COUNTY, GEORGIA, FOR A TOTAL OF 91 FELONY CHARGES IF YOU ADD THEM ALL UP. IF YOU FACTOR ALL THIS LEGAL JEOPARDY, NOW THIS FELONY CONVICTION ON CANDIDATE TRUMP FOR 2024, HAS BEEN AN OPEN AND EVOLVING QUESTION WITH THE PUBLIC. THERE IS POLLING IN NOVEMBER, THE NEW YORK TIMES AND SENT A COLLEGE THAT SUGGESTED IF TRUMP WERE CONVICTED AND SENTENCED IN ANY ONE OF THESE CASES, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TRUMP VOTERS IN SWING STATES WOULD SWITCH THEIR SUPPORT FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN, ABOUT SIX POINTS OVERALL, CERTAINLY ENOUGH TO COST TRUMP AND ELECTION. AND EXIT POLLING FROM THE EARLY STAGES OF THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION, ANYWHERE FROM THREE AT 10 TO 4 IN 10 VOTERS IN IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, SOUTH CAROLINA SAID TRUMP BEING CONVICTED WOULD MEAN THAT HE WAS NOT FIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT. THAT WAS JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. AROUND THE SAME TIME, A POLL FROM BLOOMBERG IN THE MORNING CONSULT FOUND MORE THAN HALF OF REGISTERED VOTERS SAYING TRUMP WOULD LOSE THEIR VOTE IF HE WERE FOUND GUILTY OF A CRIME. WELL, NOW THAT TRUMP HAS BEEN CONVICTED AND CONVICTED 34 TIMES, WE ARE NO LONGER TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A HYPOTHETICAL. IT IS DOUBLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT POLLING VOTERS ABOUT A POSSIBLE FUTURE EVENT IS NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT. BUT BECAUSE THE NEWS GOT A SENSE OF TIMING, NEW POLL CONDUCTED IN MAY, AND RELEASED TODAY, YES, TODAY, ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL IN NEW YORK, WHICH MIGHT BE THE ONLY TRIAL, OF COURSE, TO START AND FINISH BEFORE THE ELECTION. THIS IS THE NEW NPR PBS POLL RELEASED TODAY. BUT BEFORE THE VERDICT, MOST VOTERS SAID A CONVICTION IN THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL WOULDN'T AFFECT THEIR VOTE, 67% SAYING IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE. OVERALL VOTERS, A CONVICTION MIGHT ACTUALLY BENEFIT TRUMP BY 15 POINTS, MOSTLY AMONG REPUBLICANS. THE PERCENTAGE OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO SAID THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO VOTE FOR TRUMP WAS DOWN TO 10%. PUT ALL THE THINGS TOGETHER, AND NPR'S OWN HEADLINE HERE, THEY SAY, QUOTE, TRUMP VERDICT WOULD LIKELY MOVE ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF VOTES. BUT IF RECENT ELECTIONS, OF COURSE, ARE ANY INDICATION, A SMALL NUMBER OF VOTES IN A FEW PLACES IS ALL YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE OUTCOME. JEN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS. VOTERS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PERSUADABLE VOTERS IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE VOTERS WHOSE VOTING BEHAVIOR MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY A CRIMINAL CONVICTION. >> AND, AS YOU SAY, IS VERY HARD TO TEST A HYPOTHETICAL. BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, SOME PEOPLE WHO SAID, YEAH, IT MIGHT MAKE LESS LIKELY, THIS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AND THEY MIGHT BE LIKE, NO, I STILL LIKE THAT GUY. THAT IS STILL POSSIBLE. THE OTHER PIECE THAT THAT IS VERY HARD TO MEASURE IN POLLS IS THE EMOTIONS OF IT. AND WHAT PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THE CHARACTER. BECAUSE SOME OF WHAT IS HARD TO MEASURE IS, DO PEOPLE LOOK AT HIM AND THINK, THERE'S TOO MUCH BAGGAGE? OR IF HE IS DOUBLING DOWN FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW AND SAYING THIS IS A SCREWED UP SYSTEM AND IT IS A RIGGED SYSTEM. >> GOT TO GET RID OF ALL THE JUDGES. >> HE IS ATTACKING THE JUDGE AND HIS FAMILY. ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THIS IS TOO MUCH? I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE. IT IS HARD TO MEASURE THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTE BY EMOTIONS AND HOW SOMEBODY MAKES YOU FEEL. >> I THINK THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING POINT ABOUT HOW HE WILL REACT TO IT AND WHAT THAT WILL DO TO HIS CAMPAIGNING ABILITY. BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A PROBLEM FOR HIM, THE OBSESSIVE JAN SIX LOST ELECTION GRIEVANCE, JUST AS AN ELECTION TOOL FOR PERSUADABLE VOTERS. HIM DOING LIKE LONG RIFFS ABOUT JUDGE MERCHAN I THINK IS NOT THAT EFFECTIVE. EVEN IF THE VERDICT DOESN'T MOVE PEOPLE, THE DEGREE TO WHICH HE OBSESSES ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY AND CONSISTENTLY AS HIS MAIN CAMPAIGN MESSAGE I THINK IS IMPOSSIBLE. >> THAT IS WHERE KIND OF THE MANTRA OF TRUMP, WHICH IS MY GRIEVANCES ARE YOUR GRIEVANCES. >> THEY CAN DO IT TO ME. >> LAUREN TRUMP, TODAY, WAS TWEETING OUT FROM HER FATHER-IN- LAW, SAYING THEY CAME AFTER ME BECAUSE I AM STANDING IN THE WAY OF THEM AND YOU, EFFECTIVELY. I AM PARAPHRASING AND THAT IS THE ANSWER, WAY FOR HIM TO TALK ABOUT HIS OWN TRAVAILS AND MAP THEM ONTO HIS SUPPORTERS. >> REPORTERS HAVE BEEN BUSTED FOR PAYING HUSH MONEY TO STARS. >> DONATE CATCH AND KILL. JUST SUPPRESS. >> WHO AMONGST US DON'T HAVE THE SKINS ALREADY LINED UP WITH DAVID PECKER? >> I AM HERE TO SERVE FOR YOU BUT THAT IS ONE WAY YOU CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT AND PRESUMABLY SOME PORTION OF THIS. >> I AM ALSO JUST REALLY CURIOUS AT A, ARE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT? JUST AS AN EMPIRICAL QUESTION, NOT EVEN DOESN'T MOVE PEOPLE OR NOT? MY SENSE WAS THAT, A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE ELECTORATE, PAYING VERY CAREFUL, CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS TRIAL. THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS WERE NOT. THAT THERE IS SOME UNIVERSAL VOTERS WHO DIDN'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT, AND WHO ARE GOING TO WAKE UP TOMORROW OR TODAY TO THE BANNER HEADLINES EVER, THIS WILL BE NEWS THAT WHEN YOU ASK AMERICANS A WEEK FROM NOW, HAVE YOU HEARD THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS CONVICTED OF MULTIPLE FELONIES, THEY WILL TELL YOU YES. THEY WILL KNOW THAT. AND I AM CURIOUS WHAT THAT DOES. WE DON'T KNOW. >> THERE WILL BE MONEY SPENT, REGARDLESS OF HOW THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN SPENDS THEIR MONEY ON ADS, OUTSIDE GROUPS WILL SPEND, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF MONEY SPENT, I WILL BET ON THIS. THE OTHER THING I THINK IS KIND OF LIKE INTERESTING TO WATCH HERE, IN TERMS OF WHAT TRUMP DOES OR WHAT HE SAYS, HE IS ADDICTED TO THAT ADORATION FROM HIS CORE BASE, RIGHT? AND HE KNOWS HIS CORE BASE LOVES THIS RETRIBUTION MESSAGE AND LOVES THIS MESSAGE OF I AM THE VICTIM. SO IT WOULD REQUIRE HIM HAVING SOME DISCIPLINE NOT TO SEEK THE ADULATION FROM THE CORE OF HIS BASE IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES. I FOUND ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS HE DID TODAY, ALL SORTS OF THINGS, IT WAS QUITE A DAY FOR HIM. WHEN HE WAS RETURNING TO HIS APARTMENT BUILDING, RIGHT? HE KIND OF TURNED AROUND AND LIFTED HIS FIST TO RAISE IT TO THE CAMERAS. >> THE TWO FISTS AT ONCE. >> IT MAY HAVE BEEN A SMART MOVE FOR A PHOTOGRAPH OR SOMETHING BUT IT WAS LIKE HE WAS STILL SEEKING SUPPORT OR CLAPPING FROM PEOPLE. >> I HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS MOMENT, FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE IT WAS WEIRD. HE DID THE ONE FIST AND THEN HE DID THE TWO THIS AND STARTED TO DO THE MOTION. SO HE WAS [ LAUGHTER ] IT WILL BE SOON. HE WAS OUTSIDE TRUMP TOWER AND THERE WERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE TRUMP TOWER, FROM OUR REPORTING, AS MUCH AS WE CAN TELL, THE REPUBLIC FACING REPORTING WE HAVE SEEN ON THIS, IT WAS A PRETTY HEALTHY MIX OF PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE TO GIVE HIM A ONE FINGER SALUTE AND SAY YOU HAVE JUST BEEN CONVICTED. AND A MIX OF SOME TRUMP SUPPORTERS, TOO. SO HE WALKED UP TO THEM, KNOWING THE CAMERAS WERE ON HIM, SORT OF PRETENDED LIKE THERE IS A BIG, DURING CROWD WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WERE GIVING HIM A BRONX CHEER, AS I SAID, A ONE FINGER SALUTE. HE WAS SORT OF CHEERING THE CROWD AGAINST HIM, KNOWING THAT THE CAMERAS WERE POINTING ONE WAY. >> WHICH IS KIND OF FASCINATING. AND THEN HE DID IT. >> HIS CROWDS HAVE NOT TURNED OUT TO PROTEST FOR HIM AT THE COURTHOUSE EXCEPT IN VERY SMALL NUMBERS. >> THAT BASE LOVES HIS MESSAGE NO MATTER WHAT. I WAS IN THE CORE BASE IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET HIM ELECTED. BEYOND THAT, HE IS SURROUNDED BY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WHO ARE WILLING TO IGNORE CONVICTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS LONG AS THEY GET THEIR THING. WHETHER IT IS THE NRA, WHETHER IT IS WHITE EVANGELICALS, WHETHER -- >> FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES. >> HEY, AM I STILL GETTING THE THING I NEED? IF I AM, I'M GOOD TO GO. >> THEY ALSO GOT THE COUNTEREXAMPLE SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM WITH MICHAEL COHEN, RIGHT? YOU CAN SHOW TRUMP ALL THE OBSEQUIOUS KISSING UP THAT YOU WILL, YOU CAN GIVE HIM ALL THE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS YOU WANT, YOU CAN SERVE THEM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A HIT TO YOUR REPUTATION FOR HIM AND YOU MIGHT THINK THAT YOU ARE DOING A TRANSACTIONAL THING WITH HIM BUT IF THE TRANSACTIONAL THING DOESN'T WORK FOR HIM IN THE END, IT IS NOT THE KEY IS GOING TO STAND BY YOU. >> ONE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MY SHOW YESTERDAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY SMART, WHICH IS ABOUT THE WAY THE ELECTORATE IS POLARIZING THE LONG LINES OF HIGH TRUST, LOW TRUST. WHAT IS THAT PEOPLE THAT SEEM THE LOWER LEVELS OF SOCIAL TRUST FOR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS AND TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS ARE MOVING RIGHT MENDIS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE LEAST LIKELY TO VOTE, THEY ARE SORT OF THE OUTER PERIMETER, THE MOST ALIENATED. AND THEY ARE POPULATION THAT BIDEN IS HAVING THE MOST TROUBLE WITH. AND I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE IS THAT FOLKS DON'T TRUST THE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH. WHICH IS THAT POPULATION WHERE YOU ARE SEEING, IN SOME WAYS, THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF HEMORRHAGING, THE POLLING BEING LIKE WHILE THE JURY OF HIS PEERS CONVICTED HIM MAY NOT BE THAT EFFECTIVE. HONESTLY, I THINK THAT IS A HUGE PART OF HOW EVERYONE IS THINKING. >> OUR FRIEND, ANDREW WEISSMAN, FORMER FBI COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN. ANDREW, AM I RIGHT TO BE ADVISED THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JEN PSAKI, BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS HAS UNIQUE QUESTIONS. >> I LOVE IT. >> I'M GOING TO FLIP THE SCRIPT. WHAT CHRIS IS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS, THIS WAS AN EXAMPLE, TODAY, OF WHAT JUDGES SAY ALL THE TIME ABOUT FAX AND LAW MATTER IN A COURT OF LAW. AND THAT, I THINK IS A MESSAGE THAT IT SEEMS TO BE JOE BIDEN'S MESSAGE, AS WELL. HE IS AN INSTITUTIONALIST AND WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE, HE WAS VERY MUCH ABOUT I WANT TO RESTORE FAITH IN THE INSTITUTIONS. IT IS ALSO NOT THE CASE THAT THIS VERDICT DIDN'T JUST APPEAR . IT IS BASED ON FACTS, MAINLY AS PEOPLE POINTED OUT, FROM LOYALISTS TO HIM. WHY IS THAT NOT THE MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE SORT OF JUMPING ON, EVEN IF I GET YOUR POINT, MAYBE NOT TODAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEEDED. BUT WHY IS THAT SORT OF A BIGGER DEAL? OR IS IT THEY DON'T NEED TO DO IT BECAUSE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO BELIEVE IN A FACTS AND THE LAW, SOMEBODY YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT. >> I THINK THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE BASE OF THE FOUNDATION OF THE MESSAGE, RIGHT? AND IF YOU'RE IN THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE DISCUSSING NOT TODAY, BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE DAY ALWAYS THAT HE IS DOWN, AS YOU SAY, WHERE HE DOESN'T DO ANY PUBLIC EVENT, THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS SON'S DEATH. BUT TOMORROW, THEY WILL BE DISCUSSING, HOW SHOULD WE FRAME THIS? AND ON EVERY LEVEL, WHAT SHOULD KARINE SAY FROM THE BRIEFING ROOM? WHAT SHOULD THE PRESIDENT SAY WHEN HE FINALLY ANSWERS THE QUESTION. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PREPARING AND DEBATE PREP FOR HOW THEY SHOULD ANSWER IT. TO YOUR POINT, ANDREW, I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN COMFORT SPACE, HE IS A DEFENDER OF THE RULE OF LAW, AND INSTITUTIONS, THAT IS COMFORT PLACE IS GOING TO BE THAT. IT IS THE DEFENSIVE DEMOCRACY, DEFENSE OF HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS, DEFENSE OF THE EVERYMAN, AS ALAN BRAGG SAID TODAY WHO WAS SITTING ON THE JURY. I THINK FOR THEM, YOU MAKE A CALCULATION ON THE PHASES AND THE STAGES OF IT SO TONIGHT WAS MORE A STATE FOR, THERE IS A CAMPAIGN STATEMENT THEY PUT OUT, IT WAS LONGER THAT, AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, TO ME I READ IT MORE AS A MESSAGE TO DEMOCRATS OUT THERE, TO SAY LIKE HEY, GUYS, THERE IS STILL A BIG CAMPAIGN TO BE FIGHTING AHEAD. THEY ARE GOING TO
