The Importance of Luke Skywalker

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šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 1 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/AutoModerator šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

I've watched this guys vids in the past. Hes criminally underrated

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 32 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/GrimValor8 šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

The whole channel is truly amazing! From the Appreciation of Jar Jar Binks to the Star Wars in the Upside Down in TESB, it's really well crafted. I literally cried during this episode. He doesn't appear to be a massive fan of the sequels, so I'm interested in what he has to say about them.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 24 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/criticalobservant66 šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

Idk I'm pretty sure George Lucas was straightforward about how Luke isn't a different kind of hero. Its the classic epic format just different environment. OT Luke is meant to be a very cookie cutter hero.

Edit: watched the video, was proven wrong. My take only holds up to the first movie. George Lucas did say that it was heavily influenced by those classic hero epics.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 11 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/DeutyDaBeast šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

I vote for the mods to pin this post; itā€™s truly one of the best, if not THEE best, videoā€™s out there dissecting and analyzing our beloved Luke Skywalker.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 6 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/InstupituousJay šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

I just saw this video a few days ago. Yes it's fantastic to give Luke the credit he deserves as a truly unique and selfless hero.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 3 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/RevanDelta2 šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

There are a few minor issue there. The youtuber refers to an older tradition of heroism (making visual references to LotR after calling Frodo the standard hero Luke is mistakenly portrayed as, BTW), but fails to pursue the idea to it's conclusion. In that older tradition destiny, harrowing though it may be, is still a net positive to be pursued, and could very well mean the Hero becoming their more authentic self by the transformation for the better that Luke undergoes.

Another interesting thing, that I wonder if they'll include in the DT video is that Rey represents that newer tradition exemplified in the video by Elsa, Po and Moana/Vaiana in all the same ways as nuKirk. And not just in the Abrams films, but also in TLJ which is the apotheosis of the idea. The "legend of Luke Skywalker" is made to a lie, and his true act of heroism is to acknowledge his jedihood is a lie.

Can you tell Urine is fully in the "Luke is the shallow western hero" bandwagon, and didn't consider his source materials much beyond superficial references, including some rather obscure ones?

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 8 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Roykka šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies

This guy's videos are way beyond incredible.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 2 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Slashtallica šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Aug 06 2021 šŸ—«︎ replies
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I hear so many young people today talkĀ  about a world that's emptied of heroism,Ā  where there are no more noble things to do. What do you say to them? The story of Star Wars means something to people. That's even true in Star Wars. But as for what that story means -- Well, there's probably as many answers toĀ  that as there are people watching this video. So it might be easier to focus on whatĀ  Star Wars means to its storyteller. After all, the reason C-3P0 isĀ  telling the Star Wars story isĀ Ā  because he's trying to explain *who he is.* Which, in a sense, is whatĀ  George Lucas was doing, too But the most personal parts of this seriesĀ  probably aren't wrapped up in C-3P0 -- "Yes R2, I was just coming to that!" They probably have more to do with theĀ  character Lucas named after himself. Not that you would know fromĀ  the way people talk about him. Luke is often treated like he'sĀ  just a generic hero archetype. People will even refer to other charactersĀ  as the Luke Skywalker character, and what they mean is the sincere -- ifĀ Ā  somewhat boring -- character theĀ  larger story revolves around. This is obviously a little insulting if you careĀ  about the Frodos and Katnisses of the world. But in fairness to the peopleĀ  who say things like this,Ā Ā  Luke thinks of himself as a generic hero, too. It's just that what George LucasĀ  has in store for his namesakeĀ Ā  proves to be much more uniqueĀ  and interesting than that. Luke starts off A New Hope stuck at the deadĀ  end of life on a basically empty planet. "Where are you going?" "Looks like I'm going nowhere." When he meets Obi-Wan andĀ  receives his father's lightsaber,Ā Ā  it turns his vague dreams of leavingĀ  someday into something much more concrete. "I want to come with you to Alderaan." Essentially Luke now has a destiny. "I want to learn the ways of the forceĀ  and become a Jedi like my father." And at this point it does seem like LucasĀ  is telling a generic hero type of story The rest of the movie could beĀ  almost any fantasy adventure. With Luke taken from humble beginningsĀ  by a wizard who gives him a magic sword to save a princess from a darkĀ  tower guarded by an evil sorcerer. Pretty standard stuff. As the story wraps up, it's hard to see what wouldĀ Ā  separate Luke Skywalker fromĀ  any of a dozen other heroes. Until the next movie starts. In Empire, every single traitĀ  that led Luke to becoming a heroĀ Ā  suddenly works against hisĀ  destiny of becoming a Jedi. You know, sometimes Lucas doesn't get creditĀ Ā  for how clearly defined hisĀ  characters are. In this case -- Luke is loyal to a fault, "I'm not going to Alderaan, I've gotta getĀ  home -- it's late; I'm in for it as it is." Fearless when it's time for action, "The droids belong to her; she's the oneĀ  in the message -- we gotta help her!" And a little impatient withĀ  the people who doubt him. "Who's gonna fly it, kid? You?" "You bet I could; I'm notĀ  such a bad pilot myself!" Only this time instead of flying him to victory,Ā  these traits cause him to crash and burn. Which actually happens twice, justĀ  in case you miss it the first time. We're starting to see that Lucas's vision ofĀ  heroism is a lot more complex than it appears. When Luke's frustration boils over at theĀ  universe blocking his path to becoming a Jedi,Ā Ā  he's told point blank: it's not theĀ  universe that has the wrong idea. "Adventure, heh. Excitement, heh. A JediĀ  craves not these things. You are reckless." His training is repeatedly sabotaged by hisĀ Ā  refusal to understand whatĀ  he's seeing and hearing, no matter how strong of a warning he gets. Everything that happens on Dagobah suggestsĀ  that who Luke is and who he wants to beĀ Ā  aren't the same person at all. "You want the impossible." It's not even surprising when Vader isĀ Ā  able to use his fearlessness andĀ  loyalty to lure him into a trap. "I can't keep the vision out of my head;Ā  they're my friends, I gotta help them." "You must not go!" "But Han and Leia will die if I don't!" He can't see himself as anything other thanĀ  the hero coming in to rescue his friends. What's important to hammer home here is thatĀ  at no point in this self-destructive spiralĀ Ā  is Luke ever acting "out ofĀ  character." This is who he is. It's just that being a hero is one thing,Ā  and being a Jedi is something very different. "The Force is with you, young Skywalker... but you are not a Jedi yet." But whatever the dangers onĀ  Luke's path to "becoming a Jedi,"Ā Ā  they're nothing compared to theĀ  dangers of becoming "like his father" "I am your father." This reveal isn't famous justĀ  because Luke's dad is the bad guy. It's famous because this is theĀ  moment Luke suddenly realizesĀ Ā  that he's promised to turn into this man. He finally sees the otherĀ  path he might be going down. "Luke, it is your destiny." Turns out Luke's destiny hasĀ  a real, well, Dark Side to it. Lucas is telling a different sort ofĀ  story from most of his contemporaries. Not every hero deals withĀ  questions of destiny or fate,Ā Ā  but when they do it usuallyĀ  means the hero has a feeling that they really ought to be someoneĀ  more remarkable, or more important,Ā Ā  or just cooler than they already are. And meeting that destiny either meansĀ  becoming an awesome version of themselves,Ā Ā  or just becoming ...themselves. Here's a specific example: The new version of Captain Kirk starts off asĀ  a very similar character to Luke Skywalker. He's a hot rodder who grows up aroundĀ  a farm, and never knew his fatherĀ Ā  but feels the pressure to becomeĀ  a great pilot like him anyway, and can't escape this nagging feelingĀ  that he belongs among the star -- okay,Ā Ā  jeez, this is like the exact same -- anyway. The big difference between them is thatĀ  his flaw is running away from his destiny. "Why are you talking to me, man?" His mentor figures spend the whole movie beggingĀ Ā  him to follow that feeling that heĀ  was destined for something great and once he decides to go for it,Ā  things fall into place really quickly. It's a movie that looks quite a bit like Star WarsĀ Ā  but is basically doing the oppositeĀ  of everything that Star Wars is about. You know... if anybody asks. Star Wars belongs to an older tradition.Ā  One in which the words "destiny" andĀ Ā  "fate" meant the same thing as the word "doom." In those older stories, meetingĀ  your destiny might be inevitable,Ā Ā  but it wasn't likely to be a pleasant experience. This isn't to say that thoseĀ  other movies are bad -- It's just to point out that theĀ  older tradition understood heroism,Ā Ā  but it also felt that ambition wouldĀ  often have unforeseen consequences. "Because I think the core issues thatĀ  I'm dealing with are, if they were validĀ Ā  2000 years ago they've got to still be validĀ  today even though they're not in fashion." "And I think we've gone for a fewĀ  generations where a lot of theĀ Ā  more basic stories have fallen by the wayside." Luke's doom is still undecided atĀ  the beginning of Return of the Jedi. Which is why, on the one hand, he's lookingĀ  and acting uncomfortably like Darth Vader... While at the same time, he'sĀ  back to the role of hero andĀ Ā  even seems to have pickedĀ  up some Jedi-like traits. He's willing to be patient, and plan things,Ā  leaving Jabba to make all the impulsive mistakes. It's almost like Luke has gotten stronger inĀ  both of the conflicting halves of his destiny. His meetings with Yoda and Obi-Wan confirm that heĀ Ā  hasn't chosen a path until he'sĀ  willing to face his doom head-on. "You must confront Vader. OnlyĀ  then, a Jedi will you be." The heart of the conflict Lucas is buildingĀ  is that either Luke has to kill his fatherĀ Ā  or give up on his dream of becoming a Jedi. But Luke identifies too much with theĀ  man he now sees as Anakin Skywalker. "I can't kill my own father." He understands the connection betweenĀ  them even if Vader himself denies it. "That name no longer has any meaning for me." By the way, all of this is happening in whatĀ  is ostensibly a children's adventure movie. The increasingly internal nature ofĀ  the conflict in the Star Wars sagaĀ Ā  is another thing that separatesĀ  it from most of its other peers. It's also why it's fine that theĀ  battle above the second Death StarĀ Ā  is so reminiscent of the battle above the first. It reminds us that the conflictĀ  facing Luke is no longer out there... ...but in here. The confrontation with the emperor isĀ  where Lucas will resolve the questionĀ Ā  of whether Luke will be able to vanquishĀ  the supreme avatar of the Dark Side while the alternative isĀ  literally staring him in the face. And of course, when GeorgeĀ  Lucas has a question like that,Ā Ā  there's only one way it's going to be answered. The question of destiny hangs overĀ  every duel in the Star Wars saga. So Return of the Jedi featuresĀ  the last "duel of the fates." This final duel is about whetherĀ  Luke can escape his father's destiny. And though Luke is alwaysĀ  looking for the high ground,Ā Ā  he can't ever stay above Vader forĀ  long. Because ultimately, he isn't. Whatever one of them is capable,Ā  of the other is as well. This is why it's misguided to think that the StarĀ Ā  Wars movies' vision of good andĀ  evil is just black and white. Lucas isn't telling stories about good people andĀ Ā  evil people, he's telling stories aboutĀ  characters who can choose good or evil. The Light Side and the Dark Side are theĀ  two paths these choices take them down. As long as Luke can't make this choice he's leftĀ Ā  at the mercy of his emotions -- whichĀ  can take him to a pretty dark place. "Luke works intuitively through most ofĀ  the movie, until he gets to the very end." "He goes back and forth with his emotions, aboutĀ  fighting his father, not fighting his father." Luke's hatred of the idea ofĀ  following his father's destiny,Ā Ā  leads him to try to destroyĀ  that destiny completely. Which is exactly the idea. "Fulfill your destiny, and takeĀ  your father's place at my side." In Star Wars, destiny is a trap. Destroying Vader, and becomingĀ  Vader, are the same thing. "Never." If Luke wants to decide his own destiny,Ā Ā  it means he has to embrace theĀ  good still left in his father. "You failed, Your Highness. I amĀ  a Jedi, like my father before me." And then finally someone isĀ  willing to call him a jedi knight "So be it... Jedi." "Ultimately, doesn't it take a leap of faith?" "Yes. You'll notice Luke uses that quite a bit." Luke doesn't find victory theĀ  way other heroes do either. At the end of each Star WarsĀ  movie, Luke has to surrenderĀ  and allow someone else to save him. This time, there's only one person that could be." "Father, please..." The path Luke finds to his destiny is important, because if he can become a Jedi like his father, his father can become a Jedi like him. The ultimate irony of Luke beingĀ  talked about as a generic hero,Ā Ā  is that at the end of the day, he'sĀ  not the hero of the story at all. And so ends the story of Star Wars. Well, okay, obviously, not exactly...Ā Ā  but now the stories are told byĀ  someone other than George Lucas. What that ultimately means for StarĀ  Wars is probably best left for...Ā Ā  another time. But at the very least,Ā  it changes what Star Wars means. It kinda has to change it. Since what Star Wars always meant for Lucas was a way to tell all of us who he is. "I've discovered along the way thatĀ  happiness -- you live in two worlds here: Happiness is pleasure, and happiness is joy. Pleasure is short-lived. It lasts anĀ  hour, lasts a minute, lasts a month. And it peaks and then goesĀ  down -- it peaks very high,Ā Ā  but the next time you want to get that sameĀ  peak you have to do it twice as much... ...it's like drugs. On the other hand is joy. Joy is the thing that doesn'tĀ  go as high as pleasure,Ā  but it stays with you. JoyĀ  is something you can recall. The secret is, that evenĀ  though it's not as intenseĀ Ā  as the pleasure, the joyĀ  will last you a lot longer. People who get the pleasure, they keep saying,Ā  well if I can just get richer and get more cars -- You'll never relive theĀ  moment you got your first car. That's it. That's the highest peak. If you're trying to sustain thatĀ  level of peak pleasure, you're doomed. just accept the fact that it's here andĀ  it's gone and maybe again it'll come back Pleasure is purely self-centered.Ā  It's all about your pleasure. It's a selfish, self-centered emotion, that'sĀ  created by a self-centered motive of greed. Joy is compassion. Joy is giving yourselfĀ  to somebody else, or something else. And it's a kind of thing that, in its subtletyĀ  and lowness, is much more powerful than pleasure. You get hung up on pleasure, you're doomed. If you pursue joy, you willĀ  find everlasting happiness. So with that, I'm gone. Bye-bye, thank you!" That's it for the Lucas saga! For now, at least. Subscribe or click around belowĀ  if you want to be first in lineĀ Ā  when this channel tackles the Sequel Trilogy. "I've traveled too, far seen too much...Ā  to ignore the despair in the galaxy..."
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Channel: So Uncivilized
Views: 418,463
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Keywords: star wars, george lucas, a new hope, empire strikes back, prequels, trilogy, return of the jedi, storytelling, narrative, screenwriting, plot, dialogue, planets, worldbuilding, fantasy, sci-fi, science fiction, sequels, luke skywalker, destiny, fate, lord of the rings, the matrix, moana, star trek, heroes, the emperor, throne room, duel of the fates, the last Jedi, Rian Johnson, mandalorian
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Length: 15min 15sec (915 seconds)
Published: Sat Jul 31 2021
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