This is why people hate building PCs these days

I mentioned in a recent video that I'm building my best friend's first over-the-top like custom water cooled high-end build that he's ever owned as long as I've known the guy which has been like 16 years or something so I'm a terrible friend anyway I'm gonna be building his system so we're going to be using the NZXT H9 flow this is actually a sponsored case for this build it's in white I figured I'd take you guys along for the ride of some of the planning process when it comes to getting ready for a high-end Ridgid tube build because uh with so many options now and cases starting to take some really interesting turns in terms of not just being a rectangle with a fans in the front and fans in the top I'm gonna take you guys along for the ride today as I sort of plan this one out to give you guys some ideas on things you need to consider before you just start buying parts potentially wasting money and having to deal with very expensive and timely returns and exchanges and stuff get 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um wall of fans right there we've got availability for a 360 on the bottom and a 360 and potentially a 420 on top it looks like here but I need to get this open what I think it's interesting too is there's no frame right here it's just elastic glass with a like a 45 degree cut beveled Edge which is kind of nice so some things we have to consider as we are preparing to build in this obviously you need to know what case you're building in because that's going to determine everything and now if you're wondering what makes it the flow there you go the back side is just one big giant box fan it looks like a like an AC vent that AC vent right there so yeah that's all it is and then this should be able to come out like Boop oh geez now it's an AC filter um okay anyway that's what makes it the flow literally like unobstructed with the size of the holes so NZXT took when people complained about their fine mesh of like not having enough airflow they're like fine you want flow here's your goddamn flow first and foremost what kind of motherboard is it going to support so it looks like we do have we got ATX matx and ATX technically supported here um one of the motherboards that we've considered using here we've had some issues with Asus in the recent passive made me go I don't know if I want to use an ASU sport so I do have an MSI board on backup here just in case um this is a very wide motherboard you can see it has the 90 degree plugs on the side so everything is designed to come straight out of the board because Asus and their Infinite Wisdom goes let's take a board it's already super wide and make it even wider by having all the plugs stick out the side so clearance becomes a significant issue in just about any case you try to use it in so Asus made that decision easy for me I don't have to use their thing no more because look at that so already now this is one of those situations where if you just go I want crazy high-end expensive blah blah blah blah it may or may not work where we want to put it now I do have other motherboards on hand so fortunately I can now start plugging and playing different components in there to see how they're going to fit which is what's going to make this video have some substance for you that might actually be important in terms of information because most people cannot just start plugging and playing Parts in there as they want one of the other things we're going to do though potentially is might use the Riser cable or the Riser kit so they do have a vertical mount kit it's kind of a universal but they do have it we could use it in here my issue with that is if I use the vertical now and this is something I need to think about too is how much space am I going to lose on the bottom because if I lose a ton of space on the bottom then I potentially have radiator issues here of being able to mount this and have a bottom rad and a top rad now this is going to be a 3900k with an active backplate RTX 4090 strix card so it's gonna be a lot of heat making its way into this system so if I was to mount that there you can see how much room I have here which would be enough for fans and a radiator there's not a lot of metal here so if you have a really heavy graphics card like we have here over five pounds with the Dual AB or the Dual water blocks the ABC blocks on there it can bend that metal and then sag I'd be able to come up with something that we could thread in there and maybe looks pretty that could push down on the fan or something like Phil has a freaking Circle Game hand printed hold up his graphics card so we could come up with something there because there is a theme for this particular build that I'm trying to incorporate in all of this uh my friend is a huge Mega Man Fan because we're 80s kids and he and I are the same generation I got this it's actually pretty expensive it's like 110 for this Mega Man but it's a designer series X it's a Mega Man figurine that I'm going to incorporate in this I wanted the PC to look like a Mega Man level like he's fighting in here and I was actually just playing Mega Man on an emulator Mega Man 2 because you can play them on free online to sort of get a little bit of inspiration on how I would want to do this build but this is a pretty sick theme yes I know in the past I was like putting a figure in your PC is not a theme it's not it's still not I'm gonna be trying to tie in the fluid and the tubes and the colors and all that sort of stuff to make it sort of a theme but anyway this is gonna be going in there somewhere and one of the reasons too this is going to help it's going to allow me to be able to match the shades of blue in here as best as I can tell um with because like his legs look purple and his great legs or his feet boots look purple and his legs look great to me and I'm assuming that's not the color anyway I can use this to uh sort of match the colors like specifically here even the art to match the colors that's why we went with a white um case so already I know that this motherboard is not gonna fit in this case which is kind of a blessing in disguise in a way because I really I this card wasn't going to work natively in the slot with is that going to lengthwise fit barely if I were to go normal anyway length wise this doesn't fit uh in the slot horizontal because it impacts the heatsink that's like right above the PCI Express slot so that's why I've got the vertical adapter that way I'd be able to sort of Mount it like this this is going to be sort of a complicated Loop only because the layout is a little bit less traditional so what I need to do now is I'm going to go out into my shop I'm going to see what z790 boards that I currently have try and figure out uh how I'm gonna do this so this is the strix board that's funny how it still has an AIO bracket on there I know we can use this for testing 3900k but this will fit in there see that'll fit in there just fine it doesn't have any LCD screens that'll get blocked if I go vertical Mount because the problem with um if I go vertical mount on that other board is the extreme board has a screen right here but as you see if I go with how tall these modern cards are if I go vertical now here it would cover it up and now what's the point of having that screen but I do like this being kind of like a chunk of Hardware right here the downside with vertical mounting this is it removes access to anything on the PCI Express slots so that would mean our m.2s and stuff so I need to make sure I don't do what I did in one of my personal builds in the past where I put it all together and turned it on and went to install Windows and realized I didn't have any drives installed so then I had to drain the loop take the tubes off take the graphics card out put it in the drives all right so that works but before I commit to the strix I'm going to go ahead and put it's a it's funny it's a lot less expensive motherboard than any of these but it's the MSI MPG Edge I'm gonna throw that in here real quick to see how that looks it might be a little bit too Stark to have the white board in here and then everything else being black around it so I don't know yet so technically it's not white as much as it's like gunmetal so that's how that one looks in there but look at the spacing we have now so because of the space between this and this I would be able to traditionally mount this in there horizontally which actually leaves me a ton of room for stuff I could even have Mega Man on top of a freaking graphics card because you know there's lots in the game there's lots of platforms that you have to jump from so I'm going to go ahead and mount the board down it's funny it's like Asus has really fallen in quality in terms of like their build quality is outstanding but just things working and breaking it's gotten worse over the years and MSI has gotten better and better and gigabyte has also gotten better and better 672 reviews on Amazon now Amazon Amazon reviews you know as long as you find the verified sellers 4.5 out of 5 out of 672. now motherboard reviews if you see anything above a three usually is good because motherboard people a lot of the times don't even know how to determine if a motherboard is a problem so they'll go in and just trash a motherboard as a as a negative review and find out it was something else and then never correct the review so this tells you a lot of people are not having out-of-the-box issues with their systems and using this board which is important to me I'm feeling like this might this might be a good board to use because of the fact I won't have to use the vertical mount just one of the truth and it does make the loop order and stuff just make a whole lot more sense all right let me get the board mounted the one thing I hate is their dragon logo though and I and we were talking about this like we have a qriket I have my airbrushes I could always do something with this this is nothing this is just a there's nothing here I might light up I don't know I just hate the dragon logo and I feel like MSI has always been too in your face with it but what I want to see now is I want to check for sag um I'm curious as to whether or not I'm curious as to whether or not I'm gonna have to come up with some sort of a custom uh solution here and the other thing I need to check for obviously is height of the graphics card it shouldn't be a problem we need to make sure the door will go on because the extra height of the graphics card plus the height of the terminal I mean that's a lot of extra height to deal with versus regular old graphics card that's all crunchy sounding right now when I put it down oh boy oh that's not gonna clear that's a that is a problem actually oh man I don't know we'll see first of all when it comes to sagging it's this is a little bit of sag but there's some tricks I have that I've showed you guys in the that I can get that to not sag oh my God it is touching my concern is the fittings are the fittings going to be wider than that this it's touching so these are the EK revolver revolver no torque fittings these are the ones I used in my build my last several builds actually these are the fattest fittings on the market I don't need to go with these fittings I just love the way they look I'm not even sure they make them in white but I want to use white fittings the reason why I'm using them is if these clear and don't hit anything like as long as they don't stick out pass right there we're good oh my gosh they're flush which means these fittings also and the reason why I'm doing this is I it looks like this might even line up no I think they're just barely to the right of the socket because one of the things I'm thinking about doing with this Loop is a parallel Loop between the GPU and the CPU doesn't matter if it if it doesn't close then it doesn't matter so let's see I think it's going to close it looks like it's perfectly flush with it oh you see it move when it pops closed no what it is is with it sagging that thing is not perfectly flat so the glass is pushing it flat look watch it move see see the card moving as I push the glass but I have to make an informed decision so I need to now do the vertical Mount to see how that lines up and looks because I think it would be neat to have Mega Man On Top of the graphics card or hanging from the graphics card like I'm going to put the shooting thingies on there and I think it'd be neat if I somehow illuminated it I personally feel like this vertical mount adapter in here is going to make it look gaudy you know what I do like about this case though is it doesn't have the little divider the little pieces of metal between each one of these which is nice because then when you put your graphics card in sometimes they're like really close to where the adapters are and depending on how fat your plug is for like your DV or not your DVDs your display port or your HDMI it might hit it and sometimes not go in all the way so then you think something's wrong with your graphics card and all it was was your plug wasn't in all the way this alleviates that from being an issue okay so the vertical mount adapter is in there it seems fairly sturdy but this will be the judge of that yeah I think it would definitely need some more anti-stag work there I don't like how close this is to the CPU Buck which means there's not gonna be any neat way of getting that in there okay what's in there [Applause] there's obviously lots of room there's a tiny bit of sag like look it's flexing the whole back of the case look at the back of the case that's where it's flexing is the case we then have an issue now with like plugs and being all weird and I don't like that so I think having it literally touched the glass is the it's like if the case was just a millimeter bigger just the proximity of this to the CPU already makes it super awkward so I would have had to have gone like back here I'm going to be using one of those EK um Reservoir slash pump combos so basically it's just designed to go where fans go and you can get it in all the way up to like a 560 I think Super something giant but I'm gonna do a 360 one here it's acrylic and it's got the pump built in and it's got my ports and fittings and stuff on there I'm just gonna go with that I would have to go like from here to the rad and then from the rad like to the GPU and then maybe out of the GPU to like up here or something like I don't even because the thing is I think with the way that this is in series if I wanted to go in here and out here because it's not parallel I'd have to link the two ends together okay so I just looked online it says it does support the the new direct link which is this thing can be set up in both parallel and um cereal so I'm gonna be more than likely doing a parallel Loop with the GPU and the CPU if I can get it to make sense and the reason why I say that is I still the 3900k and the 4090 are going to be putting a lot of heat into the loop a single 360 or even a 420 up top is not going to be enough heat dissipation to keep the components nice and cool like I want them Corsair brings gaming to the next level with the xenion 45-inch flexible OLED xenian Flex display with up to 240Hz refresh rate 0.03 millisecond graded gray response time motion blur canceling anti-reflective coating burning protection and customizable Bend based on user's preference the Xenia on flexman Corsair allows Gamers to truly tailor their display to their liking click the link below for more details I know it's gonna be component here here here here and here so ideally it would make sense if I was able to I guess everything going in series would be just fine because if I was to go in let's say this side here parallel tubes out of here going into the CPU block and then out here and by the way if you're not familiar with how parallel Loops run and you're looking this going that'll that'll just bypass no that's not how it works fluid dynamics do not work that way it's lots of videos about this my own included it means I have everything nice and neat on this side but I still have to get from here here so it would probably still make sense to go out into the rad and I might even look at doing cross flow Reds cross flow red so there's double pass and cross flow double pass is where the fitting is on the same side so that means it goes in one side goes to the other side of the radiator makes a a Bend goes down the other half of the rad and then out the side so those it's not one big Reservoir it's if you took that rad and sliced it down the middle and folded it open that's the radiator surface area it's basically like it's not 120 it's 60 by 240 is basically like what a 120 rad would be or whatever double the length is if it's a 360 it'd be two times that by 60 millimeters if it's a 120 fan so cross flow would be Inlet on one side Outlet on the other and it basically fills the entire radiator and flows all the way across and then exits the other side I've done testing thinking that cross flow would not cool as well as double pass because of the fact that it's spending less time in the radiator however that didn't hold true when I did a direct comparison with the same heat load on both a 240 cross flow and a double pass they were exactly the same temperatures no matter what also the nice thing about a cross flow is there's less pressure reduction across it or when I say reduction uh yeah technically because the longer skinnier radiator is actually a smaller passageway through all those rows inside the red the fluid has to go through so with all those open it's just having like more Lanes on a highway just like pcie Lanes only it's fluid so there was less pressure drop which is good if you have lots of components so I might see what type of cross flow RADS are available to me I know alphacool makes them and guess what the alpha logo being blue for the first time wouldn't be out of place in a build for me but I would probably paint it white anyway so anyway moving on if I do a cross flow here and a cross flow up here I almost said eliminates and alleviates in the same word it alleviates the need of having a tube go across bad but I'm still gonna have to come up with some sort of anti-sag I've showed in the past before how a lot of times it's sagging back here and I can show you that so A lot of times it's sagging right here and what I've actually found works really well is I'll take a piece of filament from like 3D printer heat it stretch it like a stretch screw shove it in there this is what I did in my build by the way this is how I got my uh graphics card to stop sagging in my build shove it in there snip it off and then it can't go up in fact I'll just do it now to demonstrate so this is the before you can see it's definitely sagging all this Movement by the way and you can even hear it clicking the metal listen it's just because those brackets like where the where these tabs on the graphics card this little like nub where that goes into the graph into the case they have to account for all the different variants and sizes of back plate you know the plate brackets for the graphics cards so oftentimes they're a little oversized which allows some play so we're mounted here where the screws are and we're mounted where the motherboard is which gives us this third contact point to have a little bit of pivot and any movement back there would be a millimeter translates to a lot more than that on the far end oh yeah look at that see that just shoved a zip line there that was that it's level see this anti-side ever and look at that I can go up with it because I'm relieving that pressure but I can't go down with it so that's the thing I love about just looking at a problem and going we don't need cables hanging like the leash from EVGA we don't need Circle gang hands holding stuff just sometimes all you need to do is just shove an object in a hole j2023 okay so Loop order like I've said I think series makes the most sense so it's technically Going To Go Outlet into red whether it goes into RAD here and outer rad there or tubes sometimes I might just do the tubes because this is his first custom water cooled build he's had aios and stuff he's never had a custom built like this so having more tubes and stuff everywhere would be cool for him because he's like never seen it before although I did recently deal with my very first time ever in the history of building computers a tube pop off entirely while the system was on so story time so I was laying in bed and I just knock on my door come in my daughter goes dead my old daughter I said yeah she goes there's green liquid on my desk and I was like how much she's like kind of a lot like okay and I was thinking maybe a drip somewhere no it was like Lake green it was just like Lake Mead okay it was just a Green Lake all over her desk I'm like whoa what the heck she left it on so I immediately reach back and I turn off the power power supply button and I'm like what the heck in a reservoir I was like everybody came down and stopped and I'm like okay that's weird so then I turned it on and I saw drip drip drip from remember she has a 011 with the distro plate and so I saw drip drip and I was like oh one of those must have come loose so I took off her side panel with it on and I went to tighten it and it went everywhere I'm like oh my gosh so over time it had just started sliding itself out like and that's what sucks about like certain fittings now she was using the revolver fittings from Primo Joe which I have used in like all of my Skunk Works built I've never had one back out on me like that so what I ended up doing no I take that back I lied I remember now she's using the alpha cool fittings that I would use on the um the metal tubes because of the fact that it had that clamp that brass clamp that would bite and it would allow those Chrome tubes to not slide off well I guess I just didn't tighten them enough and remember I've said this a million times as systems will fluctuate in temperature hot cold hot cold hot cold those fittings can work their way loose because of the fact that they're also contraction and expanding and they have the O-rings in there so that allows them to just kind of over time start to really slowly back off it's a weird I don't say phenomenon it's just physics but I've always said this before anytime you build a water cooled system heat cycle it a few times and keep cranking on your fittings because you'll notice they start getting loose well it's been two years since I built that system for her and they had just loosened up to the point to where Not only was the cap like basically coming off the fitting was loose too so I went through and had to like tighten up all of them but I got to thinking about it she's one of those people that consistently like they have like a a den where both my kids have their computers like their computer room and they constantly game with the doors shut because they're so loud that room gets hot that means the system gets hot even with water will article it still gets hot so hot cold hot cold hot cold it just finally let go so I went through it had to tighten all those up fortunately no damage to the system at all unfortunately her white desk like because it's laminated on the end got some water damage because it sort of sucked it up as it got under the laminate and sucked it up that's the worst that happened that is extremely fortunate she could have she has a 3080 in there she could have lost the 3080 of the whole system because it squirted everywhere that's the only time I've ever had a tube like catastrophically pop off a system and part of it's my fault because I keep tabs on my systems but I haven't really kept up on hers so anyway moving on um the order is gonna go out of here into the rad out of the rad into the block out of the block into the other block out of there technically is what's happening has two blocks that's in series The reason why I mention that is this is resistance so in series there's there's going to be a pressure drop every time it enters and leaves a component so the overall pressure is going to be determined by how many resistance items there are and then that'll be your end pressure that's why I like using D5 pumps because they've got high flow and good pressure DDC pumps will have very high pressure but less flow because they're much smaller impeller so this one by half dozen the other the D5 is also quieter out of here into the CPU out of the CPU into the red out of the rad into the top there so the loop will all be contained right here what I want to do now is I want to kind of get an idea of what the figurine is going to look like in here he's just like yeah so there's an example of a pose like that I went in there or even like back here or something like that so I feel like now I should look and see if they have any of the other bad guys so I can have one over here literally like there's a little fight scene happening there and we're thinking I could be neat with the tubing like if it was run in such a way that he could literally be like hanging on the tube or he has like his foot on the tube or it's just whoa anyway sorry I'll be playing with this all day long probably now and I think that's where we're gonna end today's video because I had to just overall see what main components were gonna fit in here I was shocked that this I thought for sure that there was gonna be plenty of room being as wide as this case is to not have to deal with this being a problem man did that barely fit if it's good enough hopefully this video gave you guys some things to think about it also gave me an opportunity to sort of start figuring out what parts I need to order right now for fittings and whatnot to get it all working I'm going to be using the Frosted tubing with the with blue coolant in there um I'll be accessing accenting this really with blue lighting and stuff you'd be surprised how much you can pull a theme together just with rdb as much as people hate RGB um again you don't hate RGB you hate the marketing behind RGB okay but it allowed me to really tie some things in because if I do individual lighting control I'd be able to have it be all blue over here by Mega Man but like right over here by the bad guy kind of endless on what we can do I'm really excited about this one all right guys thanks for watching if you have any ideas on what we could do specifically uh to sort of tie in the Mega Man theme I've got time so put it down in the comments below and maybe your idea makes it into the build thanks for watching we'll see in the next one oh and if I had the ram doing all Blinky stuff maybe like a game

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Id: rYUHFXLFMUE

Length: 27min 39sec (1659 seconds)

Published: Mon May 08 2023