The Dangers of Giving Hormones to Kids with Gender Dysphoria

the Joe Rogan experience and now they're telling they're watching these you there these influencers which is another thing you know you have these trans influencers and they promise these girls that if they just go on T everything will get better and the problem what do you think they do that okay so why do they a couple reasons so one is testosterone has certain good effects so it delivers euphoria and it's it suppresses anxiety and anxiety is one of their biggest problems so they go on it and they feel great and they can't wait to tell their friends it makes their period go away and it redistributes fat so now these girls feel like I just beat puberty I feel amazing I want to tell everybody how great I feel and they are brave all of a sudden they're braver and socially bolder the problem is of course what they don't like to talk about online is all the really dangerous stuff that comes with testosterone too like it leads to heart infertility like risk of cardiovascular attack you know a heart attack risk of heart attack was way up there's a you know body hair facial hair don't they want that so I hear facial hair more for now but it's permanent you know a lot of this is permanent can be so what what about when trans women when a man transitions to a woman don't they lose a lot of their body hair stay lose some of it but some of them are I mean everybody's different but some of them are stuck with a five o'clock shadow for life how does a kid know whether they are someone who's being easily influenced and someone who is giving in to this anxiety and you are a part of the way you're describing a contagion amongst your friends versus someone who's genuinely trans like someone who genuinely is born in the wrong body so we have a hundred-year diagnostic history gender dysphoria we know what it is it's not guesswork we know that it is in this whole history it typically presents in early childhood ages two to fours when we see it starting and it was overwhelmingly boys little boys who say no mommy I'm not a boy I'm a girl call me a girl all want to play with other girls only want to do you know play with girl toys and they sometimes they hate their sexual organ I mean sometimes you know it's a severe persistent insistent consistent feeling and and then a lot of them would grow out of it and some of them wouldn't and they would become what we used to call transsexuals now we're seeing an explosion of young women you know suddenly deciding they're trans with their friends and they are doing it in friend groups they'll have a whole friend group of trans kids they are you know doing it after social media emergent transgender adults never did it because of social media and it certainly never won them friends mmm so what about women that were trans likes you see predominantly it's it's boys who wanted to be girls but what about girls who wanted to be boys so that existed too and that also typically began in early childhood and most group most of these kids have left alone would outgrow it so gender dysphoria is something that you know most most kids if they even if they experience the real thing will outgrow and some won't yeah I was reading an article about gender dysphoria they were talking about it first of all even saying gender dysphoria I think is hate speech now I think you're supposed to it's in the DSM I know the whole DSM hate speech yes did you know what I mean everything's hate speech because people are gone they've gone so wacky but they were talking about there was a study done on men who experienced gender dysphoria at a young age and then transition to become gay and just bejust became gay just were gay and they realize like this was just a part of their process and they're happy as a gay man and they didn't transition so that's very typical most of these most of these kids would emerge as homosexual adults that's the thing is this like if we're cool with people being trans and we are obviously we mean especially adults why you know what why is it better that do we like this idea that if you just leave them alone they become game or would we mean our how many of them would be trans if they were encouraged in that direction how many of are they happier this way or that way like the very is a very human problem by human problem I mean there's not really a good answer it's they're human problems are slippery problems where it's like you're developed you like particularly you're talking about young people there we're hijacking their development you're you're deciding okay if you made a decision you know what you gonna do forever all right we're going to jump in now we're gonna stop your reproductive cycle right we're gonna jump in now and introduce hormones that were never in your body and we're gonna well they're a little bit tiny tiny mouths we're gonna jack it up through the roof like Hulk Hogan and you're you're gonna be a different person now and I hope you can make this decision at 17 that will affect the rest of your life I hope you're you're mentally capable of doing that that's how tall order it's a tall order and there's no medical oversight right now there's no Matt I mean we have no idea what long-term testosterone use does to a female's body at 10 to 40 times what her body would normally have okay we don't know we can talk about the risks but we don't know but it's not presented to people as a highly experimental medicine which it is it's not reviewed by an institutional review board they make it sound like it's something you can just sign a waiver for and no big deal why is that why is there no review why is there no oversight why is this so free and loose I mean is it a sign is it a good sign that we're like more progressive now more open-minded and but because of that things have gotten a little slippery in terms of what we celebrate and what we should rationally step back and objectively analyze and say hey is this really the right way to handle this I think one of the things that happen was in 2012 w path which is the transgender health you know organization worldwide organization change to an informed consent model saying that people should be able to get that the drugs they want or you know claim to need on based on their own naissance you sign a form you're aware of the risk and then you get it and the problem was maybe they felt that there was too much gatekeeping as they call it or too much questioning they felt and you know that there were people who weren't getting the medical care they they needed the problem was you had a teen and the age of medical consent varies by state in Oregon is 15 it varies and you hit that age you can you can get it you walk out the door with Oregon it's 15 yeah that's crazy you're not even a fully formed person no and you don't need your parents approval oh my god we were talking before we got on the air about children like really young children transitioning you were saying that most people who transition know when they're very young that is a real that's a hot-button topic for people children and hormone blockers and children I what I keep going to is if you are a woman and you you know you're a woman why do you need to get these hormones injected into your body why why can't you just be a woman oh I'll call you a woman like what what are we doing with all these hormones like why are we complete like imagine you're a person who says I need to transition to be a woman and I know that I need a chemical that I've never had in my body before and if I get that chemical injected then I'm gonna be happy right so I get surgery then I'm gonna be happy this is what I'm supposed to be right so the big problem with this is that you're making all the decisions that normally a doctor would make and you do it right any other area of medicine a doctor makes that they say hold on I know you think you need you know whatever an opioid but just relax let's see what you're you know I mean that's you know effectively what you know what facilitated the opioid crisis doctors just handing over the prescription pad and we're seeing that right now with anybody who claims to have gender dysphoria they get it they self diagnosed they say no no I know it's my problem they don't have a mental health professional who says oh wait a second hold on you have a very high anxiety depression you have a lot of other mental health stuff going on let's deal with that first any therapist who dares to that might violate one of the 19 conversion therapy laws we now have in nineteen different states there's 19 conversions 19 yeah which bands converged so-called conversion therapy even on gender identity which means that therapists could lose our license if they say hold on I know you want to transition I know you think your promise gender dysphoria let's talk about some of your other problems so if you're a fifteen-year-old kid you come to a therapist and you say all my friends are going trans and I think I'm trans to the the doctor has to essentially go with you on this little path you're on the doctors feel that they have to I mean the American the number of Association American Medical Association endocrine society I mean you name an American pediatric society you know all these medical professional organizations most of them have adopted affirmative care which means their job is to affirm the patient's self diagnosis with regard to this one issue I mean they're they're you know it's turning doctors into i dont life coaches right there how much time have we been doing this floor how long is the time period when this really started to escalate the last decade we've seen it fly across the West I mean it's in Canada UK you know Scandinavia we're seeing numbers across the West all of a sudden it's teenage girls it's the very same girls who spread every other you know contemporary hysteria or every other hysteria boy it makes you feel like there's a lot of lawsuits coming I wouldn't be surprised I mean these doc these girls are getting these things so easily in their 15 there's 16 there's 17 there are 18 how many did you interview when you were doing so I I conducted almost 200 interviews so how many teenage girls more specifically I actually don't know I interviewed a lot a lot of people and and a bunch of adolescent girls as well more than 10 more than 20 yeah more than 10 but I don't know I have to have a like spreadsheets for this um did you interview ones that were happy with the transition yeah you know still very young but I you know I interviewed influencers and I interviewed parents and I interviewed adolescent girls some of these girls have you know can stayed with their transition and claim to be happy maybe they are some of them but the problem is if you ask if you find out objective things about their lives right are you still in school or did you drop out alright did you cut off your family or do not do you have friends what's your social life like what's your job do you have a regular job very often the picture is is a dark one it's not a good one isn't that just the case of a lot of people in general though I mean especially people that have the kind of problems that they have to begin with and they make this gigantic decision the question is did this decision of the transitioning help or hurt right and where would they be if they didn't you were talking about them before saying they were already in a dark place they're already awkward teenagers the kind of girls who cut themselves kind of girls were prone to enter X here in witchcraft this is you're dealing with someone who doesn't have a rosy future already right but I think we used to call that Hanks teenage angst I mean they got past it the problem is yeah yeah you're right not everyone but now they're getting they're getting prescriptions they're changing the whole course of their lives so easily with no medical oversight what kind of numbers are we talking about like how many people are doing this okay so the numbers are harder to track in the United States because we don't have centralized medical care and here but here are the numbers that I can tell you okay so generators for you used to afflict 0.01 percent of the population so one in 10,000 people so probably no one you want to high school with but today we already know that 2% of high school students are identifying as transgender and 2% of high school students you're talking about 1.1 million teenage you know high school kids in America 2% 2% and when did this happen most of my girls yeah really most of them are grown most of them are girls really well I mean the number we can just look at the number of gender surgeries and we see that in 2060 between 2016 and 2017 the number of gender surgeries for biological females quadrupled so we know they are the biggest and fastest growing population Wow too that's a stunning number 2% you go from 0.1% of the whole population whole population to 2% of high schoolers and the vast majority of them are teenage girls yeah what what what is the majority talking about 80% like what is the number I don't know but we have to look at yeah every indication and we know that you know I can give you a bunch of other statistics one of the reasons it's hard to know exactly how many aside from the fact that we don't have a centralized control of this is because you don't need an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get testosterone so you just go in and get it you don't need the diagnosis in England where you have a centralized medical care and there you do need a diagnosis they know that the numbers 44 adolescent girls are up over 4,000 percent holy yeah so you knew all this stuff before you wrote the book this is all the numbers that well know it came out in the course of writing it yeah some of that had to kind of affirm your idea that this was a real problem I mean everywhere I looked it seemed to be a real problem it wasn't and nobody wanted to talk about it but it's real well it's because like even when we're talking about I'm like here's a landmine here's a way of mine like everything we're saying like if you talk at all about trans people you run the risk of pissing people off and offending people and staying out you know you're you're you're going into an area where it's unless you are 100% in support of their decision and their rights and you you celebrate them you're gonna get in real trouble right but that's why we have this problem yeah cuz nobody will talk about it because parents will call me and say i I've been Pro LGBTQ my whole life I just don't think this is right for my daughter I can't even talk to my friends about it I'll get fired for my job if anybody finds this out but my daughter's not she's got a lot of problems but gender dysphoria is not one of them like I don't think this is right and I don't think it's gonna cure her and if you have to work and you're at work all day you know how much time do you have to even convince your daughter your daughters with her wacky friends eight hours a day and she's on the internet and the promise her school her schools already filled out a form calling her Jimmy right for a year don't even tell you [Applause]

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Published: Thu Jul 16 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/FoximusHaximus]

What about kids who were genuinely born in the wrong body?

That's called lack of parenting, Joe you drug-addled enemy of truth.

[u/Captain_Warzone]

if your son/daughter came to you insisting they wanted a tattoo on their face because they strongly felt "This is who they are" would you let them? i am guessing not, and a tattood face has actually less physical repercussions than a full sex change, which is not just cosmetic it actually has physical permanent changes that cannot be reversed.

[u/jlenoconel]

Any child being LGBT in any way is child abuse to me, and I say that being gay myself. I had to find out I was gay myself and I'm glad I waited until I was like 16 before I made that final decision. I don't think I would have been responsible enough at a younger age, and no, that doesn't mean I was out doing stuff at 16.