The Most Exciting Gaming PC in YEARS - WAN Show July 16, 2021

welcome to the wan show ladies and gentlemen we've got a fantastic show for you today because boy is it ever easier to have a fun and exciting wan show when we've got news like this week the valve news the valve steam deck is the hot right now and everyone's talking about it and why not because this thing is flipping excited so we're going to dig into that we're also going to be talking about tsmc exploring on chip water cooling this is something enthusiasts have explored at times in the past but it's certainly to my knowledge never been looked at by someone as important and as actually capable of pulling it off as tsmc what else we got uh alder lake is hopefully gonna be not terrible which would be absolutely fantastic um and microsoft announces windows 365 just in case you want another subscription service there you go problem solved did they really i actually didn't see this yes it's probably not exactly what you think so stay tuned and we'll talk more about it later okay then [Music] it's like remote stuff it's actually like maybe kind of cool all right all right [Music] and the show is brought to you today by pulseway bridge wallet and oops i clicked oh yeah squarespace yes that's definitely right okay cool so why don't we jump right into our headline topic the valve steam deck and i want to start with what is going to be my harshest criticism of this new hardware endeavor from valve yes okay all right this is my hot take this is the worst thing about it the name sucks it's terrible it's terrible it's terrible the stream deck has existed for years yes for years the elgato stream deck which is even a gaming device for years it's existed it's been in the market and it's the only thing that kind of sounds like that like is external to the computer and technically has screens on it and is flat and is black why just like even more annoying why deck yeah that too like what what i don't know i understand the stream deck that actually does make sense to me steam deck no steam boy i'd have been like lol okay and nintendo's coming for you you know nintendo would be coming for him yeah team steam okay so here fine it's not helpful to criticize something unless you come up with something better so luke we got to work on this then so steve but there's there's been a pretty good one there's been two there's one that i like more to give the community ones first before we try to come up with things hit me um there's there's one in the dock that calls it i mean it's called the gabe boy there's the gabe boy gabe boy advanced and gay boy advance sp that one's funny i believe that yeah by anthony anthony contributed a very large amount of topics this week so we only really have a doc because of anthony so thank you anthony very funny but the other i agree that wasn't sarcastic that was actually i know it could probably sound that way but it wasn't we would have like two topics if it wasn't for anthony he actually completely bailed us out thank you very much um but the the other community one which i do think is is better is gabe gear no no you can't have gabe's name like i have no problem with them calling it steam something you know steam pad or steam [Music] i i i don't know it's steam i mean like you know what's something kind of team deck is too close to stream deck that's all that's like that's the just that's just the main problem and it's not an unheard of device a lot of people know the the stream deck so it's like it's just annoying honestly when i first read the name i thought it was called stream deck and i thought they just straight up completely ripped off the name from molgod because it's not like valve doesn't have a streaming service thought was like yeah okay so this is to to remotely play games from your desktop using valve and right like steam and home streaming which i don't know what they call it any remote play is it no no remote play is when you're playing a local multiplayer game with someone remotely sorry i can't keep track of all the different things they call stuff the point is so if you really call it steam the good news is that everything else about this thing looks absolutely freaking awesome let's uh let's haul up the product page here i meant i even typed stream deck while i was trying to search for it bloody hell okay so it's yeah yeah your mind immediately goes to stream deck it's a problem oh uh that's uh not the screen capture that i wanted what happened to my oh no here we go that's better steam deck here it is ladies and gentlemen so one thing before you get too far into it yes um can they see the layout of it on your screen right now uh the layout of the of the of like the pc of the steam deck yeah ignore the pricing guys i'm stuck on the canadian site and i can't immediately figure out how to change it so this is this is canadian pricing uh so whatever so my favorite thing if they can see it yeah is that it more closely resembles a wii u gamepad than most other things i have seen so far and the wii u gamepad was actually a delight to use it was fantastic i actually preferred it over the standard controllers it was really nice and one of the things with that is that the thumb sticks are at the top okay you're getting into nitty gritty details here but we got to give people the general lowdown okay luke we got to give them the lowdown so here's the basic specs it's got a seven inch display it's touchscreen it's 1280 by 800 so that's a 16 by 10 aspect ratio 400 nits typical brightness it's got an ambient light sensor so that's going to help you conserve battery if you're in a dim area or whatever the case may be it's got a zen 2 apu four cores eight threads running it anywhere from well up to 3.5 gigahertz boost and up to 15 watts tdp it's got an eight it's got eight rdna two cu's that run it up to 1.6 gigahertz so this thing is actually going to be capable of running triple a games now not aaa games at 4k resolution in docked mode or anything stupid like that it's still you know of this earth it's not like they went to the future and brought back technology with them but it is going to have some serious grunt considering its size it weighs 1.47 pounds so that's uh just under 700 grams 669 grams um which is pretty beefy and maybe this must have must have pulled off a couple grams there to make that work that i swear that happened 6 16 that must have happened yes i i wouldn't put it past them but this is i think this is the first time that this is where we can get into a little bit of a deeper dive conversation one of the things that you immediately said was wow this reminds me of the wii u gamepad controller unfortunately this thing weighs 67 percent more than a nintendo switch plus joy and considering that the wii u controller was just a screen and buttons wireless yeah it was extremely light that's one of the reasons that the wii u controller was so comfortable it was also thick because it wasn't designed to be carried out and about with you the street the steam deck is obviously thinner and is going for something more akin to a nintendo switch type of experience so that's something that is immediately going to be tough but but i also have i also have a counter argument to that that i'll get into a little bit later that involves this guy right here my main note about the wii u controller is the way that this shoulder button and i'm not saying this hasn't been done before by any alternatives which is i think what you're kind of getting into but the way that the the where you hold it is shaped the way the triggers are shaped and the position of the thumb sticks and the abxy uh buttons that is all very nice my one of my biggest issues with the switch was that they put that one thumbstick in like the middle of the controller yeah and it made it really weird um and i really liked that the wii u had both the thumb sticks way at the top and it was kind of less great that the abxy was below it but you almost never used that so it didn't matter and i think it's pretty cool on this one how they're side by side i don't think that's going to be uncomfortable to control with smaller small hands i have some concerns like if my kids tried to use this thing i don't for my hands it looks okay but if like my kids tried to use it or something like that i think it might be a little bit more challenging right it looks pretty darn well thought out and valve has a history of thinking through the ergonomics of things at least to the point where you can definitely go well they definitely thought this through i mean the uh the steam controller bloody hell what'd they call that thing did they just call it steam control they did the steam controller was ergonomic it's just that the touchpad didn't really work for me what's fascinating about this is that they clearly haven't abandoned the touchpad paradigm they just have recognized now that it's not perfect for everything they had us using the touchpad instead of joysticks whereas here now we've got a touchpad we'll actually rather touch pads in addition to joysticks which opens up all kinds of options both for ambidextrous players or left-handed players as well as for different gameplay styles like or different genres of games that you might want to play that's that's extremely exciting and i'm i am really i'm stoked to try it now it's got 16 gigs of lpddr5 memory it's got a 40 watt hour battery that is extremely impressive considering the size of this thing stereo speakers analog triggers which is a big deal that's one of my complaints about the thing that i was going to talk about a little bit later a micro sd card up to 512 gigs of m.2 storage on board depending on which uh trim level you spring for and these twin 32 and a half millimeter touch pads claim that they have 55 better latency compared to the steam controllers touch pads they are pressure sensitive and have hd haptics uh so that's just improved feedback on the touch pads when you're swiping across them pressing on them all that kind of stuff man six axis motion sensitivity okay that's pretty cool uh we did a video recently where i tried using the playstation 4 controllers uh gyro capabilities to game on pc there's like a hacky way that you could do it and i was shocked at how intuitive it was compared to trying to yeah trying to fine tune operate a joystick there's pro gamers out there that are great at it that's that's fine that's great that's wonderful but for someone who hasn't spent their whole life working on that skill boy is a gyro i think there's going to be some advanced tactics stuff too where you do a combination use the thumbstick for like big sweeping movements then you micro adjust with the aiming but i i think there's something that wasn't mentioned here or maybe i missed it maybe you said it and i didn't hear it but there's also the grip buttons on the back yes i really like especially like it's always been really cool in the elite controllers and stuff but i think on this it makes even more sense because like i was talking about earlier all your controls being at the top the thumb sticks being in probably the best position which is the outside if i'm i think i'm correct with that the inside sorry um yeah the outside is a little maybe a little weird but um having those buttons on the back is going to make it so you don't have to move off which on a heavy device i think is going to actually be a pretty big deal yep you have to keep your hands in one spot and be able to press buttons there i think it's going to be a much bigger deal than it's ever been on a controller i think it's going to be very very important on this device absolutely it's got 2x2 ac wi-fi bluetooth 5.0 a dual microphone array it can output 8k 60 uh because it's got displayport 1.4 built into its usb type-c port and you can also use the usb-c port to connect to the official dock yes that's right ladies and gentlemen there's a dock too uh it'll be sold separately more information coming soon but it's got displayport hdmi uh type c as well as that looks like a an audio jack hold on a second it's in my notes usb 3.1 type a so two of those effectively it turns this into a full desktop pc experience there's ethernet and so there's one usb 3 two usb 2's sorry i think i misspoke earlier i don't see that's probably power that's probably power over on the left there because i would expect you to handle audio uh just plugging into the jack that's built into the steam deck itself man i i hope they get the joysticks right i mean it seems like everyone and their dog is going through joystick gate right now whether it's nintendo with their drift or whether it's sony that's had a real heck of a time with feedback on their playstation 5 controller which is otherwise freaking awesome to the point where microsoft is reportedly looking at doing a mid-generation refresh of their controller to try and achieve something closer to feature parity um i hope valve gets it just right on this thing but the reality of it is that it's extremely challenging to build both an accurate and robust joystick in something that is so low profile i understand why everyone's screwing it up even companies that have a ton of experience i just don't like it because joysticks not working sucks yes absolutely sucks if there's if there's anything that's going to make you want to put a game down that's that's definitely one of them three different trim levels okay the base model is and this is absolutely mind-blowing to me the base model is 399 us i just saw a comment on float plane saying they need to drop the price a hundred dollars in order to make this thing attractive are you kidding me this is a full computer for four hundred dollars this is basically in a chip shortage this is chromebook level pricing almost except that it's got a built-in what i'm assuming is high quality controller and it's going to be a relatively non-mainstream product i mean maybe uh gaben also came out and said they're expecting to sell quote millions of these things but man this is this is an engineering challenge to build these things you know valve's got to make some money i mean there's someone in florida saying rich guy view what are you talking about i feel like i often don't take the rich guy view and i would say if you expect that to be 299 you're out to freaking lunch um it's it's it's not that there's there's like it's just it's just wishful thing um and sure you could say oh i really want this to be a hundred dollars because i'd love for it to be five yeah sure i'd love for it to be i'd love for it to be 50 cents you know i just yeah maybe i could just maybe i could just wish on a star and one would fall into my lap but but you got to understand these things actually cost money do you have any idea how much the tooling for this device would have cost i mean we're talking valve was out seven figures before they even put any computer hardware and even built one just to do the plastics for it like you got to understand that right no not that low but 100 yes yeah but you're still just pulling that out of your butt like this that's coming out of nowhere for the stuff that's in this especially during a chip shortage this is not an egregious price i would love to say it is but it's it's just not let's ignore the chip shortage because by the time this thing ships um you know looking at what's happening with gpu pricing in china we're going to talk about that a little bit later on the show who knows maybe the elite the chip shortage will be alleviated somewhat but let's look at what else is on the market let me get to manufacturing now because you can't just look at a product in a vacuum right you can't just say well it's more expensive than i would like therefore it should be cheaper everything has a cost and everything has to compete with what else is available in the market so let's look at what else is available in the market there's the nintendo switch which is 299 us for a flipping four-year-old armed cpu with a tegra gp or excuse me a tegra soc with an armed cpu and what is it like maxwell gpu on it uh tegra x1 is it maxwell i think it is yeah i mean we are talking ancient technology that wasn't cutting edge when the switch came out four years ago nintendo wants 299 for that okay now let's look at something that's way more comparable the aeonio which is the handheld that i've been holding up that is i think probably the most comparable thing to the steam deck on the market right now a this thing is barely even on the market so far they've only done a kickstarter excuse me indiegogo campaign for it so i don't even think you can just just buy one and have it ship immediately and now let's have a look at the pricing okay this bot this guy starts at uh hold on a second here we go it was 880 canadian dollars so that's around 700 us dollars that sounds like a reasonable price but let's drop it by a hundred bucks sorry keep going at a hundred no no sorry sorry it was a joke based on the comment okay that's that's 300 higher with what is essentially very similar hardware okay not quite 300 higher because we're comparing it to the base model so let's go back to the the baseball is pretty good though yeah i do want to jump in there so the the so yeah i'm just going to go through the model stuff quickly the base model is 399 us it has 64 gigs of emmc flash storage um and that's that's it you're just getting the device that's it if you go up to the 529 us model you get 256 gigs of storage you get a carrying case and you get a steam community profile whatever might as well if you go up a bit more about 120 bucks to 649 us you go up to 512 gigs of nvme storage um you get an exclusive carrying case you get an exclusive steam community profile and you get an exclusive virtual keyboard theme whatever something to note yeah those nvme drives replaceable yep so they're 30 millimeter 30 millimeter nvme drives this is where we get into the comparisons with the a and eo a little bit so the a neo at its cheapest early bird price was 50 dollars more than the comparably equipped steam deck there was a problem with the notes sorry there's a problem with the notes the base model does include a carrying case the the main difference on these two yeah sorry sorry sorry the main difference is that you go from 64 gigs of emmc to 256 gigs of nvme just straight up so it's it's faster storage more storage not a carrying case thing and you get the community profile sorry continue okay so back to back to the and eo a little bit let's talk some let's talk some pros and cons uh one of the things that a neo has is it's got way more usb expansion so it's got two usbc ports on the top that is flipping awesome it's got two more cpu cores okay it's got so it's got a ryzen 5 4500u that is a six core processor it's got uh let me have a look here what other sort of advantages it i mean i don't know if this one is actually making its way into the general public's hands but it has like built-in rgb lighting which i guess is kind of cool in the dark so you can see these green lights on the side i believe they can be configured they're breathing right now um what's the size of the battery i think it actually says right on the back here 47 watt hours so i think that's actually a little less if i recall correctly no it's actually a little bit more so it has a slightly bigger battery it takes full sized 80 millimeter nvme uh drives so that's pretty cool as well but it doesn't have six axis motion controls uh it doesn't have the touch pads um i haven't seen valve's screen yet but i suspect the one on the uh the one on the steam i keep playing we'll come wanting to call it a steam pad now the one on the steam deck is probably gonna be a little bit better this one is this one is pretty good they're both seven inches the point is these are fairly comparable devices oh the speakers are pretty bad on this thing to the point where apparently they're they're still tuning those now um and it's 50 more at the cheapest early bird price and then this thing was 789 dollars and they sold 500 out of 500 of them this is a campaign that did 2. to like 2.2 2.3 million us dollars and to this day you cannot buy this thing because it is out of stock okay so you can say oh yeah valve is charging too much or whatever but if anything by offering that 64 gig emmc option with microsd expansion they have clearly done everything in their power to make this thing as affordable as possible this is not some cheapo arm soc this is a full fledged pc it's freaking awesome and i'm not some kind of valve fan boy i have no problem calling them out when they do something stupid but you got to understand that you got to give credit where credit is due this hardware has a cost developing hardware has a cost and we can't expect valve to just give it away at a loss like i don't they're a for-profit company what do you guys want i'm i'm excited to get my hands on this thing and i think it's going to be uh dinner beef and floatplane chat says gabe said hitting that price was not easy i believe him oh yeah definitely yeah if the plastics quality of this thing not to mention just the the cost of getting them all assembled like there's a production cost of these things if it's anywhere near what i would expect from valve based on my other valve hardware this thing would have cost a freaking fortune to pre to to create now angry panda pc over in floatplane chat says the price to value debate doesn't make any sense on this device and i criticize so many modern devices for being overpriced actually no i have no idea what you're talking about so values in the eye of the beholder you can say it's not worth it to me absolutely that is a hundred percent i think this is going to be not worth it to a lot of people of course no that's okay that's fine it's just not yeah not everything has to be for everyone value is in the eye of the beholder but the price is aggressive jr6955 says psv to msrp 249. you you got to understand like sorry what what are you talking about that's the 100 guy just don't just oh is it really oh okay yeah yeah you're good don't worry about that wow okay an official dock is gonna be sold separately this is actually super talked about oh sorry yeah i hope there's uh unofficial ones as well one thing that's kind of stupid about the official dock and about the device actually i'm not a huge fan of this i saw some praise for it for having its usbc charging port on the top because they said it'll make it easier to game while you're charging um yeah i can see that because especially with a heavy device like this one this weighs about the same amount sometimes i do find myself wanting to rest it but i also don't mind resting it kind of like this with my wrists making it so that the cable can get out and having something hanging off the top i'm not a huge fan of that especially if it's kind of a bulkier wire and it also makes the dock kind of stupid because their dock requires you to put the thing in and then run a cable so it's not really a dock so much as it's a dongle you might have already said this considering you already mentioned the dock but they also said that regular usbc adapters will work fine all all i doubt actually all but they said all usb-c docs will work so i mean i see no reason why one wouldn't yeah i just you know i don't know a hazard to say just like literally anything will function yeah that's fair yeah all right but but i don't suspect you're gonna run into issues is what i'm trying to get across that's great hershey chap over on floatplane says it would be cool if linux was on the steam deck kind of like steam machines hey i'm so glad you uh brought it up because yes it is running steam os what is it steamless 3.0 uh hold on blah blah where's my notes yep steam os 3.0 which is arch linux based uh it's got um let's see hold on there's some really good information in here [Music] yes now obviously because it's linux you're going to have some issues with game compatibilities particularly games with strong anti-cheat so there's a handful of games including shoot which one was i i was looking at a list of them before this and now i've gone and misplaced it but four of the top ten games on steam right now have issues with anti-cheat in uh in linux uh running valve's proton but valve is apparently reaching out to those developers and trying to work specifically on those games to make sure that proton which is a compatibility layer that allows you to run windows games on linux will have proper support for those i am i am pretty excited so if you ever if you ever end up in a linux debate or a linux conversation in general after owning one of these you can confidently say that you run arch i know right so their goal is for every game to work with proton by the time they ship steam deck that should give you some idea of how long this has been in the works what it seems like is they basically tried that whole steam machines thing which was like the the desktop or rather the tv consoles uh kind of went okay yeah this didn't work we didn't do the whole killer app thing um also it's just a computer it's hard to compete against just computers uh forget it see you later that project clearly never died it looks like it just transitioned to a handheld and the timing is so right for this to happen i mean we've watched it happen smaller companies like gpd have been bringing out devices like this for years now and they've always been pretty okay but this last generation i was extremely bullish on the gpd win3 uh we covered the a and neo founder we covered the oh man what's that thing called the one x player all three of them were like pretty cool and had their pros and cons uh the one x player screen resolution was too high you couldn't drive it honestly it was too big at what was it like almost nine inches 8.4 inches kind of too bulky the gpd win3 great a little bit hampered by its xe graphics honestly not because the performance sucks but because the drivers are an absolute mess or at least they were back when i covered it and then i think the a neo is the one that has struck the best balance out of all of those three i absolutely freaking love this thing you can see that i'm uh in the middle of a super mario rpg run through right now i've been using it for retro games i've been using it for modern games the seven inch screen is freaking awesome 720p at that size it's fine and that's a lot of what i based my take uh for this switch oled my take that 720p was still okay even with the larger screen was actually based on doing so much of my gaming on the a neo lately and finding it is fine yeah it's not the sharpest thing ever whatever you want the sharpest thing ever go get an iphone like it's not like you can't get a sharper display but if you want to play pc games i'd rather run them at native at a lower native resolution than running at a non-native resolution on my awesome high-resolution display and the same is going to be true of the switch since nintendo didn't upgrade the hardware i i don't know maybe maybe i'm being kind of defensive about this because you know i can see the work they put into it i can see the cost they put into it i'm extremely excited i'm passionate about these handheld pcs becoming a thing and i'm just finding this thing really exciting and so maybe i'm not being completely objective but i'm excited now now i want to know how stupid uh does dell feel okay do you remember this thing hold on a second uh in in in valve's statements and they did this with the the steam pc as well i don't think they're trying to win this market i'm trying to i think they're trying to push this market forward so i don't think dell is out yeah but they've lost a lot of mind share by not just shipping this thing itself for sure yeah they showed it a year and a half ago in a basically working state so yeah that's a little rough yeah and back to me being really passionate and defending this thing video cards has this excellent little table of all the similar products here so you've got your nintendo switch and switch light you've got your gpd win3 hold on a second let me blow this up okay apparently i cannot well whatever call that good enough uh your gpd win3 they've all got their pros and cons the win3's got this keyboard so if you you know enter text often but not that often you know that can be pretty cool i guess uh it's smaller this is actually pocketable whereas none of these other ones are particularly pocketable it's only got a five and a half inch display um the a neo man this thing is freaking awesome um probably a very very similar spec to what we're gonna get with the steam i i keep struggling i keep struggling to to come up with the name um the the steam deck uh hold on i actually want to double check because i didn't remember this thing having six cores but maybe i'm just yeah i'm drunk it does it totally has six cores six threads uh the the uh 1x player right here it has the biggest screen but kind of hampered by xc graphics blah blah blah like they've all got their pros and cons i think anu also has like pretty pretty compelling pricing even though it's higher it's actually higher than the steam deck um man okay there's a few things actually as someone who would be likely to just install windows on the thing because there's stuff that i do on it other than just you know use a browser and play games uh also windows is just my comfort zone the a neo looks like a probably a better windows machine just because they've got these uh like these shortcut keys so you've got a windows button whoop whoop there we go you got a windows button you've got a button to bring up the on-screen keyboard escape task manager task manager is really useful because no it's really useful because you're putting you that way i was frowning because i was i was thinking in my head like you might be able to bind some of the keys on the you probably because it's so bad but steam deck but yeah you could probably bind some of those to those types of functions but yeah sorry keep going maybe you could you don't want to hit them by accident either though um but maybe you could bind some of the front ones if you use the back ones more often which honestly i think someone who's like mid-maxing their experience because of that hand position thing i was talking about might do that i guess so i don't know yeah i like anyway the point is i like those buttons also believe it or not um i like the i like the top uh abxy i like the top abxy i don't like the symmetrical joysticks i think that the steam deck is gonna is gonna win me over anyway just because they're they're kind of in line you just reach over your abx y if you need the dual joysticks i'm i'm pretty into that but it's the kind of thing that i'm going to have to actually get hands-on with before i can draw any kind of conclusion one big downer about the a neo is that these triggers are not analog they are just binary on or off triggers but my understanding is that the a and neo is they said you can bind the touch pads apparently that's something that i probably wouldn't use so that i could be pretty into that oh you could you could probably bind parts of the touchpad i would think so yeah because if i recall correctly you could do cool stuff like that on the steam controller you might even be able to do gestures yep task manager like an x all right that could be pretty cool that'd be pretty sweet that could be pretty cool oh man i'm excited man uh everyone's an analyst peeves says no not peeves uh hold on a second ah blah blah blah nico you says or nico and eo and gpd's fault is the moment when they chose to use windows yeah but they you gotta understand they didn't have the development resources to build proton i mean what other company other than valve could possibly have tackled that project hit me with one yeah i mean yeah maybe maybe epic you know could have pushed into it earlier to because so many games are powered by unreal engine you know like there's companies that could but they wouldn't have the experience or the expertise to really do it properly the motivation or the yeah stick with it there's basically no one else that's gonna do it yeah microsoft yeah nice yeah sure yeah for sure for sure there but they could yeah yeah i mean haters gonna hate there's people that are just not into it and not excited about that about it i see that in the comments but for people who are okay hold on a second i'll be right back while he's gone i want to talk about something it's not in the dock or i might have missed it um skimming through i don't think it's in the dock um i don't think it was i don't know if it was technically this week i asked people what the date was they said it i blurred out and didn't really read it but github co-pilot oh he's already back i thought he was going to be gone for longer github co-pilot is crazy i i've been talking for at least a decade about how something like this is needed absolutely this was going to happen and this is a thousand percent the future i don't know if this exact version of it is or not but this type of thing is definitely the future yeah we got to talk about that later yeah okay i'm sorry okay back to this conversation for anyone who loved the shield i mean the real shield not the shield tablet which i think got renamed shield or the no no the shield console the android tv thing that got named shield later the original nvidia shield for anyone who loved this thing you've been waiting for a legitimate actual replacement for this thing for what like six years five years it's been a long freaking time well it finally happened you're running a full fat linux install and valve has even come out and said hey if you want to go ahead and huck windows on it there is a legitimate reason to be extremely excited right now so sure you know what you don't care about it that's fine but you got to recognize it for what it is a full fat computer in a super thin portable form factor that can play full fat pc games it can stream games from your more powerful desktop it can play it can play emulated games you've got this enormous back catalog potentially it's just super cool it's cool tech and if you don't like it then i think that you might not be looking outside of your own needs and just appreciating it for the amazing technology that it is that's all i have to say all right let's talk about that it's not actually in the dock but i was reading about it as well let's uh let's talk about that luke jump get us up to speed github co-pilot well yeah i don't know how this this passed by me but i didn't know about it until now um oh really someone asked someone asked in floatplane chat are you guys going to talk about github co-pilot and i was like copilot i haven't heard of this and i looked it up and my brain was immediately blown um the fact that it's powered by open ai just totally makes sense and gives me a lot more confidence in it than other similar ideas that have been talked about slash announced done in the past and have always had some form of issue this is crazy so why don't you talk about what it's supposed to do and then i can talk about some of the controversy around it already oh i'm sure there's lots um and i'm sure it's not going to matter because i'm sure it's going to happen anyways so github co-pilot it is supposed to suggest whole lines or entire functions of code and if you see their example i don't know if you're showing this on screen or not they're they're typing the first line of a of a function and it's it's auto-completing the rest of it like crazy um not the examples that they're giving aren't necessarily all that out of this world um but even like it's just just it's just the general concept of something that helps you develop by suggesting things and giving a guiding hand has been needed for a long time and will absolutely be something that's used yes on the extreme end of programming a lot of very seasoned programmers aren't going to want or likely won't use something like this unless they can find a way for it to be very very lightweight and out of their way so they can use it just as a speed increase so they don't have to type certain things that's like pretty much probably the only way it's going to be used on the really high end what this is going to be groundbreaking for is new programmers going to be huge people that want to develop some little home automation thing for fun that they can do at home people that want to learn some basics um and can start you know known enough to be dangerous but can't really get a ton of things done um is going to be massive and the further this goes forward the lower the lower the barrier of entry into development is going to be and the easier it's going to be for individuals to develop their own things without being a seasoned professional which is massive super super big deal and i'm sure we're just seeing like the beginning splashes of of what this can do considering it's powered by open ai we're gonna see this grow and become stronger over time all right now let's talk about some of the uh controversy around it as with any kind of machine learning or ai tool copilot has to have some kind of data set that is how exactly would it know how to complete that line uh if it didn't have some examples of code that had been written in the past now because this is coming from github i think you guys see where i'm going with this the potential for github to just scrape all of the code submitted to the entire platform and then use it to train their ai is very high and that creates a number of problems i mean one problem is that the quality of the code could be sketchy at best it might not be the most optimized code that it suggests for your auto complete and number two is that the licensing for code doesn't really have any provision for this one way or the other to my understanding so without a developer's express consent github might be training their ai based on their code which in and of itself is not necessarily plagiarism but then if it goes and suggests that exact snippet to another developer are they then as this middle man causing one developer to plagiarize the code of another without even knowing it yeah wow bit crazy so here's something oh hold on i just want to talk about this uh kyle kyle who posted congrats at david selis you get a shout out if github co-pilot tries to generate an about me page look at this about me i'm a software engineer from the bay area currently working at salesforce i love to learn new things and build things i have i have a new github account that's accept solution that's auto-generated like that was clearly pulled straight off of david's website as uh as as jaden says it it says in quotes trained on billions of lines of public code um like directly on the landing page so so yeah that that is that is exactly what's happening yeah it's pretty nuts you can literally have it like if you get into some of these examples that they have you can write comments and it'll write the whole thing for you it'll try at least yeah write a comment describing the logic you want and let github copilot assemble the code for you it's going to be exactly what you want is it going to be efficient is it going to be whatever else i don't know but the fact that it's even going to try is wild like what do schools do uh i don't know because it's probably because of how um open ai works it's probably not going to be the same every time so you're not going to be able to maybe you can train people to use copilot or what like i don't know what i mean is like how do you verify that copilot just didn't write an entire student's assignment that's difficult because they could write a description for example they should they could write a comment that describes what they want the code block to do yeah have the code block get generated and then change the comment so you don't know what led to the generation of that code like that's a difficult problem for uh tony and wolf in twitch chat says it's gonna lead to the replication of bugs across different software packages uh yeah yeah i think that's uh i think that's gonna be a broad plains instant cs major degree speed run oh man that would be a really you know what that would be really interesting if like if like a university teacher gave this thing homework yeah and saw how well it scored like on multiple levels of uh of course that would be really interesting i'll be interested to see how this is going to shake out i'll be interested to see how the legal challenges to um i guess microsoft's use of this code um ends up shaking out regardless of what happens this is gonna have an immense impact on the world and 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hardware lux has reported on a presentation given by tsmc researchers at the latest vlsi symposium exploring new ways to cool silicon chips with the advent of vertical 3d stacking of transistors to densify performance cooling is going to become even more challenging because heat from lower levels of the stack won't be easily dissipated the researchers from tsmc tested three cooling methods with integrated silicon micro channels etched in both a grid and linear pattern in their tests so water would flow from one side to the other taking the heat with it this is incredible so for their tests they built a what do they call this thing a thermal test vehicle so we've got a slide from the presentation looks a little something like this okay so this is direct water cooling okay silicon here so silicon lid with liquid metal thermal interface material okay oh my goodness this is this is so cool i absolutely freaking love it um their last prototype had the micro channels etched on the ttv directly and they dubbed this direct water cooling it was the most effective dissipating 2.6 kilowatts of heat with a temperature delta of 63 degrees celsius direct water cooling look at this madness we're talking water in channels in the silicon okay and this is compared to having thermal interface material uh between what is this two layers of silicon okay that's interesting i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to dig into this a little bit more the point is water channels in silicon wow the grid pattern was found to be the most effective or more effective than the uh just the slots uh the linear pattern and uh yeah i guess that's pretty much that's pretty much it for that that's cool i hope to see it in the future realistically this is going to be the kind of thing you're going to see in like very specialized silicon more like industrial enterprise like supercomputer applications before you see it on a consumer product but yeah i mean that technology has a tendency to trickle its way down to the consumer and i would certainly be into it you think that one would i doubt it yeah but you never know i mean a microprocessor in general started out as something that was not consumer grade so never say never that's what i've learned sure yeah i could also i so what i immediately jumped to was like diy pcs i feel like it might be a bit of a stretch there but maybe in like non-user not friendly to user repair devices right where it's kind of built into everything and it comes as a package i could see that being a thing um but yeah anyways let's let's scroll down a fair amount i think and talk about uh this which very likely won't happen but yeah um intel is in talks to buy global foundries for 30 billion dollars hey how traditional new ceo has been looking for ways to spend money apparently and as part of these 50 billion dollar plus price tag for his renaissance what intel is looking to buy global foundries um that's amazing if you've watched this show ever you probably know who they are they're fab um some of global foundry's major customers have included amd apple qualcomm uh zulenex asus cisco google lenovo they make a lot of stuff it's a pretty big deal it's interesting the most mind-blowing part of it though is global foundry's origin so global foundries was spun off back in 2009 from amd so this would effectively i mean okay there's 12 years in between and you know a lot of a lot of business dealings the the relationship between amd and global foundries has apparently soured somewhat over the last decade plus but this is effectively intel buying amd's fabs and global foundries currently serves amd which i'm sure you'd get into tons of legal problems if they tried to stop after they bought it so intel might own amd's fab but then intel has also said that they're going to explore the idea of utilizing their own fab capacity for third-party independent customers so yes maybe interesting when you're doing it when you're serving the people that are currently kind of destroying you competing with you yeah yeah well i mean samsung does it it's not like samsung has never produced an soc for apple who they compete with directly it's just that samsung's fab business is just a a different it's a separate business so if intel decided okay yeah we're just going to treat that as a completely separate business unit intel foundry services um maybe it's not that crazy i mean i'm sure if i'm amd i still just don't want to line intel's pockets in any way whatsoever to help them compete with me better but if it helps me compete better then maybe i do it anyway i i i don't know man i don't know it's pretty it's pretty rough um we've got another topic here also from anthony amd fidelityfx super resolution is officially open source uh anthony writes linus before you yell at me for putting in too many wan topics it's 4pm and nobody else is adding topics already pinged everyone else multiple times so here i am picking up the slack you're welcome all in caps [Music] amd's easy to implement upscaler has been officially added to their gpu open repository we found that fsr provides decent visual quality and performance in its ultra setting but ultimately does fall short of dlss digital foundry compared it to unreal engine's temporal aa upscaling algorithm and found that without the temporal element fsr did fall short however many games don't have access to upscalers that sophisticated and won't bother upscaling at all leaving it to the gpu to effectively stretch the image so fsr being open source means it's now freely available to developers and modders who want to take a crack at implementing it in games this open nature makes it more universally available because dlss relies on nvidia's tensor cores which you will only find in their 2000 and 3000 series gpus so with the source code released the community can also contribute patches and improve the design of the scalar which would be pretty cool allowing it to maybe reach the level of unreal engines taau except in any engine uh meanwhile microsoft is apparently working on a deep learning uh upscaling technology of their own that would be part of directx 12 at some point in the future so that would be platform agnostic as well but i have no idea how well it would run obviously microsoft is i don't know actually nothing's obvious with microsoft anymore maybe they wouldn't have that much interest in it running in on alternate platforms i'm not sure i don't know how would val find a way to hack it working in protons i i have no idea so um maybe deep learning powered super sampling won't be nvidia exclusive forever maybe fidelity effects ultimately doesn't end up mattering or maybe they just co-exist and it's just yet another tool in your tool belt for making your games look better at higher resolutions on lesser hardware yeah speaking of lesser hardware uh microsoft announces windows 365 it's probably not what you think it is not subscription windows uh in the sense that you just you have a computer and you pay a subscription to have windows it is not that um so azure virtual desktop which probably none of you know about unless you're really into that type of stuff has existed for a long time but this is is now for the everybody essentially uh it's a virtual private desktop in the cloud running windows 10 eventually windows 11. don't worry about that it is currently geared towards small businesses and i i don't think it says this in particular but i highly suspect education institutions it's going to be massive for because pretty much everyone there just needs like a browser and a word uh document editor um and that's amazing for this it's it's aimed at uh deployments of under 300 machines uh there's a management interface so you can see a clear overview of every virtual desktop you have access to which is actually kind of cool because you might have access to more than one i could see situations where that would make sense each virtual desktop has microsoft office if you have very low spec setups you get web versions which is fine it has edge it has one drive it has a ray of other software it's really fantastic for microsoft to get you in on this because you're probably gonna be using a lot of their first party tools um all virtual desktops come with 10 gigabit per second download speeds and four gigabit per second upload speeds um and the pricing is going to vary there are going to be a multitude of configurations one two four six and eight uh virtual cpu cores two four eight sixteen thirty two gigs of ram 64 128 256 and 5 12 gigs of storage um and apparently there's gonna be more pricing information and whatnot on august the second you could do some real work with some of those specs like for school we're not talking just like docs necessarily we're talking you could do you know some actual engineering work and stuff like that and there's plenty of room for them to expand the offering in the future maybe offer dedicated gpus or whatever the case may be uh amazon workspaces does offer similar configs but doesn't come with office citrix workspace offers lower prices but starts at 500 seats so microsoft is looking reasonably competitive here and you know what good for them and i'm glad that i don't have to pay a subscription for running windows on my desktop yay yeah in other news the specs for three of intel's next gen alder lake s cpus have been leaked thanks to a user on zhuhu these uh leaks are supposedly based on qualification samples which would mean they should be pretty close to finals so the i9 12 900 k i7 12 700 k and i5 12 600 k alder lake s is a big little style cpu so it's going to have 24 threads of which the big eight cores each have two threads with hyper threading and then the small eight cores do not have hyper threading uh the lower end chips are 12 core slash 20 thread and then 10 core slash 16 threads so okay so that one get only gets six of the low power cores on the i5 and then it's eight on both the i7 and the i9 oh man this is going to be hard to keep track of so the 12900k will be capable of boosting up to 5.3 gigahertz on one to two big cores and five gigahertz across all big cores and these chips are apparently going to have two tdps at pl1 and pl2 with all three rated at 125 watts and 228 watts respectively they are built in at 10 nanometer and the e-course will apparently boost much lower than the larger p cores but that's intentional because they aren't designed for performance they're designed for power saving these chips are gonna support ddr5 and pci express gen five and if these are truly the specs based on qualification samples um it's likely that this is this is it this is what you're getting so for better or for worse the performance looks interesting um adjusting for the qs clock speeds and looking at es benchmarks that we saw it's estimated that a the i9 will hit around 11 300 points would actually actually put it a thousand points ahead of the 5950x huh with that said it's not like amd's sitting still we are expecting refresh processors from amd we just don't know exactly what they're going to be amd may be skipping zen 3 plus and just releasing a zen 3 refresh of xt processors which could mean that intel has the performance crown back for one generation while amd waits to leapfrog them again how exciting is it to have intel and amd leapfrogging each other again it's cool that's what i love to see i don't even care who wins i just they both are trying yeah yeah that's the key i hope the software starts to try to and i know some of it definitely definitely does but i hope the consumer grade software starts to kind of catch up a little bit uh oh we've got some other interesting news so if you like the ltt underwear but you don't actually like the new designs we did a reprint of the old designs with the new supplier so we have two different three packs now we have the old design three pack right here and then we have the new design three pack right here so if you prefer the uh the stripy the stripy boys we did super cheap uh photoshop a super cheap photoshop job to turn the bands black so the new bands are just plain black like the new design ones instead of having the like linus tech tips all around it um just gives it kind of a cleaner look they still do have the little rubberized logo like that but they are now available yay all this stuff is taking way longer than i had hoped and i guess that's pretty much oh yeah netflix gaming is a thing uh i don't think there's really i don't think anyone knows really too much about it yeah yeah but netflix wants to get into gaming i think what netflix should get into is not just canceling every show that they start that's what netflix should get into if they want to build loyalty with sort of you know passionate fans who are into more niche shows because like i thought that was what they were good at but that's a whole that's a whole other that's a whole other conversation just like the super chats are a whole other conversation i managed to pick the thing this time so i've i've got them all um troy asks did you know about the nest adapter for two-wire thermostats uh yes i'm aware of that my issue with nest is that it's cloud-based and i want everything local controlled so that i get that nice responsiveness uh zultane says i'm a night shift worker in ontario just wanted to send a couple bucks say thanks for keeping me up during my ride to work and the first bit of work before the coffee kicks in hey no problem we got you uh floover job he says they should have called it the smp the mobile platform sure i'd be into that yeah um ooh stefan says will you guys please test some popular big games like gta 5 red dead redemption 2 running from a reasonably fast micro sd you could do it on a pc before the deck launches or or you could disable a couple of cores and do it on the a and neo which would actually probably give us a pretty darn good idea of what we're dealing with this thing hasn't oh snap does this thing not have a microsd slot i did not realize that advantage steam deck mind you it supports full-sized m.2s as long as they are i believe they have to be single-sided but that means you can go up to four terabytes like with your ssd but then you're spending eight hundred dollars uh if you go with like a wd black or something like that on a device that costs less than eight hundred dollars i don't know it's a whole other thing okay uh finley hey thanks finley thanks coldbud three uh lewis says iphones cost twelve hundred dollars and no one bats an eye thank you the steam deck being four hundred dollars is freaking incredible uh robert mail says can we get some spoilers on upcoming home automation collabs um i mean i already the only person that i have worked with so far i talked about in my previous video uh we're actually we're working through a lot of it jake man jake digs his teeth into projects like this he has already basically got the proof of concept for the per zone ac control with smart dampers working so we are planning to shoot a video i'm actually off next week but we're planning to shoot a video next week because i'm going to be at the new house all the time anyway jake's going to come over we're going to get the thermal camera out we're going to show where all the in-floor heating zones are which is going to be super cool we are going to show the proof of concept for how the smart dampers are going to work with honestly a really affordable implementation i'm i'm really excited about it stefan says joysticks are mechanical why not optical sensors that's a good question i mean it's been done with devices like a trackball before my concern would be that they might actually drift kind of like a joystick might um but then if i think you could probably solve that through software making sure that it kind of re-zeros every time it yeah how would it know to re-zero i don't know interesting um blake says consoles are sold at a loss they can't do that without the profit from games okay but you did overlook one small thing this will ship with steam os and valve will get plenty of profit from the games so i think the reason they wouldn't sell it at a loss is because valve ultimately doesn't care who makes the hardware they will get their 30 regardless of whether you buy a steam deck or an a neo or whatever else chris says might be a good price for the engineering but not for what it'll likely be used for imo which is random cheapo steam games most people who care about steam don't need a 400 tiny pc at this price so who is this for bad take chris oh you spent 20 dollars to send me such a bad take yeah you can't you can't you can't tell someone else sort of what like the games that they play are not they're random and cheapo and therefore not worthy of spending 400 on a device that lets them take them with them what if they love those games and besides you can play like anything about ps3 wii u and or excuse me we ps3 we and back on this thing that is an immense accessibility library that's an incredibly difficult statement to even make because you'd have to assess every single game that you can play on that device in order to make that statement that's really it's gonna be really hard uh like honestly i i i love this thing you know we should do a straw poll let's do straw poll um here we go so create a poll all right steam deck so we're gonna have a few different statuses pre-ordered thinking about it probably not never because you know your feeling that it's not right for you that's totally valid your admin rates are temporary but you're creating a free account okay yeah whatever i don't know okay let's send this link so you you have every right to not think that it's great for you but you can't just assume other people's other people's game preferences and like what they're passionate about right all right there you go let's get some results up in here ladies and gentlemen oh that's because that's not the normals trouble straw poll dot m e is the normal straw oops oh well whatever it's working it's probably fine yep so we've got a massive over 70 percent almost 75 percent of our audience saying pre-ordered or thinking about it uh okay those are okay so we're settling in at around 70 those are massive massive numbers massive numbers so chris you're not into it that's cool a lot of people are a lot of people play a lot of different kinds of games like hey check this out what's that oh we got what is that mario kart wii running on this thing and to be very clear if you're not into it we're not saying you should be yeah you don't have to be but if you're if you're the kind of person that you know bought a ds so what's that a couple hundred bucks so that you could play mario kart on the toilet well this is twice the price okay sure but has so much more functionality and it can totally do that like this runs basically flawlessly in dolphin emulator on this thing and this is very similar hardware two more course but my understanding is that dolphin emulator doesn't actually take advantage of many cores uh particularly anyway so got my fps counter up in the corner you guys probably can't see that but it is locked at 60 sort of actually it dips down to like 58 56. you'll hit 50 during like a loading screen or whatever something like that but it goes ladies and gentlemen it goes you can see my uh my lights man it gets so bright here i'm trying to remember the buttons for this whoops there's your problem where's my jump i could have sworn jump was you know what i might have screwed up my key bindings i have another emulator open in the background i have a snes emulator open in the background so i think that's probably the problem and the gap between something like this and a no backlight original gameboy um which i know none of them had backlights i'm just clarifying because that was a big thing the the road trip experience gap between between the no backlight original gameboy and this is just absolutely incredible oh for sure absolutely for sure bud sorry i'm just gonna make sure i don't lose my progress in super mario rpg make sure i close that properly all right so i was just in the middle of a fight so i hadn't saved uh oh oh whoa i missed something whoa anthony pointed out the a neo has vega graphics and the steam deck has rdna 2 graphics so in terms of gpu i would expect the steam deck to be significantly more powerful while cpu on the anio might be a touch better um but we don't know it would only be for applications that will really take advantage of those extra cores mal says the australians got shortchanged again there's no way to pre-order here we still haven't gotten the valve index yeah that's real frustrating i mean i went through that with the index the only way i was able to get it was by having uh john our writer for tech quickie order it and then ship it to me and then when i had a problem with it valve gave me a really hard time about the fact that i was canadian and i had a u.s product um profits business guru says i think some people don't appreciate the value of good hardware good stuff costs money yeah 100 totally does valve says the biggest thing is the deck allows for third-party apps so if you install retroarch you'll have one of the best portable emulation rigs money can buy that's where the value is for me yeah 100 100 uh psp 1 so says thoughts on the 1280 by 860 hertz yeah yeah i love 16 by 10 just like you but i wish that it was at least possible to unlock a higher refresh rate even if it does kind of crush the battery uh cross coast says imagine saying steam deck with an aussie accent okay that cost 20 australian dollars to send me that message uh presley says i know you don't actually do super chats but i'm always working during the show so i never get to watch live but it's always the highlight of my night slash end of week after work just wanted to say thanks lttstore.com hey thanks presley appreciate you fam joey says should i buy it right away or wait like a year until it's proven to be really good slash bad well if you wait a year valve might have just discontinued it so uh i'm just saying it's very true just saying given their track record that's a very good yeah you want to buy a steam link son you want to buy uh you want to buy a steam controller uh one thing i will give them credit for they still work that's fair that's true they they did they did do that thing uh is mobe why did you build an alternate video platform called floatplane then neglect to put the android app on alternate app stores like f droid i confess it had never occurred to me to put it on there why wouldn't you just get it on the google play store am i missing something i mean you could decide literally never had that request yeah yep right yep i mean cool you could just go to uh what's one of the trusted apk sites is apk pure okay i don't know the point is just go find a trusted apk site i'm sure like xda developers can help guide you there and download the apk and sideload it hey that's android for you right um yeah i am very excited about side loading apps in windows 11 directly instead of having to use some emulator stuff but that's a totally different thing this is great edward bratton says how it started bitcoin 62 000 how it's going now please buy these chinese gpus we threw on the floor yeah pretty much uh vince asked will you be doing separate videos for each room upgrade of your new house or will you just do another house tour once it's all done there will be videos the next one is going to be me and jake going through proof of concept for the hvac i'm trying to get like water cooled solar panels there will be a video about that if i pull it off um i want to do obvi probably a couple videos about the home theater like i'm gonna be milking it for content because it's something that i'm gonna be spending a lot of my time on over the coming months anyway so i might as well be making videos about it and it's also an opportunity to explore tech that i otherwise wouldn't really have access to we can't get samples of everything so if i'm buying stuff i'm definitely going to want to get more value out of it and make a video out of it um all right js2k says any chance we might see more ltt crew faces in main ltt videos maybe i'm forgetting appearances but lately i'm kind of missing riley james madison sarah etc well i was on vacation last week and i'm on vacation again this coming week so definitely some videos got shot without me you just gotta wait for them to show up also if you're on floatplane you'll get exclusive behind the scenes interviews with people and all that kind of stuff as well ah peter says the steam deck price is amazing though if any company could slash would take a big hit on the cost it would be valve since they still take their 20 to 30 percent absolutely other pc makers do not have that luxury all right i think that is pretty much it for the show today thank you so much just to make a quick comment on that one you see fairly often consoles take a pricing hit because they want to make money on peripherals they want to make money on game sales they want to make money on whatever else um but that's kind of tough to do like elinus just said with traditional pc sales because they don't have the ability to do those things so they need to make their money off the original sale they gaben trying to be really price competitive on this is probably because what linus is saying earlier um this is going to make it very valuable for certain people to play certain games and and someone brought up in floatplane chat right after linus said that that an extremely common purchase for people that bought a switch were games they've played before yeah they just bought a cartridge for the switch and if you don't own a certain game on steam because you're not gonna play it at your desktop this will very likely drive sales for those types oh for sure for sure i will they are going to get value out of this after it's sold is what i'm trying to say i will buy games that i otherwise wouldn't have bought on steam like there's uh there's a final fantasy 6 and 5 remake coming that honestly i'm just i'm not going to sit on my couch at my tv or at my desktop and play those games it's just not going to happen on here a whole other ball of wax yeah whole other ball of wax definitely all right thanks for tuning in to the show this week ladies and gentlemen we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye um [Music] you

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Published: Sat Jul 17 2021