The Most Controversial Catholic Teachings | The Catholic Talk Show

hey everybody welcome back to another episode of the Catholic Talk Show today we're going to be looking at difficult Catholic beliefs yeah no one ever said being a Catholic was easy and what we're going to do today is unpack some of the more difficult parts of Catholicism that society and maybe your conscience struggles with this show is not for Wimpy [Music] [Applause] [Music] hearts [Music] all right cool man good to be in the studio with you be back yeah we uh yeah this is going to be a hard conversation yeah you know there's a lot about Catholicism you know one of the things that I think people perceive about Catholicism is there's a lot of rules there's a lot of beliefs and there's a lot of nuance to those beliefs and a lot of those beliefs really fly in the face of what our society tells us um what your maybe your bi tells you to do um and these are the things that I think Catholics commonly struggle with so we're going to go over those and just discuss you know some of these hard beliefs like you know contraception premar premarital sex divorce is Hell empty some of these things that I think more of us out there struggle with yeah yeah and and these are things that we hear a lot you know um in the news and the the pope said this the pope said that these are also Hot Topics you that's right so now before we get into it I just want to make sure everyone go to Catholic talk show.com you can subscribe to us and every uh platform there uh if you're watching on YouTube click the like And subscribe button right now that really helps us grow the show and helps us to reach more people um and if you ever want to consider us um consider supporting us financially go to Catholic show.com patreon and you get all kinds of great gear in thanks for uh your support so yeah let's jump into this Ryan so here's one I think which one we doing first let's jump into this the concept of Hell in general I think that is the most fundamental one that people struggle with is that why would a loving God send people to hell why would a loving God create people and know that they was going to go to hell if God knows everything you know how does Hell fit into the picture of mercy and how do we um how do we reconcile that with the image of a loving God who would go to the depths of the Earth for us yeah I mean I just think about like all the times like I I expected something to be a certain way with you know a reasonable thought and then I would then I would be introduced to something a little bit more complex about it maybe a little bit more substantial and then my mind was changed and so like this has happened to me several times just in normal normal conversations that I've had with people normal approaches that I thought about lawyers or I thought about dentists like just my dentist alone like when I was a kid he was like really short and he hurt me all the time and I never went to a dentist I don't think that was a dentist I think that was a leprechaun who was attacking you there there have been conversations about that yeah yeah so like when I'm when I'm thinking it's hell exists it's like the perspective of hell you're insinuating that that God himself has a mean tendency somewhere or like somewhere inside of of God's you know all knowing he he's got some Revenge Factor right you know what if he does what if I mean you know vengeance is the Lord right I mean what if there is some element to that and we just can't reconcile that because we're afraid of his his his Justice right but also you know it's been often said so many times that like God doesn't really send people to hell we choose to separate ourselves from him and hell is the state of us separating oursel from him and that's God respecting our free choice yeah it all all for this it all comes down to the to the love that God has shown Us in his creation to give us a will to choose him and not forced to be loving to him and and not fored to live this life this mystical life with him in the body of Christ yeah forced love is rape God's not a rapist I mean if God just showed up right now you know throwing lightning bolts at us we like yeah okay God you exist and I have no choice in the matter and it's just you'd be faced with the overwhelming reality of God I mean even to his best friend Moses he wouldn't even completely show himself because it's too much right right yeah yeah I mean the existence of hell is is the SE it's it's the separation of uh of you with God and and what we don't factor into all this is God's mercy um his kindness and then the the capacity that he'll always be present to us he'll always be leading us he'll always be guiding us and he and he'll be merciful to us so the the rejection of God the use of the will to reject God and then coincidentally be in hell you know you could you could see some of it just here on Earth you can see people choosing to live lives that put them into a hell so to speak so there's already like a glimpse of it just like there's a glimpse of heaven with you know the child and you know all these different things you know and so like there's still a glimpse of of hell you know so what do you think about like the debate around like say like the position that Bishop Barett has talked about that there's a reasonable hope that hell's empty is there a reasonable hope that there's no one in hell yeah this has been the cause of a lot of controversy mercy and again you know what did he actually say he said it's a re it's reasonable to hope that all people will be with God in heaven I think he said I think so yeah now what I go back is to and I and I say this all the time and what is my position on it I I'll tell you but before you know the people that take this hard line and they're attacking him online and all this blah blah blah you know the the these these people were praying the Rosary every day on their Channel and in the rosary what is the Fatima prayer yeah what is it oh my Jesus forgive us our sins and Lead All Souls to Heaven especially especially those mercy so that that right there signifies that Mary herself has Hope Has hope for all that now yeah that's true that's a good that's a great Point Mary herself has hope that all Souls well she's offer she's giving it to us as a prayer so these well so why would she she wouldn't give us something that there's no chance of right I mean possibly I don't know if if there's a prayer that was delivered to the kids at Fatima you know it's coming from from a pretty good source now does that mean that hell is no ites it doesn't that doesn't mean that at all but to hope for it right yeah that's reasonable right Mary I hope I hope no one goes to hell I don't want anyone to go to hell yeah I mean do I think people go to hell probably practical side of it there's a practical side of it but then we're putting limits on God's mercy because you know in in the um the Diaries of sister fosa she she wrote uh from The Words of Christ that the worst sinner on the planet the worst sinner right now the person who has done the worst to somebody to themselves to other people is most entitled to his Mercy to my Mercy yeah most entitled it's just an equivocation right it's like look the worst guy in World Order of like hey we go to the person who needs it the most first like it's a triage well yeah but it's just like this guy this is God saying I I will pour out my Mercy on this person if they turn to me right so I mean you know is there proof that is that proof no it's just the hope right it's and again you got to go back to what he said is it reasonable to Hope well based on Mary and God's infinite Mercy right it was jesus' prayer that none may be lost you know I I hope I win the lottery I don't play the I don't play tickets but like I hope I win it right you know but like you know there's some practical sides yeah and I think that that whole conversation with Bishop Aon was really more um Scholastic right it was a thought exercise I don't think that he was saying that this is a definitive teaching and I think if you pressed Bishop Aaron he'd say yeah the scripture is clear that there's a hell yeah Jesus talks about hell he talks about GNA that there'll be much nashing and wailing of teeth but also is there a reasonable hope that God's mercy can you know eventually did it so and it's and it's the it's the modality of communication that's the the the victimizer here mhm you know so let let's move on to another hard teaching so I guess going well from Hell well what sends people to hell and the the one of the hard teachings I think a lot of people have is extra elesium nullis Salis which is outside of the church none are saved you know is a good Lutheran saved is a nice Buddhist guy who does great things for Humanity and gives himself saved is a Muslim who welcomes their neighbors and treats people with dignity respect and and love are they saved or is it like the church always held that outside of the church none are saved what's your thoughts there well it's how again it's how you look at what the mystical Body of Christ is the church if you put limitations on it like you would put on a human organization then what you would find is that you would you could get on one side or the other right and then so the guys that are self-righteous will be like no it's just the church and then the guys over here just like no man it's like so the scripture over here but if you look at his church the church is Jesus Christ himself so there is no salvation through Jesus Christ himself he established his church no there only salvation through Jesus Christ himself right yeah you said there is no oh sorry yeah no but you're not going to hell GL corre that yeah okay so you know so you look at this mystical Body of Christ his his I mean it it's a it's a it's in the cosmos it's it's everywhere it pervades everything so Jesus Christ is there yes he established a church and and everything flows deeply personally through his love for us does that mean when Christ goes to the Buddhist guy after he dies and he's like Yo dude it was me the whole time and he's like dang man I got that wrong man okay I love you bro it it's still Christ exercising his authority you know the same Authority that he generated to the church yep um and I don't know if I'm saying the right answer here you're just saying what's my position on these are hard teachings and so I'm not that smart and so you've got to like give me a little bit of leeway here on some of this yeah I you know it it was like okay so if there is a church and there is clearly people who are in and out of it through baptism through the sacraments of initiation through excommunication they are explicitly outside of the church if that doesn't have any meaning then to hell with it well it does have meeting but like if there isn't anything binding to that then why bother at all right so there has to be but I see I your point that you're making is like okay Buddhist guy goes to heaven he sees Jesus say oh it was you all the time let me join your church here at the 11th hour right I think that's a good way of looking at God's mercy and Christ's judgment seat right yeah but I think to go in the opposite direction it's to say then why bother being in any church right right that's that's always been the conundrum for me is like if it if it's not necessary then it's it's irrelevant right yeah unnecessary things are Irrelevant in the most part they're optional they're something that you could decide on now I would say the Church of antiquity the church fathers the Church of the Middle Ages the church up until maybe 100 years ago really believed if you were outside of the church you were going to hell like I mean you had the Holy Roman Emperor who was excommunicated the most powerful man in Europe he went out and he's like oh no I'm EX communicated he went out kned in the snow and said please lift this excommunication cuz I don't want to go to H hockey sticks over this temporal thing so they truly believe that outside of the church there was no salvation right yeah yeah I'm I'm just saying the church is it we have a church here on Earth we have you know Christ himself who is the the the Cornerstone that it's it's bigger than just the institution itself like we have to account for God's mercy we have to account for the things that he says in scriptures I my ways are above your ways so we we know what we know now we put our human and Theological uh you know expression on it but at the end of the de at the end of the day you know I I believe that if there's well it's like in Vatican 2 say says if you follow your conscience you'll meet your creator right somewhere in in Vatican 2 documents that's what said and so yeah I think good holy men and women who are outside of the church that have never been introduced to the church I mean what about all the time where where the western civilization was being you know colonized if you want to say it or however you know settled right I mean these are all people that they were never exposed to the church Invincible that's called Invincible ignorance right yeah does some does a cave man go to hell yeah because you never heard of Jesus does a dude living in you know 12th century Peru he's just up there chilling you know plowing potatoes and whatever and he's just going to hell cuz no one's ever told him about it like those are real questions that are difficult to determine and would a just God send you know Cino the the Villager who' never heard of Jesus to hell just for the circumstances of his existence right I can't I I can't imagine there's no way there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff surrounding this so then why is the church necessary the church is necessary because it it was it was founded by Jesus to to carry on and complete his life on Earth with the people he calls to be one with himh and then and then to to eventually use it as a means to get us to a place where we're with him forever y right I mean like that's that's literally what it is uh it's the normative way like hey look there's a lot of different ways to drive into downtown New York right there's a lot of different Bridges some and you could probably also walk and swim cross the Hudson right that's a pretty stupid way to do it but you could yeah so there's you know I think that's the the concept is that the church is the the straight and narrow path to you know following the teachings of Christ and salvation it's the highway it's the highway yeah yeah all these are just little roads that eventually you know have to meet up with that Highway at some point right so then should we be more gracious to those outside of Catholicism well you probably not you know that's that's not your demeanor it's not who you are I'm asking the question Ryan I'm asking for counsel dude I think it's Mercy man you just sh him mercy and you know like you would anybody on the street I don't think it changes anything you know so okay let's let's move on to another difficult one and this is one that I think in today's day and age is is a really difficult one for people to accept this premar premarital or extramarital sex right yeah like we live in a hookup culture right I mean you can just go on Tinder and get yourself whatever you want at any time the church has always been against that but Society seems to have really rejected that out of hand even cohabitation like well look you know before you're married you should live together to see how it works like and the church is vociferously against that too you know what your thoughts there well I do think it's it's difficult right I mean it's not easy to do when you love somebody um but again you have to look at like what is the what is the benefit right like my first wife we we got married outside the Catholic church because that priest told me that we were living in sin and we just went to the next place but what he was doing was trying to help me because we were living in sin we had a sinful marriage like everything about it it was horrible and a year yeah he was right so like but it but hard for people and I get it and that's why I think marriage formation and helping people understand like what the church actually teaches about it and why you know the other thing about our society is is that we don't want to give up anything right I mean we want to eat what we want when we want we want to watch what we want when we want you're ready for sex you just throw up the app like nobody tells anybody what to do they're all just doing whatever they want and and they're they're taking they're taking it in in ordinate amounts of course you know we're all doing that so but but you look at what the church teaches about sex and we'll get into you know contraception and all that kind of stuff it's like it's it's this is all natural all these things are it's it's actually very normal to court a woman yeah and and not rely on how she performs in the bed with you as a means of of of deciding whether or not she's worthy of the Ring now you know like all this stuff is just like now it's just you know you're okay now I'm going to marry you now yeah you know yeah yeah you're you're a real uh I really love you you proved it you you've earned this ring I you know and I think that just shows well at least from a male side a a fundamental lack of respect that you want to sample the goods first and you're treating a woman then like a Mercantile good like a like a a consumable like a commodity instead of somebody to be loved protected and brought into your into your to your life right right and fathers are to blame too they just think you know a lot of times when you look at the fatherless culture that we have and you know like I can think of three or four women that are in my wife's life in relationship to her that have had awful awful men in their lives but at no point did the father step in as the man who is giving this giving her away away and get given two flying Jacks about this guy right it's like oh this is what you want to do okay great bro you need you need to check this dude out right yeah like you need to do your diligence and check this dude out I mean would you let one of your daughters just marry some dude she just brings home absolutely she brings home snake and snake's like hey what's up Mr D I'm marrying your daughter like the hell you are you aren't I'm not going to be there right you know and I and I've have instilled this in my my oldest daughter she understands it I show her what happens when men aren't involved yeah she sees it yeah I know I've seen you telling her about that last night yeah yeah you know what but the thing is is it's out of love like she sees that I love her and she's receiving it that I'm protecting her I'm protecting her from harm that's my job yep you know that's my job to teach her and to to protect her right and to love her MH sometimes love doesn't look like what you think it does you know know but just looking at extramarital sex now and the way that people can use a hookup apps and dating apps just like ordering the ordering sex like it's GrubHub right look at the impact that that has on Society on people's fragility on people's very essence I mean it's destroying lives it's destroying men it's destroying women it's destroying relationships it's destroying our culture it's destroying the the the right that children have to two parents children have a right to two parents and if you look at any of these studies if you look at any of the statistics couples who cohabitate and have sex before marriage their marriages end at a dis proportionately much higher rate than those people who follow the advice and the teaching of the church on this matter yeah so I think the proof is in the is in the pudding also of that there is a real benefit to a proper discernment yeah and the thing like the church teaches sex is a an awesome thing that's undertaken by two people that have performed vows before they even engage in this because it's a Jour it's a journey that you're both going to take in life it's not it's not like self-gratification every day over and over it's a journey of intimacy that you take with your wife it's beautiful and when it's within the vows and underneath and blessed by the church it takes on a form that's way better than you know all this other stff highest calling order of what it's supposed to be yeah um I think this next one's kind of like that and kind of flows from the same cultural wound and that's uh contraception and abortion now you know abortion I I think we've talked on a lot of episodes about you know just the absolute horror of abortion you know you're ending a life um you're um creating a great Act of barbarism against the most vulnerable um you're creating deep psychological wounds in women right and deep emotional wounds that they often don't ever recover from you're creating shame in women and you're also giving men a free past to be able to treat women like objects of lust and gratification instead of something to be protected right I mean that's right out of uh humanite right mhm so I think you know we've really discussed that point but we haven't talked as much about contraception and contraception produces those same results as the much more apparently barbarous Act of abortion but it seems so much more innocuous it's like well isn't it better just to not have a baby all that you have to abort just take a pill and it's all cool right I mean you know married couples we don't want kids just want to be able to travel so we just use contraception but even like you know even scientifically being on the pill causes incredibly High rates of suicide among women it creates all kinds of health problems it is a carcinogen that causes cancer in women it um causes you know contraceptive couples uh it causes again the divorce rates are astronomically higher than those who do not practice it and even in you know I think ostensibly people take contraception so they can have more sex without the risk of being the consequences they don't want the consequence but if you look at all the studies couples who do not practice contraception have more and better sex than the ones that practice contraception it's such a well it's the it's the intent of how you're engaging in it as a couple yeah and so like when you're engaging it it's like hey we're on this journey to intimacy that the part part of it is the fact that you could have a kid part of the intimacy of sex is that oh boy we could have a kid and I got to be honest with you kids are not easy I have seven of them yeah they're difficult I sometimes my wife told me she's pregnant I'm like I thought we did this right you know like so you lied to me markat you're dead to me you know eventually you get around you're like oh boy what a ride we on but like you you're taking out a slice of the pizza and then you're you're going to eat it for dinner and you're missing parts of it that's all I mean the church wants all of it to be there you know because that's the that's where fruit is born in the relationship between a man and a woman is is in that that intimacy that you have and so now you've got the introduction of something that takes out all of that intimacy and and the only thing that you can rely on is that you can pleasure yourself with each other and not have a a baby right that's literally what you're doing and and that's why you see all these families fractured is because well gosh I could just give this to any girl yeah why not yeah I mean what what even matters here I'm not having a kid with her yeah and the second that she doesn't feel intimate with me well I deserve to have my intimacy fulfilled with somebody else yeah so then you you're divorcing you know the whole concept of why you have intimacy which is to make a man and a woman in Union together and to become one flesh it's not to just you know get off and have your gratification well that's unfortunately that's what a lot of people are taught you know you hope the grace of God presents a woman to you that you feel this need to protect this need to love and guide in these in these right manners in these directions you know but a lot of lot of marriages are just like you know the men are just not they're just not present in the way that they should be you know one of the things that I see causing massive societal damage is and it's it's centered around sex but it's in a sneaky way you see the rise of transgenderism you see the rise of of um people modifying their body of AG genderism or of all these different sexualities of of homosexual homosexuality lesbians Etc and these are all non normative and non um I guess uh not according to the biological plan both scientifically of what human beings should do and and you know theologically of God how God created us and then you see these people and often times I I hope I'm not saying something offensive often times I feel like these people feel like they are not attractive to the other sex so that they go down this other road because they're so deeply wounded by their feeling of not being attractive so that they then radically change their appearance they radically try to find anywhere where they fit in and feel accepted and feel wanted cuz ultimately everyone wants to feel wanted and everyone wants to feel picked everyone wants to feel like they're special to somebody these communities and these alternate Lifestyles allow people to feel like that and I understand that motivation these people want to be loved that is what people are made they are made to love God and love each other right and when they feel unloved they're going to try to find it anywhere they can but it's because sexuality is so rampantly disordered that everyone thinks that unless they are sexy unless they are desirable by societal standards if they are not that then they have no value and if you feel like you have no value you'll find any way to attach value and attention to yourself and that's why I'm seeing so many of these broken people thinking that if they could have just been loved for who they are like do you do you have to like go look at some pictures from like the 1800s like these marriage photos like these aren't good-looking people they're married and you know what they probably had a nice life together and they weren't thinking well you know I met this girl over at the Village Market and you know she's going to provide seven kids and she comes from a good family she's not a looker but I love her anyway right but now if you're not beautiful and like you have like this disp disproportionate um hotness scale everyone wants to marry you know you're a five but you want to marry a nine and nothing less will do right and then you look at somebody who would be a great companion someone who would love you for life but they're not societally the most they don't give you the attention that you're Desiring from you have all these people feeling rejected by the other sex so that's why Society is taking sex in so many different directions because it's not straightforward anymore yeah you know yeah and then you know the other thing too with the a lot of the suicidal ideations come from the what's being projected as Beauty right you know and they're looking at that and they're going well I'm not that so I must not be beautiful exactly instead their freaking Dad should be loving them like I mean gosh is it hard to do we should have a society where look you know you have value beyond your skin cuz I trust me everyone I've ever seen they get old and they get less beautiful that's just the that's just the nature of Life man that's everything that's every animal every person you know and not every flower stays like it's Spring right yeah and that's causes so much damage yeah it does you know that also kind of even flows into let's talking about people living um as things that they're not right there's also the movement I think that kind of flows from this as well is women in the priesthood you know it's again women I think a lot of times in the church saying we are not valued enough we're not respected enough and the only way that we will get our True Justice is that if we can assimilate into where we see the power is is in the priesthood so we should be priests women should be priests and the church has consistently taught that that is just not an option yeah and and it's a lot of that comes from wounds you know of uh women uh being harmed um a lot of it comes from a sense of justice that's not lined up with the the truth of what the church teaches and why she teaches that I think with women in the priesthood you know it's it's been this way for forever you know and uh there are women in the church that are that literally have steered like Mary herself the greatest Saint Queen of Heaven the greatest saint but I mean like talk about a beautiful a a a beautiful powerful like never was it known that any body who fled to their protection was left uned like think about that promise right okay sorry that's a pretty pretty hefty person in christom it's amazing then you've got like Teresa of Avala like moving the pope to Rome so there are women that have contributed massive H being in Katherine of Sienna yeah uh yes Katherine yeah St bernardet we went to Lords you know like I mean she's a child God chooses who who he wants wants to to to you know help people reach him you know I think a good biblical proof for this is that Jesus Incorporated women into his followers in a way that would have been likely scandalous in first first century Judea people are like dude he eats with women and tax collectors like because like tax collectors and Sinners and women are all one category right they're like I can't believe this guy so he would have Incorporated women into his followers even to the point Mary Magdalene was the one who went and found the empty tomb and proclaimed the resurrection to the apostles yeah he had every opportunity every opportunity Jesus himself to on the Last Supper incorporate women into the priesthood he didn't yeah so the church because of that because Jesus did not do that the church has always taught that it has no right to go against that right right there's yeah and the church is very uh protects divine revelation I think a lot of people don't look at that scripture passage in that way like a lot of the women are like well he maybe he could have most of them don't even know that there was an ordination going on there right like that this this was the institution of the Eucharist and how it played into all of the the Old Testament and the the rituals and the worship you know and so it doesn't even come through the the consummation of facts and thoughts and opinions it's just kind of like desire for power do you ever have you ever seen a woman priest who like besides the fact that she wants to pre be a priest is super Orthodox and every other subject yeah that doesn't happen they're always like we want women priests we want gay marriage in the churches we want to be able to recognize abortion as an okay thing to do and you know they're activists they're activist they're not they're not preachers yeah yeah I was in I was in Idaho one time hold on there can be great women preachers oh yeah women can be great preachers just not within the context of the mass not within the context of the priesthood oh yeah youen lurgical right yeah women can go out I mean I've heard some amazing life-changing talks written and spoken by women me too women have a place in the church women speaking of women on the on contraception Janet Smith that was she's amazing the work that she's done I don't know her she's a um yeah she worked at a seminary in Detroit and she's done contraception why not way back when we were listening to CDs she helped me uh understand that okay um a l and and still around today it's just really really awesome the way she presents all that stuff so yeah I mean life-changing stuff come from women it's just a lurgical you know bond that Christ has and Shar particular office yeah you know and that's not to say that women don't and shouldn't have important roles within the church within the hierarchy like you know you see the pope now he's appointing women to these different councils and to these you know that's even been Flo that there could be a woman Cardinal no there's no rule that a cardinal has to be a priest even it's just an Advisory Board I don't know about that I think that's taken a little bit too far for the Optics but incorporating more women into roles of leadership is not a bad thing it's not destroying the hierarchy it's augmenting it but also women priesthood is a is not a thing it's a it's that is a detrimental thing because it Al fundamentally alters and changes the character of the priesthood yeah and there's a there's a sense in the world today at least in the western American culture of hiring women you know or hiring gay or hiring whatever and it's just like the the quality of the work that they do isn't even like a value anymore right it's like it like just their just their gender or their race or whatever is the the the literally the thing that gets you the job and so putting women in places of leadership absolutely yes qualifications are kind of important you know like you have to you have to straddle both lines you know how I know the wage Gap isn't true oh cuz if the wage Gap was true because if you were getting equal if they were paying less for the same amount of work everyone would just hire woman yeah because they'd be like dude I get 12% discount in every hire that sounds like a great deal business practices and pragmatic realities show me that that's not the true true case right so that's just a spirit of the world you know manifesting itself in the in the I like what you said that they're activists right they are activists yeah um oh I was going to tell you the Idaho story so I was going to Idaho was that a ski thing or whatever and I went to this mass and like the I couldn't tell which I could I was like is this lady doing the mass like she was wearing a white robe and this priest was like I want to say the priest was before her she was the last one coming in so it's like the posture of everything was that she was the priest and then this guy was just doing the MK was it like a Liturgy of the word or something no it was mass yeah it was weird and idah weird Sun Valley idah yeah it was really strange yeah strange things go on up there in Idaho yeah was weird um here's a couple more now these ones are more I guess doctrinal I think some of the ones that we've talked about right now are very general societal I think these ones are kind of more specific to Catholicism so the Primacy of the Pope right that the that we actually have a pope that's hard for a lot of people to accept what what is the is the pope God is the pope speak directly for Jesus you know I mean why do we have why do I care what the Pope says about any particular issue at all even even let's say in eastern Catholicism sure the pope is a primate but why is he the most important primate even if he has a a ceremonial role as the first among equals still there's jurisdiction in all these individual you know primacies and these different Seas Why is the Pope is this just the vestiges of a medieval power grab or is there something really to this you know having a pope yeah no I mean it's the it's we've talked about this in a lot of different dynamics of it just like with protestantism and you know I don't I don't I never really run into this being a problem with Catholics it's usually like Protestants or you know people that have a problem with authority there wasn't a problem when it was jp2 or BCT was Pope you got this is now becoming a problem cuz people are like do I really have to listen to Francis because the people who are listening to every little word yeah are the ones who typically are more conservative which is really not lining up with Francis right so now it's like now people who before would have been Mega papists are like right do we really what's up with this guy what's up with this do we have we as Catholics don't have to follow everything the Pope says right um but I think it's really clear that I mean was Peter the most beloved Apostle no that was John was Peter the first Apostle no that was Andrew was Peter the one who led the church in Jerusalem no that was James was Peter the most of anything no he's he actually gave me a lot of Hope yeah Peter wasn't the he failed a lot yeah poured his heart into everything the only thing that he was first at was Jesus saying you're the rock upon you I will found my church and through him you know we have lus and cus and adus you know and you could see in the early church people going to Rome and asking for rulings asking for adjudication on issues right I mean from the very earliest church you can see Rome's places as Primacy even when St John who was one of the Apostles was still alive and you can go and ask St John who was Jesus's most beloved Apostle you can just cruise over to Greece and say hey J John can we get a rolling on this I mean you knew Jesus personally you ate bread with the guy they didn't do that they went to Clement who was a successor of Peter so like that right there to me practically speaking says the early church understood the role of the bishop of Rome as the successor and the prince of the Apostles and the Vicor of Christ and the head of the church on the earth I think that was pretty evident yeah and it it has has never changed and you know everybody likes the lineage of the the royal family but how about the lineage of the priesthood going all the way back to this moment where Christ instituted the Eucharist to those Apostles like if you think about that just as a just on a human level like how impossible that is sure to to keep intact for two Millennium you know like this order this order of pre is it's it's not just like hey no like you know somebody's got to you know provide this function it's like hey no like this is like one of the greatest human Supernatural achievements stories of on the planet yeah right so I mean every priest can be traced back to Peter and these original Apostles that's right now do you know what's not a hard teaching click and subscribe or something close that's that too it's not hard to click and subscribe right now but it's also not hard to go to Catholic Talk show.com Hollow to download the number one Catholic prayer app that's pretty easy thing as a matter of fact there's nothing hard about it it sure is and it's enriched my life and my wife's life my children's life for years so I'm I'm just really grateful for the work they're doing over there I mean I'm seeing them everywhere now in the Super Bowl 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Sol of script Torah that you know In America which is founded as a Protestant country that is so deeply ingrained in their society it's so vociferously put that if it's not in the Bible you know if you can't say chapter and verse that there has no Authority no precedent and no value as a teaching um that's one of the biggest challenges I think between Catholics and non-catholics yeah and and it's uh it the the the the case for it just doesn't make any sense when you look at it in in a broader sense of that you're using a you're saying that that we're not right you're protesting our church but you're using the book that was put together at a council that we've preserved for over 9 12 15 centuries before yeah the printing press and then now all of a sudden you know you could just kind of pick it up and then call it your own the other thing too is the amount of translations now just in just in English is mindboggling sure and it's there's people literally changing the Bible yeah 100% so to suit what they to suit what they need but like one of the thing I again I think it's just a it's a self-defeating principle nowhere in the Bible does it say only the Bible is your guide in the spiritual life but I think it provides an easy crutch for self-interpretation because everybody who says Bible alone has things that aren't in the Bible that they follow like where's the trinity in the Bible right where's the teaching against nuclear bombs where's the teaching against you know running someone over the car there's no such thing as a car where why wasn't Jesus using a Bible yeah why where is Jesus's Bible Well he was using the Old Testament scripture okay so then is only the Old Testament valid for teaching what about the first 400 years of Christianity where there was no such thing as a Bible bunch of letters going around there a bunch of letters and there's bunch of letters that are in sometimes out were those were the first 400 years of Christianity completely doomed to have no guide and where the first 1500 years of Christianity doomed to be all going to hell because they didn't have Pastor Jim Bob's interpretation yeah you know did it only now become reasonable to achieve and to uh be saved through Grace after the Protestant Reformation was no one saved before then because they're following what every Christian ever thought it's just such a yeah non wellth thought out argument that they stick to so hard yeah you know yeah I mean it's you know it is what it is at the end of the day you know just like we were talking earlier it's just like people are going to they're just going to believe what they want to believe and find comfort in it and some people will never look outside the door you know it's like Plato's Cave yeah you know so you know they they they'll point to Second Timothy that all scriptures God breathed and useful for teaching okay I agree Catholics agree we read the Bible at every single Mass um there's Bible studies at every single Catholic Church the biggest podcast in the world is a Catholic Bible study we read the Bible we believe everything in the Bible we believe that scripture is God breathed useful for teaching rebuking and correcting and training in righteousness we believe that but we also I will give anybody $100 right now if they can show me one verse that says only the Bible is your guide in scripture it's just not there right so that's the teaching that the Bible alone is your guide is in not finding the Bible that's such a such a a vexing thing like that's a that's a a paradox right yeah you know it's like the Luther Paradox it's obvious it seems pretty obvious to me so Ryan this was a episode about hard teaching but I don't think this was a hard episode to do man this you know some of it's hard you know some of it's we've already worked through but it's we all have to work through this stuff ourselves so if I want you guys any of these teachings that we missed what other hard teachings do you think we 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Channel: The Catholic Talk Show

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Keywords: Catholic, Catholic Podcast, Catholic Talk Show, Ryan Scheel, Ryan DellaCrosse, Father Rich Pagano, Catholic Radio, Catholic TV, Catholic Show, Matt Fradd, Mike Schmitz, Robert Barron, Catholic Answers, Catholic Stuff You Should Know, Bishop Barron, Breaking In The Habit

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Length: 47min 16sec (2836 seconds)

Published: Mon Mar 25 2024