, EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN WILL HAVE REASON TO DOUBT THE FAIRNESS OF THE COURTS DECISIONS ON MATTERS RELATED TO THE INSURRECTION OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT. JOINING ME NOW IS JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT AND LIST FOR "THE NATION," AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "ALLOW ME TO REPORT, A BLACK GUY'S GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION." JENNIFER RUBIN, OPINION WRITER FOR ""THE WASHINGTON POST"," AND MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST, AND AUTHOR OF "RESISTANCE, HOW WOMEN SAVED DEMOCRACY FROM DONALD TRUMP ." I WILL FREELY ADMIT TO BEING THE DUKE IN THIS CROWD BECAUSE I AM THE GUY WHO SAID EXECUTIVE PRODUCER THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE TO THIS STORY. GIVE THEM A MINUTE AND SAMUEL ALITO IS GOING TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS, RECENTLY, WHEN HE HAD AN UPSIDE DOWN FLAG AT HIS HOUSE. GUESS WHAT, I WAS WRONG. >> THE REASON WHY HE HAD THE UPSIDE DOWN FLAG IN HIS HOUSE IS BECAUSE HE SUPPORTS THE INSURRECTION. I KNEW THAT BEFORE THE FLAG STORY NEW CLARENCE THOMAS SUPPORTED THE INSURRECTION BEFORE I KNEW ABOUT GINNY THOMAS INVOLVEMENT BECAUSE YOU READ THEIR OPINIONS. YOU READ WHAT THEY SAY. YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY AT ORAL ARGUMENTS AND THEY HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT. THEY HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT THEY ARE MEGA ALIGNED PRO TRUMP INSURRECTIONIST IN THE PROOF OF THAT IS NOT IN THE FLAG STORY OR THE EMAIL STORY OR WHATEVER, IT IS IN THEIR WRITTEN OPINIONS. IT IS IN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR TRUMP SINCE HE LAUNCHED HIS INSURRECTION, WHICH IS DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR SUPREME POWER POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE TRUMP EVADES PROSECUTION AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HIS CRIMES. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. THE QUESTION AT SOME POINT BECOMES NOT WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE, IT IS WHAT ARE THE REST OF US GOING TO DO ABOUT IT AND WHAT THE REST OF US WILLING TO DO TO STOP THEM? >> RIGHT. AS IT RELATES TO THE SUPREME COURT, OUR OPTIONS, I.E. THE OPTIONS OF THE REST OF US, ARE RELATIVELY LIMITED AND, AT THE MOMENT, SEEM TO INVOLVE EITHER PROTEST OR MAKING SURE THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU VOTE WHATEVER WAY YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER. SHORT OF THAT, WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE? AS WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE SUPREME COURT, NOBODY IS THE BOSS OF THEM. >> WELCOMED TWO POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, HE WENT TO FOX NEWS TO DISPUTE THIS. CONSIDER THAT. HE GOES TO THE OUTLET THAT IS THE PROPAGANDA MOUTHPIECE THAT MADE UP AND RAN WITH AND ULTIMATELY HAD TO PAY A HUGE VERDICT FOR LYING IS ABOUT THE ELECTION OF 2020. PUT A PIN IN THAT. SECONDLY, IT IS NOT JUST THAT HE WAS ALIGNING WITH TRUMP, IT IS THAT HE IS ALIGNING WITH A GROUP THAT IS CONSIDERING, THAT IS DOING THE WORK OF OVERTHROWING THE CONSTITUTION. THAT IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF HIS OWN. IT IS NOT AS IF HE HAD A TRUMP SIGN, NO TRUMP, HE HAS A DOWN WITH THE CONSTITUTION SIGN, ESSENTIALLY, FLYING OVER HIS HOUSE. SO, WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DICK DURBIN HAS BEEN TWIDDLING HIS THUMBS ON ANY MANDATORY ETHICS REFORM. IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE ON MONDAY. PUT IT TO THE HOUSE AND LET THEM DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO IMPROVE THE SUPREME COURT. SECONDLY, THERE SHOULD BE AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IT. UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON SYDNEY POWELL AND HER PACK OF MALPRACTICE AND, UNETHICAL LAWYERS WERE CONCOCTING A PLOT TO HAVE SAMUEL ALITO INTERVENE IN THE ELECTION. THAT WAS THEIR SCHEME. WE HAVE TAPE OF SYDNEY POWELL SAYING YES, THAT WAS THE SCHEME, TO GET SAMUEL ALITO INTO THIS. IF THAT IS NOT GROUNDS FOR AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. THIRD, THIS IS NOT JUST A SAMUEL ALITO AND A CLARENCE THOMAS PROBLEM, THIS IS A CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS PROBLEM. HE IS COMPLICIT IN THIS. HE HAS THE CHOICE. HE CAN GO PUBLIC IF NEED BE, YOU CAN DEMAND THESE PEOPLE RECUSE THEMSELVES, HE CAN GO TO CONGRESS AND ASK FOR A MANDATORY ETHICS REGIME. BUT HE HASN'T BECAUSE HE IS WEAK, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO ALLOW THE CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY TO REMAIN SO HE CAN ADVANCE WHATEVER POLITICAL VIEWS HE HAS. HE IS COMPLICIT IN ALL OF THIS. ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE NEED IS INVESTIGATION. WE NEED COURT REFORM, WE NEED DEMOCRATS IN THIS ELECTION TO ELEVATE COURT REFORM, COME OUT IN FAVOR OF NOT ONLY TERM LIMITS BUT, IN MY BOOK, AT THIS POINT, WE NEED COURT EXPANSION. SO, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS TO BE DOING. BUT, WE CANNOT THEM IF PEOPLE LIKE DICK DURBIN SIT AROUND AND SAY PLEASE SAMUEL ALITO, WOULD YOU RECUSE YOURSELF? THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE. DEMOCRATS SHOULDN'T TOLERATE THAT KIND OF APPROACH. >>, I HAD ONE MORE THING ON ROBERTS? ROBERTS DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF HEART POWER BUT HE HAS A LOT OF SOFT POWER OVER THESE PEOPLE. ONE OF THE TOOLS IN HIS BAG THAT HE REFUSES TO USE IS THAT THERE IS NO REASON SAMUEL ALITO OR CLARENCE THOMAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO WRITE MAJORITY OPINIONS. THAT DECISION IS ROBERTS. THERE'S NO REASON SAMUEL ALITO HAS THE RIGHT TO WRITE THE OVERTURNING ROE VERSUS WIND WADE DECISION. HE CAN TAKE THOSE CASES AWAY FROM THE MEN WHO ARE COMPLICIT, AWAY FROM THE MEN WHO ARE CORRUPTED AND AT LEAST GIVE THEM TO AMY CONEY BARRETT. SHE'S SITTING RIGHT THERE. SHE'S GOT HER PENS READY FOR ACTION, RIGHT? SO, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS SCIENCE, IN ADDITION TO SPEAKING OUT AND SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE COURT THAT HE WILL BE PENNED TO FOR THE REST OF HIS LEGACY. THERE ARE SOFT THINGS ROBERTS COULD BE DOING TO RAIN THESE PEOPLE IN BUT HE'S NOT. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH JOHN, AT SOME POINT, THE DEMOCRATS JUST NEED TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE A ON THE FLOOR. WHEN I COME ON A SEGMENT LIKE THIS, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO POINT SAY LIKE LOOK, EVERYBODY, WE NEED TO VOTE FOR ETHICS REFORM BILL 1827 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO STOP THEM. I CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T PUT THAT PILL TOGETHER. >> RIGHT. THIS IS INTERESTING. IT IS AN INTERESTING POINT. SORRY, GO AHEAD, JEN. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE SUPREME COURT BAR. THEY SHOULD BE MAKING MOTIONS TO RECUSE THESE PEOPLE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF 6-3 DECISIONS WELL THESE GUYS HAVE SAT ON THE COURT SHOULD BE ASKING FOR A REHEARING. JUDGES WHO DID NOT ABIDE BY THEIR OATH WHO HAVE PLAINLY REPUDIATED THE CONSTITUTION DECIDED THESE CASES. SO, THE SUPREME COURT BAR HAS TO GET INTO THIS. I WILL ALSO MAKE A POINT THAT THE PERSON WHO BROKE THIS STORY IS A FABULOUS INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER. SHE IS NOT THE "COURT REPORTER." THE PROBLEM IS THE COURT REPORTERS TO INVESTIGATE AND TREAT THE COURT LIKE A REGULAR BEAT. THEY DON'T DO INVESTIGATIVE WORK, THEY DON'T PRESS FOR ANSWERS, THEY DO NOT TREAT THEM CRITICALLY. THEY ARE SO IN ALL OF THEIR SUBJECT MATTER THAT THEY ACT LIKE THE PRESS OFFICE OF THE COURT. JUDY CANTOR, THE PRESS COVERAGE OF THE COURT HAS TO CHANGE. AND, I THINK THE BAR THAT GOES TO THE COURT HAS TO BEGIN TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM AS WELL. THERE IS A PUBLICITY AND A SILENCE OF NORMALITY THAT HAS TO END. IT IS A ROGUE INSTITUTION THAT HAS GONE OFF THE RAILS. >> A ROGUE INSTITUTION. I JUST HAVE TO ASK YOU THIS. SAMUEL ALITO, AS YOU SAID, FROM READING HIS DECISIONS, YOU CAN, AND HIS OPINIONS, YOU CAN GLEAN WHO HE IS AND WHAT HIS POLITICS ARE. AND, I CAN UNDERSTAND IN A STATEMENT HE MADE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES IN WHICH HE SHIFTS HIS BLAME ON HIS WIFE, FOX NEWS FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM YESTERDAY AND THEY REPORTED "SAMUEL ALITO ADDED HE FELT HE HAD NO RIGHT OR ABILITY TO CONTROL OR ORDER AROUND HIS WIFE AND THAT SOME NEIGHBORS ON HIS STREET HAVE BEEN VERY POLITICAL." HERE'S MY QUESTION. NOBODY IS SUGGESTING HE SHOULD BE ORDERING AROUND HIS WIFE BUT YOU ARE POLITICAL. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, HE IS POLITICAL, YOU ARE POLITICAL, JEN IS POLITICAL, WE ARE POLITICAL BEINGS. IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT HE HAD NEIGHBORS WHO APPARENTLY DON'T LIKE HIS POLITICS THEM TO PUT THE SYMBOL OUT THAT SAID HE WAS PREPARED TO SEE THE OVERTURNING OF AN ELECTION? >> ABSOLUTELY. I AM A BLACK MAN ON TELEVISION. WHEN I GO OUT ON THE STREET, I'VE GOT SOME NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY TO ME, ALL RIGHT? I'M REALLY SORRY IF SAMUEL ALITO AND HIS WIFE HAD A BAD WALK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS PART OF SOCIETY WE LIVE IN. I'M SORRY THAT THEY CAN'T HANDLE WHAT I HAVE TO HANDLE EVERY TUESDAY WHEN THEY WALK AROUND THEIR STREET. THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. SAMUEL ALITO IS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL IMBUED WITH EXTREME, SUPREME, UNACCOUNTABLE POWER AND WHEN HE USES THAT POWER TO, I DON'T KNOW, TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS, REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE RIGHTS FOR HALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ALL RIGHT, WHEN THEY DO THINGS LIKE OUTLAW AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, WHEN THEY DO THINGS LIKE PUT GUNS ON OUR STREETS, THEIR NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO THEM, RIGHT? THEIR NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE, MIGHT HAVE A WORD THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THEM. AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, AS A PUBLIC PERSON, YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE TO TAKE IT. THIS DISPROPORTIONAL CRAZINESS DOESN'T HOLD WATER. PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME, I DON'T HAVE A FLAG FLYING OUTSIDE MY HOUSE, RIGHT? I JUST GO OH, OKAY, THANKS A LOT, SARAH. >> THAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL RESPONSE. >> THE NORMAL HUMAN BEING. >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. I'M SORRY YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT NICE TO YOU BUT PEOPLE SHOULD BE NICE TO PEOPLE IF THEY CAN BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT RESULTS IN YOU PUTTING UP A SYMBOL OF SOME WEIRD ANTI- DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL ACTIVITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL LIVE AND LEARN ABOUT THESE THINGS EVERY WEEK. THANKS TO BOTH OF
