The Full Story of Remco Evenepoel | Junior Years, Setbacks, Victories & Transfers

I mean it's gonna be a big thing I'm gonna say now but are you going to do the classics are you going to do tour of Flanders when you see his face you think he's gonna drop in five minutes was that a difficult period mentally I could have done the Giro but just without any pressure and he was saying to me be careful there's a dangerous right corner for me where I look at the map where I just went straight will you be riding a quick step next year welcome back to Lantern Rouge cycling podcast for a very special guest we've been hunting him down for a long time one of the best Cycles in the world fresh off his World Championships ITT Victory up here in Andorra at pickmeyer removal how you going how you feeling short recovery not much partying after the world chance win straight up to altitude yeah exactly just uh smaller celebration with the with the national team flew home the day after and then a dinner celebration with the with the closest family I mean the family of my wife and my parents of course and then uh quite late in bed two of the night and then 6 30 in the morning anti-doping control super Too Short nice actually yeah and then straight up to here the altitude preparing the world to but back to that world Champs let's draw a ring a bow around that fresh off that first of all you could have just bought the highland cow you realize you didn't have to go do a one hour fully I said I got one at home mate is it a different one the cow for the winner you got a medal around the door uh I think everybody that's on the podium in the cycling event I mean it was only cycling events so they got the cow but I think you could see the difference in the medals there was the gold and silver and bronze medal uh around the neck so your cow is different all right so your cow doesn't have a medal well I just bought it but you know I didn't want to go to Glasgow obviously I didn't have to buy it you know yeah yeah when you saw the course when you first reconded in real life did you think this is not hard enough or did you think actually I can beat ganner and the big boys on this sort of course uh I had a bit of a double feeling um first of all the wind was quite depending uh because we had Tailwind to come back but then there were the climb so it was not important at all actually and then in the start was a lot of Crosswinds you probably saw it on the images I was really flying around with my bike was just like getting smashed by the wind so for me the actually the most important thing was to know my time at the first intermediate I was expecting to be behind but then four seconds was actually not a lot at all okay uh for me but of course um I believed I could win but it I think like I said I had my best numbers in a long TT and that's what I needed to beat Ghana because he had the same so uh I think it was a really high level TT from the top three you hinted at it a little bit already but what factors come into play when you're thinking of a a pacing plan with your team towards a time trial for example if you look at the parkour and you say okay where should I ride fast what fits best for me um I think first part you always try to go around your FTP a little bit under actually so you don't go into the lactate too much and then at the turning point or after around 23 25 kilometers from there it started to be up and down more and then we were like okay on the climb C just go VO2 in The Descent you try to recover on the flats you go again a bit under FTP so you still have that kick for the yeah for the climbs um but yeah I think I had one of those days where I could ride over my FTP on the flats and I could really go much above my VO2 as well on the climb so the final Hill how terrifying was that compared to how we viewed it on TV because on TV we just saw Riders perishing after the line but did it feel like a controlled effort still or was it all out dying uh the problem is it's that lady needed I mean it's the last kilometer so you want to go all out but in the end you cannot go much faster than the first climb you did yeah so it's just the legs are really empty and then the worst part was the cobbles because the cobbles they were like gaps of five centimeters in between the cobles so it was really like yeah you were really thrown from Stone to Stone and you said they're not cobbles they're not Flemish enough he said yeah to be honest they really fell a bit like quarterman cobbles yeah it was was pretty tough and especially you come on that because the climb was actually around 900 meters I think and you had 400 meters of cobbles but that first 500 meters were quite fast smooth roads um you know with a bit of speed onto the first uh part of the climb but then you you like you were riding only 25 28 kilometers an hour just before entering the goals and then you go like under 20 and it was like oh it's going to be such a and it was long because I think we almost did I did one minute 12 15 something like that for the last 500 meters so that's quite long actually on there when you go allowed especially I'm gonna claim one more question one thing that I'm curious personally about and that's Gannon spoke after the time trial about his own performance oh when it comes to what's I'm not sure if I can improve that much more but when it comes to Arrow maybe I can get into a slightly more Arrow position if I work on it a little more stuff like that and he specially spoke about your inward rolling shoulders is that something or just in general if you look at a time trial position how much of that is your natural body physiology and how much of that is oh I'm in an uncomfortable position that I got used to um well it feels uncomfortable in the beginning of the Season especially because yeah in the winter you don't really ride a TT bike that much um but to be honest uh when I went on training camp in valdefasa from the first day on we started with like really specific uh core stability trainings because we knew from the 55 minutes I think I did 50 minutes in the position which is super long and uh after the race actually I really had a big cramp in my shoulder so I was really completely crammed up because of you know really sitting in that position um but just those core stability and flexibility movements in the shoulders they really help a lot so it's not really something that you have from from nature but you have to train it a bit and get used to it and yeah I think it's it's not easy at all especially in TTS like this where you really have to try and make yourself as small as possible it's uh it's pretty horrible actually so if we've battered you up with the good the positives from Worlds I reckon you did over 400 watts for the TT 410 maybe around there is my guesstimate what happened what happened in the road race though because your your physiology your shape is really good one hour you've done those numbers you're flying what went wrong for you in the road race that like how is that different to learn because you've run on flat circuits You've Won Belgian chance flat national champs was a flat circuit what went wrong for you in the road race the week before um well I think it was pretty clear the fight to go into the circus was really on it was really crazy in the end I turned into the circuit at around position 40 where I felt comfortable to be honest but after two laps I quickly realized when I came out of the corner uh for example the part where Matthew attacked yeah you have like that right left you go super fast down and then you when you do that Park where it was a bit of kind of gravel even yeah when I even position 40 45 something like that which normally you think that's perfect place to save energy there's eight laps to go yeah like eight seven laps ago you know where the the Danish team just yeah smashed it there was like I took the left hand turn and I saw the guys of Denmark already taking the right turn almost okay and it's like 500 meters further so if it was always like at least two meters in between every Rider yeah so it's it's almost the bench was almost gonna be if there were the 200 Riders here the bunch could be like more than two kilometers long like really completely stretched out and I think there in the first two three laps I really lost some energy with sitting in that 40th position okay and then when the group went smaller and smaller I started to feel better and better because you know everybody was getting a bit more tired the things were getting less explosive um and then I think he was just the following up of turning sprinting to the top uh because every time we went up on the part where material attacked in the end when I looked at my power meter I was always above 650 and I was thinking I cannot do this for three laps more because I'm just not that type of writer and after when I spoke with bout and also with Martin text they were always pushing around 8 900 all the time on those climbs it was just it was actually pretty crazy and I think um before the race they were speaking about the cycle cross guys will have a big advantage and everybody was saying yeah but it's six hours it will be it will be harder than that but in the end I think they really had an advantage with all those just 100 one minute even not even one minute just full and 50 countries yeah exactly to be honest also in within the Belgian team we're really speaking about it and it was like okay they were a bit too many corners at a certain point of the course yeah especially the part after that um that Park I was talking about you went down on the cobbles yeah you went super fast right left left up right right down you know that was crazy and they could just have gone straight on a big road to the boxes where the feed Zone was so at a certain point in the course it was a bit too much but I think yeah it was a spectacle to watch probably so yeah it certainly wasn't as a Belgian at heart I enjoyed the raise alone you guys were active and I felt like there was there was teamwork going on the rolling attacks in in certain spaces was that a plant thing or was that a consequence of you for example saying to the team okay this is never gonna happen for me anymore I'm gonna try and do something so that vanard can maybe benefit from it to be honest at that point the race has been has been very hard actually um because the Danish team did three laps full then it was a bit of slowing down and then again every lap faster and faster again so I think at that point we were only 20 guys left and I was thinking okay if we can get if we can go with a group of three four guys with strong Riders while this behind we take a 30 40 second Advantage he can always jump across and then we're in in an attacking position winning position actually because I had a feeling that in the first lapse much he was really looking at about to uh always sitting in the wheel he never mocked you no only poggy yeah pogi and and Matt spirits and also those two are really mocking me because they knew I was gonna try early um and then at a certain point came to me and he asked how do you feel you still have to try something as if it's not gonna work it's better that I I do something for water for you guys and then it started to rain uh narvas had the crash groups between two and we never came back so we were actually I was already struggling at that point but at that point we were still eight nine guys together with four belgians narvais crushed me and starving her behind and then in the front was dish that day Matthew and vote I think and battle was even a little bit ahead but at that point my race was completely over because we never came back and at that point it was only marking the moves from behind from King uh Schmidt they always try to jump across and then Jasper and myself we jumped on the wheel and tried to block it but yeah it wasn't my favorite course but anyway after the world championship I don't think you can complain with winning the ITT I think you'll be happy after yeah yeah after that but we've spoken about the world championships the road race the IDT this year but let's go back in time for a bit let's go back in history Bell and in-depth cycling fans will also know that you've got a football history just like myself I played one day for circular Bruges when they were in the primary division team and after that one training I never heard back from him and then it clearly went backwards when it comes to my fitness but anyway back to you your history on the left bsfa all those football teams your question was basically well I don't know I'm not Belgian so I didn't I wasn't following all the the sports articles back in the day so like what were you cycling always because the narrative is ah he first picked up a bike when he was 17 or something it's like no no no yeah that's true yeah exactly so like you were playing foot were you playing football more seriously as like this is my Sport and then cycling for a bit of Fitness what age was that and what age was the transition to actually training more cycling seriously uh well actually my dad in the past had a professional uh cycling career not too long because he had some hard problems in the end he had to stop the career but he was a very good under 23 Rider and also he won uh some nice races yeah exactly and that time was a very big race actually because it was after the world so a lot of guys from the world that came back did the race and uh but it yeah in the end uh after I think he went over the limit in that race and then the year after a problem so um but no I think um I've always done a bit of mountain biking just but not really mountain biking like you see it on in professional racing um but in the summer holidays because we always got a schedule from the from Monday life from the football team to stay a bit in shape you had like two weeks off and then a bit of running um Fitness gym and I always wanted to adapt a bit of um mountain biking just to do something else so I think that's where I in that time of my life it was more enjoying the mountain bike Enough season and really football with the goal I want to become professional right uh then at the age of 15 uh I broke my left hip it was a grow I mean I always say the growing injury yeah yeah um like the bones were growing but the muscles were not following at that time and I think uh there was just a piece of bone that got yeah yeah I don't actually know the the word in English um so yeah I've I broke my two hips nice achievement though congratulations yeah thank you how do you rate your results you have versus breaking your two hips what would you prefer to do again well it's if yeah which one result is okay no I think yeah but then in the end um the first couple of weeks uh starting the rehab I couldn't run so I had to ride a bike okay uh more indoors than than outdoors and that's where more and more I got interested by uh by cycling but to be honest I always followed cycling Tour de France Tour of Flanders rube right those races in Belgium you just cannot miss them yeah especially with my father having a cycling uh past so uh and then yeah uh having the rehab came back on level um and a certain moment um I was captain of the national team and of my of my team then they put me on the bench and I started to ask myself questions is it worth it to continue uh stuff like that then in the end I was not even on the bench anymore we're just not in the uh 15 players that could go to the game and then I was really starting to hate the sport actually yeah I gave it another try in Magellan which is also a first division team in Belgium uh and then in at a certain moment on Sunday hours I like running trainings and always when with went with my mountain bike to the the forest where I did the running and uh I was standing in front of the of the forest ready to push off the Garmin to start the run and then I just said okay look or you just do your training and you go for it or you take your bike you go back home and you change sports or and your life and everything actually yeah and what is the 15. that was at the age of no 17. so it's already two years okay uh further so it was actually one year of like playing a game being on the bench not even in the selection things again yeah and so it was one year really up and down okay uh came also hard in my school results actually because I to be honest I was a very good student I always had good notes but that year was really I was just trash at school you know I was a lot of uh under the 50 and just completely yeah [ __ ] things up actually and then completely lost lost my mind actually almost what direction would that have gone if Sports was the thing as in would you have become a Flemish farmer or yeah so uh I was I wanted to become actually a physio so I always I've always wanted to do something with sports right if I could not become professional it was yeah or cycling podcast you know something like this so but no I think uh was maybe the best choice of my life to change Sports at that moment okay I think so but so yeah I think I have a little bit of a cycling uh past but not really like when you're 14 15 you race never never like that but is it that different because like is it really that different to a lot of the guys because yeah there are guys who like Tom dumel are racing you know 12 years old or whatever but like then I Connor I'm friends with you know he was a runner he's inside but no one's like oh Ben O'Connor he like he didn't learn to ride a bike or something I I feel like what you're describing is pretty normal and then when you're 17 is that you're like mountain bike goes in the garage then you're getting a road bike power meter training like straight away you're like this is my sport now that transition is like that uh no first I uh I I stole the bike of my dad oh way too big so I have a 52 frame and here the 54 uh but at that time I think he had the I shouldn't say but it was a pinarello but it was uh it's different sizes I think yeah because he's six real top two yeah it's like really really strange sizes comparing to to the specialized ones so uh I took his bike he was just like a small computer on it with time and kilometers or nothing special so just rode like two and a half hours I think on my first proper ride I had like 33 average or something on trading so which was uh pretty crazy actually because it was the first time I rode outside I had no tires with me no buildings just took the bike went out my parents didn't uh they didn't know I wanted to change into uh into cycling and my um uh running coach the physical coach my private coach he knew and he trained my dad in the past right uh yeah so there was a bit of a you know thing going on that I want to keep it secret for a while but then he told me look if you want to change you have to tell it this week and we have to change as fast as possible okay and that's what my dad also said so if you I think I uh my first race was the second of April 2017. and I told it the weekend before so I I my first race was the the weekend of the Ronald actually so the switch to cycling as in actually starting to ride races how easy was that to find a team to ride races instantly at that level uh I did my first race in the near the Black Jersey individual Rider yeah um just finished race in the bunch which was already quite a success um then a few days later we had the uh the time travel championship of flames bravons so uh you know with the local the local Riders but if we had Arna married which was at that time one of the best Juniors uh right now from Belgium yeah he's Pro now um and a few others I think uh I think Elon was not at the race at that time of our wielder yeah but uh I came 10th in my first Tantra with a normal bike with just a small you know like a set of bars yeah but a normal uh Road uh handlebar so uh I became tent I think around 48 50 seconds from uh from hardness so it was a quite a big achievement and then there was the famous Patrick proscure I don't know if you know I know Patrick Yeah he was also professional at Lotto okay uh and he had a a junior team at that time yeah Forte and he said look you are quite talented we want to win the team and for me was already like like going into Quick stuff you know yeah did it feel the same emotional actually yeah actually uh because at that time 40 has really good virus um for example Olaf koi yeah Russell crew he's running for human Powerhouse yeah he is and there were still a few others Danny Van Der Duke from uh I think I think so he did he write for medic at some point or yeah yeah but he went to uh now so actually very good writers one of the best junior teams at that time so for me it was already something like okay this is maybe a first step too something unachievable you know yeah and you're already like mentally I'm I want to be a professional cyclist already mentally that's that's not my goal and then once you're on that junior team and you're getting more guidance and the professionalism of your training goes up at that point to be honest in 17 was not as crazy as it is now um no power meters just riding on the heart rate on the feeling uh so it was not not like it was now so uh I'm actually really surprised because we I spoke with the two Junior guys that did the DT as well last week and the guys were like with the 56 11 and I was like wait you can ride a 5611 so I was not even aware of the gear changes yeah for the juniors and also the the programs they have uh using bicarbonate everything you know for the TTS and I was like I've never done that until my first year as a professional so it was all everything was super low key super basic nothing special and I think that's also something why I'm still improving a lot now in the professional ranks because in the junior times I was doing everything just on the feeling and super low-key actually when it comes to those Junior years at what point during those years because like you were winning a lot let's be honest about it you were my second year yeah you were cleaning some of the races most of the races in that second year oh you won in your first year yeah seven seven yeah racist uh more than a lot of riders yeah because I started in April so it was quite a short season exactly I went to the world in my first year yeah so it was pretty special actually um and my first big race where they actually kind of discovered me was in bus country I don't remember the name of the race but machine was there who is now working in UAE he was there and then gave my name to uh the Quick Step Team oh because he was the Scout for question yeah at that time he was a quick step yeah he started all nighter the Quick Step as well yeah exactly okay wasn't he also in that same period yeah period uh he was professional the year before me but we were stasher at the same point and I still was going to do my second year Junior then and he became professional in 18 I think yeah yeah 18. she is done flies that feels like yesterday yeah yeah it's crazy it's interesting seeing like how that person at that moment on that team how now his selections or how he he influenced what's happening now in teams five years later it's just yeah it's interesting knowing like oh he was there that's why that right is there yeah exactly but he has a lot of knowledge he's yeah really smart guy were there multiple teams Walter teams that you heard of interest from or was it much in first and then you were already talking to to quickstep already or what was the chronology of that yeah first uh yeah now it's Sudoku said but at that time was uh in Quick Step floors just Quick Step floors they were the first ones to to come they gave me the bike actually no I've I have to say I was normally I was supposed to go to uh action Axion yeah yeah exactly so uh but then after winning the Europeans with the 10 minutes I don't know what it was uh yeah then it became actually quite crazy and then Quick Step said look you've come straight to us because then there was a team sky at that time uh pulling on the arm uh mitchelton Scott back then um so those three teams are really um bullying but then yeah there was a bit of a I'm not gonna say fight but you know a bit of argument with the Axion team because they were really all thanks though you do the next year yeah I was gonna go one year on a 23 with them yeah and then go to the pro ranks But like after that yeah uh European and World Championship uh things were clear they had to go straight to the pros which was a big risk yeah after only racing one year I wasn't normal for five months now it's normal now now it's normal yeah still sometimes I feel like some guys come too early oh for sure and it's a bit sometimes it's going a bit in the wrong way but of course yeah I'm the bad example of it because it I feel like I mean a lot of people say to me it's after you everything changed in the huge ranks every everybody wants to become Pro as soon as possible a bit more strict and everything and I don't think so I think guys are just better younger because yeah I'm just better now that's what I mean like everything that the pros did back then yeah is now starting already in the right yeah they're under 17 that's nice they're actually they have power meters they train four or five hours it's it's impressive School how long is school that the school day in Belgium or my school days but nowadays they can have like these special all sports school they can go when they skip three hours of class to do their trainings and are you jealous of those days but to be honest I because uh I skipped my last year of school yeah because I was getting oh okay I didn't know that no I didn't finish my high school okay so because um I was getting professional worth it yeah in hindsight but in the end I asked to the school that I was back then can we make in an arrangement that I just keep I don't know that we for example Jim I skip the gym classes because I was doing doing some cardio already yeah but that's it no like I was I asked them uh languages so I said just let me do the science and the languages just these classes yeah and not mathematics and you know um history stuff like that I said it's not where my goal is yeah so I can train in those hours and do the school like my main um classes yeah I will finish them and do my best and try to you were like but they didn't want to so then yeah no they didn't want to they were like I'll skip I'll skip mods I already know what per kilo I know you're just going to divide wide buyers that's all you need exactly but before we round off Juniors I want to know the world Champs so will you signed with Quick Step you said that was a big fight was that before the world Champs I'm doing it to the France uh I went to watch the stage okay I think the stage where she'll bear crashed in uh in the Ravine yeah uh this is 2018. yeah 18 yeah yeah because I I won the race one week before okay and then uh Patrick said you've come to the tour um I went in FIFA villo in the uh TV show yeah in Belgium and then uh I signed the country the real men go to Viva all right well my Dutch is getting there majuolingo I know Villa cake is not about it but what what was the goatee celebration you win World you come back from the mechanical I was you know that was my first one of my first viral videos yeah on my channel was you doing it and then you did the goatee yeah what was that what did that mean uh one of my best friends actually told me look if you wouldn't just do it and I know it's for me and then I just did it it was nothing special was uh just like a deal okay and a bit of a follow-up to that we've seen a few celebrations in the in the history of ramco Avenue pool as in the the shoulder uh the clean thing and that's Michael Jackson yeah did you stop that because of the controversy yeah a little bit Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I have to be honest I think it's something that I took with me from the football history I think because there you know if you score a goal the celebration can be like yeah you can punch this yeah whatever yeah you do whatever you you so I think I took it a bit with me but I quickly realized it was not really loved in the cycling world or there was yeah because I think if you win a race you deserve to celebrate it in the way that you want and you know like the shoulder wiping thing was nothing special it was just because I'm a big Michael Jackson fan right and I also because it was the lockdown was the first race again after the the lockdown and I just said to me look if I win I'm gonna do the uh I don't know which which song it was again um oh well it's one of the song where he dances in uh well that's a lot exactly but it's a specific dance where he does this and then you know um I don't know which song it is but one thing you've spoken about the junior celebration it was a deal Let's Make a Deal now if you win a Volta stage you gotta celebrate you have to oh he'll win the TT well you can't celebrate the DT yourself oh true yeah you know you get so much criticism if you lose two seconds celebrating the TV but you know last week I checked the the time board and I saw that it was still green so I knew I was gonna win so I actually you know I wanted to do like you know like a fish store yeah yeah yeah but I just realized I shouldn't do it to TT you have to go full till the end but at that point also I wasn't the last one for example if it would be next year and I started as last and I know that I'm I don't know 20 30 seconds ahead at the finish line then you can celebrate Dennis celebrated in Harrogate enchilada also did yeah yeah Dennis also did yeah but after the finish line and he started last no yeah I think he won back to back no oh no one in Bergen yeah but do not didn't participate so I think that's why Dennis and with Rolex you know the fight that Rolex overtook him on the Finish Line yeah because at that moment I was I was in the hot seat and I was going as fast as possibility to see the the final of uh of Dennis and there's oh [ __ ] one minute something yeah man that was crazy that was a hard course that course probably would suit you more now than the recent ones yeah yeah because if I see the powers now it was almost the same time a bit longer but much harder uh I think it's a bit comparable with next year maybe yeah um yeah probably but it was good to be second is a neoprano yeah because everyone was like oh tiling and I actually picked darling to win the TNT in Sterling yeah you didn't but he still did pretty well that's all that must be the first teenager and then realized no you actually became second in 20 2019 yeah but you mentioned you 23 people making mistakes may be going too early do you think if Quick Step had the dev team they had now you would have done the year at U23 a quick step instead of going straight or maybe even six months because it didn't oh it can go into like first of August yeah it didn't know someone do six months would you think you might have done that I used to also switched yeah you so did six but if I have to look at my first series of Pride quite some some crashes not being really used to riding the bunch at that time or now I would say yeah I should have done one year in the under 23 ranks and then go over because probably then I would still improve a bit in the under 23s um but I think yeah to say today doesn't make much sense anymore yeah but I have to be honest I think maybe at that time for 2019 and 2020 would have been better to uh to one year of the under 23s or even six months because let's be honest I won San Sebastian Sebastian if you did six months after it's after all then maybe yeah yeah this is hindsight talk though it's about a chance yeah yeah or a time machine I reckon in hindsight maybe yeah yeah if I would do a half a year yeah but yeah at that time was a big thing but to be honest nowadays it's it doesn't make sense anymore you know it's Me Maybe to win it another time later in the career but you know with the tour and all that stuff in races like this you don't want to yeah risk it too much anymore so were there people like for example the ball was a Belgium Tour that was a pretty impressive victory in my opinion arguably with San Sebastian you you anticipated before the climb the rests probably well they knew who reimbur was because that's a pretty big talent in cycling at that point but they might have risked waiting a little bit and so forth you reckon people I don't know were there still people doubting you after San Sebastian uh probably huh probably still today no uh yeah I don't know it's uh I think at that point it made sense because it made it was a surprise and maybe it was you know by accident that I won San Sebastian um yeah kind of so for me it was understandable there was still a bit of doubts but I feel like when I became second on the worlds in the TT that there are a lot of doubters yeah went away because you know with TT it doesn't lie it's the strongest wins okay you can have bad luck with your like Victor head that day he crashed also lumpia um but still yeah I think in a long TT like that the result never lies um so yeah I think after that second place was a much less um a lot less of uh doubters but still yeah then after uh the Giro uh 21 yeah stuff like that you know it came back up but I think there was a bit of you know because of my quick rise and uh the hype and everything around but I think now nowadays I deal quite well with it and just there you go we don't think so and and like there was that ilombardo crash of course a pretty big event in your career so far which led up to that zero 2021 you are mentioning was that a difficult period mentally how did you manage that recovery towards that Jiro because I I vaguely recall there being postponements of your return because you were supposed to ride a race earlier before the jira and then how did you manage that recovery and how did well yeah what support did you have and so forth to be honest the recovery itself when we don't speak about the bike went quite well everything was quite smooth uh big support from my from my family um especially uh because my parents were working at the time because it was September yeah I think yeah when I was no uh at the end of August and then September that I was in my hospital bed at home so I think I did like 10 days in hospital Italy Belgium okay then I could go home but still had to do like four or five weeks in the bed uh so in September my parents were working and uh Umi had exams so she was with me at home uh you know was like a big a big struggle also for her because she wanted to take care of me but she had to study and uh I mean it's gonna be a big thing I'm gonna say now but I couldn't go to the big toilet myself yeah so I always had to ask to help me because I couldn't sit on the toilet with the bone that was broken because otherwise it would completely stretch out again so stuff like that you know and at that time it all looks normal but then when everything has been healed up again and you think about it it's like what was actually a brutal period how did we went through it so smooth uh so yeah I just have I had a big big support um to my parents and and do me of course uh also the team every every week there was somebody coming to check also brahmati came from Italy to Belgium just to say hello to see how I was uh so that was all pretty special uh and then yeah there was the the rehab um with all the special exercises and stuff like that to build the muscle again and um just to become a normal human again because I had to learn parking again and um yeah so of riding the bike there was still no no no talks about because yeah we never knew how I was gonna ride a bike um did you think your career could be done or at least that you might never come back to on the trajectory you were like with the moments where you thought I'm not going to get back to that second of world's level again yeah of course because the bone that I broke is the bone that you sit on the whole day so if there was a problem or like a friction problem or just if there was too much bone around after the the fracture you could have a problem on the bike and sit completely like uh blocked in the back or completely not straight on your bike whatever so there were a lot of doubts but in I think when I restarted riding the bike it was around December probably uh so did the training camp but I I I was in a rush to be on a training camp with the team yeah and I wanted to ride with you guys again to show that I was back on level first training with the team just forced myself completely the fracture went open again a little I mean no not not like this you know like one millimeter But A millimeter is enough so complete setback again eight weeks off the bike uh only in the swimming pool but I think we just went too fast uh with the gym exercises um because even if I'm always the the specialist for the fractures in the team and he he said like you should have started one month in the swimming pool because the water lifts your weight up and then you can move the bones and the muscles without putting too much pressure on on your body and uh we actually started to do that in January December January so it was way too late it was almost half a year after the the crash and personally uh did that crash also we spoke about the cycling the rehab and so forth but it does also give you like a A New Perspective on live itself you reckon for sure yeah if you are I mean I'm not gonna say I was close to that like uh like Fabio for example but it was also quite close then you you realize there are some more important things than riding the bike uh you know the smaller things going to the cinema or the movies with your family with the brothers and sisters of this podcast have you seen belly in Oppenheimer not yet not really what do you think is going to be better Barbie are open yeah I suppose Oppenheimer known for or not Afghanistan yeah yeah we went in Andorra yeah yeah yeah you can see it actually the cinema oh yeah yeah yeah oh nice there we go there we go I've seen both I was I was forced to watch Barbie with a pink shirt on which no yeah like half the half the movie theater had pink shirts with your cat or no no no for context we've got a new kitten and the kitten is called Remco because my wife decided to call the kitten Remco so that's a thing now what an honor well we'll have to make you meet the cat at some point all right I don't know how but we'll make it work are you you'll be in Barcelona yeah but I I don't think we can fly with the nine year nine months no no weak old kitten yet just come with a car in the UK from the UK yeah yeah I can't actually enter the UK but that's a whole other story so which movie was the best I I feel he's Gonna Save Barbie no I think Oppenheimer was the best okay I don't think I was that critical about Barbie as other people but it's like kind of Barbie in real life no it's not like Barbie with the no it's it's Barbie in real life it's an adult film it's not for children okay kids can't see it you can see it but it's got more of a story in it that kids won't understand yeah true okay yeah Margaret Robbie from the Gold Coast yet it's a good movie Oppenheimer but very long you can pan now your preparation to the Welter what you're doing how prepared you're gonna be and you compare how you were one week 10 days before that zero 21. how different does it feel to that you mean yeah or like your preparation for the world to last year where you won how unprepared now that you know how you need to prepare to win how underprepared you think you were for that jira 21 no because he rushed he rushed back and yeah yeah I only had five weeks of training yeah and I had some good numbers on the 15-minute test okay so we thought like okay shape is there but yeah the Baseline was not there you know and to be honest we should have never started the Jiro at that time um because with five weeks of training you don't even prepare a season with that yeah or you prepare a season with let's say six weeks of no not even prepare some fun with that exactly exactly he prepares for San Juan I mean you prefer to race no like in six weeks you're kind of ready to do to do like the boomerang attack and um fly back completely no one can touch Lopez on Colorado no exactly he was flying yeah but no no but I mean five weeks if I see I've been preparing the world the last year since the winter actually I mean you first had like that Yash period but then you go you say okay we have to lose those two kilos now to go into the Volta stuff like that so it's a complete different thing and yeah like I said the jira would have been possible if I didn't have all those setbacks but those setbacks didn't have to be there if we did the normal and calm rehab and if we took our time uh just to to grow tranquilo you know not nothing in Spanish we'll get to some Spanish people coming in later yeah okay that's terrifying so yeah I think it was the worst decision that we have ever made to scavenger at that time yeah for sure I mean I was good for 10 days but then you could see you're in what but it's I mean it's a bit maybe it's not up to me to say but if you see the prep of pogi of this year's tour yeah he had the crash they couldn't ride the bike outside quite a long time Jonas just probably had the perfect preparation yeah yeah you you always will see it in the third week of a grand tour so that's a bit and on the stages with the with the highest kilojoules yeah yeah exactly that's where your base aerobic yeah exactly exactly also Geo always Reigns at the time I was like super skinny but yeah it was unnatural because I I could have eaten what I wanted at that time I just didn't gain the weight I was close to 60 kilos so my body was still not completely recovered from and you're still healing so you need more calories for that yeah exactly so it just wasn't a good decision but probably some pressure from the organization and stuff like that so your face when the stage Bernal One Stage Nine rocket Del Cambio in the Rain the gravel finish yeah in the rain your face yeah complete I know I know yeah even the stage where I almost won uh where Gino still won yeah yeah he's six six yeah that uh you know there was one of the days that I said to the team I should have gone for it try to win the stage at least but then I said nothing about the GC you know and yeah so at that time should have just go for the stages try to take whatever I could take yeah I could have done the Giro but just without any pressure just to do three weeks take it as a trading Camp yeah yeah but you know without stress just go in the groupeto like I did the stage 15. what peacock dinner tour last year yeah exactly yeah kind of yeah so just get dropped take 30 minutes don't stress about it yeah I think there would have been a big big a positive thing for my uh yeah for the Improvement during the season but yeah during that time during that zero there was the co-leadership for example and like I'm completely unaware of there being drama in the team or anything between you two but on social media between the Belgian fans and the Portuguese fans complete War oh yeah do you know is that how online are you when you're in a grand tour uh actually not so it's quite a surprise to hear it now you did not know I mean dude no I know there were like kicked off yeah because probably you know when especially the gravel stage where I had to wait for me I said in the radio joao go for yourself do your thing because I felt like if somebody helps me or not it's not going to work at all but from the card I said Joe wow you have to wait okay to bring me back so at that time there was a I already knew like I'm my shape is taking off I had a super bad rest day actually so probably from all the trainings I did uh just going straight to the Jiro then having those nine days and then just having a rest day completely yeah [ __ ] that day actually because I was really on a bad level that day because there was this the rest day after stage three was there or no no no the ground was stage ten no yeah yeah Grover was the day after the the first president yeah it was stage 11 because we did 10 stages that year we started on on Friday PDT and we had 10 stages straight the rest day on um Monday and then but we started on Friday or we had rested on Tuesday and then the last minute the last week was only five days I mean only only five days seven thousand meters of climbing with so to be honest between joao and myself we always understood each other very well we were I'm not gonna say friends but we were good teammates yeah till now we always speak with each other never have any problems so it was a bit more like the team orders you know when when Gerald dropped five minutes on that stage four and I was still up there top 10 uh being able to to be out there with the big guys they decided that you are to work for me but I think it was a bad decision because in the end if you see how he uh yeah I think he finished fourth fourth fifth yeah in the mountains in the third week he was better than that yeah exactly the stage I crashed for example in Sega the Allah with the Martin one yeah uh that day we were completely convinced I was going to work for him I dropped super early on that long climb yeah but I felt like they went super fast in the first five minutes I was always like one minute behind and I came back on top and then there was a crash with the nibali and the team that they went out of the corner and uh still my bit of stress in the descents at that moment okay uh but I think that day because I was getting a bit better again if that day I could help him on the final climb for sure he would have won the stage and that was the plan but yeah I think with all the circumstances and stuff around going on things had a another image than it actually was so you're not online during a grand tour you're not on Twitter you're not on well Instagrams yeah seeing tags saying people's opinions or uh you can Shield your mind from it even if you see it yeah yeah I can I can uh I'm never on Twitter so that's uh I think a good sense foreign an idea I have to put it down and then one million I just fire it off close the app yeah in real life Belgium is not that easy actually I think I even called you out on that tweet that oh yeah yeah it was so good it was a good tweet I like the honest reactions and in cycling that's not necessarily accepted as much as you see it in like a football or something yeah exactly or NBA it's something it's something that I have some difficulties with sometimes because in interviews I always say your opinion what I have on my tongue you know I don't know if you say it like this in English you say it yeah yeah what's on the tip of your tongue yeah something like that yeah so I just say what I feel I have to say um and sometimes I feel like it's a bit they don't want to accept it or it's because it's me or I don't know you know sometimes it's quite hard to to process all of that but well you got labeled as arrogant a lot of people said yeah that's what I mean yeah you can't shake that label yeah it's hard to shake it yeah yeah that's what I mean it's a bit difficult because I think I'm not arrogant at all uh especially behind the scenes with the with the guys in in the bus or whatever the family stuff like that but just in an interview if they ask me a question I will just give an honest answer and not say like oh we'll see yeah you see things like that just say I'm in good shape I'm here to try and win stuff like that I'm just not good enough or like with the worlds like the the roadways I just said look as well it wasn't my course I tried but it just wasn't today you just have to be honest and I think that's the best way to to go through life in the career in my opinion well I'm just getting emotional no well I'll speak a little bit on you I'll speak a little bit on your behalf here because it kind of happened a few weeks ago I think someone said someone asked you about your opinion on the Tour de France Jonas and pogi and it kind of then the headlines got taken from that were like REM quavin Nepal thinks he can beat Giannis and Pikachu but I'll I'll just give a reality check to everybody like if you don't think you can win the Tour de France or you want don't [ __ ] Turner no I'm like yeah all the people like top athletes you have to do even if it's kind of unrealistic you have to do positive visualization because if you don't do that you think ah they're too good who am I to attack them then don't turn up so that's what all the athletes are thinking yeah maybe it's also the good day to say skip the tour it was worthy to win the TT in the world because that's why I skipped the tour like he's here to win the TT in the world and I think also if you see my two Swiss I I wasn't at my level that I should be if I'm at my top level I've probably I would probably win the race um with a big fight against Matthias and also Felix gal because and not used to because the guys were actually flying yeah especially Gull and the skill motion they were really really in super good shape but I think at that moment I needed a race you know the suffering in the race to go over the limit again and also learn how to write defensive like if you feel like if I at that moment I feel like I don't have the likes to beat all those guys to drop them yeah stay in the wheel respawn attacks wait for the final Sprint yeah become second you know things like this it helped a lot actually about that behavior about that realization that okay now I need to write differently how do you feel that has evolved throughout your career for example in the first year you arrived in in World Tour ball was a Belgium turn and so forth you kind of just were just trying to force the Rays and see where it goes at moments that were much earlier than traditionally in cycling like was it Copa bernoki where he also did it at some point I ended up winning that race we had 150 kilometers in the Breakaway with Five Guys the bunch never came back and then I dropped them 40K to go one with three minutes the bunch 10 minutes something like that was yeah but I think um in the first years it worked out because it was kind of new but now every classic breaks open at 70k to go yeah not two guys but like 10 guys big group 20 km again attack Five Guys go off so that's a bit how racing is now and you can actually also say this from for example company with his marginal gains in the past everybody does it now so what he had in his Advantage a few years ago is now just the Baseline is just normal inciting I think it's also a bit with the race situations early finals it's normal now we'll look at Paulie's bike change over winter his hoods yeah change everything narrow handlebars he came closer to his uh handlebar as well like uh you could really see it I was really surprised when I saw him riding uh where was it Ruta Del Sol I think yeah you could really see immediately he must have another position it looks it looks strange the first days but yeah yeah looks like it's still working yeah must be benefiting yeah that's for sure but going through your history a little bit more worlds 2020 um 2021 versus 2022 versus 2023 do you feel like like Euro had been a bit of a question mark in 2021 for example there was a lot of drama in Belgian media around it at some point I'm I'm like oh so much drama in Belgium about it he got sold out okay I'll say it yeah yeah yeah you should have been co-leader oh I agree I had a good I had a good day but you know like the big thing that is what they when they asked did you have likes to become world champion that was like the famous question that they asked me you're gonna hear dude oh yeah yeah it's on the list really yeah it's the question they asked me no like yeah and uh then I just said yes but it didn't make sense that they yeah but they they skipped the part of it didn't make sense right okay you know so I was yeah they just yeah shot me down actually but yeah I don't know if that day while it was in super good shape he won almost all of his races at that time he was super super good I think he deserved to be the the leader at that time because I was going in ups and downs a lot I didn't know how my shape was going to be that day but I think there were just a few mistakes during the race but I think we learned from that race and we took it to the year after and to this year and we almost had to um wins rainbow jerseys so I think maybe it was a good thing that things went wrong that day I mean wrong we were still forced with Jasper yeah but just you know the situation and stuff like that where and how they were supposed to be when it comes to the atmosphere in the team that probably wasn't the best atmosphere in the team that year in 2021 but you feel like that has evolved to the point that now you understand each other I think it was actually also in 2021 yeah yeah because especially Before the Race I mean after the race you know with all the fans and we wanted to win the championship in our own country everybody was a bit down and thinking like are we [ __ ] it up uh in some way but then the days before everybody was super relaxed super good atmosphere the year after exactly the same this year exactly the same but it's more the race situation I think we all understood it's better to have multiple cards in the race yeah especially in the world championship yeah in our country especially because this year we had the wild myself and philipson uh but then yeah you always have to try because like this also you can you can have multiple race situations where you can react or uh adapt things so but I think uh that year 21 really helped us to become a closer group also the coach learned a lot probably so I think we're only going in a positive line that's also like even if you didn't have the legs to win it's better for a while to use you like you've tried to do in the middle laps in uh Glasgow yeah as to force pogi to close like maybe yeah that did tie a pogi out trying to close you two or three times so and he has the Sprint behind so yeah exactly just you fit actually quite well together you went well yeah of course because especially on on those I mean of course like Glasgow I think it's it's it's clear it was a course for yeah Matthew wells and in my opinion peacock um there's a problem now eh yeah yeah yeah so I think um I was maybe I was a bit surprised that Walt was also attacking that much in the middle part of the race yeah because he could probably have saved a bit more for the the last laps um but of course at that time you know if I go there's always big names following so without it was actually a perfect combination attacking again so the big names couldn't react or yeah we're just too late to react yeah yeah but I think yeah we just try to to empty the tank of all the others but there was just one guy that that his thing just uh didn't empty you crash and you'd still take 90 seconds and exactly you're too good yeah exactly exactly and it was super modified especially with what happened the year before yeah and it was of course that was just yeah perfect for him so I think we have a deserved World Champ this year 2021 in the bin 2022 enters the door in the house we've got lbl victory pretty good like it's not the most important also one of my best deities you know yeah is that one Lopez we got closing that's where Lopez has gotten close in some random thoughts maybe in 20 yeah I think it was Thomas that was there this in 2022 yeah there was a long TT 32k yeah oh yeah a bit actually a bit like it was uh this year not in the beginning small climb I mean one climb technical Daniel run into the Finish is the finish in Tavera where Jacobson won already yeah two times this slightly upload drag but uh yeah it was actually a good seasoner yeah pretty good season then I I didn't even get to finish like the the long list of achievements well I won't name every single race what else he do ta oh yeah fair enough pretty good race like people are always going to be skeptical about oh is that a real grand tour because it's not the tournament they even say it's it's a better field than the Tour de France so yeah everybody should come watch yeah ah I'm pretty disappointed in pogacho always says uh Remco should have uh written didn't he say ramco should have ruined the Twitter he said as well chairman I will always do the tour now it's your turn now you have to say if I was pogacho I would I would have ridden the the world I think it's quite an exhausted no formal if you saw him after the races I think it's uh yeah it has been quite a big fight to go to the tour so yeah I'll leave him alone I'll give him his rest wichita's victories for you was the most like validating because 2021 you came back we already discussed the Jiro at length love and like I wasn't the best year all the time but you were back at a good level at least in Louisville without the huge win which of those victories was the most like yeah I'm back I'm back at the tree I'm back at the trajectory I was before the crash where I should have been where I wanted to get was it liege was it worlds was it the world tour were they all actually different because they're different races uh first but then you know I still had the not super good to Swiss okay but then I was thinking oh maybe I'm still in that up and down period that's whiz that was a that was a covered one yeah right the incredible yeah like uh the lapse in around Lugano yeah uh is that an ice issue on paper it looked a super normal stage quite okay but you know around that Lake super steep shorter climbs technical downhills it was a bit like Largo actually went full of the climb descent the bunch was stretched out for 1K long we didn't enter in good position because we were ready to relaxed we thought it's going to be a you know like just a stage two plus yeah and keep going but then after two laps we got dropped already with four guys uh yeah yeah super early they went the race opened super early as well uh and then yeah completely over here because I think it was like 40 degrees I had the iron helmet you know black on top no no no no no no no no no no no this was uh what was your first reaction if you saw that that's that's new thing we're like oh uh you know when we did the wind tunnel testing we had to wear it separately but of course in uh in the UCR rules you cannot have two things separately uh over the head I think for the helmet so it has to be one one thing that's why the socks you cannot take them off because it's it's part of the helmet oh the sock is the helmet actually you know I didn't know that yeah yeah yeah okay so because some guys they wanted to take out yeah uh the sock but it just you cannot do it it's scissors yeah yeah still you cannot do it because the way specialized it's Enterprise yeah they went to UCI look this is the helmet with the sock inside yeah okay it's approved you have to wear it like that um but I was also surprised that we were going to use a a sock because I thought it was going to be like the Poke helmet you know like the alien helmet yeah yeah yeah which is quite a good helmet probably but then yeah with the sock it was a special and a lot of a lot of learning here yeah yeah um but yeah I think San Sebastian maybe was the victory where I thought I'm back oh really yeah on a lot you were cooking yeah yeah that was really like best 12 30 minutes effort or was it I think 7.3 7.4 or something like this half minutes yeah so that was actually good yeah got my calculator here yeah it wasn't last client either and then murder you also did like nearly seven for uh six seven yeah yeah exactly so that's really why I took a lot of confidence and I thought okay here from this point we can really build towards the world or build more yeah towards the world and then after the world of course I think winning a three-week race um with only having one day of troubles but let's say two the stage 14 and 15 but especially stage 14 yeah where we actually underestimated the climb and they're a sneaky hard yeah exactly because you have like where the work is attacked was like 1K 15 something like that so super steep yeah and on the field of view they were only like yellow and orange parts so we were like oh it's gonna be okay we will arrive with like five six guys together yeah but uh no completely underestimated the climb and the road which went off and I just couldn't answer it um and the day after was a bit better then had a good rest day and then the rest is history when it comes to that felt and when it comes to San Sebastian for example and the years before you've also had like every time you had a clear weakness or something that was a vulnerability he worked on that it's how I'm guessing because it got fixed eventually but so not just for example there was this this thing about oh he can't handle steep climbs and then then there was also after Lombardo crash oh we can't descend for [ __ ] which is also I always saw it as or he can descend well but if something happens in front of him that he's not expecting it was because at that time I was kind of scared to descend in the will okay because I was always thinking oh he's gonna miss the gun I'm gonna go with him and that's what happened in the Jiro 21 where the crash was I completely panicked and just went out of the corner yeah uh nowadays it will not happen anymore because I will always leave like just a few meters in between the back wheel yeah and I will always have the time to react and to feel kind of comfortable I swear there was a corner where Peter yeah because it was certain crawl yeah he sent it yeah completely and I checked the I think I think we were writing Wahoo that year I don't remember well but I checked on the map and it looked like it was like just the fast slightly right bench yeah but it was a it was a 100 Corner yeah it really it turned back and I narrow Danish I probably know it yeah I think he lived around that area so he knew The Descent he was graveling [ __ ] as well green was in the car and he was saying to me be careful there's a dangerous ride Corner coming but I said well I looked at the map where and then we went into the corner straight like not breaking you know but you really had to slow like 15K an hour down because we came down 10 yeah sharp right left I just went straight but I was lucky there was a parking place was again in the hospital at one time yeah yeah yeah yeah again rehab again swimming pool and no but it's true at that like my reaction time because I was just a bit stressed to do the same mistake as in lombardier and get blamed for it again you know and that's actually what was always going on in the descents in my head yeah but now I got rid of that program so that's yeah when it comes to that steepness storyline that narrative was that true as in did you realize okay I'm better at the engine kind of climbing versus the the Steep pinches but then you showed up in that velt and was it was the name of the climb again um then you torched everyone yeah because I was one month in livino trained on multiro almost yeah every training block um so it helps to train on it and now it's kind of a ritual and something that doesn't bother me too much anymore sometimes I have more problem with climbs of four percent than of 14 you know because it's completely different way of climbing yeah and you think like how is it possible it's only four percent but it feels harder than it is on 14 but it's just because you the power you push is it feels easier on a steep climb because you're faster at 400 watts or whatever so but on yeah the fast climbs it's much harder the heart rate goes up and it's so yeah it's uh it's probably also a bit of um muscle loss comparing to my first years so uh all those small things I swear that was like when you were in Tenerife was it start of this year or something you were you were having your training camp there and one of your rides you had that that little steep climb that you end up and down on I don't know where somewhere on the yeah yeah we have to we need the VO2 max trainings uh what's the name you come you come on to the big road then yeah yeah yeah yeah cheers yeah also there is a climb of uh what is it 3K 12 percent especially the first part is super hard so uh yeah that's where we we train it here to Max trainings and then one minute all out uh five minutes all out yeah which I improved this year we saw that that Sprint Improvement as well this year yeah it was that yeah is that on purpose or were you just accidentally started working by a minute sprinting well like in no way you want a small group Sprint you cut off my Australian friend you should have been relegated yeah get the [ __ ] out of here Sprint so had you was your Sprint always in training okay or had you already worked on that like your explosivity a bit and that's something that's just gradually improved and is that something you also like I need to take bonus seconds because okay if Rockledge and poggy take the 10 you still got to take the six in second you can't lose the full ten yeah yeah that's definitely one of the reasons um but I think one of my best prints this year was in Argentina against Eve Lambert yeah I did beat him I did beat him but uh of course I I went one second earlier with two yeah Northern Argentina were crazy when the divider uh but no the Sprints here I think it's we more do it kind of a warm-up before hard intervals okay um but yeah I've actually tried to work on the technique uh also with morkov for example he said like your core is to be more stable really cool the arms yeah uh pull the legs also not only pushing but also pulling and uh yeah it went up quite somewhat uh I think comparing to the Norway's Prince I went up between 150 and okay one and 200 Watts almost yeah for example the Sprint of San Sebastian was plus one thousand two hundred so yeah it's quite uh from my body weight yeah yeah exactly so but I think what my strength I will not have the big peak but I think what my strength is is that even the race is hard the powers will not go down yeah okay and I think it's a bit like uh when alaflip on the bunch pins at that period he was so strong yeah he's also not the guy with oh no I enjoy tonight this year yeah still in Dolphin he's not a guy with 1500 watt Peak but still because he had that much yeah just over that he could Sprint and win and I think that's something that improved with me this year it was Bilbao surprised were you surprised that he came back in front of you under with 1K to go because I was like we discussed this road he rode like he thought he was going to smoke you in this yeah yeah yeah exactly so I don't know why he came over me last kilometer um yeah it's actually a very good question we should ask him yeah you asked me that evening whether I believe that you were going to win but yeah did you believe you're going to win but 10 kilometers to go let's say you go to the line together with Bilbao how how much percent did you give yourself well to be honest I had something left on The Climb I think I could have when Bilbao came over me just before the the fence yeah area I had to wait a bit and just before the fence just give you the full sense till the top and I think then he was gonna get dropped because he was struggling quite a lot on the first steeper Parts um but I don't know there was something in me that said try to Sprint and just see what it gives there was something that said you can beat him okay um yeah yeah it worked yeah it worked I mean so you're out here doing side quests in world two races but I mean it's not it's not really like that because you know as you thought I can be I don't need to risk going over my limit on the climb because I can still win the Sprint I think that's why I was confident because I felt he was going over his limit yeah on the climb and I didn't and that's why on top I was thinking I can go to the line and try and maybe win but for sure it's Bilbao he beats the fastest climbers in the world so yeah yeah yeah it was a big risk but it was worth it yeah and it's good to know now also for the world yeah well and yeah because sometimes well there's gonna be some plants there's gonna be Punchy finishes already second stage is already yeah it's opposite it's kind of obviously yeah it's the same castle area in Barca but back to just a question on the Giro and this goes into the transfers as well which you want to round off with but the Giro big news yeah some news yeah zero stage one you win you smoke Ghana really good TT then you're looking good for sombrone on stage eight roglitch it looked like at the time because no one knew you were sick you got taken by surprise by a rock which maybe he's still even despite you being sick he still did take you by surprise for sure on there do you think if you won that Giro big if but if you won that jira you didn't get covered the whole narrative around the Quick Step Team uh you for the Tour de France next year would be completely different because you'd have well to zero in the pocket and it's really that that code and it's not the team's fault you got covered like that well under the game you know what I mean like do you think that's changed a lot in how the team and you were viewed for grand Tours um I think it would depend in how we would have if yeah we would have wanted yeah we would have won it because if you look at Roger she took the Jersey last day yeah yeah and there was a big chance that I could do it in the same way maybe um so yeah I think it's always fair enough to to bring big names into the team because like this there will be a bit of competition between yeah the domestics and they will all take each other to a higher level yeah and I think that's what we need in this team because maybe at some point some guys were too relaxed like ah we have our spot in The Grand Tour team yeah the GC Grand Tour team yeah and that's why I'm happy with the next things that you will probably say that some guys will come and already one big name I don't know if there's still others coming I hope so so you're you're happy with Lander Cali of course yes and how involved with that are you does the team say we think land is a good fit and you say I agree do you talk to him before as I work well uh there were a few names before okay big names civical exactly yeah uh the plus exactly you guys know of course it didn't work out so I was a bit disappointed at that point because I thought those two if you have those two that you can go to war you know yeah especially on the climbs and you thought we've missed the window now to get a top tier climbing domestic uh yeah at a certain moment I did okay um but I think if you can get a name like Londa it's a very big name a guy that knows how to write grantors yeah he knows how to win Grand tours with his team with through me in the past so yeah I think it's he's uh 33 now which is not too old I think I signed for two years so I think it's uh first of all a very good writer that comes to us a lot of experience for a young team Grand Tour team that we have so I feel like this can be maybe the best move Patrick did for uh this year but it would I think it wouldn't be a life I say that I expect there will be that I hope that there is one more guy that is just from under the level of Landa that can be on that level between Elon and uh you know somebody in between that like Bernard like a like a George Bennett or something yeah I also heard this but yeah let's see if it happens to be honest it's difficult to find a writer from that category because yes yeah it's it's an expensive Rider from that category or west yeah so people don't realize about sky like those Riders are really expensive and that's how when you have a big budget like Sky dude or like Amber UAE anyos now like you can feel those guys who could go to another team run 9th in GC in a grand tour get paid a lot of money so you got to pay them more to be a domestic yeah like it's hard to find dollars but to be honest if you think to the Future uh for the tour next year we have super strong guys to ride on the flat you have as green Lampard yeah yeah and that's from the level of Luke Rowan those guys you know and uh Nathan van odongs and those guys they can do the same so on that part I'm not worried at all then it's just finding the good balance between the strong climbers and the pure climbers and then the super domestic like sepsis for example yeah yeah and I think we we hope you have found a guy with Miguel now I really believe he he can if because I always think feel like his best years were when he was domestic when he helped in winning room yeah no it's like it's true like Chris looks everyone like unbelievable now let's say he went to another team he he made a level might almost not look as good as it does now where he's shredding it yeah exactly but uh because it is different yeah the Atlanta came third in the jira last year yeah 18 months ago came third in flesh this year I did super super season but secondly no no I don't know what that means but okay he was and he was like top 10 in like four different stage races I think they were bad so that's recent everyone I think he raised they let him race too much in the first part of the season I think that can be a big reason why the tour wasn't and I think he was too hyped up for the bask start in the tour probably as well there's quite a few uh Bahrain riders that wrote a lot here I think Hague Road basically half the calendar yeah every race man crazy he's doing the world he almost finished the Dira actually he went out stage 1817 Jack did he he didn't finish completely I think I can't remember 17-18 something like that yeah I was like maybe you should keep do the world but now um so you okay so yeah the I have Segways into our big question sounds like it will you be riding for Quick Step next year normally yes okay I think it's uh I have a contract till the end of 26. so there's this respectful thing I mean the contract is a contract you cannot yeah just say ah see you bye-bye you know that's not how he goes and the cycling world is not the football world where you can just give 200 millions and yeah yeah get the player or the rider so but I think if if we can just improve a lot of things um speaking about the science Nutrition uh just things around yeah The Grand Tour team I think that we can quickly be on the same level as the uie jumbos and because we have a lot of knowledge in the team yeah yeah um especially us the writers we know a lot how the others work because there's almost no secrets anymore in the bunch oh you're all the same hotels exactly you can exactly you just know everything yeah for example we have a swan year coming from ineos okay he just gives all secrets you know I mean that's how it goes yeah I mean if you win the feeding when how they do the feet what's in the feedback uh the biddons uh how to make the rice cakes yeah which is a big difference from what it was last year with us okay so you know all those small things just can really help us to do it to get to the top level so yeah there's a there's a Axiom of esma video analyst available yeah yeah no but I just I believe we really can I think we just need to improve that the level still a bit of The Grand Tour team okay um and but that's what I said if there's competition in between domestics the the level will go like any other side making a tour of friends when they were scared like making their Twitter Friends team yeah was like the hardest thing inside yeah yeah of course yeah that's how we should maybe it's not how it should be but it should come closer yeah yeah to know that your role you're not just going to walk into the teams and you just want to go with the guys that are at the best level at that moment there's a question we've been asking ourselves a few times and maybe you've got an answer to that is we've always questioned maybe it's because he has other goals throughout the season but why osgan hasn't been coupled more into the GC team because you said it when it comes to the flat number stick he's good but I swear he's he's also climbed well in his history like you can't write strategy on on being a [ __ ] no [ __ ] uphill Rider but also I swear I'm Ginger of California in his younger years so the talent is there the quality is there and maybe he can be like uh what do you say like a B Tech quote for not we'll just start roll [Laughter] yeah exactly that's how I see him as well and uh to be honest I asked uh to have put a zero okay everything went wrong with the covet but to have uh Julian and guys like Casper or if okay but they are the classic periods all three of them so they were a bit worried this can [ __ ] up their season completely okay but then I said yeah but we go to the Jiro to win it yeah so there's only one goal and you know with going to the tour next year that changes everything then it's like okay we go to help yeah and not for winning a stage yeah and stuff like that because for example Julian is some somebody I believe in 200 if he has that level and I feel like he really likes to work for a victory because he just maybe feels that he's not on that top top level anymore to win himself but like San Sebastian he just empties himself for me completely all that last prayer is running exactly he was unbelievable that's what I mean but if he can do this next year in the tour as well yeah I mean then you're also speaking about the super domestic yeah and you can climb also very well like uh touring he climbs better when he's relaxed but he's not going for his when he's in the Breakaway doing Julian he wasn't he wasn't too smart he's here but yeah he let go one or two stages probably if he would have been a bit smarter yeah yeah if you picked a stage and if he him and asgaren didn't work properly together trying to get into the brain like Julian he was he was empty by the time the break was formed yeah true um but yeah I believe in him to be honest as a climbing the Mystique okay he's lightweight he has the power yeah um he can have his super days and in the off days also like the super domestics have actually yeah yeah so I feel like if he's on level and on top level that he can be one of the maybe 10 best climbers in the world if he wants not to till the Finish Line yeah yeah mistake for sure I think so we've spoken about the team and the development of the team and how they can get better and how they can support you better also next to the next to the race itself but if we take a look at you versus the other climbers and the Peloton if you had to like make a short ranking of how you see roughly the other GC riders in the world and maybe want to roughly place you somewhere on that tier list how do you see it right now the environment so I have to give the you can take yourself out if you want yeah yeah how do you see like is that I think tour Jonas is absolute number one on his own tier with tour pogachar okay with good preparation tools okay yeah okay I think those two are really just bit out of the league yeah under that I would say it's Primos and then I would also still say G is there because at the age of 36 no yeah 36 becoming second in the zero with only 14 seconds of differences a year before exactly it's super impressive and I think a lot of people forget that because you always have the battle of yeah yeah exactly um I think Almeida is also like four or fifth in that rank okay and I think I use and Rodriguez are coming yeah um yeah like this here also I was quite surprised by Jay hindley he did a pretty good tour in my opinion the winning stage taking the yellow um because uh I remember the UAE stage we did 20 minutes almost seven watts per kilo on jabala feet yeah yeah he was he dropped me yeah he got help from the motor well it could be fair halfway to climb he switched with his brother and that's why ah yeah he puts the catcher under pressure on her feed you exactly that's what I mean I think Adam is also enough super high level it's uh but also racing quite a lot this year now energy Catalonia where he crashed hard in stage one yeah yeah yeah there was a nasty Crush yeah 70k an hour 75 bikes flying around but you know there's so many good GC Riders you almost forget to mention something because Hindi as you said Henley on his day on on the right parkour yep if you're having a weak moment say you crashed three days before like in the world to last year he can hit you and like exactly there are guys I know you so could improve even like girl yeah say there's a course with no TT yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah if you have the what was it the Tour de France of two years ago there was like if I don't know was a tour without any TT or with a real climbing TT up with plaster belfina yeah yeah I think in that Tour de France he could do third last year no or two years ago no that's two years 20 20 or three years ago already yeah yeah I think in that year we could have done Podium for sure with that in that tour especially with the numbers he's doing now model will probably also come yeah depending on uh how he develops if we had to put Remco in the ranking that he made I give it to you I'm not gonna answer this and Thomas but the difference between the trees okay yeah yeah I think so as well but I think the difference between you and Rolex is that I don't believe Rockledge will step up anymore well I believe that you will step up again but he said he never had a good preparation as he had now so yeah you can smash everybody in the next three weeks we'll see if it's true yeah but you know Primos is such a is a special ride you know it's like yeah mentally unbreakable almost and when you see his face you think he's gonna drop in five minutes yeah five minutes he just drops you and then you're like what the [ __ ] so it's you just cannot predict him some guys you can see on the face for example for myself I'm oh you can see exactly like when I start to move too much with the body when I start to I know there's a few things that you can see in a few moments he will drop but with Primos you just you don't have it you don't know what to expect like the stage like you mentioned for some Rooney yeah I was thinking he's not gonna do anything he's sitting quite always in our wheel not doing anything in one moment sends two guys to the front really smash it completely on a small kicker yeah right full till the bottom of the climb but I'm on the bottom we'll attack another oh no 11 minutes of horrible suffering yeah we were doing a live watch along live stream at that moment and we were like oh but I'm staying on 10 meters for the for the first x amount of time but yeah at that day I felt something was wrong with my body because yeah normally I went to Israel almost and then we took the sharp left turn with like 500 minutes to go to the yeah yeah you're only on two seconds exactly I was I was coming closer yeah and I really had the feeling I still have a extra push I gave that push came closer finished just the legs completely empty yeah and that was strange because normally in my best days I should just go to his wheel or maybe you're on this on an explosive climb like this just try to drop the others myself oh yeah you want like age yeah exactly that's what I mean and it was two weeks before so the goal was if there is racing on we tried to drop them and go like descent write a small t to the to the finish and see what happens yeah yeah all the way around well I think he I think he also like ineos on that stage they sent it on stage because they'd he got dropped by our Maid of stage 16 and Thomas yeah and then there was a stage that we were really looking forward okay but we had actually a plan for bondon estate okay it was a hard stage 5000 meters elevation in like 160 K's but then there was an easy day and then the next day I think former loyal someone or someone went up to ineos the first client and said Rogers is dropping but then him and Coos were just chilling yeah yeah another split but then they did nothing and then the last climb I don't know where Coos just sends it again and then I think I made it was just completely taken aback again what the [ __ ] um but it would have been better if we saw everybody oh of course yeah yeah that would have been it was in he was flying then yeah the TTS exactly beat him with two seconds okay I'm sick but still two seconds from till you expect on a TD like that I can give him half a minute yeah at least and if there was a pacing plan actually to win the plan was to have like around 30 40 seconds because it was completely flat and quite a technical finish yeah yeah the last 6K you couldn't gain any time anymore right so we thought about like 30 40 seconds would be great yeah and we were on a schedule after time check one but Thomas lost this lost it in one of the right hand Corners they told him to slow down too much yeah yeah well right in the in the village is the right hand the cobbles yeah too much I think that's where he lost it thanks G yeah thanks the car he was he was like I think he knew he could have gone focused through it but you never know with those yeah the cobbles it was like Sienna oh okay yeah Stones I don't know they're not real cobbles it's even slippery when it's dry yeah worst case you end up with the same scenario as in the Belgian NCAA IDT where you're floating into the ditch how did you feel afterwards as in do you actually feel terrible as a consequence of all the mud or because I was spinning like [ __ ] I mean it was horrible all the mud the water it was raining the whole day like I found the sun yeah yeah I really smelled like a pharmacy after a big day of work yes so yeah it was a I was just too confident because I had a really good feeling that day be the same feeling like that in the world yeah uh during the whole day preparation the warm-up but just too confident we took the ray tires just to have that bit more grip but it doesn't mean that you can go 10K an hour faster so I uh we checked on the training piece I went into the corner 48 kilometers an hour in the wet I think you would even go out of the corner with the cars yeah it was pretty uh too much confidence so I'm assuming two next year you already said that makes a big difference with the classics guys can come with you to the tour are you gonna do the classics Are You Gonna Do tour of Flanders or any of the warm the lead up races yeah I'll say if the team's not been good in the classics this year no compared to previous years and but also I feel like the first two Classics Races they weren't necessarily anticipating the race as much as they were riding as if they were still quick step towards the favorites Landers was better with asgarden getting in that pedestal right that was a change of tactics but yeah leading the Breakaway was also already a good move yeah just do not have to control the race but exactly um I would like to but not too many uh okay I will always stick with liesh I think that's fair enough if you win it twice yeah you want to win it three times ten times yeah being record holder it's uh so but yeah I think it's going to be a big big discussion about that um it's risky but I I would yeah I would love to write Flanders I think I know the rose because yeah I trained there yeah quite often okay I don't know the rose in racing um but let's let's be honest the last two laps of quartermont the positioning is pure power also almost because the race is so long um but yeah I think um it's always going to be a risk you know in if something happens like look a poggy yeah yeah I think he did maybe too many Classics at a certain point yeah because you increase the risk of crashing as well while you also as well you do seven Classics you're probably gonna crash once yeah and he did yeah unfortunately which wasn't his fault because now that it looks like it's a battle but the probability is it will happen for sure for sure the pothole that was there I had to jump over really and he was sitting five positions behind me and then you just you like the the explosion of the tires but um if I would do any Classics I think it will be maximum three yeah okay like extra you know okay inside those three yeah okay so not but maybe four well that's kind of like I mean it's strange because like a San Remo is also a classic but it's it's not a Flanders classic it's uh it's a different classic but if we speak about Flemish classics want to yeah Max three not more okay about Barry obey for a second no yeah for context for context he wrote Peru Bay Juniors yeah in 2018 yeah and you broke your steer first if I recall yeah because that was the I received the bike from the Quick Step Team the Ruby bike the uh in the front and uh something happened the The Handlebar you suspended fully yeah yeah The Handlebar just flipped around completely I thought it was broken it wasn't I just I actually should have continued on that bike yeah because the handlebar was just flipped around which probably happens with 50 riders in Ruby yeah um switch bikes took the the Ridley bike of the national team I think it was like eight bars in the tires it was like this so like moscon in 20 in yeah bevel flat front back same time really incredible then uh the team car just they lost me Took the Wheel out threw it away that was so so yeah I was like the entire way I walked till the end of karfu library and there was a free case yeah it's 2.5 something like this and then uh saw me and gave a wheel of his bike of his race bike and he gave me the win I said yeah you have to come get it in the village room afterwards yeah no problem I will come and then he came to take it special story rebay is such a lottery and we saw that with like yumbo this year super frustrating like exactly yeah two in a group of five oh they were for sure they were going in two to the to the fellow drum now we're getting to October we arrive in October Tour de France route announcement Cobble State recovered larger on stage five did you skip the tour or do you do it you don't think no not not would that be twice in three years they went there would be a lot no yeah it'll wait more years to be honest I mean it's I understand it's um kind of exciting for the the people that are watching but to be honest in the bunch it's horrible it's like the yeah exactly but it's like the the stratus stage in the zero yeah which is in my opinion not as bad as a cobble stage okay but uh yeah it's it's maybe it's a bit unnecessary in The Grand Tour yeah for the extra stress for the extra chances that another GC Rider crashes out is bigger yes and then your third week is because the iso then they're like well then if our third week is bad because imagine poggy didn't do this tour it would have been so bad this year yeah well imagine poggy or Jonas crash in stage two and they're out yeah like and that's kind of what happened in 2021 yeah like rock the child boring tour they might have stirrato next year because they had it in the Tour de France fan last year and they used Stephanie in the Tour de France fan because they had the climbs of the Tour de France fan that was stage 20 this year so maybe this Dorado I don't know that's my guess all right we'll do quick fight [Laughter] it's not too bad I'll ask fold it for you no yeah they were they're chill they're chill just watch the women's highlight videos yeah but still yeah it's it's always a bit of extra stress which is yeah but yeah and you can't win the Tour there either no no no you can only lose it yeah exactly you can only lose it quick fire whilst the first three videos on your Tick Tock for you page if you scroll no I'm not on Tick Tock really okay Instagram reels then uh uh what would be the first three things topics recycling just like a mixtape yeah yeah yeah uh things about music techno music that's like no more heart Style music okay probably and uh football okay it's a lot of sports yeah favorite song at the moment at the moment uh it should be uh way there because I have too many I have too many name a few random ones uh Randy intoxicated okay uh disturb um magnetism uh for Tylenol sleep and many more okay by the the French chorus remix it's It's banging yeah yeah yeah I did it for a sub Goose mixtape the techno remix is really good okay I've got some Tick Tock ones for you if you have to steal a specific strength of one other Rider like an attribute of another rider in the Peloton I wish I could do climb like him or do this like him what would it be from which Rider um I know the answer but I won't help you know the answer the correct answer yeah it's difficult because I want a bit of everybody you know like I want a bit more of Ghana when a bit more of pogi a bit more of Jonas it's yeah it's difficult but go on tell me would you like the technique of thunderpool oh of course yeah yeah that would probably make a difference sometimes yeah because peacock kind of has that yeah um and that's why you said you thought World suited him a lot yeah it is not true yeah maybe some yeah some really good better bike handler do you believe in GC Pitcock random question that I just threw in because he has to change he would have to focus on it probably yeah I don't think mountain biking and GC goes together especially in grantus yeah uh yeah I think we should believe in it but it's not going to be easy yeah um yeah the tantral capacities I think some other there's better writers than him yeah but the rest he has no I think uh but I was still a bit surprised that he cracked a bit this year um second week third week yeah with yeah but he said he wanted to go for GC yeah but he took three he told me three weeks off Jesus tour France prep to do the xco preparation and it's it's why one of them is a one-hour anaerobic effort and it's just mate this guy took five weeks of his Giro prep to do some rehab thank you exactly which which victory has given you the most personal satisfaction of everything of everything yeah um what if you're responsible like a football match from on the left that could be uh to be honest the TT of last week really really was so much preparation into that the helmet the bike just everything YouTube channel the YouTube channel um so I must say the TT really was a big one because okay you know I think I did three years of Worlds yeah uh second third third year where is the first when you know where's the golden metal and then you see the chorus you think we might have a better chance here than last year and then you start to think about wheel set gear yeah the helmet which was made for the world of DT last year yeah but also suited very well on this TT length of the shoulders of the T of the shirts yeah yeah yeah yeah but I must admit the one of Caster is a bit too short it's it's my big arms you know yeah it's the bodybuilder yeah I read it I read it but I met from holiday so maybe I just I blew up a bit you know yeah yeah it happens to me I go back to Australia and I yeah I'm slightly out of GC shape yeah yeah yeah don't worry I'll get there 2027 oh Jesus I'll be old man I read I read to me this morning that your your skin is more Arrow than the skin suit is that true or is that [ __ ] is the the lower arm okay because I take a lot of wind on my hands and my arms and the helmet uh which then goes over but I almost take nothing on my upper arms yeah because my hands are just in front of it goes off yeah so here it should be as clean as possible so that's why I shave my arms every day before the TT and right me too to have Arrow podcasting going on I don't know how I got scarring on Swift which non-cycling athlete do you look up to the most isn't it uh Usain Bolt fault a bit of show and a bit of you know it was always there when the moment chicken nuggets yeah yeah exactly I thought it would be LeBron yeah yeah because you're like you are like LeBron because you're coming you're coming right a bit smaller no no no no no he skipped College he went straight from high school to NBA okay and then whatever he's done nice comparison well no because yeah I feel honest whatever you do is never gonna be good enough when you're like hit the high P hard is just insane and then he's ended up having a normal family yep not drinking not drugs yeah if you think about it Kobe actually also huh Kobe okay in the past you know the word determination yeah um you know people don't know but behind the scenes I know if you want to win races you have to work a lot you have to work hard yeah yeah and it's also something that is into my body already since I was born probably so I really like to hurt myself on training and push the limits well that's why you're here in Andorra I guess exactly yeah for only 10 days our last question the big one why'd you start a YouTube channel and is this well um so I have my social media team around me I guess uh Sports Plus media but nobody will get to them that's only for me no something they uh they also work with some football players professional football players basketball players um but I asked them that I could be the only one in cycling with them because they do quite beautiful and special things uh website with all the fire and so forth yeah when I saw it I didn't know I liked it or not it was so spectacular yeah yeah yeah merch one don't speak Spanish in the team uh uh yeah but in the end they came to the race to make videos but like the Instagram reels which are only one minute now they can be longer I guess yeah yeah but it's better for the algorithm if it's better for the algorithm if the if there's 60 seconds exactly so they came like full days to the 80 days whatever for only 50 60 seconds right so I told them look if you guys put so much work into the small videos yeah why don't we try to okay film the whole day and you do the small video but you also make a bigger and longer video and we try to put it on YouTube and see what it gives and brings and the first video was quite a success I checked yeah uh this morning is it 20K yeah it was good almost tutorial yes now so on five days it's it's quite big yeah it's like and yeah it's like well edited but also your personality comes into it and like it's not corporate too much yeah no but that's what we want to achieve for example ever drop Style we're actually more kind of information yeah things giving away okay uh not too much without results of course because otherwise it would not be I mean would not make sense yeah yeah but for example we're going to shoot here A Day in the Life yeah okay on the Long training right so the people can see what I eat on a day what do you do on training uh is it is it nice is it boring whatever you know a day in the life that's what they ask yeah to film um so stuff like that probably also there will be some videos a bit more out of context of cycling yeah so what I do in free time for example or uh well my for example with the music that I just said yeah if I want to go to like a kind of a are you not really a festival but yeah some you know something like this when there's an event and I would go to it yeah they come with me they film it and then I just yeah I mean just a bit of everything and nothing but it's more to give the people a bit of a few behind the scenes and how it actually works because yeah racing is racing but there's a lot of things going on behind it yeah and a lot of people involved that might not be highlighted as much for example I like people know compel him works with you yeah yeah but I didn't know that's what he did exactly I didn't know he was that she thought he was Belgian yeah no he's disappointed he's a Dutch living in Belgium's keeping their taxes like machiave so basically what you're saying is that we can claim them as well wait a Belgium building tax rates are cool yeah it doesn't work yeah I've paid so much money for taxes man in Belgium I don't know why they do it yeah did you ever think about moving to Monaco for sure yeah and Spain right and even heroes yeah we have something in Spain but uh it's not it's not the best uh Spanish tax racer yeah yeah yeah yeah but that's also why I'm here just to see the area a bit Yeah Yeah so maybe we're neighbors next year no probably I will be a bit higher probably I don't know about that you know you shouldn't lift your eye no no no because then you're getting too much altitude dose all the time and then you come back from a race the guys that live up here at 2000. permanently probably but yeah uh yeah oh okay like you get something like a third hole yeah something like this and then okay but yeah you need like uh you have to be at three months 90 days yeah that's quite okay if you combine if you put your altitude camps here yeah pretty easy to do yeah so we'll see okay well good luck with the YouTube if you want any tips then you know we are we're the best in the business at the top of the game did you like it actually the video I watched it I actually thought it was good and I'm a bit of a you know I'm a horrible person so no I've actually thought it was for a first video I was like [ __ ] this is good man yeah yeah but I was actually also because obviously I was there were the day division but I didn't know how are they going to edit it what is it going to be like it looks so boring right they're filming so much nothing is happening all the time and then once they edit he's like wow this is an exciting day for example like the tractors thing is one of the most interesting things to show because yeah yeah there's so many it's like for us it's super boring you just put a new suit you do five minutes of full gas almost yeah you come back from you come down from a track completely dead you have to wait five minutes ago again it's a super boring and long day but then if you see the result behind it on on the video it's pretty cool and I think the people enjoyed it so one thing you should have done was the straight after worlds win combine the really well edited thing piece you know it's like a you're just talking into your phone in the hotel room straight after oh yeah that's like the personal connection you know but we we actually wanted I mean I wanted to bring the guys to the world's TT because we knew there was going to be this video and it would have been cool to have like yeah the results video yeah but we weren't allowed from version cycling really yeah no they didn't want us to yeah to film in inside the team it was a bit yeah all right cool thanks very much ramco good luck at the world thank you very much and any other races you're doing after that yeah okay that's it yeah it's not bad not bad if you can go in the world champion jersey yeah and it's a very nice TT actually yeah okay it's the same course as a two years ago probably overtook me almost all right well good luck with those thanks for the time today and um good luck with the YouTube too the most important thing yeah yeah exactly I don't care about the world anymore it's YouTube man it's YouTube yeah exactly thanks

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Published: Thu Aug 17 2023