SUBMIT TO. AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK LAST TIME I RENEWED MY PASS PORT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE LAST FORM I FILLED OUT WHERE IT ASKED IF YOU'RE A FELON. MOST PEOPLE MINDLESSLY CHECK NO. HE HAS TO CHECK YES. TAKE ME THROUGH WHAT HE CAN AND CANNOT DO NOW THAT HE'S A FELON. >> THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, CAN HE POSSESS A GUN? ONCE HE IS A FELON, THERE IS A FEDERAL STATUTE THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO POSSESS A GUN. AS YOU NOTED, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO HIS BEING ABLE TO VOTE. THERE ACTUALLY -- IF HE GETS SOME SORT OF SENTENCING AT THE TIME HE IS SERVING IT, THAT MAY PRECLUDE HIM FROM VOTING WITH THE ANOMALY OF HE WANTS PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR HIM BUT HE WILL BE THE ONE PERSON WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR HIMSELF. OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON WHAT JUDGE MERCHAN DOES WHEN HE SENTENCES HIM. >> A BAN ON TRAVEL. >> THERE COULD BE. THAT'S UP TO THE JUDGE. >> THAT'S UP TO COUNTRIES. MANY COUNTRIES WON'T PERMIT HIM TO TRAVEL TO THEM UNDER THEIR RULES. >> WOW. >> THE OTHER IS HE'S GOING TO SUBMIT TO A REPORT. THERE WILL BE A PRE-SENTENCE REPORT. AND THAT PERSON IS GOING TO ASK HIM EVERYTHING ABOUT HIMS. HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS FINANCES, HIS BACKGROUND, AND WRITES UP -- >> WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? >> SO, THE JUDGE GETS A REPORT. BOTH SIDES WILL SEE IT. AND IT GIFS A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THE SENTENCE SHOULD BE. AND THAT IS BASED ON A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS. BUT IT INCLUDES WHO IS THE OFFENDER AND WHAT ARE THE OFFENSE CHARACTERISTICS. SO, REMORSE, RECIDIVISM. THE JUDGE HAS TO DECIDE KIND OF FINE SHOULD BE IMPOSED. TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL ABOUT THE DEFENDANT. BY THE WAY, THIS IS STANDARD FOR ANY DEFENDANT THAT THERE IS THIS PROCESS. AND HE WILL BE SUBJECTED TO THAT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S BECAUSE OF HIS CONDUCT. I MEAN, HE -- IT'S NOT BEING IMPOSED ON HIM. THIS IS -- HE MADE THE CHOICE. HE WAS GIVEN A TRIAL. AND THE JURY FOUND THAT HE DID IT. SO, ALL OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY DEFENDANT WHO HAS MADE A CHOICE, A POOR ONE, AND IS FOUND GUILTY IS SUBJECT TO THIS. >> WILL THE REPORT INFORM JUDGE MERCHAN'S -- WHETHER OR NOT PRISON TIME -- >> ABSOLUTELY, ABOUT PRISON TIME, ABOUT THE FINE. THE JUDGE DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW IT, THE SAME WAY THE JUDGE DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATE'S RECOMMENDATION OR THE DEFENDANT'S RECOMMENDATION. AND WITH JUDGE MERCHAN, YOU CAN BE SURE HE'S GOING TO MAKE HIS OWN DECISION. BUT ALL OF THAT IS INFORMATION THAT HE GETS. AND THE REASON FOR HAVING A SEPARATE BODY SO IT'S NOT JUST THE STATE OR THE DEFENSE IS THAT THERE'S AN ARM OF THE COURT THAT IS INDEPENDENT THAT IS GIVING THAT ANALYSIS, SO THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS HE GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION. BUT IT IS -- >> ALL I KEEP THINKING OF THOUGH IS, SO WHAT TRUMP IS GOING TO SHOW? THE GUY THAT TOLD FOX NEWS, I HATE FLIPPERS? OR THE GUY THAT WALKS AROUND AND TAKES THE MOCHA TEST IN FRONT OF ANY CAMERA? WHAT TRUMP IS GOING TO SHOW UP AND TAKE THIS INTERVIEW? >> HAPPY JULY 11th. THIS IS THE POINT WHERE EVERY LAWYER TELLS HIM, GO SHOW YOUR REMORSE. YOU'RE A CONVICT. HE'S NOT GOING TO. HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOMENT. >> WHAT IS THE STATE OF ACCEPTANCE OF HIS FATE ON TRUMP'S PART? >> TODAY WAS EVIDENCE OF THAT. I WAS IN THE ATRIUM AND THERE WAS ANYTHING BUT REMORSE. YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP -- >> WHAT WAS IT? >> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THIS WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS BRIMMING WITH CONFIDENCE OR ENTHUSIASM OR JOY. >> HE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT YESTERDAY? >> THAT IS NOT HOW I WOULD DESCRIBE DONALD TRUMP TODAY. >> WAS MELANIA THERE? >> MELANIA WAS NOT THERE. I IVANKA KA WAS NOT THERE. ERIC AND LAURA, THEY WERE STANDING OFF TO THE SIDE. LOOK, HE WAS JUST CONVICTED, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO, AND YOU DIDN'T SEE A LINEUP OF REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS. HE WAS THERE ISOLATED IN FRONT OF THOSE ELEVATOR DOORS. IT WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN EIGHT YEARS AGO DURING THE TRANSITION WHEN I WAS SITTING WATCHING THOSE ELEVATOR DOORS FOR HOURS AND HOURS, AS HE HAD PEOPLE GO UP AND MEET HIM AND GREET HIM UP ON THE 26th FLOOR. AND YOU SEE THOSE FOLKS THERE. WE'RE GUESSING MOST OF THEM WERE TRUMP ORGANIZATION EMPLOYEES BASED OFF OF THE WAY THEY WERE DRESSED AND WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING. THEY WERE THE LITTLE CHEER SQUAD. OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS MORE THAN 30 MINUTES OF HIM REFERRING TO THE BAD PEOPLE WHO DID THIS TO HIM, LASHING OUT AT MICHAEL COHEN BUT NOT BY NAME. WE CALL 2022 THE REVENGE TOUR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS LOOK LIKE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOW BEEN SULLIED REPEATEDLY BY THE JUSTICE SYSTEM FROM THE E. JEAN CARROLL DEFAMATION SUIT HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE $350 MILLION PENALTY COMING FROM THE JUDGING ENGORON IN THE CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL. FOR HIM, THIS IS JUST BLOW AFTER BLOW HERE. AND THIS IS NOT SOMEONE I'M USED TO SEEING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THIS MORNING. >> SUZANNE, YOU, AGAIN, SORT OF, SIT AT THIS INTERSECTION OF KNOWN FACT, RIGHT, THINGS THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE TRUE BECAUSE THERE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT ATTEST TO THEM, HIS TAXES, HIS TAX RETURNS, HIS INHERITED WEALTH, HIS CONVICTIONS. NOW HIS RAP SHEET SOMEONE OF THOSE THINGS. >> IT'S INCREDIBLE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. WE DON'T SAY HE'S A FELON. HE'S ALSO SEVERAL TIMES INDICTED. BUT THIS IS -- AND YOU THINK ABOUT -- I WAS JUST, SORT OF, PROCESSING YORK'S REACTION TODAY, NOT JUST THE PAPERS, GET ME THE PAPERS. THE PAPERS, THE PAPERS. BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE CITY AND JUST SEEING THE REACTION. I MEAN, HE'S A BOY FROM QUEENS, A LOCAL MAN CONVICTED. HE'S A FELON NOW. HE GREW UP IN THE CITY. AND JUST HOW HE HAS BEEN SO REJECTED BY IT. I MEAN, HIS FATHER WAS AN INCREDIBLE BUILDER IN THE OUTER BOROUGHS. AND DONALD TRUMP GREW UP WITH THIS. THIS IS A CITY HE IDENTIFIES WITH. HE'S AT TRUMP TOWER IN MANHATTAN. FOR THIS TO HAPPEN IN THAT TOWN, IT WAS, SORT OF, REJECTION. THAT WAS PART OF HOW I WAS SEEING IT. HAVING ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEW YORK COURT SYSTEM AND THE INCREDIBLE TRIALS THEY HAVE PUT ON AND THE ABILITY TO PROCESS THIS QUICK I WILL. THIS IS WHAT NEW YORK IS KNOWN FOR. IT WAS A DEFINITE NEW YORK MOMENT. >> A LITTLE DE NIRO ON THE SIDE. I'LL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD. I GUESS MY ENDURING QUESTION IS, TRUMP WENT TO WAR WITH THE RULE OF LAW LAST NIGHT, RIGHT? HE'S ATTACKING THE JUDGE. HE'S ATTACKING COHEN. BUT HE'S ATTACKING SOMETHING BIGGER. AND I THINK THE RULE OF LAW WAS ABLE TO FEND FOR ITSELF DURING A COURSE OF THE TRIAL. BUT WHO FENDS FOR IT IN THE AFTERMATH OF IT? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION IS ALL I WANT TO SAY. YES, YOU CAN SEE THE PROSPECT. AND IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE PROSPECT. IT WOULD BE A CATASTROPHIC PROSPECT THAT SOMEHOW THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM DEEPLY REJECTS THIS JUDGMENT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE LOOK TO THE RULE OF LAW FOR. WE LOOK FOR THE RULE OF LAW, YOU KNOW. IT'S FUNDAMENTAL, AS BIDEN SAYS, BUT NOT OMNIPRESENT. WHEN IT'S TIME, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT IT BE THERE TO RESPOND. AND IT WAS. AND THAT WASN'T CERTAIN, I THINK -- IT HASN'T BEEN FOR A COMBINATION OF BIZARRE LUCK AND BROWBEATING AND RAW POWER HAVE KEPT IT IN DOUBT. NOW WE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. HE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SCORES OF WAYS IN WHICH HIS LIFE IS AFFECTED AS A RESULT. BUT, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE FINAL SOCIAL ANSWER. IT'S THE FINAL LEGAL ANSWER. BUT IF WE'RE A CERTAIN KIND OF SOCIETY, THAT THERE BE THAT ANSWER GIVEN WITH CERTITUDE IS IN AND OF ITSELF N
