE SAID NOT TO LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN AND THE JUDGE SAID HE HAD LESS THAN ZERO CONTROL. HOW CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW THE JUDGE IN TRUMP'S OWN LAWYER REACTED. >> ONE OF THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE THINGS I HAVE SEEN AND I HAVE COVERED COURTS FOR YEARS. WHEN MICHAEL COHEN GETS TO THE EXPLANATION TO THE JURY AT THE END OF HIS EXAMINATION, IT WAS A RECKONING WHERE HE IS DECIDEDLY GUILTY. HE IS DESCRIBING A HEARTFELT CONVERSATION WITH HIS DAUGHTER SAYING TRUMP IS NOT HIS YOUR DAUGHTER. DO RIGHT BY YOUR FAMILY. >> IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS HEARTFELT DESCRIPTION, IT IS THE REPUBLICAN DELEGATION COMING IN AND DISRUPT DEAN. THEY WERE HANDING PHONES OUT TO EACH OTHER AND BASICALLY TAKING SELFIES IN ANOTHER COURTROOM WHERE DONALD TRUMP HAS A HOLDING OFFICE WHERE HE SITS WITH HIS LAWYERS. IT WAS QUITE UNBELIEVABLE TO SEE THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IN A COURTROOM WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO BE QUIET AND YOU CAN'T TAKE PHONES OUT AND CANNOT TALK . THESE PEOPLE WERE BEING DISRUPTIVE AND IT WAS QUITE SHOCKING, ACTUALLY. >> IT SOUNDS OBNOXIOUS AND DISRESPECTFUL, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. HERE IS THE OPINION OF ONE OF TRUMP'S FORMER LAWYERS. >> I AM CONCERNED THAT BY PARADING THESE FEE YEARS IN AND OUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE AN HIM NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE JURY. THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAME IN NOT DURING A BREAK AND WERE SOMEWHAT DISRUPTIVE AND THE JUDGE WAS LOOKING ANGRILY. THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THE JURORS NOTICE. IT IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD BE ENCOURAGING . >> WE CAN SEE PATRICIA'S JOB DROPPING. THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED. FIRST OF ALL, HOUSE SPEAKER SHOWING UP AT A CRIMINAL TRIAL TO DELIVER A MESSAGE THAT HELPS THE DEFENDANT FLOUT A GAG ORDER. WHAT COULD THE JUDGE EVEN DO ABOUT THIS? >> THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED FROM TRUMP BEING ON TRIAL TO A HOUSE SPEAKER GOING THERE. THESE GUYS ARE ABOUT LOCK THEM UP AND BACK THE BLUE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO DONALD TRUMP, THEY ARE RADICAL CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS THEMSELVES STANDING THERE AND CLAIMING IT IS A FRAUDULENT SYSTEM. THEY ARE DOING IT FOR POLITICS. MIKE JOHNSON OWES HIS SPEAKERSHIP TO DONALD TRUMP. HE HAD HIS BACK AGAINST MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE AND SO THIS IS THE PAYBACK. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOW THE PARTY OF TRUMP . IF THEY WANT TO BE VICE PRESIDENT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE TIM SCOTT AND OTHERS THERE TO SUPPORT TRUMP NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES OR IS ACCUSED OF. YOU CANNOT SHAME THE SHAMELESS AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME. >> AND FOUR PEOPLE CLOSE TO TRUMP SAY THE PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE HIM TESTIFYING ALTHOUGH TRUMP HIS MATERIAL AND COULD ALWAYS TESTIFY. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR SOURCES? WILL HE DO IT OR NOT? >> IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR HIM TO TESTIFY. HE THOUGHT IT WAS A DISASTER FOR PEOPLE FINDING OUT ABOUT THE POOR AND STAR, THE LAST TIME HE TESTIFIED ON THE FRAUD TRIAL, HE WAS ON THE STAND FOR HOURS AND IT WAS LOONY. HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT OFFSHORE DRILLING AND THE JUDGE SAID, YOU SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, STOP MAKING POLITICAL SPEECHES IN THE ESSENTIALLY CASTIGATED HIM. YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID TO THE NRA, HE WAS CRAZY WHEN TESTIFYING AND KOOKY WHEN TESTIFYING IN THE AG CASE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISASTER TO DO THAT IN FRONT OF A JURY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT OPENS HIM TO QUESTIONS BY PROSECUTORS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SENT THE EMAIL AND WHAT YOU MEAN WITH THAT EVIDENCE? THERE IS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT EVERYONE KNOWS AND TRUMPETS TWEETING OUT THAT I REIMBURSED HIM. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE DECISION FOR HIM TO TESTIFY AND I HOPE HIS LAWYERS PREVAIL UPON HIM NOT TO TESTIFY. >> DO YOU GET THE SENSE HE IS LISTENING TO HIS LAWYERS THIS TIME AROUND AND NOT TESTIFYING? >> HERE IS MY POP CULTURE REFERENCE FOR TODAY. YOU REMEMBER THE MOVIE "ANIMAL HOUSE"? AND 0.0 IS THE CHANCE THE TRUMP TESTIFIES THIS WEEK. HE DOESN'T WANT TO LISTEN TO HIS LAWYERS AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE CROSS- EXAMINED ON THE STEAMY EVENTS THAT HAPPEN WITH STORMY DANIELS . THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS HE IS NOT GOING TO TESTIFY. IT COULD BE A PERJURY COUNT. NO, HE IS DEFINITELY NOT TESTIFYING IN THIS CASE. >> YOU JUST BROUGHT
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Length: 8min 43sec (523 seconds)
Published: Sat May 25 2024
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