The Questions Around Gain of Function Research

The Joe Rogan Experience did you read the email leaks do the emails from people and yeah all the the different discussions that they had about their concerns that they were responsible for this through gain of function research they applied for a grant to specifically do a few to insert a furin cleavage site which is that particular part of the virus that that raised so much concern yeah I mean look the thing is like this gets back this gets back to the same thing I think we're dancing around a little bit which is I don't know sometimes what to do with this it's highly suspicious I think of this and sometimes the way I think about my teenage kids they're not telling me everything here now do I automatically assume they're totally guilty of everything I think they're guilty of or is there something else going on here you know I I think China has not part of being prepared In My World War C book is is that is that um we have to have a a World Health Organization that's actually empowered to be able to do things it's just it's to beholden I think to China and and there was a letter that came out from Peter dashik in February of last year that he wrote in the Lancet along with a bunch of other people saying this thing you know this is ridiculous to suggest that this had somehow been bioengineered at a lab meanwhile the internal email suggested that he had very different concerns that's that's yeah that's worrisome and I said that I said Peter this this is not making sense and what did he say he said hey there's no evidence that the virus ever exists in this lab there's no evidence that at least that's because they destroyed a lot of evidence they they it this is concerning they deleted in how many how many how much evidence that they delete in 2019 I mean some stunning amount well the entire database went down exactly now I said what I said to him you were part of the who investigation did you see the database now it's been over a year later he said no when I said is that not of concern to you he said look he goes it was a public database they were worried about hacking and and so that's why they took it down I said if it was a public database why were they worried about hacking you know what were they what were they trying to hide you know so I don't I don't know Joe what to make of it it's they the the there's clearly as you said earlier I think you said were there smoke there is fire probably but can I say conclusively no and and part of me thinks we may never know we don't have a system in place at a at a sort of global level to mandate that these things actually come to light yeah we don't treat this like we treat Department of Defense issues we don't treat you know we should be thinking about this more from a defense standpoint rather than a public health preventive standpoint that's interesting yeah yeah um when you see fauci being grilled by Rand Paul and he denies that they were doing gain of function research what are your thoughts on that because by any definition that was gain of function research right gain of function research is taking a virus we should probably Google the exact definition but what my impression is that gain of function means you are imparting new ability to this virus to infect humans right the idea is that you're juicing it up and making it more contagious that's right and and that type of research has been done and in fact I think it was done 2015 I think in the in the Netherlands somewhere but if the NIH was was giving funding to Eco Health Alliance and Eco Health Alliance was funding that kind of research I think that the fauci is not being honest about that I think I think the NIH is clearly funding Eco Health Alliance and Eco Health Alliance is clearly giving grants to 100 to virology here's how they answer the question when I ask them including Francis Collins who's the head of the NIH they Define gain of function research as this you have a known bad contagious pathogen and you're going to essentially do it you know use the backbone of another known bad pathogen and you're going to splice them together essentially you're taking one thing that you know to be bad and contagious and splicing it with something else that you know to be bad that is you're expecting this to be worse than what you started with if you're taking a novel virus and you don't know how contagious this is and you're basically saying look I want to I want to isolate the spike protein on this new virus I'm going to put it on the backbone of something I do know and make it contagious to humans we'll see how it behaves at that point does this actually start to behave as something super contagious or not the the possibility is that it could but they're not sure so this is nuanced and you know a lot of people have taken issue with it including scientists who work in the field but the strict definition is that you got to know for gain a function research you know that it's going to lead to gain of function so maybe the problem is using the term gain a function yeah if we instead abandon any sort of uh nomenclature that might be problematic and say were they doing experiments to make viruses more contagious to people the answer would be yes yeah were they doing experiments that could lead to viruses being more contained yes yes I think that that's right um that is that is research that is done to try and figure out a lot of these pathogens they they examine they're they're not contagious they put the spike protein and they put some component of the virus onto the backbone of a known thing and it doesn't do much so they say we have to worry about this but it could turn into a situation where you take a component of a new virus you put it on the backbone of a known virus and it does lead to something much more contagious and that's what a lot of people are concerned about here I mean you know there was the part of those emails as you know Joe were were emails that were sent to fauci January of last year where Christian Anderson raised this concern he subsequently wrote a paper saying hey those changes that we saw I thought that that was clear evidence of bioengineering but now I've seen evidence of those same abnormalities in existing naturally occurring viruses so now I don't think that's that's the problem but it's just it's it's going back and forth and you know frankly we may never know for sure watch the entire episode for free only on Spotify

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Length: 6min 19sec (379 seconds)

Published: Wed Oct 13 2021