The Most Hated Commanders of All Time: 2023 Update | Saltiest Commanders | EDH | Magic the Gathering

[Music] hey everyone Mitch coming in for the CH scor Studio welcome to the show so on today's episode well the year is wrapping up you know we're toward the end of it and with that EDH Rec has announced and released the salt scores of 2023 what cards make Commander players the saltiest and with that well we've got a brand new list a brand new ranking of today's saltiest most hated commanders out there so with all that said let's jump into that [Music] list so we're going to start things off at number 20 I initially actually thought we're going to be doing 10 of these but I decided that because well I'm going to let you decide for yourself because there are some of these commanders that yes are legendary creatures but they're on the salt score list because of well they're great in the 99 as well and yeah they can be brutal there too so I decided to keep 20 you can decide for yourselves and I'll try to mention to in my opinion which one of these are on the list not just because of a commander but because they are in the 99 of certain decks too and they can be very salty regardless first up one of those that probably is there for that reason oong the ceaseless hunger a 1010 elrazi that costs 10 Mana whenever you cat Spell exile to Target permanence indestructible when it attacks to defending player excels the top 20 cards of their library now this has a salt score again at the 20th spot compared to all the other commanders at 1.68 which is quite high and yeah I mean for many reasons hey it is number one a a massive threat 1010 indestructible hard to deal with and on top of that I can get rid of things as soon as you cast it and also hey yeah it's also a wi condition just Milling players as well so there's a lot of factors to it of course it can be a Brut Commander this one I will lean towards and you can comment below your thoughts thought as well it being on the list more so because of it being the 99 of certain decks out there moving on though one that is on the list for it being a commander we got coma Cosmo serpent 66 serpent that can't be countered it costs seven Mana in simic begin if each upkeep not just your own each upkeep create a three three blue serpent creature token name comes coil sacrifice other serpent choose one tap down a permanent AC can't be activated this turn gains indestructible of turns the other option a salt score of 1.69 good enough again for 19 place right now and yes I personally believe that this is on the list because of it being a commander it is again really hard to deal with being indestructible maybe we'll see a little theme around like hard to deal with commanders in this we might so it can be indestructible quite easily again with each STP on the table you're making four three threes that can be sacrificed to it so again 12 power across four bodies that can make this indestructible or tap down things to and takeway activate abilities which hey if you got a Comm that activate ability you're not going to be able to activate that so this a very powerful Commander that again is hard to deal with it can't be countered and it can just tap down things that just dominate the game while creating a Army on its own so it can kind of drag a game out while also finishing it out and uh yeah a crazy good Commander so yeah one that I'm not surprised to see on this list another one number 18 that I'm definitely not surprised to see is Yuro the tiger Shadow a 13 human Ninja for three man in total and deir Commander Ninjutsu and this is probably why this is really on this list first and foremost because hey for Just Two Mana blue and a black return unblock attack you control back to your hand put this on the battlefield from your hand or the command Zone tap in attacking yeah basically that breaks Commander tax essentially because you don't need to pay the commander tax on this ever as long as you can get One Singular creature through and that's very easy to do with a deck built around this essentially you are going to be like hey um yeah oh you dealt with my commander next turn I'm just getting it back out for two Mana oh I deal with your commander yeah you got actually pay those Commander taxes so getting around the taxes can be a massive thing and a thing that kind of irks players a little bit and on top of that whenever a ninj you control do com player Reve the top card of your library put that card in your hand each one loses life you go to that card's Mana value again it's each opponent you can drain your Opps quite easily quite quickly quite effectively by getting certain things on top of your library or just happen stance you know hitting just massive things off the top so yeah a very very very powerful Commander that cheats on Commander attacks and also has a very powerful effect yeah not surprised to see this salt score being 1.75 again good enough for 18th Place next up slightly higher salt score also not surpris to see corval fakers King here again another one that can be very powerful 99 but I believe this on the list for it being a commander that is quite salty 1.77 salt score a 44 Dragon Noble flying that cost five Mana in total in jund whenever enters Battlefield or attack sacrifice another permanent whenever you sacrifice a permanant put a counter on corval and draw a card this say Commander where Wizards just threw everything in the kitchen sink at it and uh yeah they made this incredibly powerful overly powerful there are no limitations to it again whenever you sacrifice AP permanent it can be any kind of a permanent it doesn't specify non- token it doesn't specify a certain kind of permanent it's like no no no you sacrifice a land cool you sacrifice a token cool like an artifact maybe like a treasure which started getting big around this time as well yeah you get to draw a card on top of all those extra benefits you're getting from sacrificing those things and also by the way corval gets counters on it for some reason so essentially this is just a WIC as well that is evasive that can become a 2121 incredibly quickly uh to just take opponents out in one shot and then yeah draw your entire essentially yeah a crazy crazy overpowered Commander that Wizards again just did everything they're like yeah just here Coral take everything we want this precon to cell there you go see a crazy crazy good commander and I'm not surprised to see that to score at 1.77 moving on naret yeah this is a brutal Commander to play against this again is on the list because of it being a commander in my opinion a 3-2 human monk with first strike in HEX proof so again hard to deal with that is maybe a theme here with the hex proof for six Mana in total in J sky whenever naret in line Master attacks Exile top four cards your library until end of turn you may cast on creature spells from R those cards without paying the man cost goodness gracious um yeah you don't have to build the naret deck in the way that's um you know the most brutal but many players do and that is extra turns extra combats extra everything essentially just attack with naret get free things cast those free things take another turn do it again do it again do it again monopolize the time of the game yeah that's enough to get a salt score of 1.7 eight because if you ever sat through one narset game you know why this is that salty so there we go now that we're through the first five though let's take a quick break before jumping into the rest of the [Music] 15 and we are back with voring klex monstrous Raider at 15th Place with a assult score of 1.79 just barely barely notching out narset a66 for ex and prer would trample on Haste The that cost six Mana in total here we go if you would put one more counter as any permanent player put twice that many of each of those counts counter permanent player instead an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent player they put half that many instead rounded down so first up yeah like uh many uh fans out there Well they um they like to double up something for you and take away something from your opponents and this can Absolut to shut down many strategies out there this can shut down any kind of counter Synergy strategies yeah if you got a deck that's built plus one plus one counters you might not get any on your creatures with that in play essentially versus if you're the voran clex player you're getting twice as many so your opponents are going to be very jealous of that number one number two hey this works very well with certain annoying is strategies or ones that some players might consider to be annoying like well infect poison toxic all those kinds of things that essentially say hey oh I just need to get like five poison counters on my opponent to STI them out quite easy to do that so yeah this can be very good of course as a commander or in the 99 of those types of decks also it works very well with Super Friends too which some players can get rubbed the wrong way because it can be a long and plotting game with a lot of text so yes this Commander and card the 99 can work very well in some strategies that some players might not enjoy all that much so yeah not surprising to see this one that again helps you out twice as much and hurt your opponents and might Shad down strategies so yeah I can definitely see why this is on the list moving on though 14th Place a another for rexan ATT tracks up Raider's voice a 44 with flying vigilance death touch and lifel for four Mana green white blue and black so again keyword soup already and on top of that beginning of your EP proliferate so again kind of like vorn Collex this can play in certain strategies that some players just don't enjoy again poison is definitely one of them also Super Friends another kind of build that some players are telling to play against so yes atraxa is definitely on here for in my opinion it being one of the most popular commanders out there of all time it being a commander that many players consider to be pretty powerful and can have some pretty salty strategy so again 1.83 good enough for 14th Place next up there there apparently is just a um a pattern here of forian because ellisor mother machines is next a 47 forian Prader for 4 and a white at 1.83 salt score with vigilance if a permanent entering the battlefield cause a trigger ability Perman you control trigger the ability triggers whole time permanent entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of per Bon's control to trigger so again like voren klex shutting something down that enre decks might be built around yeah there there's a lot of decks out there that utilize creatures that have etbs or I guess permanence that have etbs that they really would like especially like you know blink decks which are incredibly popular so because of that yeah no you don't get any of those at all oh and by the way I get twice as M twice as many of those so again I'm getting dou value you're getting none of the value again this is a brutal Commander number one number two also brutal in the 99 of certain decks out there so this one I think is a hybrid kind of reasoning as to why this has made the a list next up ironically ellish norn K Cena B the OG ellish norn at 1.84 just barely inching out that Victory I guess it's a victory getting a higher salt score than its next iteration a 47 prer with vigilance that cost seven Mana in total and mono white who know a mono white Commander could bring this much salt other creatures you control get plus two plus two creatures control get minus 2 minus two an absurd Anthem and de Anthem type effect essentially all in one saying yeah my creatures are gigantic your creatures are tiny or non-existent essentially yeah basically wipe everything off the board that is to power sorry to toughness or less I should say and your creatures get massive this is a fourpoint power and toughness swing essentially that yes is incredibly brutal as a commander and also brutal in the 99 of decks out there yeah just throwing this down can just turn the entire table's attention at you because yeah it's going to cause some problems for them so yeah that's good enough for 12th Place and then yeah apparently this is all forian all the time in these uh Hey 11th Place got Jing attacks his progress TI at 1.88 55 for prator for seven man in total in blue where you cast an artifact instant short spell copy that spell you may choose targets to the copy ability triggers only once each turn when opponent cast an artifact ins torture spell counter that spell triggers only once each turn at least there's a limitation to it but still even with that incredibly powerful incredibly brutal again you get double of something your opponent gets half of something all your opponent are like hey uh I got a cast a spell that gets countered to actually just cast what I want to cast so they're basically wasting resources it's really hard to get through especially against a mono blue Commander like this you're like oh yeah I got counter spells as well backup ha fun fun fun and um yeah you also get to do double up you know important things like very powerful artifacts or get some very good instance or sorceries you're like yeah okay I was going to draw seven with this but I'll draw 14 instead yeah this can be just brutal it can be hard to deal with and again it can be just something that rubbed your opponents the wrong way when you're like oh yeah you don't get what you want to do but I get double of what I want to do isn't that fun so yes 11th Place 1.88 a lot of FR scenes on this list let's see if there's any others after this [Music] break moving on to the top 10 starting off at 10th Place we've got Edgar marov at 1.94 Salt score a 44 Vampire Knight for six Mana in muu Eminence that word is just something already that will get player salty myself included at some point because I just don't like Eminence I think it's a really really un fortunately invented mechanic whenever you cast another vampire spell if Edgar marov is in the command zone or on the battlefield create a one- one black vampire creature token First Strike haste whenever Edgar marov attacks you get a counter on each vampire you control okay so Eminence is basically like hey yeah you kind of get like this world en Champion that no one can interact with right before the game even starts it's kind of like just an automatic lay line kind of in that way where it's like oh yeah I just have this you can't stop it and um this one again is really powerful just basically doubling up your vampire Army every single time you cast any kind of a vampire spell you're getting another vampire in play and actually there are certain Edgar marov decks I don't even need to get Edgar in Edgar in play it's nice to get Edgar in play right when it attacks you to counter each vampire control cool that can be very powerful but also you might not even need to because this is so powerful it's so quick that you can take opponents out incredibly quickly by doubling up your Army in absolutely no time vampires is a very supported tribe a very powerful tribe yeah I mean there's there's a reason why this incredibly powerful Commander one of the most popular ones out there has a score of 1.94 next up yep yep tox real not not surprised to see this on the list again 1.94 as well 77 slug that cost seven Mana in total in Demir though at beginning of each end step put a slime counter each creature you don't control creatures don't control get minus one for each slime counter on them whenever creature control a slime cutter on it dies you get a one- one black SL creature token pay deir sacrifice a slug draw a card okay so this one basically is hey if this is in play and you don't deal with it all your things are gone all your things are gone all your creatures are gone there is no coming back from that because every single turn you get a slime counter on every single one of your creatures those add up your creatures are going to become tiny and then eventually just non-existent oh and by the way when those creatures go away I get slugs which I can sacrifice for card Advantage too yeah this is incredibly brutal as a commander and as a card in 99 1.94 not surprised see it up here next up this one's kind of a Mainstay of assault list send triplets players just don't like when their cards are stolen send triplets is a 33 human wizard that costs five Mana in esper at the beginning of your upkeep choose Target opponent this turn that player can't cast spells activ abilities and plays with their hand revealed they play lands cast spells for that player's hand this turn players don't like when you touch their hand uh yeah they don't and uh you get to say yeah you know what your turn you know my my your turn my turn's your turn basically you know I'm going to shut you down completely okay you can't do anything in my turn you can't stop me from doing things no activating abilities no casting things oh and you're think things are mine now I'm going to cast them I'm going to cast them all they all your cards are going to be mine I'm going to use your own spells against you probably use your own creatures against you use all your things against you your players don't like that and because of that again 1.97 nearly at a two Salt score let's jump things up above two though Grand Arbiter Augustine V fourth coming in at seventh place with a salt score of 2.09 a two3 human adviser for four man in to and aorus white spells you cast cost one to cast blue spells you cast cost one to cast own by the way spells your opponent's control uh the cast there one less or sorry one more oh yeah no no no no you're not helping your opponents out no no no no you might think that hey it's less less more no no no you're shutting down your opponent saying you have to pay more I pay less also other things in this deck that I'm going to be doing probably not all that nice because I'll have probably a bunch of counter spells that cost less for me to cast counter your things that you paid more for maybe some more taxing effects as well maybe some other Stacks type effects if this kind of coun just lends itself to a kind of that some tables don't enjoy like a stacky control counter strategy not the most fun and again when you're getting a massive discount your things your opponents have to pay more it's kind of like a forexanalytix [Music] elrazi tribal decks out there or just hey a a giant massive thing a 1313 eldrazi for 13 Mana but you're never going to pay that one less guess for each card type on cards in your graveyard whenever you cast emle you gain control opponent during that controller's next turn after that turn they take an ex turn flying from instance so first of all this is a two- shot KO that is really hard to deal with protects from instance also has flamp have fun with that so again two shot ko. maybe even one if you give it double strike of course also yeah just a little thing that kind of put this on the list though hey um players don't like when you take their hands also but they don't like when you take their turns so stealing a players turn from them again utilizing all their resources against them yeah say like oh cool they got a cool army let's swing that other player that I don't like right now take that player out maybe take out some of these creatures out too great things are going great maybe even put them in position that doesn't matter they get a turn after this one because they're in such a devastated position that they have no hand they've got nothing to do yeah stealing someone's turn can be quite um salt inducing so there you go a reason why this is on this list many reasons of course again a massive threat hard to deal with and of course stealing turns that's a no no many times so yeah sixth place at 2.13 let's take a quick break before we jump into the top [Music] five and we're back at fifth place and we're back to fans yay Shield R the apocalypse a 4 five Forex PR with death touch for four Mana solid score of 2.14 it's getting up there whenever you draw card you gain two life when opponent draws a card they lose two life so again with the fian hey you get double they get double the pain essentially yeah you are getting one end of the stick that is much better than the other end where your opponents are just in misery because essentially you get to just gain a bunch of Life drawing cards is very easy in mono black and uh usually that comes with a price of losing life but now you're actually gaining life to either offset it or just gain even more life off of drawing those cards whereas your opponents hey every single time you do what you just want to do in commander and magic in general draw cards you're getting punished for that a ton two life is a ton per card of course you can have other things in this deck like underworld dreams essentially to really punish your puns further this a brutal Commander when you build around this properly an absurd Camaro that can take opponents out absolutely no time and of course yeah very good in the 99 of decks as well so 2.14 salt score not surprised with it there next up completely because of power most likely well and because of some builds around it urza Lord High artificer 2.18 the fourth place Salt score Commander A14 human AR perform Mana enters of Battlefield Crea 0 Z col construct artifact creature token that gets bigger creat artifact you control tap and untapped artifact creature sorry artifact not artifact creature tap it on artifact you control at Blue pay five shuffle your library Exile the top card play it for free essentially yeah th this Commander kind of just broke things open back when I believe modern Horizons was what this came out with uh yeah came out because oh my goodness yeah this is a crazy Commander that turns every single one of your artifacts not just you know non- token every single one of your artifacts into a Mana Rock every single one of them is now a Mana Rock and also you can do some pretty crazy things like you know winter orb you can shut things down so yeah even just the power level this Commander is absurd and salt inducing and just what it can do but also yeah there are some less than desirable Decks that can be built with it again staxy type Decks that can be incredibly powerful with it that can just really shut the game down and make things not nearly as fun for your opponents potentially and also it can be kind of salt inducing too when you shuffle your library and just happen to hit something off the top of your library that just changes the game in your favor your opponents are like yeah we didn't really want you just happen to hit that but you're getting all the luck now on top of all these things that you're doing yeah a 2.18 not surprised to see it up there next up though with a assult score of 2.33 jinus core auger a five4 Prader fxi and Prader for 10 minut in total with flash if you g your EP draw seven cards each max hand size is R by seven like I said earlier with sent tripet players don't like when you mess with their hands um this makes it so your opponent doesn't have a hand that should be fine right no not really yeah this is a crazy good commander and card 99 where it's like yeah if I play it the game is basically over if you can't deal with it you are obviously in blue so you got ways to protect it you know like counter spells and you're going to have plenty of those because you're going to be drawing um yeah on your endep seven cards so you're going to be able to replace essentially your entire hand be able to essentially say I got the perfect hand I've got everything I need I'm going to shut things down I can Flash this in whenever I want to just surprise my opponents in the perfect situation to shut them down and they also just don't get to keep any hands which is just perfect for me bad for them opponents have the top deck essentially try to stop you again a crazy crazy powerful IM brutal effect 2.33 next up and I was wondering if this one was going to be first place actually turrid God of fright God of salt is what I like to call turrid a 4 five God with Menace for five Mana salt score jumps up to a 2.52 goodness gracious whenever the opponent sacrific a non token permanent or discards a permanent card you may put that card from a graveyard on the battlefield under your control this is it that betrays as a commander for so much cheaper that does more again sacrifice a non token permanent or discards a permanent card you get it for free so this is essentially incentivizing you to do a massive edict deck which you're like yeah everyone sacrifices everything and discards everything and players might not like that and also they don't like when you steal their things you get to do that too oh and by the way there's more on the backside tur Lantern Ledger artifact for four Mana tap t play lose through unless they sacrifice per discard a card pay three and a black untap it so hey also you just happen to have a card that essentially on the back of this absurdly brutal Commander is just an infinite win condition essentially if you've got infinite Mana there you go you just win the game so yeah this Commander not surprised to see this one up there 2. 52 one of the saltiest cards of all time one that oh goodness gracious just probably should never have been created Wizards what were you thinking that being said let's take a quick break before we jump into number one and coming in at first place we've got yeah you guessed it yet another fxi imp Prader voren klex voice of hunger the OG voren klex made it there a 76 prider with trample that c cost eight Mana in total whenever you tap a land for Mana at one mana mana pool of any type that land produced when opponent Taps a land for Mana that land does it unts ont step this is essentially a Stacks Commander or just a stack card in the 99 that just doubles up your resources and Hales your opponents so again messing with opponent's hands not nice messing with their turn not nice messing with their Mana goodness gracious how dare you do that especially when you're doubling up your own so again a card that can really just change the game completely where your opponent are like I don't know when to tap my lands what to tap them for how to do this just shutting yourself down by tapping your lands when your opponent just like I've got so much Mana look at me it's a card that's super good obviously as a commander but yeah I think this one more so in the 99 essentially is what really causes problems because there a lot of decks out there that can be like yeah I wouldn't mind a Mana doubler that also has my opponent's Mana absolutely absurd so again 2.55 just barely barely beating out turrid again by 03 three voren collects congratulations congratulations you are the saltiest Commander uh apparently of the rankings this year but now this episode is coming to a close it's time for me to hear from you so in the comments below let me know what your thoughts are on these commanders again which ones do you think are on this list because of their factors in the 99 and which one are purely because of the commander factor that they have what is the most brutal what the most saltiest Commander that you can think of are there any on this list that are that are on this list actually that that did not show up so let me know and of course as always thanks again and have a good one this show in episodes like this one are possible thanks to viewers like you if you're looking for an easy way to help support this show make sure that you like share and subscribe also hit that Bell notification icon so you don't miss any new episodes you can also go check out our playmats and other merchandise atth commanders quarters.com we also have a ton of brand new t-shirt designs in stock so make sure you check out those as well another easy way to support this show is with 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Keywords: Most Hated Commanders, Saltiest Commanders, Most Hated Commanders EDH, Saltiest Commanders EDH, Magic the Gathering, MTG, Commanders 2 Cents, mtg, commander, magic the gathering, Atraxa, Edgar Markov, Elesh Norn, Elesh Norn Mother of Machines, Emrakul, Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, Jin-Gitaxias, Jin-Gitaxias Progress Tyrant, Koma Cosmos Serpent, Korvold, Narset, Sen Triplets, Sheoldred the Apocalypse, Tergrid, Toxrill, Ulamog, Urza, Vorinclex Monstrous Raider, Vorinclex, Yuriko

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Length: 26min 8sec (1568 seconds)

Published: Fri Dec 01 2023