The Current State of Social Media and Marques's Toxic Trait

[Music] all right welcome back to another episode nope that's not how i start this podcast that's not how i start what is going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in today's episode we've got a lot written down we want to talk about this sort of state of social media is one of them it's kind of a little vague but you'll get what we're talking about and sort of what on earth instagram is doing right now it's a lot but also uh some other social media hot takes we're gonna find out why i have an unhealthy relationship with google calendars and a lot of google apps actually and of course wrap it all up with some trivia because that is still probably the most fun we have it's very so yeah first though let's talk about well you have a headline that you wanted to go over so you you can jump i'll toss this in because i read the whole headline and i you saw some brief parts of it but um i'm gonna preface this by saying two things really quick this is about ev tax credits in the u.s so if you're not based in the us this is not applicable to you and this is also a political bill that is in the process of being voted on so it's not through yet and it also is political which we will be avoiding the political aspect of this we just want to talk about what the bill could be changing to evs and buying evs in the us okay something that may be true soon about evs yeah it seems like it's trending towards potentially happening and so the bill that is going through right now is called the inflation reduction act of 2020 it has a lot of stuff in it but we're going to focus on how it's going to change the ev tax credits in the u.s and do you want to give like a really quick overview of how it works now yeah okay so so the ev tax credits you've probably heard a lot in like when people review american electric cars uh about how they say what the price is and then they also say what the price would be after an ev tax credit yeah so basically what the government did was they said okay we want to incentivize people starting to jump on this electric car bandwagon but electric cars are expensive and we need to give them a reason to pick the electric car over the gas car so what they did was if you bought a qualifying electric car uh the government you could you could basically write it off and you would get a 7 500 at least at the beginning credit off of your taxes when you paid your taxes yeah this was like the federal tax credit there are some other potential different sure credits you can get and this is also like you may get up to 7 500 but like the gist of it if you want to do the most basic understanding of it is yeah you could get 7 500 off there's like a discount yeah yeah so everyone would go oh this car it it's actually forty three thousand dollars but after the tax credit it's only thirty seven thousand dollars and it was funny actually tesla on their website do you remember this they they still the the price of the car they still after the tax credit and estimated gas savings and i was like that's not the price if you go right now the default still is under potential savings and it's annoying it's past that so and and for why tesla doesn't do that anymore is the big requirement right now currently is once the manufacturer sells 200 000 units they lose the tax credit is over wasn't it like something slightly more complicated i think you sell once you sell a certain amount of cars let's say your company a you sell a certain amount of electric cars that all qualify for the tax credit then you've run out of the credit and it cuts in half and now you sell a certain number of cars until you run out of the half size credit and then you sell more cars under and it just tapers off i don't know exactly what that is but at 200 000 there's no tax credit so right now it runs out yeah it runs out tesla um toyota and gm do not have tax credits right now you may be wondering about toyota this also counts for plug-in hybrids as long as the battery is a certain size so tesla gm toyota in the us right now have no eligibility for tax credits yeah so there are certain new companies who are just beginning to sell electric cars who are still in their phase of their cars are discounted yep okay um so this new plan um i'm gonna go over kind of the new regulations on what would be eligible for a tax credit and it still is you know up to 7 500 um so let's see i'll just go over them really quick and we can kind of then go over how this changes the landscape um so let's see evs need to be built in north america to be eligible for the tax credit um i don't know what the exact term built exactly means here assembled manufactured all that like can't have imports i don't know exactly that but right now it just says built in north america um if you have a personal income of 150 000 or a household income of over 300 000 not eligible um this i really thought was cool discounts occur at time of sale rather than on a tax refund from the next year that's sweet that's really cool um but the biggest thing on here that i think changes the landscape a lot is that cars have to be under 55 000 and trucks suvs and vans under 80 000 to be eligible okay so they're really shrinking the eligible cars they're shrinking and expanding a little bit if you think about it uh on one hand they're starting it over they'd be starting it over there's there's no 200 000 limit anymore oh for for now i don't know you know when did this potentially ends it is the bill of 2022 does it last till the end of 22 i don't know that part quite yet but sure i think it makes sense because instead of just blanket going hey your first 200 000 whatever they are they will all be discounted i think they're uh fine-tuning those that will really benefit from it obviously having a salary under a certain number and having a car cost under a certain amount because if you're out here buying a 150 000 electric car and you have a high salary you don't really need to benefit from that government incentive i'm going to take one of the examples i have to to uh to go off of that is the take hand yeah they take in like sure seventy five hundred dollars off would be great but chances are it doesn't affect that yeah you're gonna buy that car either way where this 7 500 could be completely the deciding factor exactly for something it's it becomes a more obvious incentive yeah i think the person buying the thai can would take him was going to get it anyway i'm probably saying it wrong they were going to get anyway it's not a real incentive but the people who are like actually on the fence of deciding well these cars are about the same price and one of them's electric and one of them's not the incentive actually matters when the price gets knocked down by 7500 so that's i guess the point of it and why it makes sense to me but you're right it does change the landscape now because you said assembled in north america i'm just going to go by what i i said built in north america i'm going to i'm going to adjust that because what i think they mean by built in north america is it's mostly assembled here like the plant yeah there might be some raw manufacturing of materials and things like that but they ultimately put it together in north america i would guess that as well because i'm going to assume i believe it's the mock e has some parts manufactured somewhere else but the plant and the manufacturing is in america and i'm going to assume the maki is probably one that will qualify you sure it's a small number actually that will qualify off the top of my head the mustang machi they make these here surprisingly that has not hit its 200 000 limit yet which i'm kind of surprised that because that car is wildly popular but i think that's good because i bet it will hit that number fairly soon especially with lightning coming out as well yeah i was going to say remind me the prices again because i was going to say rivien r1t but it will not so trucks suvs and vans have to be under 80 000. so that's also because like it starts at like 76 so is it is 76k then it'll qualify don't know exactly with how wait and vivian put its prices up though is that 76 still 76 or i don't think it is anymore okay i'm going to assume rivien despite being american built is not going to be most part of this because they're very expensive okay okay so that's too expensive so then f-150 lightning that's assembled in america right and texas quite a few of the models should be in there and they're going to be low enough priced so as long as your salary is low enough that will be one of them um and then tesla model three and maybe a model y i think the y should count as an suv it's an suv so that's going to be under 80. yeah i i wonder in this scenario of like what the defining factor of an suv will be because crossover has hit this point where it's just like yeah the range of where like sid like hatchback goes into crossover goes into like small suv goes into suv is a crazy they're gonna have to define that i but that is interesting though because here's another thing like that happens sometimes is at least has been accused of happening is manufacturers will bump up the price actually this this might be different in the past when you still paid full price for the car but then had to apply to get the money taken off your taxes manufacturers would bump up the price by several thousand dollars because they knew that people were counting on getting the discount but now it's occurring at the time of sale so the company selling it doesn't actually get the money so maybe the price is because i was thinking oh do not like model three in the past all right the price has been going up going up going up trickling up and you would always just sort of subtract seven thousand dollars in your head because you know you're getting that money back later and so tesla would take advantage of that and keep bumping the price up a little bit because they're going to get that money anyway and you're going to get the money back from the government but now with this new thing if it occurs at time of sale it sounds to me like the company is not going to get that money and it's just happening on the spot and they won't be able to take advantage of it i'm going to assume it's pretty much going to be the same thing except rather than the customer getting the rebate later the company is going to get the rebate later from the government like if this is a federal tax incentive i'm going to guess that like still has to involve the government yeah tesla's not going to lose 7 500 on the sale they're going to get that later interesting rather than and that it's basically like us getting it later yeah as the taxes there's a lot of just me thinking out loud and not actually knowing how this is no this is us thinking out loud there's very little but um yeah let's go down a couple of some of the like most popular evs we're seeing in here and see if they will get included in this again if it passes not past yet we don't know if it will pass it seems like it's trending towards that but i just want to look at this three and y i think should be eligible for that they have not been eligible since 2018 i think bringing it back bringing it back that's awesome it's too expensive too expensive both of those are too expensive um the chevy bolt should come back because it is it is general motors um and they they lost their credit so they didn't before and that is definitely under 55 000 so that should come back um maki we mentioned before definitely should be totally fine rivian's american but i'm pretty sure it's too expensive maybe the base maybe the base model yeah um we mentioned take anti-can already no here's where i get kind of upset also tikan's porsche's germany it's german as well that's not it it doesn't fit at all in that bill cars like i think my two favorite and the evs i think that are like being very hyped up and changing a lot right now is like the ev6 and the ionic five yep both assembled in south korea so these will not be part of the tax incentives whereas of if you're buying one right now it's in that two hundred years so you would be getting it so they would lose that the potential yeah they would lose that um and then also along with like if you really think of a lot of the places making evs right now volvo toyota subaru nissan all of them have announced them really recently or just come out with some all of those would lose it japan belgium yeah everything like that like not us so for the companies who are making it it potentially hurts their u.s sales a little bit specifically and like you said i've seen a lot of ionic fives and ev6's out there we are currently testing an ionic five and it's it's super sick and as soon as you start driving it you realize how many are also around you you start seeing them everywhere it's one of those things um and so maybe i i imagine a lot of people who are getting that car are also actively taking advantage of that tax disc discount so yeah that'll be curious to see how it affects specifically u.s sales of those models um do i think it changes the landscape of like the porsches and the hummer evs of the world the 80 thousand dollar plus eevees that people are just gonna get anyway not really no i think they're still gonna have a market for them but yeah as far as adoption that's what we're most concerned about and it's also such a crazy market right now cars are just expensive right now yes which i kind of want to toss out here and i just looked at it right now the model 3 rear wheel drive is 46.9 the model 3 long range right now starts at 57 nine so actually that's too expensive wouldn't be it and it's also like not enough over to where do you think you could potentially if this passes see the model 3 drop down to meet the requirement and then because at this point right that would incentivize more people to buy end if you drop it down to oh i see if you're saying what is it 55 so if you drop it down to like 54.99 and then they would be getting so you're saying because i imagine no i guess no yeah i was imagining like tesla sees uh the 55 000 price line show up and they don't i don't really see them lower their price actively very often so i imagine they'd be like oh bummer you have to pay full price but that's interesting you're saying they might lower it to 54.9 so that people see that and go oh i'm gonna get a discount and they'll buy that car more often yeah like is that three thousand dollars worth the what a user would be seeing as at that point ten thousand dollars because it's three thousand dollars cheaper plus seventy five hundred dollars i'm sure they'll do the math i'm sure they'll do i'll be interested to see what that does otherwise we're gonna see a lot of rear wheel model threes i think sure for sure it works works for me yeah no i think at the end of the day we do want to see more affordable evs and i remember when i when i asked elon remember the interview one of the questions i had was like all right you've gotten to maybe a thirty thousand thirty five thousand dollar lowest end baseline model 3. is there a world where there's a 25 000 ev in the future something interesting you said is one of the top five most frequent trade-ins for model 3 is a prius right yeah uh which starts at you know 20 something thousand dollars and they obviously have massive economies of scale do you think there's room i mean tesla has model 3 model s and road stirring up is there room for possibly an even less expensive quality electric car experience um yeah absolutely um i think i think in order for us to get to like let's say ultimately getting like a 25 000 car um uh that's uh that's something we could we could do but it's probably if we really work really hard i think maybe we could do that in three years and like every year since that interview there's been some article written about how tesla's eventually gonna make like a 25 000 model 2 or something like that and it just seems like that gets further and further from possibility as the market gets more and more difficult to make cars in like supply chains crazy the car market is crazy the lowest end model 3 you can get is well over 40 grand it's like i don't see a quality 25 000 ev happening anytime soon so the fact that we are still trying to get there and incentivizing it and hopefully something like this can pass and be good that'd be nice yeah evs they're expensive that's a fact they are very expensive yeah all right well before the next segment let's take a quick break for trivia because it's been a minute we had mark rober on last time we didn't get to do trivia it was a fun interview but that was missing so let's get back into the trip i haven't done trivia in two weeks i was that was very fun to listen to i was listening to it on a car ride and it was very entertaining sick all right trivia so just a reminder of what the score is sure marquez has three and drew has two and david also has two because he got to play i can't believe i'm still in this i think a week i think what we were going to do i think ellis and i were talking about it is do like a points per game type of thing so we can see that's cool are we still going to be missed last week and david will probably miss a bunch so yeah but his points per game might still be really good yeah okay but andrew answers first because he's technically because he's down okay go for it all right so the first question is actually multiple choice okay i love these so what was the first physical video format that was able to contain interactive special features is it a laserdisc b blu-ray or c dvd yeah we'll get back to the to the trivia answers right after this actually no that's at the end of the episode but we'll get back to the episode right to this [Music] all right welcome back i kind of want to talk about social media i have this listed as the state of social media kind of like how we used to always go over the state of 4k but like yeah recently on like twitter and all over the news everyone's complaining about instagram and i'm fully on board with it but i mean like i've seen it to the point like uh why can't i remember the cadet kylie kardashian jenner jenner kylie jenner yeah i'm an idiot i'm sorry okay um she's the biggest account on instagram right now yeah right posted about how instagram's terrible and one of actually we looked it up recently one of the biggest one of i thought easily one okay yeah um so anyways instagram's making a lot of changes recently and a lot of people i think every friend group i have i've heard someone complain about instagram recently and i just kind of like let's let's take a minute let's talk about some of the different social media sites out there there's a lot of different little tidbits in the news about all of them let's kind of rank them a little bit and let's go over how we use them and what we like and what we don't like about it i have an idea okay i have an idea let's i'm going to do a tier list okay i'm going to do like tiers for each of them that's a great eclipse title but each one of them i'm going to give a tier based on if i am a creator on that platform and if i am a user of the platform i like that a lot so might it might be different for each one so let's just let's start from you want to start from instagram let's start instagram it's what everyone's talking about right so everyone's complaining that uh you're getting all these posts in your feed that are from accounts you don't follow there are videos all the time which is random stuff i keep seeing them i keep hitting the little x it's so annoying how often they pop up yeah um but that's the main complaint do you remember when you couldn't upload to instagram at all you could only use the camera and post what you took in the camera i don't remember that the beginning of instagram was you opened instagram and you hit the camera button and it opened your camera and that's what you had to post and then maybe you could add a filter after and then it was a huge deal when you could upload a new picture to instagram that was a big step and then there's another step where you could start adding videos and we went through the whole igd igtv thing but that worked great at its core instagram was just pictures i like that i like saying the core like what is the core of this the core of this was you you follow people that you're interested in pictures of your friends and you want to see what they're up to through pictures sure now we'll get to facebook later but i actually could make an argument that that's never what instagram was about but that's what we that's what we like to feel like instagram is about pictures of your friends right yes so now it's like they're shoving you things in our face the explore page is just chaos it's reals it's all the stuff i don't care about but they're just putting it in my home feed stop it i would say as a user of instagram which i am instagram is like a it's like a b tier right now okay at this very moment if they change nothing it's like b-tier it's kind of getting annoying but we still use it people still post stuff photo dumps or a thing reels or are interesting as a creator instagram is actually a tier okay it's a tier but it's not s tier you already know what's s tier yeah instagram is good for posting things and getting them fairly predictably seen like if you know you want your video to be seen you make a 60 second or less vertical version of it and put it in reals and it will be seen that's just the way instagram works right now it's also adam missouri for as much as he gets roasted on twitter very transparent and open about what they're doing on instagram i did not like i think his last um so he got torn apart on twitter about a week ago because he had to make a statement about all of this in fact i think they rolled a few changes back or maybe they just rolled back the testing they were doing it was like a full screen small test um but he he basically he mostly said now i want to be clear we're going to continue to support photos it's part of our heritage and i love photos i know a lot of you out there love photos too that said i need to be honest i do believe that more and more of instagram is going to become video over time we see this even if we change nothing we see this even if you just look at chronological feed they have the data it's hard to argue that but a lot of the stuff he made it sounds like this is what we're seeing going forward and this is what you want this is where we have to go and it all just felt like this is how we're making the most money on it and i didn't love it a lot just because it felt like i hated that he was giving all these like weird little ways to kind of fix it by like if you really want to see what your friends are up to add them to your favorites it's like i've got more than 10 friends i would not like to do it that many times or like you can snooze them but you can only snooze recommend recommendations for 30 days so every month i have to snooze recommendations again that's terrible and we want to promote small creators by putting them in the recommended page so more people can find them it's like cool you have a tab right next to my homepage that does that already and i actually really enjoy that tap there's a lot of really great stuff on there and they do recommend a lot of stuff so this is probably where we have to talk about tick tock because okay pretty much all of the changes that instagram has been making are a response to tick tock and or a copy of what tick tock is doing so well so when we say that like you for example you have the group of people you follow and if you ever want to explore and see new stuff i'll go to the explore page that's fine well guess what tick tock's doing right now eating everyone's lunch and all they show you is stuff you don't follow the non-default is switching to just who you follow but it's by default it is exploring new things by swiping it does put your follows in there the funny thing is is i almost never follow anyone anymore because it's so good at just finding the things that i've that i enjoyed and then i feel like i'm following those people already so your your default and tick tock is just like whatever it's recommending you yes and they are killing it as far as engagement enjoyment discovery of content if you're a creator and you upload there it just gets found by the right people because the algorithms are that good and so instagram's seeing us and they're like if we don't start to recommend things more like tick tock is tick tock's just gonna pass us they're just gonna take all the people that we've been like serving this entire time and they're just gonna pass us and beat us so if we just go hey if you want that experience there's a separate thing over here they've tried that before like igtv was a thing it was a separate app that died like any time they tuck something behind literally one button press they know it gets less use so they realize that they have to start interrupting the normal instagram experience to be more of what they want people to do more which is discover stuff yep and so now they're being sort of warped by this space-time tear that is in this tick-tock that's just dominating it it'll be interesting to see what happens because they've done this before when snapchat did stories instagram swooped in and got stories and i've always said that that was like the most opportune time ever because snapchat did a full redesign and added stories and or they added stories then did a full redesign and as that redesign happened and people got mad at it instagram picked up stories and then they were like oh well i'm on instagram already i have stories i'm following the same people in here they're probably you know what they're probably doing they're probably hoping that this goes the way that went like snapchat was coming up because of this story thing and facebook slash meta instagram went oh yeah we could do that too and then they added it to their app and then people went oh well this is where i follow people already all my friends are here so i don't need to use snapchat stories anymore and they're probably hoping that people who are using tick tock will just go oh well i could just find all the stuff on this one app i already use and stop using tick tock probably not going to go the same way i don't think it's going to go the same way tick tock is just killing it right now it is just on the up and up there's it's got to be the most popular thing we were saying it's s tier right now and like i would as a user i would agree at test here it's the most fun i have in an app constantly to just like i use it often because i don't have to sit down and dedicate a ton of time to it i can sit down and dedicate it easily way too easily it's just it's what i want it's turn my brain off and just not have to have an attention span and just go through things and like you said it's not people i follow it's not people i care about keeping in touch with that's what instagram is and i hate that i'm losing that yeah as a creator i think you could argue that tick tock is also s tier but i think the argument against that would be monetization is not as obvious yes that's why you're still terrible still apex yes and people who blow up here's the here's the ultimate like people who blow up on tick tock want to become youtubers so tick tock can't be asked here youtube is the only steer platform as a creator yeah so i guess that means tick tock is a tier for creators can i say to add a third category in here for a second sure a small business on tick tock could be here totally asked here i've watched some videos from like all sorts of different there was recently this guy who builds these like wood creations of different like sports teams and stuff and he built one for a streamer nick mercs and just sent it to him nick showed it on screen and all of a sudden he's like i'm backed up for like six months and that's just because they found the tick tock video of him sending it to him and like now he's getting invited to baseball games and giving baseball players these wooden like structures or whatever he makes of their jerseys and like i you just see all these like different businesses and they can create these little communities and then those communities are posting and then you see the video only has a thousand likes but you can see the sales they're making are like insane it's it's fun to watch it's also really cringe to watch um the businesses that are specifically trying to go viral on tick tock yeah instead of just like interacting organically and if something picks up and catches then it just works that's what i've seen because i see a lot of them who are like all right we are joining tik tock with the explicit intent of going viral let's do it yeah and everything they post is just trying to like lean in and it's not a good time i agree totally i actually think it's the non-viral post that get the best stuff out of it um because like if you can just get into that like small community and like tick tock is so good at recommending things i i like got recommended this random like pre-workout guy who like just started a business making this pre-workout and he just like all he does is he's like i'm gonna tell you everything i'm doing trying to create this business and i follow this guy religiously now because it's just fun watching him create new things on it it's really interesting um yeah i don't know where we left off well we've got instagram we've got our tiers for that ticket talk we take talk we're pretty set as like s tier as a user a tier as a creator obviously on the come up doing massive numbers the most viewed thing i've ever watched or created is a tick tock and i've made zero dollars from tick tock if tick tock creator fun could get better it would be s t easy but it's still really bad now and hank green talks about that still a lot so if you want to follow that fall hand green um let's see i i have a hot take on snapchat here okay i think snapchat could be the closest thing the u.s has to a universal messaging system like i met imessage universal messaging system well it's multi-platform it's on ios and android it uh it has stories it has ephemeral messages it has chat it has picture messaging it has video calling calling the thing right now is the chat gets deleted after 24 hours i can save them if you you can save them but you would have to save everyone i think if it could default to saved chats so you and i we grew up with snapchat as the like oh look there's i saw a squirrel eating a slice of pizza on the ground over there i'm gonna take a picture that i don't care about and just send it because it's funny to a couple people yeah but the generation under us is like they're not giving up phone numbers they're giving out snapchat accounts and that's how people are i feel such like like old uh like a boomer here but like that is what's happening and i stopped using snapchat a lot because i thought it got annoying because there were just like too many groups i was a part of that was just like constant message like all i have now is just groups yeah i i stopped doing it i left all the groups i turned my notifications off and now recently i turned my notifications back on because i'm missing the just like this is a funny thing that's happening in my life right now and i want to send that to four other people i think that would think that's funny but i won't send for picture messages to do and i won't put it on my story because only the people i'm sending exactly yeah exactly so like i i but yeah it has video calling you can send pictures that don't get absolutely destroyed pictures and videos that don't get destroyed cross-platform so many people on iphone and android are using it i think as um we get older and the younger people start using it more it's going to get more and more popular and i think it might be the closest thing we have two sounds sounds like your tier is pretty high then if you put it in a tier as a user how high would you put snapchat then for me pers this is this is something that could happen i still it's that's a possibility snapchat's um b tier b tier yeah as a creator i mean there's snapchat shows and you can you have a public snapchat but like i at best like people aren't just finding or discovering it i think snapchat as a creator as far as like getting your stuff out there or monetizing has got to be deteriorated best yeah i would like to speak to someone younger than us and see how often they use it i hate the discover page on snapchat it's terrible it's the worst stuff i ever yeah i'm almost seeing it as like an app like not a social media platform as a messaging app at this point interesting um there's also twitter twitter has its own little vibe going on it's not being bought by elon anymore i guess this is our official yeah it's not being bought by elon that's why we never talked about it in the first place like that that was a pretty common outcome i think a lot of people saw so we never talked about it but um yeah what do you rate it as i think we like it more than a lot of other people do yeah it's interesting twitter is one of those things where if you're on twitter it seems like such a big deal but if you're not on twitter it's very easy to get all the same most of the same stuff elsewhere because it's like news headlines and then occasional like posts that go viral but that just get news articles written about them anyway and then like the occasional like surprising post from someone who isn't very accessible usually like someone some i don't know some celebrity will tweet something and you're just like oh that's a like an nba player will tweet about a game they're watching you're like that's cool that that's your thoughts in real time um but they're also doing all these weird things with like nft profile pictures well they're making twitter blue more expensive while as far as i know not adding anything to it which yeah has almost nothing to start with yeah and i guess if if you're a user you can just ignore that and still keep using twitter the same way you always did i like that uh the app you can use it's not chronological by default but you can very easily get a chrono chronological view either by using a third-party app or by switching it in the main app um so okay as a user i think twitter for me is actually i wanna i was gonna say a tier mine's really high personally and and uh but as a creator though uh it's really interesting i i do most of my social engagement with my audience right now for me personally on twitter yeah i see a lot of responses to videos i see a lot of video ideas i see a lot of commentary on other videos and people sending me stuff they think i would like i get tagged in things i respond to things waveform has a twitter we tweet from that we share things we make other people share i think twitter as a creator and this is also kind of unusual but i post videos on twitter too sometimes just like short videos and quick stuff i think for me it's also a tier twitter is also a tier i i can agree with that i think i think as the somebody who follows a creator it's asked here like it is the best chance they're gonna have actually having some sort of interaction with somebody that you could follow yeah um i do think the niches are very specific to twitter like very few like tech loves twitter nfts love twitter but i i know like some cooking channels that are huge on instagram and then i go to their twitter and i'm like is this like a personal account you've never touched or i know people who have 500 000 people on instagram and they'll have like 3 000 followers on twitter it's just like a lot there are a lot of people who don't use twitter at all yeah um and i think you're right it is probably out of like all the stuff instagram facebook whatever it's probably your best chance of interacting with some random connection yeah just like you said we read a lot of it because it's easy to just scroll through a lot of different suggestions and comments and recommendations and stuff yeah do you pay for twitter blue no i do would you i would potentially i would have thought about it previously if you took ads off completely yeah i think i'm gonna unsubscribe yeah i don't see a point for it i've had it for a couple months do you use anything with it do you even know you have it i i know i have it because every time i send a tweet it doesn't send it for 30 seconds while it does a little countdown timer does that everyone want to do this yes because it's it's buggy i'll like i'll i'll tweet something and i'll hit the tweet button and then it like shifts down and it turns gray and it starts the countdown timer and then i'm like actually i do want to undo that and then it disappears and i have to like go find it again in the next 30 seconds and then i see a notification pop up says your tweet's been sent i'm like i wanted to actually undo at that time yeah i i don't think twitter blue's very good and i will be retracting my subscription thank you very much later yeah um what else we got so we got facebook f tier garbage f tier but facebook used to be that's funny if facebook facebook used to be where your friends are so it was a tier because that's your actual friends and your actual connections sure and just for that reason yeah yeah but it's such a cluster now it sucks now that's just recommended garbage and ads and it's your oldest friends from high school it's your parents it's my family and facebook marketplace now that's what it is for me and even that is the most infuriating thing on facebook marketplace is i'm on this because it killed craigslist so i want to go on there and look for local things every time you search it defaults back to local and shipping and most of the recommendations are like ads for places like shipping furniture like i want to go find uh like a coffee table that somebody's getting rid of because i need a coffee table for way cheaper because they're ridiculously expensive but i don't want to buy one from across the country and pay for shipping on facebook marketplace like that's not what i'm looking to do yeah default it to local and let me keep that yeah yeah ellis brings up a good point there are groups so kind of like subreddits like you can have you can join a group and and sort of talk with like-minded people about a subject maybe that's your thing on facebook i don't know i don't really use facebook very much so i'm going to say for me as a user facebook is like a d tier it's not that great it sucks it's not f because it still works and it's still like i don't connect with any of those people on any other social and then as a creator it's awful it's terrible i i literally have to pay to get my post scene i hate that about it i'm saying f-tier as a creator sucks yeah sorry facebook but not sorry meta whatever yeah i'm going to wrap this up have you heard of be real i've heard of be real and maybe i should investigate a little bit do you want to explain it so i think like four of us attempted to use it in the office um i want to start this out to explain it okay basically you sign up for this account you and your friends at some point during the day will get a notification that says like take a picture of what you're doing random time random time okay um so in that time you have to take a picture and it takes you with your front and your back camera so you can see what you're looking at and what you look like in that scenario okay so i think that's actually a really good idea it feels like you're you remember beam right yeah i was gonna bring up beam because beam was all about you don't get the polish of like looking at what you captured and editing it and having a filter you just put your phone up to your chest and it would just capture whatever you're doing and that was it i i liked the thought behind that of like i don't want it to be polished but putting it against your chest means you could just like also potentially completely miss something or like the scenario of that happening is much harder where this is like work basically it lets you take the picture and then it'll you'll be late if you don't do it right away so you can kind of like cheat so like you have two minutes to do it you can at least take a nice picture you can't edit it a bunch and you also have to look at yourself so it's like it's that in the moment but at least you have the opportunity to get something that actually shows the moment you're in i like that a lot great school it is a cool idea everything else is so polished even in like instagram stories it's like you can just upload a file from your desktop like everything is so oh yeah yeah constructed that like i think people still want a very raw version of things with twitter you can sort of just dump your thoughts and text and that's kind of raw but i think be real maybe that's like a a sort of it's kind of what snapchat stories instagram stories used to be a long time ago i could kind of see that too yeah just a trash thing i'm gonna throw out does it does it live forever or does it disappear or is it it's actually a good question posed to a group here's why i might not know about that because if we're going to talk about not being polished that's what this whole app seems to be because it is a total mess it is okay it's awful i mean ios and android yeah we haven't used it in probably a month at this point so maybe some things have changed but all of us stopped using it because of how annoying it is to use it should be really simple it should be like here take your b-reel right now whatever you're doing i would i would come up into the like camera app inside it take a picture nothing would happen then all of a sudden it would just like nothing would happen i would swipe out of it and then i would look back and it posted a picture of like my face and like whatever was in front of me like and not in focus or like motion blur because it probably took it when i moved the phone after that it just came back completely freeze yeah um and like trying to go into other people's pictures and trying to leave comments and stuff basically everything that might not work had it didn't work at some point i think every button i pressed in that at some point broke it was awful i couldn't stand it so all of us have stopped using so it's a baby it's a very early app probably has too many users and it has too many bugs to fix and it's not very good it sounds like it's um getting better and it's it's getting popular i hear a lot of people using it but i've also heard a lot of people having a ton of being mentioned all right i'll let you put it in tears then um for a creator it doesn't feel very creator based at all which is why i like it so much idea atheir execution i mean like i don't think i could even put it as a c because i literally deleted it because it was so bad maybe i'll try it again but the problem is is now i have to convince all the people that also deleted it to try it again right because it's just your friends yeah right i'd say right now i bet the best it could be is c tier yeah that's really interesting i think we're finding that the the social networks that are most of your friends are an f tier for a creator and the social networks that are the least of your friends are are the highest tier for a creator that's an interest or well the ones that are getting good for creators are getting worse for your friends like instagram is is choosing a side right now and um i hate that so like if i'm putting youtube at the top of all this as a user for me youtube is either a tier or s tier depends on the day it's really good it recommends stuff all the time i'm subscribed to people and i can easily get to my subscriptions it shows me the subscriptions notifications work sometimes you know it's a tier for the most part it works and then as a creator uh hello it's s here it's pretty good it gets my videos out it it has recommendations they work pretty well everyone has different experiences with youtube they might say it's b tier or c tier but it's one of the best places to go if you are looking to be a creator period and uh that's because your friends aren't there well it's not because your friends aren't there that's what happens aren't there i have a hard time calling it social media in that aspect because it's like it's creator social media not like friends social media but it's still social media google plus was asked here for both you know i keep thinking about with be real by the way yeah the first person that figures out how to post polished pictures is gonna just go super viral the thing is is can you discover other people because isn't it your only ever in your like friend group yeah but that also happened with snapchat at the beginning true very people still went very viral very public snapchats yeah yeah i like the aspect of it like both you mentioned and now adam mentioned is like instagram and all these other things you can take pictures with dslrs that are super polished and do it you can't do that with b-reel right now so i like that a lot how long till that changes and then they decide they need to make money what happens first the app explode because it doesn't work um or does instagram steal it because now they just announced instagram duel which is the exact same thing shocker instagram copying something from another company how well this one works surprise surprise it's a lean team too lean no ipad apps really expect leaner than you'd expect we just copy things anyway okay well that's pretty much it i'm still standing on google plus being asked here for both and ultimately being yeah the best social media ever created until it eventually died um we should do one more trivia question and then take a quick break because we want to talk about a little bit of your tax addiction my toxic trait all right second trivia question so which social media app was released in 2011 and was originally called peek-a-boo after the break [Music] all right welcome back last little bit here i just wanted to just put something out there and see if anyone else can relate that's basically all i wanted to do um adam sparked a conversation in our slack today because there was a headline about a new camera a new calendar app coming out called daybridge and i don't know if you know this about me but i live in three apps and without them i would be a useless shell of a human and they are google calendar google tasks and google maps okay if you took those three apps or at least those three like functional things like a task app a maps app and a calendar app out of my life i would just be walking around like what am i doing i don't know what to do where am i what's happening so that's so that's me so i every every couple weeks i get the like urge to like you know how you change your wallpaper on your phone you just like spice it up a little bit and you're sort of like talking about start acting different you don't change your wallpaper i changed my for the first time in like three years and it's the exact same colors as my older looks like the same looks exactly yeah all right well i changed my wallpaper every couple weeks just to like feel something and that's kind of the way i feel like an urge to change um all three of these apps up i've used tictic which is my tasks app the longest in college i went through a phase where like once a week i would use a different tasks app remember the milk um just google tasks remember the milk rtm yeah remember the milk was a long that was the name of an app that sounds like an old app wunderlist google tasks there's a lot of these tasks app i've tried if you look at like if you just search in the top like google play results for tasks and look at the first like 20 i've probably used all 20 at some point okay um i've settled on tick tick it's really really good google calendar once you like live in google calendar long enough you have like a couple things set up you're subscribed to a few calendars like things are sort of like built in you can't really leave but the ui and the app itself is like it's okay it's fine yeah so i like trying other calendar and organizational apps that will like loop them all into one place and maybe look different give me some functionality um i just get non-stop ads on facebook and instagram now for other task calendar apps to like wrap them up i can't even remember the names of them anymore um so i just wanted to share that uh i am i am very susceptible to trying new organizational apps especially with tasks in calendar okay um and like you said you love tiktik yes um but you are open to ditching it at any point if you can find something literally if it just looks better if it just literally just has one feature tick tick doesn't have i'm like maybe i'll organize my life around this one feature uh okay possibly so let's dive into that a little bit like what you say just looks better do you think right now the ui on most of these are really bad and are you is it like ease of use is it just straight-up aesthetics like what what is your create your perfect calendar yeah yeah yeah okay well so calendar calendar is pretty straightforward it's just got to let me quickly and easily create events okay and then let me create them with my voice or just by typing them and then just put in all the information i know about them especially location because if it's just gonna tell me what the event is but not where it is it's useless so tell me where it is and when it is and what what it's called and i can be there um google calendar is pretty good i don't think it's the most visually appealing so i would like one that looks better and if they have any other a lot of these just have like cool features for like figuring out where your events are going to be like a lot of people will go hey you want to set up a meeting here just input your time somewhere in my calendar i think it's called calendly or something yeah yeah and it'll just like give you a bunch of slots and you can like in input your meeting time on their calendar like stuff like that google calendar doesn't let me do that so i always have to go back and forth on the tab and figure it out so i just look for cool features basically and then with tasks um i am constantly writing down what i have to do because if i don't write it down i will forget it and i will not do it so i have to write everything down so it's got to be quick to let me write things down and it's got to be quick to let me organize them and remind me to do the things and if i can somehow sort of associate it with a calendar so i know what i'm doing on what day that would be nice too but not all not all of them do that and then most of them are pretty ugly so that's sort of a shame okay uh one thing i was reading about this daybridge new thing and while most of the stuff they've talked about are future plans one thing i did like about it was it seemed like all of the different events and stuff on it could be essentially input as things that are more important and not as important like if you're expecting a package to come between nine and noon it would be like a more transparent thing on your calendar because when i look at your calendar on your computer i have an anxiety attack because it's just like 50 giant different colored bold bubbles and it it doesn't look like you have a free second for the next five years like it's it's terrifying so like having that little different aspect of like you know this is on this calendar for today but it might just be something i'm expecting and like to keep thinking about it's not i need to do yeah i'm looking at this now because i haven't i haven't had a shot to look at it like you're right like i i will put check into a hotel on my calendar yeah because when i get off the plane the first thing i need to do is uber to the hotel and where do i find that do i find the email what do i do so i just make an all-day calendar event for the days that i'm in the hotel and then i put the the the location in the calendar event for the hotel so i get off the plane and i open the calendar event so it'd be nice if it didn't take up a whole thing at the top with a calendar event but i still need to remember where to check into the hotel so they put it in this little transparent thing yeah that's cool i hate to be the bearer of bad news but right now all uh they've done daybridge has done is like make the calendar and then all these features are things they're working on so i'll try uh yeah it looks like it looks interesting but i do agree like tapping on my phone into like a google calendar app and having to scroll down just this like needlessly big box to get to something else at the bottom feels like really bad ui i don't love it um i have a question for you pretty though are you i saw an argument about this on uh actually i saw it on their subreddit because i guess i kind of know the answer but um are you the kind of person who puts take out the trash on your calendar i am okay so it is both on my tasks list and on my account is it okay it is a repeating task in my task list which is associated with uh i subs my town if you go to their website you can subscribe to a google calendar that's customized to what block you live on and when they do trash pickup so intense yeah i went to my town's website i found the the look up for like when trash is and it's like putting your address okay here's the block that you're on now do you want to subscribe to the recycling calendar or the trash calendar or both or the leaf pickup calendar i've subscribed to like six of them because they're the things that i need to know about and now they all show up in my google calendar yeah the calendar sounds terrifying it's so useful it's a fever dream um wait wait wait if you're subscribed to that when does it tell you to take out the trash i have a notification set to remind me 5 minutes before 10 minutes before the calendar yeah 10 minutes before they come oh my god but it's in the morning whenever you're too responsible mine goes the night before because it's a two-hour window because that's what i need that's what i do with tasks so with the task i told myself to take it out the night before but when i wake up and i get that notification saying that trash is going out in 10 minutes if i haven't already done it i'll do it but i did have to manually do the repeating tasks to remind myself to take things out if that were if there was a week where that was deleted like someone pranked you and deleted that would you take the trash no i would not even i would i would totally miss it i would see the pile getting bigger in my garage like that's weird and that would just leave that's not happening i have to say like wearing a smartwatch more and more often having the take the trash out thing come up on my watch has been amazing because most of the time i'll get home i'm going to go like make dinner do some stuff around the house so i put my phone down and then when i finally am like changed and i sit down and then i see at 9 30 take the trash out i'm like and i'm not the only reason why put my shoes on yes so getting it right at eight o'clock on my watch while i'm up doing things it's like well i gotta do this now so i don't have to take my shoes off and i don't have to like yeah yeah put a jacket on or anything yeah it's a lot i i really i map out my life in the calendar and there is no task too small to put in tasks like i reminded myself this morning to pack my frozen lunches to bring here because there is zero percent chance i forgot yesterday and then once i remembered yesterday i wrote it down and set a reminder for this morning so that when i was about to leave i got a reminder saying put your lunch in your bag i wouldn't have done it without that notification i don't want to admit this because i think you'll think less of me but the way i do small things like that is i just set alarms um so like a voice assistant you go remind me i don't even do it i just type it in the alarm for some reason oh so like like mine would be um if the night before i realized i want to bring something to work i set an alarm for right around when i'm about to leave which also means all of my alarms are named very well you have like dozens of alarms just like six right now okay so there's like wake up but right now i have one that's called advil i have one called david mouse because i think i had a mouse at home i wanted to bring for david oh you that's your task set i have one called vox because i was supposed to send vox something and i have another called zoom because i had to zoom in you need to try a task i wish i had some of the ones because sometimes it's like four or five things it'll be like um like dog food uh climbing shoes and like uh return to mail like that's just what my alarm will say at like 10 30. what does this mean i wrote this down along pretty much it's yeah you should try you should try tick tick just because like it's it's got it can be as simple or as complex as you want right like you can make it do everything like i do or you could just be like you could just hold it down because here's the other thing i really like i would like it to be better integrated into google assistant where i could open the assistant and go remind me to do remind me to get groceries at 6 p.m and it would put a task in my tasks app to do that i wish it did that yeah it doesn't it just does the calendar reminders right which what you can do is you can say set an alarm for 6 pm for groceries yeah and it will actually set an alarm in the clock app and it'll tell you to do groceries at 6 00 pm but i yeah so i have to do every time i have to go to the tasks app and it at least has the plus button yeah you can hold it down and it starts listening to your voice oh really talk to it and say remind me to do this and this so it's one extra step but i can kind of use my voice to make if i could somehow map that to android auto somewhere in my car because the the majority of the times i think of something i really need to say you can't write it are you ever driving and you're like 20 minutes from your destination you're like i need to do this when i get there and it's like i either need to write this down or i it's the only thing i can say in my mind for the next 20 minutes and then 10 minutes later you forget and then you get home later and realize like i knew i had to do that and i yes i i literally pick my phone up and try to put a task down as fast as possible that's all i can try to do i'm having i'm getting anxiety i think we need to do this trivia questions and wrap this up because i know somebody out there can relate there's definitely somebody in the comments section who's like i also live my entire life in three apps i'm also miserable i'm trying i'm really trying anyway um that's about it that's it for now but let's get into the trivia answers to the best of our ability [Music] all right so trivia question number one what was the first physical video format that was able to contain interactive special features multiple choice the options are a laserdisc b blu-ray or c dvd andrew gets the answer first so when you first said laserdisc that sounded right to me i'm a little worried that it's too early i think the multiple choice is actually messing me up here because i think i never like to pick the earliest or latest thing on a multiple choice so that scares me um but i'm going to go with laserdisc because i remember using them in school and i thought the teachers were able to do things off of it i am too young to remember what laserdisc there was very little from that i got to experience so just for that reason i have to pick dvd i'm worried you're right the answer is laserdisc enjoy your snapchat kid that is a laserdisc yeah i had to google it too yeah i didn't know they're like it's like it looks cool though right it's not small ellis knows things that i can only dream of blizzard they were used in school a lot oh yeah they're huge it's like a giant dvd literally 12 inches like that it's like a frisbee oh if i had seen that i would have picked it i i'm p it's the size for those for those who are like me who have never seen a laser disc imagine uh you probably know what a record is but it's it looks like a cd so it's a cd the size of a record oh my god that's incredible yeah of course that has the same features sure okay yeah i believe you it's worth noting also that that giant disc in the player would spin at up to 1800 rpm oh did that make sounds crazy that's awesome that make crazy sounds all right so we're all tied up marquez three andrew three who answers first tied oh that's a great question momentum swing you keep going maybe what's the what's the next question i forgot um it was a social media i'll i'll i got to go first on this one so i'll let you go first thing awesome okay yes we're working on a way to fix this it hasn't gotten here yet okay we're doing well which social media app was released in 2011 and was originally called peekaboo [Music] 2011 i was a senior in high school that was i was already on twitter it's not twitter peekaboo sounds like ephemeral messaging but snapchat already existed maybe it didn't peekaboo i don't think snapchat started as peekaboo though but it sounds like it doesn't it that would be my guess if i'm being honest i'm trying to sound like like a quick look at something it was like yesterday also disappears like snapchat disappears what if we go to get what if we both answer snapchat at the same time that's the only thing i can think of you don't have to answer differently than me but i think yeah yeah we both want the points we probably both have to see yeah i'm just saying like i think i would do that i think snapchat would be my guess i have a feeling i'm wrong because i feel like it was always snapchat but i can't think of anything else that had disappearing messages so i'm just gonna say snapchat oh it wasn't one of those weird what was the one we were talking yik yak right it wasn't something like that where it was like you can post something to a local region and oh i remember that i used to use like four square and check into locations remember those yeah i was a competitor with like an orange logo that i forgot the name of but that wasn't peek-a-boo i don't know now i'm just confused one of those things where you think of like social media as just like twitter instagram facebook and then you realize social media involves a vast majority of circles buzz google buzz remember ping actually you should probably guess it's a google service because that's your best because it doesn't exist anymore yeah ping was that was the music one in itunes that one didn't last very long circles and buzz didn't last very long google plus didn't last very long that was circles wait was the question originally called peek-a-boo yeah it was originally okay then i'm going snapchat because it's still the first name yeah let's do this i think it's snapchat snapchat all right wow so tied up at 4 4. yeah as you guys were talking i was like oh i got to keep a poker face got to keep poker face that's pretty solid okay peek-a-boo so they eventually renamed it to snapchat yeah cool better better better name much better name i wouldn't use peek-a-boo today that's for sure well that's about it uh again hopefully you can relate to my toxic trait but thanks for listening to the rest of the episode as well we appreciate you we'll be back next week we got a lot to talk about and like i said stay tuned we've got videos coming we've got a car that we're testing we've got tech timber is like a month away just just throwing that out there like it's all happening soon we have an event next week don't we yeah yeah samsung is going to show us some stuff samsung's always like gets the ball rolling so yeah yeah that's about that's about the the marker of the beginning of the end of our calendar you should see like yeah you don't look at your calendar after that it's nuts anyway we'll talk to you guys next week see you then peace waveform is produced by adam molina and ellis roven we are partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music was created by vayne sil thank you [Music] you

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