There's No Excuse to Hunt with a Creedmoor Anymore--How to Cut Recoil

imagine you're in a video game you know what it is you start the video game you you pick your rifle and you say like oh I want to give it the accuracy upgrade and and just any upgrade it just happens right and you're like I wish we could do that to our rifles well there's a way we can take the recoil of a rifle like this 7 PRC this thing is an absolute Bruiser of a rifle 7 PRC isn't that hard-hitting of a cartridge right similar to a 7 Mag but this is in an ultra light platform super light doesn't even have a scope on it and that's why we used it for testing uh some things for this video putting hundreds of rounds through it and I say Bruiser not metaphorically but literally had crazy black and blue shoulders many times as we were testing so very lightweight rifle with a medium cartridge that puts out 37 ft-lbs of energy we're going to take this gun and we're going to give it some recoil o upgrades to see how close we can get it I don't think we can get quite there but how close we can get it to shooting pretty similar to a 65 creedmore also later in this video I am going to finally be able to take the wraps off what is under this right here you guys I have spent like literally countless sleepless nights working on this this is called the back stop recoil pad I'm going to tell you about it a little bit later but first we got have a little bit of fun let's take that gun out and we'll show you what we've been up to we're out in the desert we're going to just start with a baseline bayen go ahead and shoot the 7 PRC just try to remember kind of get it on your head what it feels like okay so look at the recoil pad on this notice it is a thin little guy on an extremely lightweight rifle oh he's left-handed I am yes he's broken he's broken oh jeez what does it feel like it hurts it kicks it get you so again 7 PRC is not a big deal at all I've shot thousands of shots of 7 PRC the issue here is that has no scope on it's just crazy lightweight let's look underneath and let's see what we're actually using to cushion that recoil and you'll start to see kind of what happened here so on the top it looks like you know you have a quarter inch of rubber but in reality you got like whatever that is an e inch of rubber there with just hard plastic that's really pushing against your shoulder you have a little squish in the middle but the sides are you're just basic it's almost like there's no recoil pad um and I mean it's hitting with such force that it's even cracked that pad and this is on a premium chassis that's the recoil pad if you start taking recoil pads off like look at the tika you know it looks like you're getting an inch of rubber and you take it off and you're like it's just hard plastic under there um that's why when you push on them you really feel like oh man sometimes it's only going in like 2 mm that's why why are you repping your shoulder I definitely had it placed wrong and it it kicked it hurts are you Hamming it up or is that true it it no it really does hurt like I wouldn't be surprised if it leaves a mark so he said the first thing you can do to a rifle to change the recoils change the cartridge that one's pretty hard the easy one to do is add a little bit of weight to your rifle one thing I often hear people say is oh this is a lightweight rifle so I want to pick a lightweight scope and sometimes what I do is I'll have a rifle that's super lightweight so that I can get away with putting on a heavy scope with it and then I get the advantages of a heavy heavy scope but still a decently lightweight platform so this rifle as is naked is recoiling at almost 36 foot-pounds of energy if all I do is put a new scope on there that takes this gun down to 26 foot-pounds by just adding this scope so this is from right on this is their 3 to 18 by 50 I've got to be trying this one again um so we add this scope back on and things change dramatically brought down recoil 10 foot PBS just by adding two l pounds of scope and ring and that kind of stuff so same everything else want to feel quantitatively what that feels like okay it was a lot better like huge Improvement that's not going to hurt that's fine but I did notice the gun moved a lot I the scope's a little bit too close right now and the little scope cap kind of touched my forehead so ton of movement but it wasn't painful at all I could sh that a lot we're to change number three this is the one that most people are doing when you have a gun that recoils too much is just put a simple muzzle brake on it so I did some testing with a muzzle brake compared to a suppressor um suppressors I love shooting a suppressor for sure I yeah if every rifle I had had a suppressor I'd be a happy dude uh because it's going to cut the recoil but also the sound obviously but a muzzle break in general is more effective at cutting The Recoil than a suppressor if you have a four port muzzle brake you're probably going to see about 45% reduction in the amount of recoil you have so if you have a 65 PRC with this on it you got a 65 creedmore that's a huge change by just using a muzzle brake now obviously the downside to a muzzle brake is I mean it's Extremely Loud because I'm around guns a lot I I try to be really careful and so I usually use two kinds of hearing protection if I'm using if I'm shooting a muzzle brake the suppressor will probably only cut it by around 35% of The Recoil which is Meaningful but I've I have a question and I have not tested we need to do this in an upcoming video I really don't know how much the suppressor is cutting it because of the design of the baffles inside and how much it is you're just adding a one pound weight to the gun let's go with the muzzle breake here let's see how we are now man that's interesting okay we're going to do something a little sketchy let's put no shooter behind the guy let's just see I want you to just see how little that gun is really moving okay that's what's happening that's the movement without anybody behind it that's a cool visual because you can see I mean it moved back a good 68 in but that's with nothing behind it at all that's very manageable recoil we started with 36 almost 37 foot PBS of energy now now adding that muzzle break we're down to around 17 foot-pounds of energy we've cut it dramatically we're really close to a creedmore at about 12 but now it's time for the fun step finally we get to unveil it after a freaking year of sleepless nights how many times M how many times have you been going to bed and I'm and you're like are you coming to bed and what am I doing looking at too much recoil stuff yep I'm looking we come out and shoot hundreds of these graphs and then it we're going through all of them just analyzing like why did it spike in this place how do we change the pad to impact that area okay so here it is this is called the back stop recoil pad it's available right now it's out there you can get it the back stop recoil pad by backfire I'm really proud to say that it's been a huge project um we got patents uh coming up on it okay so ear earlier in this video I showed you guys this graph this is what we got from the factory pad that we tested with the rifle at the very beginning of this so now you're about to see that exact same test but using our new back stop recoil pad now this is with no other changes none of the added weight none of the um muzzle break nothing else it's like apples to apples Factory pad and here's the back stop look at I mean it just slashes the rec so let me show you what you're seeing early you see The Recoil starts to go up right as the as The Recoil starts and then that's where that top section of the pad that we're going to show you uh starts to squish early that just cuts the velocity it keeps it from Gaining momentum early and then the crumple Zone goes at the top it's having those two sections the early Squish and then the crumple that really makes it effective it's it's really really cool there are three like super unique things about this pad tell me about the customization so basically we have different lattice structures in here and each lattice structure correlates with a different uh energy basically that the out that the gun outputs yeah so I mean if you think about it how dumb is that that if you buy a rifle it doesn't matter if it's a 300 rum or it's a whatever a 243 you're getting the same reest pad everybody get this the same recoil pad it doesn't make sense they're dramatically different things you're trying to slow down yeah so that's the first thing is when you order a back stop recoil pad we're going to ask you what rifle platform are you using we'll know the rifle weight for it uh what cartridge you're using if you're using a Brak just a couple basic questions then we're going to do the calculation so we see the real recoil of your firearm and then this guy makes a custom structure of that recoil Pat for you yeah how much did it change like when we had the the wrong structure on a rifle what did those graphs look oh it was night and day it was insane watching the difference between when you finally got the right lattice structure the the difference was I mean it was everything oh yeah and and you can visually see why that is so the second big difference is it uses two different densities so down here is what we call the crush Zone you know this is like the crumple Zone in your car the idea is it has a lot of air space so that we can squish down far but it's slight in most models it's stiffer than up here the under what you can't see in here is a pretty Advanced little L lattice structure in there high-tech lattice structure in there and so one is harder than the other and so that means we can cut the recoil early as it as that rifle's gaining velocity toward you and then when it gets near that Peak because we can dial it in for the specific cartridge that's where the crush Zone just caps it off and creates that Plateau yep it's pretty cool technology I should cut in here with that's the difference between this pad and something like a traditional pad like a limbs saver that they do a good job as a premium pad much better than most Factory offerings but because it has so much gummy material one it's way heavier than than this pad but also as you push down it's so much material that you know every millimeter you're just adding the strength and so it tends to spike more whereas this has that Crush Zone to really help with the travel without the too much Mass plus the fact that this is just tuned to your rifles specific recoil where they're making one pad for everybody and you just can't dial in The Recoil nearly as much so to do our little test here we've got to introduce you to some Electronics uh Peyton is like an engineering genius it's so cool the stuff that he's made here so this is called the BBT or the bang back tracker he created this that well I'll let you talk about it Peyton what what tell me about this so it's just an accelerometer and it just measures the force of acceleration so basically you're able to see how fast it's going to kick the scope um yeah cuz it's mounted right where the scope will be and it takes like thousands of readings in just the one second of a shot and it'll tell you any little movement of the gun in any axis and then it records that data and then we get it on a graph on the laptop and we're not this is we're not doing our full testing procedure that we usually do to kind of get a little bit more precise data we're just having fun here and then the next thing is we'll use this sensor so you'll see when I get into position he's going to place it between my shoulder and the gun and uh that's going to measure how much pressure is on my shoulder and we can have multiple sensors here so that we can measure all the different areas of the recoil pad the reason we had to have two sensors is most recoil pads are designed just to reduce the pain on the shooter to us a really important part is being able to see through the scope and we wanted to find a balance between keeping the scope from jostling around and also soft to recoil on the shooter to prevent Flinch okay oh I don't like this part okay let's go for a ride love this ready yep okay let's look at the graph that we get okay yeah so as soon as the shot starts so on the bottom the x-axis is time you know just the whatever one and a half seconds of The Recoil and the vertical is the pressure how you know how much it was pushing on me and you'll see it just it's just like a rocket ship it just takes off the recoil pad did nothing to slow it what we're looking for is just a nice gentle Rolling Hill that that would be the ideal deal if we could get there so that's what we feel on the shoulder and then we see something very similar on the bang back tracker the scope jostle it's the same thing it just automatic it just instantly goes to pots now two more notes on the testing you'll see we use a human shooter with every single test we do that is absolutely key we found so the way that like pretty much everybody in the industry is doing it is they put the rle in a you know metal recoil rig they're strapping it down then they have a steel plate behind the recoil pad and they're putting a force strain gauge here to measure the pressure against that plate now the advantage of that is by not having a human it's standard it's going to be the same pretty much every time the problem with that is Peyton's isn't but my shoulder is pretty much steel so the the human shoulder isn't steal and it moves back plus you have just a little bit of a squish of the skin and so if you don't account for that it leads you to create a pad that's way too stiff and so that's why we we as we started doing tests we just realized there is no you have to do it with a human shooter for it to be anywhere even close problem is it's not the same every time we found the result to be very repeatable but we run every test multiple times to make sure it's statistically significant yeah pretty cool we started to look at different pads from different companies and we realized there was a huge problem with recoil pads as a whole the problem is that a recoil pad most of them you have to compromise Your Design you have to because most guys take a whatever 10 12 PB gun and they put it on one tiny little corner of the butt pad and lean it against the gun safe for a year five years who knows and so you need a material that even after five years of having a weight on it you're going to take it out and it's going to have perfect bounce that doesn't exist any material is going to deform especially if it's nice and soft and S Supple right and so that's where we realized why other companies are doing things the way they are so I'll I don't want to throw any shade I won't even talk about the brand because it doesn't matter they're they're trying to come up with the best solution they can for this so this is a nice soft recoil pad from a competitor but up here look at look at this come to the truck it's hard as a rock up there and the reason is if they presumably what it makes sense to me is the reason they're doing it is if they had this soft material all the way up and you rest your gun like that it's going to deform the pad and they have a customer service problem you see other companies um weatherbe came out with a really smart design of a recoil pad a couple years ago they did a lot of things well based on what we have found by not shooting you know by shooting with humans and the testing the way that we have I believe it's much too hard of a pad but they had the problem that if you store the rifle like that it's going to cause issues and so they had to really beef that up um and we really didn't want to compromise our design we wanted to have the perfect performance was the real thing and then most companies you know they're just designing a pad that's just a chunk of stuff it's just not going to deform because it's just so so hard so Peyton tell us about this guy so this is what we're going to call the throne so basically it just slides over the pad and then Clips on like that and then there's a plate that rests on this Ridge right here and what that plate does is it keeps the recoil pad itself from ever touching there's no pressure on it when it's stored nothing there's no pressure at all so you're storing your gun like that and there's zero pressure on the P now you don't have to carry this around hunting with you the pet Is Not Fragile believe me we have stabbed them repeatedly with forks driven over them tried them in the cold the hot leave them in the Sun for what two months to see how they perform it is a very very durable Pad but if you're going to make it the correct density you have to protect it long term and so this is just for long-term storage you know if you're in the hunting cabin and you lean this against the wall for a week it's fine it's it's durable but if you're going to store your gun for more than a week you know you're done with it for the season just put it on the on the throne in your gun safe lean it up and you're good you never have to think about it and your pad's always going to perform the same as the first day yep it's time to show some results I'm doing this in the office because we lost our audio out in the field okay this is The Recoil signature of that Tikka 65 creedmore that I showed in the intro and I said we're going to try to get to this okay I didn't know that we if we would quite get there that's the recoil of the 65 creedmore stock Tikka Factory pad now this is the recoil of the 7 PRC look at that it's like this tiny little blip on the radar and this is with all the modifications with the break weight and the back stop pad insane what it has become but look where we came from because on that 7 PRC here's the the stock where we started with the factory pad and then we added just the back stop pad and look how much just the pad changes that recoil signature and then you do all the other stuff too and it's just this little blip on the radar it's time to be done with the tiny little cartridges for hunting bring the big guns and do stuff to your rifle to make it shoot well but there is one more change that you can make to a rifle to dramatically cut your recoil this is a favorite one for me if you especially if you have kids and that is just change your load it makes a big difference there are some cartridges that if you look look around you'll find reduced recoil loads you'll find them especially in kind of the classic kid cartridges you'll find it for 65 creedmore definitely 243 you'll find it in 308 if you look for those reduced recoil so what they're doing and of course if you're a hand loader you can just do this however you want but you know they're putting a little bit less powder in there so that it's just not shooting as fast but the bigger change is switch to a lighter bullet all right pton we got the now the back stop Rec oil pad on there we added 2 lbs for you know scope and we've added the brake to cut down 45% at this point this thing is going to perform like a creedmore so pay attention not just to well look at how much the gun travels that's going to be cut but also the view through the scope changes so [Music] dramatically that is pretty cool yeah like that's awesome and as we we just worked on this project and actually measured it like so often I realize like what the heck why do we even talk about should you hunt elk with a creedmore that's such a dumb question take a man's cartridge take a man's cartridge and set up your gun properly and you can it's not going to bite you you can see through the scope you're not going to develop a Flinch you just have to set up the gun right try it's from all your testing oh man we've burned through so much ammo yeah I don't even want to look at the receipts for how much we spent on ammo testing well it was rather a nightmare trying to clean it all out of the bed of the truck all these empty cartridges suffice it to say I have plenty of brass to be reloading okay that carage out of your way it really is calm like you don't have to be nervous it's so if you make all the changes where do I stick it when wait oh yeah you taught me this once oh yeah getting straight behind it good yeah okay now I just shoot it yeah it's going to be fine it really is no big deal okay what if it's not do I just pretend no just kidding that wasn't so bad it's a pretty powerful gun though right it is a powerful gun did it hurt at all though oh no my no I just love the honesty here it's like it wasn't soad after we're showing this recoil pad and stuff too funny I do not want to get in the business of trying to you know overstate a product or anything like that I feel like I'm one of you guys we're we're in this together um and so a lot of the companies Great companies making recoil pads will you know throw out numbers reduces recoil by up to 70% I love the up to right um I would say just like totally subjective feeling it's probably about 35% lighter with the recoil pad like just totally subjective now by the numbers in a lot of cases it's a lot more than 35% uh but it really depends on just how you measure recoil I don't like the peak pressure as the measure because of this if I press in very very deeply on my shoulder but I do it slowly it doesn't really hurt mhm it's when I jolt at it that's when it hurts right and so even the peak pressure I just don't know that there's any single number that you can say that's the number we use to measure recoil yeah which made it really difficult for you to even go about testing this because we didn't really we had to establish our own test exactly and so what we really go for is the shape of the curve we want it to be shaped nicely so that nothing is jostling sudden and that's where you have a hard time seeing through the scope and so we've really optimized for that as much as possible thank you so much for everything you've done supporting backfire please check out the back back stop recoil pad we've put I mean just everything into it it's us making it like if you have customer service it has a phone number you're going to talk to us like we don't have people it's us um you know we're making it here in the United States uh and shipping it out to you guys so thanks everybody for your support backfire has just been awesome when it's done see you guys

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Length: 24min 31sec (1471 seconds)

Published: Fri Nov 24 2023